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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    The end of February...after all those trips to play golf.

    https://cpac.conservative.org/
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,379
    Dictator Trump. NOBODY should be ok with his recent comments. Nobody. Read the constitution you ignorant fuck. The President of the United States is not a king or dictator and does not have total authority 
    But but but he loves jesus and guns and hates foreigners and abortion and he owns libs
    Oh yeah. Sorry I forgot. That makes everything else ok. As long as he loves Jesus...
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    edited April 2020
    mace1229 said:
    So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?
    I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
    He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
    His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

    And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.
    Yo, he isn't.  He's a self absorbed douchebag who literally thinks he's ROYALTY.  After being IMPEACHED and let off the hook, he just over saw the stockmarket/toilet paper crash of 2020 combined with a global pandemic.

    https://youtu.be/kEe7_zgZbuI

    He's the worst.




    Post edited by ikiT on
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,851
    So people vote for Trump because other people are meanies?  
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,202
    Dictator Trump. NOBODY should be ok with his recent comments. Nobody. Read the constitution you ignorant fuck. The President of the United States is not a king or dictator and does not have total authority 
    But but but he loves jesus and guns and hates foreigners and abortion and he owns libs
    Is Christianity the only religion we’re allowed to mock? I’m the furthest thing from a religious person but I’m not sure any religion is ok to mock , no matter how odd their beliefs may be. I’m pretty sure if someone came  here mocking Muslims there’d be a problem. Is ok because a lot Republicans happen to be Christian? 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    edited April 2020
    tbergs said:
    mace1229 said:
    So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?
    I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
    He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
    His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

    And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.
    I guess feel free to vote for him again then. Character, leadership and public speaking are apparently not important as long as nothing really seems different for most Americans. 
    Never said I was voting for him again. I don’t want to vote for Biden or Trump. But a vote for a 3rd party is just for those who want the “I voted” sticker but still be able to say “I didn’t vote for him” when things go bad. So I really don’t know who to vote for. Maybe I’ll take the easy way out and vote 3rd party, but that really is just for people who want to cast blame and take no responsibility in my opinion.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    edited April 2020
    nicknyr15 said:
    Dictator Trump. NOBODY should be ok with his recent comments. Nobody. Read the constitution you ignorant fuck. The President of the United States is not a king or dictator and does not have total authority 
    But but but he loves jesus and guns and hates foreigners and abortion and he owns libs
    Is Christianity the only religion we’re allowed to mock? I’m the furthest thing from a religious person but I’m not sure any religion is ok to mock , no matter how odd their beliefs may be. I’m pretty sure if someone came  here mocking Muslims there’d be a problem. Is ok because a lot Republicans happen to be Christian? 
    Yeah, I don’t get it. You don’t have to scroll back far in any thread on the AMT to find people mocking Christianity. The irony about it is only those mocking it are the ones bringing it up. It’s so weird. 

    But you nailed it, Christians are associated with Republicans, so it’s okay to mock that faith. It’s one of the main deflections other than “well you listen to faux news.” But again, only one side ever brings up faux news too. I have never seen a single person say “I support Trump because Hannity said ....” but always “I disagree with you so you must be racist, listen to faux news and worship zombie Jesus.” Yeah, good argument. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    mace1229 said:
    So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?
    I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
    He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
    His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

    And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.
    I guess feel free to vote for him again then. Character, leadership and public speaking are apparently not important as long as nothing really seems different for most Americans. 
    Never said I was voting for him again. I don’t want to vote for Biden or Trump. But a vote for a 3rd party is just for those who want the “I voted” sticker but still be able to say “I didn’t vote for him” when things go bad.
    BTW Mace, last week you made a long post with some points and imploring someone to counter your points in a real discussion.  I did that, but you never replied.  
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Uh oh snowflake patrol is coming 'round again 🤣
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    mace1229 said:
    So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?
    I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
    He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
    His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

