Donald Trump

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

Trump steaks
Trump water
Trump vodka
Trump University

yeah...quite a successful businessman.  

Trump is an absolute piece of shit.  

Oh jeez. he's a legitimately successful businessman. I can't see how anyone can dispute that. his casinos flopped, but even after that he's still worth millions.  

how can a guy be worth hundreds of millions and be considered a poor businessman?

Gern Blansten

tbergs said:

dignin said:

tbergs said:

I don't see what the concern is here. If a Trump supporter wants to come on this thread and state why they think things are going well they are free to do so. Yes, they will face rebuttals, that should be expected. There is also nothing stopping someone who is in agreement with his policies or actions to come on here and rebut anyone who thinks otherwise. I think the main reason you don't see it happen very often is because it is hard to speak for anything he does because of the terrible person he is. You might as well go to the Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein threads and try to proclaim the great things they did and see where that gets you as well. Terrible people may momentarily be able to hide or conceal their true self by doing something that seems great, but that should not allow their acts to be forgiven or forgotten unless they make a change and seek forgiveness through acknowledgement of their misdeeds.

Good point.

And just for the record, I don't think Trump has done anything even remotely great besides market himself and sell his con to 40% of the country.

Most of his "accomplishments" fell in his lap.  North Korea's testing facility destroyed itself.  Now they are using it as a way to get something from us and they will likely succeed.  They still know how to make a bomb and for all we know they have another underground site that is still functional.

The tax cuts are nice in part.  I don't disagree that we needed them for the middle class but there is no dispute that this was a major tax cut for the top 1%.

I don't think he deserves any consideration for the Nobel related to North Korea.  His twitter threats should put an end to any of that talk.

PJ_Soul

That whole testing facility theory is just that. A theory. And not a very good one. It seems more like one that American spun to make themselves feel better. The real story is more unsettling and doesn't at all suggest that the NK nuclear program collapsed because of that testing site issue. In fact, many experts have suggested that testing stops when the weapon has been perfected, and NK has certainly never suggested that their program is dead. Also, do people really believe that their entire nuclear program lived at one testing site?

rgambs

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Trump steaks
Trump water
Trump vodka
Trump University

yeah...quite a successful businessman.  

Trump is an absolute piece of shit.  

Oh jeez. he's a legitimately successful businessman. I can't see how anyone can dispute that. his casinos flopped, but even after that he's still worth millions.  

how can a guy be worth hundreds of millions and be considered a poor businessman?

No, he isn't.
His businesses all fail and he walks away rich, he's a top notch promoter of himself and a con man.

To your question, that's a very simplistic view.  
Everyone running the businesses walked away from Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers with hundreds of millions, are you saying they were good businessmen?  No, they were con men who got rich and destroyed businesses, at that they were successful for sure.
 When you drive business after business into the ground and walk away with money, when the only thing you've successfully sold is your name...yeah it's a pretty easy dispute.

rgambs

Filling your pockets with money is not business success, period.  
I suppose that's an unAmerican idea right now, the masses have watched enough TV with finance dopes like Trump parading wealth around that they've forgotten that America was born as a place of ingenuity and industriousness, where men and women built to build, not just stack bills in the vault.

my2hands

HughFreakingDillon said:

"DO YOU KNOW ANY GOOD NAZIS?" "(INSERT RACIST BY ASSOCIATION CLAIM HERE!)" are but a few of the shoutings I've seen on AMT. 

After torch carrying shield wielding nazi's invaded a progressive southern city, caused a riot, and murdered a protester... Donald Trump said there were "good people on both sides"... 

Defend that all you want... it was a horrific, moronic, and hateful thing to say... I was putting that out as just one example, out of thousands, that Trump is a piece of shit that should not be supported by anybody... let's see that happen in your country and then see what you say

But feel free to play the contrarian role, you're pretty good at it

HughFreakingDillon

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

"DO YOU KNOW ANY GOOD NAZIS?" "(INSERT RACIST BY ASSOCIATION CLAIM HERE!)" are but a few of the shoutings I've seen on AMT. 

