Donald Trump

mrussel1

nicknyr15 said:

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?

I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.

I'm not going to make fun of you or your religion. But I will say that the bolded part is a bit crazy to me. I'm not sure if you have been reading the posts, or the news, but Trump's inaction in February created a huge problem and many more deaths than we would have today. His inaction or inattention in January to Navarro's report and recommendation. The reports circulating in national security departments in December worrying about military personnel deployed in Asia. The disbanding of the critical national security pandemic response team. The shelving of a pandemic playbook written by people who learned hard lessons during the Ebola outbreak. Playing hot potato between various agencies with the national stockpile. Combine that with the mixed messaging (do we need to bring out dates and quotes again?) where he was telling everyone that we'd go from 15 to zero cases, or that is was like a flu, or that if you're sick go to work anyway, etc... The dates of his campaign rallies and golf trips that were plentiful during a time where his absolute focus should have been on the health of the citizens of the country. And the daily press briefings where he spends most of the time expounding on unfounded theories, or contradicting medical/health professionals or berating governors rather than focusing on the problem at hand. There simply isn't any way that ANY other president would have made so many missteps along the way or would have made this about themselves rather than the pandemic. So I have to disagree about as strongly as I possibly can with your assertion that he's doing as good a job as anyone else would have. My assertion is that it would be very difficult to find someone who could have done a worse job. I simply can't find any logic or reason in your opinion about Trump's handling of this pandemic. It is as if we are talking about a completely different person.

I think it’s easy to be a Monday morning QB and say we should have done X Y and Z. But at the time no one was suggesting social distancing or much else. We were told until the end of January this doesn’t transmit person to person. We were told later it wasn’t really that bad and we don’t need masks. Didn’t Dr Fauci yesterday even say that? I only watched a couple minutes of it but I remember him saying the same thing. The mayor of NYC as late as March 10 was telling people to go out and this is just a cold. So yeah, I don’t have any reason think think of Hilary was president she would have sounded big alarms early on. Nobody was, at least not here.
Now I said  I don’t agree with a lot of the language Trump has used to describe it. I don’t know if that has a big factor or not though. But I just don’t see anyone else ordering shutdowns and stockpiling equipment in February when no one (WHO, CDC, etc) was suggesting it.

I got this guys! Everyone chill


**this is a Trump thread. The buck stops with him. If you want to complain about other people then start a thread PER person you want to talk about. Then we will come their and bring up Trump. 

How’d I do? 

You forgot the part where he had access to national security briefings that no one else did,  and the CDC was warning about how contagious this was.  Other than that important point,  you did great. 

ikiT

3 and half years of this shit.  on the regular.

He literally killed baseball.  He's a #dipshit.

nicknyr15

mrussel1 said:nicknyr15 said:

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?

I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.

I'm not going to make fun of you or your religion. But I will say that the bolded part is a bit crazy to me. I'm not sure if you have been reading the posts, or the news, but Trump's inaction in February created a huge problem and many more deaths than we would have today. His inaction or inattention in January to Navarro's report and recommendation. The reports circulating in national security departments in December worrying about military personnel deployed in Asia. The disbanding of the critical national security pandemic response team. The shelving of a pandemic playbook written by people who learned hard lessons during the Ebola outbreak. Playing hot potato between various agencies with the national stockpile. Combine that with the mixed messaging (do we need to bring out dates and quotes again?) where he was telling everyone that we'd go from 15 to zero cases, or that is was like a flu, or that if you're sick go to work anyway, etc... The dates of his campaign rallies and golf trips that were plentiful during a time where his absolute focus should have been on the health of the citizens of the country. And the daily press briefings where he spends most of the time expounding on unfounded theories, or contradicting medical/health professionals or berating governors rather than focusing on the problem at hand. There simply isn't any way that ANY other president would have made so many missteps along the way or would have made this about themselves rather than the pandemic. So I have to disagree about as strongly as I possibly can with your assertion that he's doing as good a job as anyone else would have. My assertion is that it would be very difficult to find someone who could have done a worse job. I simply can't find any logic or reason in your opinion about Trump's handling of this pandemic. It is as if we are talking about a completely different person.