    And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.
    I'm not going to make fun of you or your religion. But I will say that the bolded part is a bit crazy to me. I'm not sure if you have been reading the posts, or the news, but Trump's inaction in February created a huge problem and many more deaths than we would have today. His inaction or inattention in January to Navarro's report and recommendation. The reports circulating in national security departments in December worrying about military personnel deployed in Asia. The disbanding of the critical national security pandemic response team. The shelving of a pandemic playbook written by people who learned hard lessons during the Ebola outbreak. Playing hot potato between various agencies with the national stockpile. Combine that with the mixed messaging (do we need to bring out dates and quotes again?) where he was telling everyone that we'd go from 15 to zero cases, or that is was like a flu, or that if you're sick go to work anyway, etc... The dates of his campaign rallies and golf trips that were plentiful during a time where his absolute focus should have been on the health of the citizens of the country. And the daily press briefings where he spends most of the time expounding on unfounded theories, or contradicting medical/health professionals or berating governors rather than focusing on the problem at hand. There simply isn't any way that ANY other president would have made so many missteps along the way or would have made this about themselves rather than the pandemic. So I have to disagree about as strongly as I possibly can with your assertion that he's doing as good a job as anyone else would have. My assertion is that it would be very difficult to find someone who could have done a worse job. I simply can't find any logic or reason in your opinion about Trump's handling of this pandemic. It is as if we are talking about a completely different person.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    nicknyr15 said:
    Dictator Trump. NOBODY should be ok with his recent comments. Nobody. Read the constitution you ignorant fuck. The President of the United States is not a king or dictator and does not have total authority 
    But but but he loves jesus and guns and hates foreigners and abortion and he owns libs
    Is Christianity the only religion we’re allowed to mock? I’m the furthest thing from a religious person but I’m not sure any religion is ok to mock , no matter how odd their beliefs may be. I’m pretty sure if someone came  here mocking Muslims there’d be a problem. Is ok because a lot Republicans happen to be Christian? 
    He's not mocking Christianity, he's mocking Trump voters who believe that Trump actually gives a shit about Christianity or Jesus.  Two Romans?  Happy Good Friday?
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    nicknyr15 said:
    Dictator Trump. NOBODY should be ok with his recent comments. Nobody. Read the constitution you ignorant fuck. The President of the United States is not a king or dictator and does not have total authority 
    But but but he loves jesus and guns and hates foreigners and abortion and he owns libs
    Is Christianity the only religion we’re allowed to mock? I’m the furthest thing from a religious person but I’m not sure any religion is ok to mock , no matter how odd their beliefs may be. I’m pretty sure if someone came  here mocking Muslims there’d be a problem. Is ok because a lot Republicans happen to be Christian? 
    always clean your own house first, before criticizing your neighbor's 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    mace1229 said:
    So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?
    I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
    He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
    His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

    And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.
    I guess feel free to vote for him again then. Character, leadership and public speaking are apparently not important as long as nothing really seems different for most Americans. 
    Never said I was voting for him again. I don’t want to vote for Biden or Trump. But a vote for a 3rd party is just for those who want the “I voted” sticker but still be able to say “I didn’t vote for him” when things go bad.
    BTW Mace, last week you made a long post with some points and imploring someone to counter your points in a real discussion.  I did that, but you never replied.  
    I read them. I didn’t have time to reply at the time, but no reply doesn’t mean I didn’t read it and didn’t give me things to think about.
    If I remember your post correctly I appreciate the response but I would disagree on the point of the media coverage. As biased as fox is (and they are) I still believe other outlets are just as biased. And this last week has shown more of that.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    mace1229 said:
    So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?
    I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
    He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
    His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

    And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.
    I guess feel free to vote for him again then. Character, leadership and public speaking are apparently not important as long as nothing really seems different for most Americans. 
    Never said I was voting for him again. I don’t want to vote for Biden or Trump. But a vote for a 3rd party is just for those who want the “I voted” sticker but still be able to say “I didn’t vote for him” when things go bad.
    BTW Mace, last week you made a long post with some points and imploring someone to counter your points in a real discussion.  I did that, but you never replied.  
    I read them. I didn’t have time to reply at the time, but no reply doesn’t mean I didn’t read it and didn’t give me things to think about.
    If I remember your post correctly I appreciate the response but I would disagree on the point of the media coverage. As biased as fox is (and they are) I still believe other outlets are just as biased. And this last week has shown more of that.
    I don't know that I addressed that point, but I"d be surprised if I stated the media isn't biased.  I say all the time that it is, and I don't expect it to be unbiased.  It's not the role of the press to serve as a neutral arbiter of information.  There was a brief window of time (I call it the Cronkite years) where that sort of became an expectation, but that time is long past.  
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,202
    rgambs said:
    Uh oh snowflake patrol is coming 'round again 🤣
    What?
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    jeffbr said:
    mace1229 said:
    So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?
    I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
    He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
    His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