After torch carrying shield wielding nazi's invaded a progressive southern city, caused a riot, and murdered a protester... Donald Trump said there were "good people on both sides"... 

Defend that all you want... it was a horrific, moronic, and hateful thing to say... I was putting that out as just one example, out of thousands, that Trump is a piece of shit that should not be supported by anybody... let's see that happen in your country and then see what you say

But feel free to play the contrarian role, you're pretty good at it

you just proved my point. I am not defening any fucking thing. trumps a fucking asshole and a terrible president. I was responding to people saying Trump supporters are welcome here. I countered that with what I have seen here. I have rarely seen anyone come here and support trump and get welcomed. they almost always get slaughtered and called names. tell me, though, how am I good at being a contrarian? I am simply stating how I see things here. 

RYME

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

dignin said:

tbergs said:

I don't see what the concern is here. If a Trump supporter wants to come on this thread and state why they think things are going well they are free to do so. Yes, they will face rebuttals, that should be expected. There is also nothing stopping someone who is in agreement with his policies or actions to come on here and rebut anyone who thinks otherwise. I think the main reason you don't see it happen very often is because it is hard to speak for anything he does because of the terrible person he is. You might as well go to the Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein threads and try to proclaim the great things they did and see where that gets you as well. Terrible people may momentarily be able to hide or conceal their true self by doing something that seems great, but that should not allow their acts to be forgiven or forgotten unless they make a change and seek forgiveness through acknowledgement of their misdeeds.

Good point.

And just for the record, I don't think Trump has done anything even remotely great besides market himself and sell his con to 40% of the country.

Most of his "accomplishments" fell in his lap.  North Korea's testing facility destroyed itself.  Now they are using it as a way to get something from us and they will likely succeed.  They still know how to make a bomb and for all we know they have another underground site that is still functional.

The tax cuts are nice in part.  I don't disagree that we needed them for the middle class but there is no dispute that this was a major tax cut for the top 1%.

I don't think he deserves any consideration for the Nobel related to North Korea.  His twitter threats should put an end to any of that talk.

How come no president prior never even came close to sitting down with North Korea?
Did that fall in his lap too or did some of his ideas actually work.  
Trump has been on quite a roll lately like it or lump it.

HughFreakingDillon

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

"DO YOU KNOW ANY GOOD NAZIS?" "(INSERT RACIST BY ASSOCIATION CLAIM HERE!)" are but a few of the shoutings I've seen on AMT. 

After torch carrying shield wielding nazi's invaded a progressive southern city, caused a riot, and murdered a protester... Donald Trump said there were "good people on both sides"... 

Defend that all you want... it was a horrific, moronic, and hateful thing to say... I was putting that out as just one example, out of thousands, that Trump is a piece of shit that should not be supported by anybody... let's see that happen in your country and then see what you say

But feel free to play the contrarian role, you're pretty good at it

and how predictable. I KNEW someone was going to accuse me of being a trump supporter or apologist or defender. just didn't think it would happen that fucking quick. 

what a joke. 

oftenreading

RYME said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

dignin said:

tbergs said:

I don't see what the concern is here. If a Trump supporter wants to come on this thread and state why they think things are going well they are free to do so. Yes, they will face rebuttals, that should be expected. There is also nothing stopping someone who is in agreement with his policies or actions to come on here and rebut anyone who thinks otherwise. I think the main reason you don't see it happen very often is because it is hard to speak for anything he does because of the terrible person he is. You might as well go to the Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein threads and try to proclaim the great things they did and see where that gets you as well. Terrible people may momentarily be able to hide or conceal their true self by doing something that seems great, but that should not allow their acts to be forgiven or forgotten unless they make a change and seek forgiveness through acknowledgement of their misdeeds.

Good point.

And just for the record, I don't think Trump has done anything even remotely great besides market himself and sell his con to 40% of the country.

