Donald Trump

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Oh

io!!!

Hang on there, Sloopy.  The tough part of the schedule is coming.  

mrussel1

Hi! said:

cincybearcat said:

Hi! said:

cincybearcat said:

Bentleyspop said:

The blood of the Kurdish men, women, and children is also on the hands of every single person who advises,  believes, supports, and votes for the dictator wannabe in the white house....

Retired Marine Gen. John Allen: 'There is blood on Trump's hands for abandoning our Kurdish allies' https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/13/politics/syria-marine-general-john-allen-trump/index.html

I can't believe this decision by trump at all.  Pathetic.  This decision makes the top 3 worst trump moves for me.

It’s maddening. Abandoning our allies, wtf?

It really makes no sense what so ever. Makes me angry and sad at the same time.  

Yeah, I’m all for doing what we can as far as drawing down troops and like to consider myself anti-war or whatever, but doesn’t make sense strategically, idk. It’s going to cause more bloodshed, not less. And Trump wants to talk shit about people who “got us into Iraq” or “they’ve been fighting for 200 years”, while sending more troops to our buddies in Saudi Arabia, yeah right. I wonder how many of our vets worked side by side with Kurdish forces at height of Iraq war.

You can't square these decisions using US interests as the north star.  They can only be squared if it's driven by dementia or Trump family interests.  I think we can guess what the answer really is.  

dignin

Kurdish forces backed by US strike deal with Syria's Assad, in major shift in 8-year war

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/14/middleeast/syria-turkey-kurds-civilians-isis-intl-hnk/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

This is going to be a giant mess. 

mrussel1

dignin said:

Kurdish forces backed by US strike deal with Syria's Assad, in major shift in 8-year war

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/14/middleeast/syria-turkey-kurds-civilians-isis-intl-hnk/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

This is going to be a giant mess. 

chalk that up to.. the enemy of my enemy is my friend.  

And yes, it's a giant mess.  We were the stabilizing force by just being planted there.  There was no imminent danger but now the region is de-stabilizing.  

dignin

mrussel1 said:

dignin said:

Kurdish forces backed by US strike deal with Syria's Assad, in major shift in 8-year war

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/14/middleeast/syria-turkey-kurds-civilians-isis-intl-hnk/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

This is going to be a giant mess. 

chalk that up to.. the enemy of my enemy is my friend.  

And yes, it's a giant mess.  We were the stabilizing force by just being planted there.  There was no imminent danger but now the region is de-stabilizing.  

Can't blame the Kurds after the US stabbed them in the back.

dignin

Interesting to read that this has put US troops in more danger for at least the short term as they essentially escape and retreat from battlefield.

The damage being done by this President is extraordinary.

mrussel1

dignin said:

mrussel1 said:

dignin said:

Kurdish forces backed by US strike deal with Syria's Assad, in major shift in 8-year war

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/14/middleeast/syria-turkey-kurds-civilians-isis-intl-hnk/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

This is going to be a giant mess. 

chalk that up to.. the enemy of my enemy is my friend.  

And yes, it's a giant mess.  We were the stabilizing force by just being planted there.  There was no imminent danger but now the region is de-stabilizing.  

Can't blame the Kurds after the US stabbed them in the back.

Not even a little bit.  If they joined forces with ISIS to fight Turkey, that would be rational too.  

dignin

Haha, well here you go. Apparently it's now the democrats fault Trump pulled out. Gotta hand it to the GOP, they sure are creative.


https://www.foxnews.com/media/syria-turkey-trump-impeachment-liz-cheney

Liz Cheney says Turkey's timing of Syria action was 'no accident' amid impeachment push

"What the Democrats are doing themselves to try to weaken this president is part of this. It was not an accident that the Turks chose this moment to roll across the border. The Democrats have got to pay very careful attention to the damage they're doing with the impeachment proceedings," the chair of the House Republican Conference told “Fox & Friends.”

ikiT

Northern Syria's taking a lot of civilian casualties.  I'm seeing pictures of kids. 
He really doesn't understand how things work.
#ITMFA 

ikiT

https://instagram.com/p/B3mX5Fdg6FX/embed/

ikiT

yeah he's gotta go...