I think it’s easy to be a Monday morning QB and say we should have done X Y and Z. But at the time no one was suggesting social distancing or much else. We were told until the end of January this doesn’t transmit person to person. We were told later it wasn’t really that bad and we don’t need masks. Didn’t Dr Fauci yesterday even say that? I only watched a couple minutes of it but I remember him saying the same thing. The mayor of NYC as late as March 10 was telling people to go out and this is just a cold. So yeah, I don’t have any reason think think of Hilary was president she would have sounded big alarms early on. Nobody was, at least not here.
Now I said  I don’t agree with a lot of the language Trump has used to describe it. I don’t know if that has a big factor or not though. But I just don’t see anyone else ordering shutdowns and stockpiling equipment in February when no one (WHO, CDC, etc) was suggesting it.

I got this guys! Everyone chill


**this is a Trump thread. The buck stops with him. If you want to complain about other people then start a thread PER person you want to talk about. Then we will come their and bring up Trump. 

How’d I do? 

You forgot the part where he had access to national security briefings that no one else did,  and the CDC was warning about how contagious this was.  Other than that important point,  you did great. 

. Nice! I’m learning. 

ikiT

Time means nothing.

This is from March 11th.

https://instagram.com/p/B9mDEV1JrVx/embed/

Ledbetterman10

Whatever happened to this website? It used to be so simple to copy post quotes from separate users, paste them in your own post, and respond to both. And you were able to remove the earliest posts in a quote thread if you wanted to shorten so posts didn't get to big. I've been around here for long-time and I've gotta say, things have gone downhill here technologically. It was all so easy. Now it's a shitshot. Thanks, Obama.  

Referring to Nicky's post above but it's not him. Quoting and whatnot really is a pain in the ass on this board and it wasn't always. 

mickeyrat

1 dead Roosevelt sailor.....  so far.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/04/13/sailor-carrier-theodore-roosevelt-dies-covid-19.html?ESRC=navy_200414.nl

jeffbr

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?

I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.

I'm not going to make fun of you or your religion. But I will say that the bolded part is a bit crazy to me. I'm not sure if you have been reading the posts, or the news, but Trump's inaction in February created a huge problem and many more deaths than we would have today. His inaction or inattention in January to Navarro's report and recommendation. The reports circulating in national security departments in December worrying about military personnel deployed in Asia. The disbanding of the critical national security pandemic response team. The shelving of a pandemic playbook written by people who learned hard lessons during the Ebola outbreak. Playing hot potato between various agencies with the national stockpile. Combine that with the mixed messaging (do we need to bring out dates and quotes again?) where he was telling everyone that we'd go from 15 to zero cases, or that is was like a flu, or that if you're sick go to work anyway, etc... The dates of his campaign rallies and golf trips that were plentiful during a time where his absolute focus should have been on the health of the citizens of the country. And the daily press briefings where he spends most of the time expounding on unfounded theories, or contradicting medical/health professionals or berating governors rather than focusing on the problem at hand. There simply isn't any way that ANY other president would have made so many missteps along the way or would have made this about themselves rather than the pandemic. So I have to disagree about as strongly as I possibly can with your assertion that he's doing as good a job as anyone else would have. My assertion is that it would be very difficult to find someone who could have done a worse job. I simply can't find any logic or reason in your opinion about Trump's handling of this pandemic. It is as if we are talking about a completely different person.

I think it’s easy to be a Monday morning QB and say we should have done X Y and Z. But at the time no one was suggesting social distancing or much else. We were told until the end of January this doesn’t transmit person to person. We were told later it wasn’t really that bad and we don’t need masks. Didn’t Dr Fauci yesterday even say that? I only watched a couple minutes of it but I remember him saying the same thing. The mayor of NYC as late as March 10 was telling people to go out and this is just a cold. So yeah, I don’t have any reason think think of Hilary was president she would have sounded big alarms early on. Nobody was, at least not here.
Now I said  I don’t agree with a lot of the language Trump has used to describe it. I don’t know if that has a big factor or not though. But I just don’t see anyone else ordering shutdowns and stockpiling equipment in February when no one (WHO, CDC, etc) was suggesting it.