Most of his "accomplishments" fell in his lap.  North Korea's testing facility destroyed itself.  Now they are using it as a way to get something from us and they will likely succeed.  They still know how to make a bomb and for all we know they have another underground site that is still functional.

The tax cuts are nice in part.  I don't disagree that we needed them for the middle class but there is no dispute that this was a major tax cut for the top 1%.

I don't think he deserves any consideration for the Nobel related to North Korea.  His twitter threats should put an end to any of that talk.

How come no president prior never even came close to sitting down with North Korea?
Did that fall in his lap too or did some of his ideas actually work.

Other presidents have been invited. Several, in fact. The others that have been invited declined to meet, after consideration of what the offer likely represented. Trump has agreed to meet, because he thinks highly of his negotiating powers, but it’s cettainly not correct to spin the offer as due to Trump’s diplomacy. 

PJ_Soul

Trump supporters get slaughtered here for a legitimate reason. It's just like if, say, a Harvey Weinstein supporter came along and went off about how great that guy is. Wouldn't that person deserve to get "slaughtered" for defending a serial sexual predator? Or what if someone came on here voicing support for, say, Hitler? Well, any Trump supporter is defending a serial sexual predator too, as well as a con man, a liar, someone who is tearing apart environmental protections, and someone who defends neo-Nazis and who fakes being religious. Why should anyone be expected to be cool with someone who defends all that? 

RYME

Like it or lump it Trump has been on a roll lately and his approval numbers are still climbing.

oftenreading

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

"DO YOU KNOW ANY GOOD NAZIS?" "(INSERT RACIST BY ASSOCIATION CLAIM HERE!)" are but a few of the shoutings I've seen on AMT. 

After torch carrying shield wielding nazi's invaded a progressive southern city, caused a riot, and murdered a protester... Donald Trump said there were "good people on both sides"... 

Defend that all you want... it was a horrific, moronic, and hateful thing to say... I was putting that out as just one example, out of thousands, that Trump is a piece of shit that should not be supported by anybody... let's see that happen in your country and then see what you say

But feel free to play the contrarian role, you're pretty good at it

and how predictable. I KNEW someone was going to accuse me of being a trump supporter or apologist or defender. just didn't think it would happen that fucking quick. 

what a joke. 

Except that’s not what happened. Reread the reply. 

HughFreakingDillon

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

"DO YOU KNOW ANY GOOD NAZIS?" "(INSERT RACIST BY ASSOCIATION CLAIM HERE!)" are but a few of the shoutings I've seen on AMT. 

After torch carrying shield wielding nazi's invaded a progressive southern city, caused a riot, and murdered a protester... Donald Trump said there were "good people on both sides"... 

Defend that all you want... it was a horrific, moronic, and hateful thing to say... I was putting that out as just one example, out of thousands, that Trump is a piece of shit that should not be supported by anybody... let's see that happen in your country and then see what you say

But feel free to play the contrarian role, you're pretty good at it

and how predictable. I KNEW someone was going to accuse me of being a trump supporter or apologist or defender. just didn't think it would happen that fucking quick. 

what a joke. 

Except that’s not what happened. Reread the reply. 

I quote "defend that all you want". I wasn't defending a goddamn thing. I agree with everything my2hands stated (except about me being some contrarian). But that's not what my point was. 

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

Trump supporters get slaughtered here for a legitimate reason. It's just like if, say, a Harvey Weinstein supporter came along and went off about how great that guy is. Wouldn't that person deserve to get "slaughtered" for defending a serial sexual predator? Or what if someone came on here voicing support for, say, Hitler? Well, any Trump supporter is defending a serial sexual predator too, as well as a con man, a liar, someone who is tearing apart environmental protections, and someone who defends neo-Nazis and who fakes being religious. Why should anyone be expected to be cool with someone who defends all that? 