    And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.
    I'm not going to make fun of you or your religion. But I will say that the bolded part is a bit crazy to me. I'm not sure if you have been reading the posts, or the news, but Trump's inaction in February created a huge problem and many more deaths than we would have today. His inaction or inattention in January to Navarro's report and recommendation. The reports circulating in national security departments in December worrying about military personnel deployed in Asia. The disbanding of the critical national security pandemic response team. The shelving of a pandemic playbook written by people who learned hard lessons during the Ebola outbreak. Playing hot potato between various agencies with the national stockpile. Combine that with the mixed messaging (do we need to bring out dates and quotes again?) where he was telling everyone that we'd go from 15 to zero cases, or that is was like a flu, or that if you're sick go to work anyway, etc... The dates of his campaign rallies and golf trips that were plentiful during a time where his absolute focus should have been on the health of the citizens of the country. And the daily press briefings where he spends most of the time expounding on unfounded theories, or contradicting medical/health professionals or berating governors rather than focusing on the problem at hand. There simply isn't any way that ANY other president would have made so many missteps along the way or would have made this about themselves rather than the pandemic. So I have to disagree about as strongly as I possibly can with your assertion that he's doing as good a job as anyone else would have. My assertion is that it would be very difficult to find someone who could have done a worse job. I simply can't find any logic or reason in your opinion about Trump's handling of this pandemic. It is as if we are talking about a completely different person.
    I think it’s easy to be a Monday morning QB and say we should have done X Y and Z. But at the time no one was suggesting social distancing or much else. We were told until the end of January this doesn’t transmit person to person. We were told later it wasn’t really that bad and we don’t need masks. Didn’t Dr Fauci yesterday even say that? I only watched a couple minutes of it but I remember him saying the same thing. The mayor of NYC as late as March 10 was telling people to go out and this is just a cold. So yeah, I don’t have any reason think think of Hilary was president she would have sounded big alarms early on. Nobody was, at least not here.
    Now I said  I don’t agree with a lot of the language Trump has used to describe it. I don’t know if that has a big factor or not though. But I just don’t see anyone else ordering shutdowns and stockpiling equipment in February when no one (WHO, CDC, etc) was suggesting it.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    rgambs said:
    Uh oh snowflake patrol is coming 'round again 🤣
    What do you mean?
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,202
    edited April 2020
    mace1229 said:
    jeffbr said:
    mace1229 said:
    So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?
    I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
    He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
    His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

    And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.
    I'm not going to make fun of you or your religion. But I will say that the bolded part is a bit crazy to me. I'm not sure if you have been reading the posts, or the news, but Trump's inaction in February created a huge problem and many more deaths than we would have today. His inaction or inattention in January to Navarro's report and recommendation. The reports circulating in national security departments in December worrying about military personnel deployed in Asia. The disbanding of the critical national security pandemic response team. The shelving of a pandemic playbook written by people who learned hard lessons during the Ebola outbreak. Playing hot potato between various agencies with the national stockpile. Combine that with the mixed messaging (do we need to bring out dates and quotes again?) where he was telling everyone that we'd go from 15 to zero cases, or that is was like a flu, or that if you're sick go to work anyway, etc... The dates of his campaign rallies and golf trips that were plentiful during a time where his absolute focus should have been on the health of the citizens of the country. And the daily press briefings where he spends most of the time expounding on unfounded theories, or contradicting medical/health professionals or berating governors rather than focusing on the problem at hand. There simply isn't any way that ANY other president would have made so many missteps along the way or would have made this about themselves rather than the pandemic. So I have to disagree about as strongly as I possibly can with your assertion that he's doing as good a job as anyone else would have. My assertion is that it would be very difficult to find someone who could have done a worse job. I simply can't find any logic or reason in your opinion about Trump's handling of this pandemic. It is as if we are talking about a completely different person.
    I think it’s easy to be a Monday morning QB and say we should have done X Y and Z. But at the time no one was suggesting social distancing or much else. We were told until the end of January this doesn’t transmit person to person. We were told later it wasn’t really that bad and we don’t need masks. Didn’t Dr Fauci yesterday even say that? I only watched a couple minutes of it but I remember him saying the same thing. The mayor of NYC as late as March 10 was telling people to go out and this is just a cold. So yeah, I don’t have any reason think think of Hilary was president she would have sounded big alarms early on. Nobody was, at least not here.
    Now I said  I don’t agree with a lot of the language Trump has used to describe it. I don’t know if that has a big factor or not though. But I just don’t see anyone else ordering shutdowns and stockpiling equipment in February when no one (WHO, CDC, etc) was suggesting it.
    I got this guys! Everyone chill


    **this is a Trump thread. The buck stops with him. If you want to complain about other people then start a thread PER person you want to talk about. Then we will come their and bring up Trump. 