OK, well I don't think we'll get anywhere if you ignore not only what he didn't do, but also what he did do. February would not have been the time to start worrying about the national stockpile. That is something that should have been maintained for the past several years. Trump likes to say he inherited a broken process (yet ignored the tabletop pandemic response that occurred during transition and shelved the playbook), and inherited a depleted stockpile. Well, if it was depleted when he got it in 2016, what in the holy hell was he doing for the last 3+ years? If I buy a business with inadequate stock or poor processes, I don't get to blame it on the previous owner of the business 3 years later. Any to suggest that any of the governors had the same level of information and intel as the president (who should be but doesn't read his daily briefings) is silly. Trump is supposed to be a leader, but offers no leadership. He told the governors it was up to them to shut things down (so they would take the blame for the hit to the economy) but is now telling them he has the absolute authority to open things up (so that he gets the credit). That doesn't fly. 

gimmesometruth27

i liked how fauci fell on his sword yesterday. 

he basically refuted the new york times article about the emails from the experts and walked back his comments that if we had gone into mitigating sooner we would have saved more lives. this is absolutely true, so why would he contradict himself and talk about how easy trump was to persuade to enact the distancing and shutting things down? i don't buy it for a second.

i watched this in real time and felt like we all got stabbed in the chest.

mrussel1

Ledbetterman10 said:

Whatever happened to this website? It used to be so simple to copy post quotes from separate users, paste them in your own post, and respond to both. And you were able to remove the earliest posts in a quote thread if you wanted to shorten so posts didn't get to big. I've been around here for long-time and I've gotta say, things have gone downhill here technologically. It was all so easy. Now it's a shitshot. Thanks, Obama.  

Referring to Nicky's post above but it's not him. Quoting and whatnot really is a pain in the ass on this board and it wasn't always. 

It was the DNC

Ledbetterman10

gimmesometruth27 said:

i liked how fauci fell on his sword yesterday. 

he basically refuted the new york times article about the emails from the experts and walked back his comments that if we had gone into mitigating sooner we would have saved more lives. this is absolutely true, so why would he contradict himself and talk about how easy trump was to persuade to enact the distancing and shutting things down? i don't buy it for a second.

i watched this in real time and felt like we all got stabbed in the chest.

Even early on, I was complaining that Fauci should be taking more of a stand against Trump. He's in a tough spot, as Trump spews bullshit and then Fauci has to talk next. I get that. But stuff like Trump pushing hydroxychloroquine as some miracle cure and Fauci hiding behind phrases like "That's an anecdotal thing" when what he's thinking is "Donald Trump is in no way qualified to prescribe medicine" rubbed me wrong. And I know someone might say: "Well...you can't ACTUALLY say that to TRUMP on national TV!" Well why the fuck not? When is anybody going to stand up to this guy? These are infectious disease experts. Medical scientists. It's a pandemic. What is Trump going to fire you? I'm sure being the leading researcher for HIV for the past two decades has paid well right? Be a martyr in the name of FACTS against this guy. 

Bentleyspop

mrussel1 said:

nicknyr15 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Abe Froman said:

Dictator Trump. NOBODY should be ok with his recent comments. Nobody. Read the constitution you ignorant fuck. The President of the United States is not a king or dictator and does not have total authority 

But but but he loves jesus and guns and hates foreigners and abortion and he owns libs

Is Christianity the only religion we’re allowed to mock? I’m the furthest thing from a religious person but I’m not sure any religion is ok to mock , no matter how odd their beliefs may be. I’m pretty sure if someone came  here mocking Muslims there’d be a problem. Is ok because a lot Republicans happen to be Christian? 

He's not mocking Christianity, he's mocking Trump voters who believe that Trump actually gives a shit about Christianity or Jesus.  Two Romans?  Happy Good Friday?

Good to see someone on here gets it

gimmesometruth27

Ledbetterman10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i liked how fauci fell on his sword yesterday. 

he basically refuted the new york times article about the emails from the experts and walked back his comments that if we had gone into mitigating sooner we would have saved more lives. this is absolutely true, so why would he contradict himself and talk about how easy trump was to persuade to enact the distancing and shutting things down? i don't buy it for a second.

i watched this in real time and felt like we all got stabbed in the chest.

Even early on, I was complaining that Fauci should be taking more of a stand against Trump. He's in a tough spot, as Trump spews bullshit and then Fauci has to talk next. I get that. But stuff like Trump pushing hydroxychloroquine as some miracle cure and Fauci hiding behind phrases like "That's an anecdotal thing" when what he's thinking is "Donald Trump is in no way qualified to prescribe medicine" rubbed me wrong. And I know someone might say: "Well...you can't ACTUALLY say that to TRUMP on national TV!" Well why the fuck not? When is anybody going to stand up to this guy? These are infectious disease experts. Medical scientists. It's a pandemic. What is Trump going to fire you? I'm sure being the leading researcher for HIV for the past two decades has paid well right? Be a martyr in the name of FACTS against this guy. 

i agree. let trump talk about steaks and my pillow. leave the real shit to the experts.

he is incredibly irresponsible the way he is pushing that medication with nobody to stop him. people have already died from taking it on their own.

mace1229

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?