no one said it wasn't legitimate. look at tbergs post, then gern's reply, etc.  the point being made was that trump supporters are more than welcome to come here with their views. my point, which all of you are subsequently making, is that they are not. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Trump supporters get slaughtered here for a legitimate reason. It's just like if, say, a Harvey Weinstein supporter came along and went off about how great that guy is. Wouldn't that person deserve to get "slaughtered" for defending a serial sexual predator? Or what if someone came on here voicing support for, say, Hitler? Well, any Trump supporter is defending a serial sexual predator too, as well as a con man, a liar, someone who is tearing apart environmental protections, and someone who defends neo-Nazis and who fakes being religious. Why should anyone be expected to be cool with someone who defends all that? 

no one said it wasn't legitimate. look at tbergs post, then gern's reply, etc.  the point being made was that trump supporters are more than welcome to come here with their views. my point, which all of you are subsequently making, is that they are not. 

You're doing your defensive thing again.
I know no one said it wasn't legitimate. I was making my own independent statement on the subject being discussed.

RYME

PJ_Soul said:

Trump supporters get slaughtered here for a legitimate reason. It's just like if, say, a Harvey Weinstein supporter came along and went off about how great that guy is. Wouldn't that person deserve to get "slaughtered" for defending a serial sexual predator? Or what if someone came on here voicing support for, say, Hitler? Well, any Trump supporter is defending a serial sexual predator too, as well as a con man, a liar, someone who is tearing apart environmental protections, and someone who defends neo-Nazis and who fakes being religious. Why should anyone be expected to be cool with someone who defends all that? 

HFD respectfully disagrees with a lot of what I say and that's fine.  The difference is that he's not an ass about it.  He states his position and moves on.  And he's more reasonable than most.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Trump supporters get slaughtered here for a legitimate reason. It's just like if, say, a Harvey Weinstein supporter came along and went off about how great that guy is. Wouldn't that person deserve to get "slaughtered" for defending a serial sexual predator? Or what if someone came on here voicing support for, say, Hitler? Well, any Trump supporter is defending a serial sexual predator too, as well as a con man, a liar, someone who is tearing apart environmental protections, and someone who defends neo-Nazis and who fakes being religious. Why should anyone be expected to be cool with someone who defends all that? 

no one said it wasn't legitimate. look at tbergs post, then gern's reply, etc.  the point being made was that trump supporters are more than welcome to come here with their views. my point, which all of you are subsequently making, is that they are not. 

You're doing your defensive thing again.
I know no one said it wasn't legitimate. I was making my own independent statement on the subject being discussed.

my defensive thing?

it was pretty obvious to me you were responding to my post. you even quoted the word "slaughtered", and then you finished with a question. 

The Juggler

RYME said:

Like it or lump it Trump has been on a roll lately and his approval numbers are still climbing.

haha....When you're at all time lows, there's really one way to go right? Hey look! He's now higher than Jimmy Carter!

(Btw--Rasmussen is down 4% in last couple weeks)

 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Trump supporters get slaughtered here for a legitimate reason. It's just like if, say, a Harvey Weinstein supporter came along and went off about how great that guy is. Wouldn't that person deserve to get "slaughtered" for defending a serial sexual predator? Or what if someone came on here voicing support for, say, Hitler? Well, any Trump supporter is defending a serial sexual predator too, as well as a con man, a liar, someone who is tearing apart environmental protections, and someone who defends neo-Nazis and who fakes being religious. Why should anyone be expected to be cool with someone who defends all that? 

no one said it wasn't legitimate. look at tbergs post, then gern's reply, etc.  the point being made was that trump supporters are more than welcome to come here with their views. my point, which all of you are subsequently making, is that they are not. 

You're doing your defensive thing again.
I know no one said it wasn't legitimate. I was making my own independent statement on the subject being discussed.

my defensive thing?

it was pretty obvious to me you were responding to my post. you even quoted the word "slaughtered", and then you finished with a question. 

I was using your term of slaughtered. I was not responding to your post in particular, or anyone's. I was commenting on the subject/conversation in general.