    How’d I do? 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    edited April 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    mace1229 said:
    So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?
    I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
    He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
    His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

    And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.
    I guess feel free to vote for him again then. Character, leadership and public speaking are apparently not important as long as nothing really seems different for most Americans. 
    Never said I was voting for him again. I don’t want to vote for Biden or Trump. But a vote for a 3rd party is just for those who want the “I voted” sticker but still be able to say “I didn’t vote for him” when things go bad.
    BTW Mace, last week you made a long post with some points and imploring someone to counter your points in a real discussion.  I did that, but you never replied.  
    I read them. I didn’t have time to reply at the time, but no reply doesn’t mean I didn’t read it and didn’t give me things to think about.
    If I remember your post correctly I appreciate the response but I would disagree on the point of the media coverage. As biased as fox is (and they are) I still believe other outlets are just as biased. And this last week has shown more of that.
    I don't know that I addressed that point, but I"d be surprised if I stated the media isn't biased.  I say all the time that it is, and I don't expect it to be unbiased.  It's not the role of the press to serve as a neutral arbiter of information.  There was a brief window of time (I call it the Cronkite years) where that sort of became an expectation, but that time is long past.  
    Maybe I’m confusing yours with someone else’s. 2 weeks ago I cut my hand pretty bad and needed 5 stitches. About 3 or 4 days later I was experiencing chest pain. Pain was so bad I’d fall to the floor and not breath for 5-10 seconds. First dr told me it was probably covid, next dr told me to go to urgent care. At urgent care they told me it’s just heartburn and take Tums. Never had heartburn, but never thought it was that bad. 12 hours later it was hurting to even breath so I went to the ER. They ruled out many things and said I need to see a GI specialist. so talked to my dr. to get a GI referral and He told me it was shingles and wouldn’t give me a referral. At this point I haven’t slept for about 5 days and in the worse pain of my life. Not thinking I had shingles I went to another dr where he actually didn’t dismiss me. Turns out I took too much ibuprofen for my hand injury, usually on an empty stomach,  and probably tore my stomach lining.
    All that being said, I wasn’t really responding to many comments that week.
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    nicknyr15 said:
    mace1229 said:
    jeffbr said:
    mace1229 said:
    So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?
    I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
    He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
    His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

    And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.
    I'm not going to make fun of you or your religion. But I will say that the bolded part is a bit crazy to me. I'm not sure if you have been reading the posts, or the news, but Trump's inaction in February created a huge problem and many more deaths than we would have today. His inaction or inattention in January to Navarro's report and recommendation. The reports circulating in national security departments in December worrying about military personnel deployed in Asia. The disbanding of the critical national security pandemic response team. The shelving of a pandemic playbook written by people who learned hard lessons during the Ebola outbreak. Playing hot potato between various agencies with the national stockpile. Combine that with the mixed messaging (do we need to bring out dates and quotes again?) where he was telling everyone that we'd go from 15 to zero cases, or that is was like a flu, or that if you're sick go to work anyway, etc... The dates of his campaign rallies and golf trips that were plentiful during a time where his absolute focus should have been on the health of the citizens of the country. And the daily press briefings where he spends most of the time expounding on unfounded theories, or contradicting medical/health professionals or berating governors rather than focusing on the problem at hand. There simply isn't any way that ANY other president would have made so many missteps along the way or would have made this about themselves rather than the pandemic. So I have to disagree about as strongly as I possibly can with your assertion that he's doing as good a job as anyone else would have. My assertion is that it would be very difficult to find someone who could have done a worse job. I simply can't find any logic or reason in your opinion about Trump's handling of this pandemic. It is as if we are talking about a completely different person.
    I think it’s easy to be a Monday morning QB and say we should have done X Y and Z. But at the time no one was suggesting social distancing or much else. We were told until the end of January this doesn’t transmit person to person. We were told later it wasn’t really that bad and we don’t need masks. Didn’t Dr Fauci yesterday even say that? I only watched a couple minutes of it but I remember him saying the same thing. The mayor of NYC as late as March 10 was telling people to go out and this is just a cold. So yeah, I don’t have any reason think think of Hilary was president she would have sounded big alarms early on. Nobody was, at least not here.
    Now I said  I don’t agree with a lot of the language Trump has used to describe it. I don’t know if that has a big factor or not though. But I just don’t see anyone else ordering shutdowns and stockpiling equipment in February when no one (WHO, CDC, etc) was suggesting it.
    I got this guys! Everyone chill


    **this is a Trump thread. The buck stops with him. If you want to complain about other people then start a thread PER person you want to talk about. Then we will come their and bring up Trump. 


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    NOICE
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
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