I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.

I'm not going to make fun of you or your religion. But I will say that the bolded part is a bit crazy to me. I'm not sure if you have been reading the posts, or the news, but Trump's inaction in February created a huge problem and many more deaths than we would have today. His inaction or inattention in January to Navarro's report and recommendation. The reports circulating in national security departments in December worrying about military personnel deployed in Asia. The disbanding of the critical national security pandemic response team. The shelving of a pandemic playbook written by people who learned hard lessons during the Ebola outbreak. Playing hot potato between various agencies with the national stockpile. Combine that with the mixed messaging (do we need to bring out dates and quotes again?) where he was telling everyone that we'd go from 15 to zero cases, or that is was like a flu, or that if you're sick go to work anyway, etc... The dates of his campaign rallies and golf trips that were plentiful during a time where his absolute focus should have been on the health of the citizens of the country. And the daily press briefings where he spends most of the time expounding on unfounded theories, or contradicting medical/health professionals or berating governors rather than focusing on the problem at hand. There simply isn't any way that ANY other president would have made so many missteps along the way or would have made this about themselves rather than the pandemic. So I have to disagree about as strongly as I possibly can with your assertion that he's doing as good a job as anyone else would have. My assertion is that it would be very difficult to find someone who could have done a worse job. I simply can't find any logic or reason in your opinion about Trump's handling of this pandemic. It is as if we are talking about a completely different person.

I think it’s easy to be a Monday morning QB and say we should have done X Y and Z. But at the time no one was suggesting social distancing or much else. We were told until the end of January this doesn’t transmit person to person. We were told later it wasn’t really that bad and we don’t need masks. Didn’t Dr Fauci yesterday even say that? I only watched a couple minutes of it but I remember him saying the same thing. The mayor of NYC as late as March 10 was telling people to go out and this is just a cold. So yeah, I don’t have any reason think think of Hilary was president she would have sounded big alarms early on. Nobody was, at least not here.
Now I said  I don’t agree with a lot of the language Trump has used to describe it. I don’t know if that has a big factor or not though. But I just don’t see anyone else ordering shutdowns and stockpiling equipment in February when no one (WHO, CDC, etc) was suggesting it.

OK, well I don't think we'll get anywhere if you ignore not only what he didn't do, but also what he did do. February would not have been the time to start worrying about the national stockpile. That is something that should have been maintained for the past several years. Trump likes to say he inherited a broken process (yet ignored the tabletop pandemic response that occurred during transition and shelved the playbook), and inherited a depleted stockpile. Well, if it was depleted when he got it in 2016, what in the holy hell was he doing for the last 3+ years? If I buy a business with inadequate stock or poor processes, I don't get to blame it on the previous owner of the business 3 years later. Any to suggest that any of the governors had the same level of information and intel as the president (who should be but doesn't read his daily briefings) is silly. Trump is supposed to be a leader, but offers no leadership. He told the governors it was up to them to shut things down (so they would take the blame for the hit to the economy) but is now telling them he has the absolute authority to open things up (so that he gets the credit). That doesn't fly. 

I agree with this last part, he shouldn’t be arguing with governors about that. I think it makes him look childish and foolish. I said a few times his twitter and speeches are his weakest part. 
Should Trump have replenished the stockpile? Yeah probably. But I doubt anyone else would have either. Something we’ve been short on for 10+ years I doubt was on anyone’s radar.

Dr Fauci said he followed his timeline recommendations. So either you think he was lying (as much of the media is accusing him of today, but they loved him last week) or he’s telling the truth. I think he’s telling the truth,  no one was raising alarms in February. 

CM189191

Ledbetterman10 said:

Whatever happened to this website? It used to be so simple to copy post quotes from separate users, paste them in your own post, and respond to both. And you were able to remove the earliest posts in a quote thread if you wanted to shorten so posts didn't get to big. I've been around here for long-time and I've gotta say, things have gone downhill here technologically. It was all so easy. Now it's a shitshot. Thanks, Obama.  

Referring to Nicky's post above but it's not him. Quoting and whatnot really is a pain in the ass on this board and it wasn't always. 

operator error strikes again

jeffbr

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?

I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.

I'm not going to make fun of you or your religion. But I will say that the bolded part is a bit crazy to me. I'm not sure if you have been reading the posts, or the news, but Trump's inaction in February created a huge problem and many more deaths than we would have today. His inaction or inattention in January to Navarro's report and recommendation. The reports circulating in national security departments in December worrying about military personnel deployed in Asia. The disbanding of the critical national security pandemic response team. The shelving of a pandemic playbook written by people who learned hard lessons during the Ebola outbreak. Playing hot potato between various agencies with the national stockpile. Combine that with the mixed messaging (do we need to bring out dates and quotes again?) where he was telling everyone that we'd go from 15 to zero cases, or that is was like a flu, or that if you're sick go to work anyway, etc... The dates of his campaign rallies and golf trips that were plentiful during a time where his absolute focus should have been on the health of the citizens of the country. And the daily press briefings where he spends most of the time expounding on unfounded theories, or contradicting medical/health professionals or berating governors rather than focusing on the problem at hand. There simply isn't any way that ANY other president would have made so many missteps along the way or would have made this about themselves rather than the pandemic. So I have to disagree about as strongly as I possibly can with your assertion that he's doing as good a job as anyone else would have. My assertion is that it would be very difficult to find someone who could have done a worse job. I simply can't find any logic or reason in your opinion about Trump's handling of this pandemic. It is as if we are talking about a completely different person.

I think it’s easy to be a Monday morning QB and say we should have done X Y and Z. But at the time no one was suggesting social distancing or much else. We were told until the end of January this doesn’t transmit person to person. We were told later it wasn’t really that bad and we don’t need masks. Didn’t Dr Fauci yesterday even say that? I only watched a couple minutes of it but I remember him saying the same thing. The mayor of NYC as late as March 10 was telling people to go out and this is just a cold. So yeah, I don’t have any reason think think of Hilary was president she would have sounded big alarms early on. Nobody was, at least not here.
Now I said  I don’t agree with a lot of the language Trump has used to describe it. I don’t know if that has a big factor or not though. But I just don’t see anyone else ordering shutdowns and stockpiling equipment in February when no one (WHO, CDC, etc) was suggesting it.

OK, well I don't think we'll get anywhere if you ignore not only what he didn't do, but also what he did do. February would not have been the time to start worrying about the national stockpile. That is something that should have been maintained for the past several years. Trump likes to say he inherited a broken process (yet ignored the tabletop pandemic response that occurred during transition and shelved the playbook), and inherited a depleted stockpile. Well, if it was depleted when he got it in 2016, what in the holy hell was he doing for the last 3+ years? If I buy a business with inadequate stock or poor processes, I don't get to blame it on the previous owner of the business 3 years later. Any to suggest that any of the governors had the same level of information and intel as the president (who should be but doesn't read his daily briefings) is silly. Trump is supposed to be a leader, but offers no leadership. He told the governors it was up to them to shut things down (so they would take the blame for the hit to the economy) but is now telling them he has the absolute authority to open things up (so that he gets the credit). That doesn't fly. 

I agree with this last part, he shouldn’t be arguing with governors about that. I think it makes him look childish and foolish. I said a few times his twitter and speeches are his weakest part. 
Should Trump have replenished the stockpile? Yeah probably. But I doubt anyone else would have either. Something we’ve been short on for 10+ years I doubt was on anyone’s radar.

Dr Fauci said he followed his timeline recommendations. So either you think he was lying (as much of the media is accusing him of today, but they loved him last week) or he’s telling the truth. I think he’s telling the truth,  no one was raising alarms in February. 

When you say nobody was raising alarms in February, that simply isn't true. The first case in the US was in my state, and the CDC confirmed on Jan 20 that it was COVID-19. Toward the end of Feb all hell was breaking loose at a nursing home 20 minutes from my house. I know by Mar 1 I was done interacting with people. The first Seattle Sounders home game was Mar 1, and I wasn't taking chances. I have season tickets, but I decided I wasn't going to be in a group of 50,000 people risking it. I skipped March 8th as well, and as we know, things were shut down after that. But I can tell you there was definitely concern in my area in February. We were getting no direction from the feds, so our governor had to act on what info he had and started locking things down. Trump was still telling people it was nothing to worry about.

As far as Fauci, you brought up masks and the mixed messages there. Clearly the early guidelines (we don't need to wear masks) were because of two factors - they didn't fully understand the ease of transmission, and they wanted to make sure that healthcare workers were prioritized for masks. The change came after we understood the virulent nature of the virus. Conditions change, knowledge changes and advice should change along with it. What Fauci was doing yesterday was trying to keep his job, likely because he feels he can do more good and be of more service in his current position than he could by alienating Trump and getting shitcanned. So I don't blame Fauci for stroking Trump's ego a bit. It is clear that it is a job requirement for every single person in his administration.

CM189191

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?

I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.

I'm not going to make fun of you or your religion. But I will say that the bolded part is a bit crazy to me. I'm not sure if you have been reading the posts, or the news, but Trump's inaction in February created a huge problem and many more deaths than we would have today. His inaction or inattention in January to Navarro's report and recommendation. The reports circulating in national security departments in December worrying about military personnel deployed in Asia. The disbanding of the critical national security pandemic response team. The shelving of a pandemic playbook written by people who learned hard lessons during the Ebola outbreak. Playing hot potato between various agencies with the national stockpile. Combine that with the mixed messaging (do we need to bring out dates and quotes again?) where he was telling everyone that we'd go from 15 to zero cases, or that is was like a flu, or that if you're sick go to work anyway, etc... The dates of his campaign rallies and golf trips that were plentiful during a time where his absolute focus should have been on the health of the citizens of the country. And the daily press briefings where he spends most of the time expounding on unfounded theories, or contradicting medical/health professionals or berating governors rather than focusing on the problem at hand. There simply isn't any way that ANY other president would have made so many missteps along the way or would have made this about themselves rather than the pandemic. So I have to disagree about as strongly as I possibly can with your assertion that he's doing as good a job as anyone else would have. My assertion is that it would be very difficult to find someone who could have done a worse job. I simply can't find any logic or reason in your opinion about Trump's handling of this pandemic. It is as if we are talking about a completely different person.

I think it’s easy to be a Monday morning QB and say we should have done X Y and Z. But at the time no one was suggesting social distancing or much else. We were told until the end of January this doesn’t transmit person to person. We were told later it wasn’t really that bad and we don’t need masks. Didn’t Dr Fauci yesterday even say that? I only watched a couple minutes of it but I remember him saying the same thing. The mayor of NYC as late as March 10 was telling people to go out and this is just a cold. So yeah, I don’t have any reason think think of Hilary was president she would have sounded big alarms early on. Nobody was, at least not here.
Now I said  I don’t agree with a lot of the language Trump has used to describe it. I don’t know if that has a big factor or not though. But I just don’t see anyone else ordering shutdowns and stockpiling equipment in February when no one (WHO, CDC, etc) was suggesting it.

OK, well I don't think we'll get anywhere if you ignore not only what he didn't do, but also what he did do. February would not have been the time to start worrying about the national stockpile. That is something that should have been maintained for the past several years. Trump likes to say he inherited a broken process (yet ignored the tabletop pandemic response that occurred during transition and shelved the playbook), and inherited a depleted stockpile. Well, if it was depleted when he got it in 2016, what in the holy hell was he doing for the last 3+ years? If I buy a business with inadequate stock or poor processes, I don't get to blame it on the previous owner of the business 3 years later. Any to suggest that any of the governors had the same level of information and intel as the president (who should be but doesn't read his daily briefings) is silly. Trump is supposed to be a leader, but offers no leadership. He told the governors it was up to them to shut things down (so they would take the blame for the hit to the economy) but is now telling them he has the absolute authority to open things up (so that he gets the credit). That doesn't fly. 

I agree with this last part, he shouldn’t be arguing with governors about that. I think it makes him look childish and foolish. I said a few times his twitter and speeches are his weakest part. 
Should Trump have replenished the stockpile? Yeah probably. But I doubt anyone else would have either. Something we’ve been short on for 10+ years I doubt was on anyone’s radar.

Dr Fauci said he followed his timeline recommendations. So either you think he was lying (as much of the media is accusing him of today, but they loved him last week) or he’s telling the truth. I think he’s telling the truth,  no one was raising alarms in February. 

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1250165682110631942?s=19

josevolution

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?

I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.

I'm not going to make fun of you or your religion. But I will say that the bolded part is a bit crazy to me. I'm not sure if you have been reading the posts, or the news, but Trump's inaction in February created a huge problem and many more deaths than we would have today. His inaction or inattention in January to Navarro's report and recommendation. The reports circulating in national security departments in December worrying about military personnel deployed in Asia. The disbanding of the critical national security pandemic response team. The shelving of a pandemic playbook written by people who learned hard lessons during the Ebola outbreak. Playing hot potato between various agencies with the national stockpile. Combine that with the mixed messaging (do we need to bring out dates and quotes again?) where he was telling everyone that we'd go from 15 to zero cases, or that is was like a flu, or that if you're sick go to work anyway, etc... The dates of his campaign rallies and golf trips that were plentiful during a time where his absolute focus should have been on the health of the citizens of the country. And the daily press briefings where he spends most of the time expounding on unfounded theories, or contradicting medical/health professionals or berating governors rather than focusing on the problem at hand. There simply isn't any way that ANY other president would have made so many missteps along the way or would have made this about themselves rather than the pandemic. So I have to disagree about as strongly as I possibly can with your assertion that he's doing as good a job as anyone else would have. My assertion is that it would be very difficult to find someone who could have done a worse job. I simply can't find any logic or reason in your opinion about Trump's handling of this pandemic. It is as if we are talking about a completely different person.

I think it’s easy to be a Monday morning QB and say we should have done X Y and Z. But at the time no one was suggesting social distancing or much else. We were told until the end of January this doesn’t transmit person to person. We were told later it wasn’t really that bad and we don’t need masks. Didn’t Dr Fauci yesterday even say that? I only watched a couple minutes of it but I remember him saying the same thing. The mayor of NYC as late as March 10 was telling people to go out and this is just a cold. So yeah, I don’t have any reason think think of Hilary was president she would have sounded big alarms early on. Nobody was, at least not here.
Now I said  I don’t agree with a lot of the language Trump has used to describe it. I don’t know if that has a big factor or not though. But I just don’t see anyone else ordering shutdowns and stockpiling equipment in February when no one (WHO, CDC, etc) was suggesting it.

OK, well I don't think we'll get anywhere if you ignore not only what he didn't do, but also what he did do. February would not have been the time to start worrying about the national stockpile. That is something that should have been maintained for the past several years. Trump likes to say he inherited a broken process (yet ignored the tabletop pandemic response that occurred during transition and shelved the playbook), and inherited a depleted stockpile. Well, if it was depleted when he got it in 2016, what in the holy hell was he doing for the last 3+ years? If I buy a business with inadequate stock or poor processes, I don't get to blame it on the previous owner of the business 3 years later. Any to suggest that any of the governors had the same level of information and intel as the president (who should be but doesn't read his daily briefings) is silly. Trump is supposed to be a leader, but offers no leadership. He told the governors it was up to them to shut things down (so they would take the blame for the hit to the economy) but is now telling them he has the absolute authority to open things up (so that he gets the credit). That doesn't fly. 

I agree with this last part, he shouldn’t be arguing with governors about that. I think it makes him look childish and foolish. I said a few times his twitter and speeches are his weakest part. 
Should Trump have replenished the stockpile? Yeah probably. But I doubt anyone else would have either. Something we’ve been short on for 10+ years I doubt was on anyone’s radar.

Dr Fauci said he followed his timeline recommendations. So either you think he was lying (as much of the media is accusing him of today, but they loved him last week) or he’s telling the truth. I think he’s telling the truth,  no one was raising alarms in February. 

You still believing in him ok , how many died today? 

It only took you three yrs 

Halifax2TheMax

Team Trump Treason falling back on “had we done nothing, the numbers would be 1.6 or 2.2 million and I said cut it in half. And blah, blah, blah.........”

Some on here will fall for it because people still fall off of turnip carts, apparently.

Halifax2TheMax

Team Trump Treason threatens governors if they don’t do a good job by “coming down hard on them.” Tough guy Goodfella.

mace1229

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

So I watched Trump’s propaganda video from yesterday. Ridiculous time to air that. Save that crap for your twitter feed. But I’ll say one thing, both the NY and CA governors seem think Trump’s doing an okay job. Is it possible he is?

I think he’s doing as good of job as anyone else would have. Even Dr Fauci admits they were misled by China and gave bad advice for months because of that.
He could have done better, but I don’t think anyone would have made a drastic difference based off the knowledge we had. No one was suggesting a shut down in January and February. A stockpile of equipment wouldn’t have magically appeared, especially when China was using all they had.
His biggest error is how arrogant he is when he talks, I don’t like listening to him, but I’m not sure how big of a difference that makes.

And the replies that come (not from you) are going to show why I think Trump wins in 2020. You can’t question the Trump is terrible narrative without being called about 50 names and people making fun of your religion for it.

I'm not going to make fun of you or your religion. But I will say that the bolded part is a bit crazy to me. I'm not sure if you have been reading the posts, or the news, but Trump's inaction in February created a huge problem and many more deaths than we would have today. His inaction or inattention in January to Navarro's report and recommendation. The reports circulating in national security departments in December worrying about military personnel deployed in Asia. The disbanding of the critical national security pandemic response team. The shelving of a pandemic playbook written by people who learned hard lessons during the Ebola outbreak. Playing hot potato between various agencies with the national stockpile. Combine that with the mixed messaging (do we need to bring out dates and quotes again?) where he was telling everyone that we'd go from 15 to zero cases, or that is was like a flu, or that if you're sick go to work anyway, etc... The dates of his campaign rallies and golf trips that were plentiful during a time where his absolute focus should have been on the health of the citizens of the country. And the daily press briefings where he spends most of the time expounding on unfounded theories, or contradicting medical/health professionals or berating governors rather than focusing on the problem at hand. There simply isn't any way that ANY other president would have made so many missteps along the way or would have made this about themselves rather than the pandemic. So I have to disagree about as strongly as I possibly can with your assertion that he's doing as good a job as anyone else would have. My assertion is that it would be very difficult to find someone who could have done a worse job. I simply can't find any logic or reason in your opinion about Trump's handling of this pandemic. It is as if we are talking about a completely different person.

I think it’s easy to be a Monday morning QB and say we should have done X Y and Z. But at the time no one was suggesting social distancing or much else. We were told until the end of January this doesn’t transmit person to person. We were told later it wasn’t really that bad and we don’t need masks. Didn’t Dr Fauci yesterday even say that? I only watched a couple minutes of it but I remember him saying the same thing. The mayor of NYC as late as March 10 was telling people to go out and this is just a cold. So yeah, I don’t have any reason think think of Hilary was president she would have sounded big alarms early on. Nobody was, at least not here.
Now I said  I don’t agree with a lot of the language Trump has used to describe it. I don’t know if that has a big factor or not though. But I just don’t see anyone else ordering shutdowns and stockpiling equipment in February when no one (WHO, CDC, etc) was suggesting it.

OK, well I don't think we'll get anywhere if you ignore not only what he didn't do, but also what he did do. February would not have been the time to start worrying about the national stockpile. That is something that should have been maintained for the past several years. Trump likes to say he inherited a broken process (yet ignored the tabletop pandemic response that occurred during transition and shelved the playbook), and inherited a depleted stockpile. Well, if it was depleted when he got it in 2016, what in the holy hell was he doing for the last 3+ years? If I buy a business with inadequate stock or poor processes, I don't get to blame it on the previous owner of the business 3 years later. Any to suggest that any of the governors had the same level of information and intel as the president (who should be but doesn't read his daily briefings) is silly. Trump is supposed to be a leader, but offers no leadership. He told the governors it was up to them to shut things down (so they would take the blame for the hit to the economy) but is now telling them he has the absolute authority to open things up (so that he gets the credit). That doesn't fly. 

I agree with this last part, he shouldn’t be arguing with governors about that. I think it makes him look childish and foolish. I said a few times his twitter and speeches are his weakest part. 
Should Trump have replenished the stockpile? Yeah probably. But I doubt anyone else would have either. Something we’ve been short on for 10+ years I doubt was on anyone’s radar.

Dr Fauci said he followed his timeline recommendations. So either you think he was lying (as much of the media is accusing him of today, but they loved him last week) or he’s telling the truth. I think he’s telling the truth,  no one was raising alarms in February. 

You still believing in him ok , how many died today? 

It only took you three yrs 

I don’t always believe Trump. I believe Dr Fauci, yes. Do you have a reason why I shouldn’t trust him? Everyone has been praising him for weeks. Why the sudden change? Because he didn’t bash Trump yesterday we shouldn’t trust him anymore?