Gern Blansten

dignin said:

Haha, well here you go. Apparently it's now the democrats fault Trump pulled out. Gotta hand it to the GOP, they sure are creative.


https://www.foxnews.com/media/syria-turkey-trump-impeachment-liz-cheney

Liz Cheney says Turkey's timing of Syria action was 'no accident' amid impeachment push

"What the Democrats are doing themselves to try to weaken this president is part of this. It was not an accident that the Turks chose this moment to roll across the border. The Democrats have got to pay very careful attention to the damage they're doing with the impeachment proceedings," the chair of the House Republican Conference told “Fox & Friends.”

You have to love that...attack the people trying to keep that orange fucker in line

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Bentleyspop said: moo

The blood of the Kurdish men, women, and children is also on the hands of every single person who advises,  believes, supports, and votes for the dictator wannabe in the white house....

Retired Marine Gen. John Allen: 'There is blood on Trump's hands for abandoning our Kurdish allies' https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/13/politics/syria-marine-general-john-allen-trump/index.html

I can't believe this decision by trump at all.  Pathetic.  This decision makes the top 3 worst trump moves for me.

What are the other two?

The first was ignoring all intel and not doing anything about Russian interference. Regardless if he was involved, his failure to address it at all was impeachable in my opinion as he is sworn to protect the USA from foreign adversaries.

The second worst one for me is the Ukraine (and now China) issue. Openly inviting foreign interference into elections.

Those 2 plus abandoning allies are easily the worst political failures of his presidency as each are horrific and enough to remove him from office. There are plenty of other policy issues I have. And inciting violence against immigrants and the press are way up there...probably 5 and 4 respectively due to the overall harm it can do.

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

dignin said:

Kurdish forces backed by US strike deal with Syria's Assad, in major shift in 8-year war

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/14/middleeast/syria-turkey-kurds-civilians-isis-intl-hnk/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

This is going to be a giant mess. 

chalk that up to.. the enemy of my enemy is my friend.  

And yes, it's a giant mess.  We were the stabilizing force by just being planted there.  There was no imminent danger but now the region is de-stabilizing.  

Should be interesting if trump starts any new property developments in Turkey before election day 

mrussel1

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Bentleyspop said: moo

The blood of the Kurdish men, women, and children is also on the hands of every single person who advises,  believes, supports, and votes for the dictator wannabe in the white house....

Retired Marine Gen. John Allen: 'There is blood on Trump's hands for abandoning our Kurdish allies' https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/13/politics/syria-marine-general-john-allen-trump/index.html

I can't believe this decision by trump at all.  Pathetic.  This decision makes the top 3 worst trump moves for me.

What are the other two?

The first was ignoring all intel and not doing anything about Russian interference. Regardless if he was involved, his failure to address it at all was impeachable in my opinion as he is sworn to protect the USA from foreign adversaries.

The second worst one for me is the Ukraine (and now China) issue. Openly inviting foreign interference into elections.

Those 2 plus abandoning allies are easily the worst political failures of his presidency as each are horrific and enough to remove him from office. There are plenty of other policy issues I have. And inciting violence against immigrants and the press are way up there...probably 5 and 4 respectively due to the overall harm it can do.

I put JCPOA pull out in my top 3.

cincybearcat

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Bentleyspop said: moo

The blood of the Kurdish men, women, and children is also on the hands of every single person who advises,  believes, supports, and votes for the dictator wannabe in the white house....

Retired Marine Gen. John Allen: 'There is blood on Trump's hands for abandoning our Kurdish allies' https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/13/politics/syria-marine-general-john-allen-trump/index.html

I can't believe this decision by trump at all.  Pathetic.  This decision makes the top 3 worst trump moves for me.

What are the other two?

The first was ignoring all intel and not doing anything about Russian interference. Regardless if he was involved, his failure to address it at all was impeachable in my opinion as he is sworn to protect the USA from foreign adversaries.

The second worst one for me is the Ukraine (and now China) issue. Openly inviting foreign interference into elections.

Those 2 plus abandoning allies are easily the worst political failures of his presidency as each are horrific and enough to remove him from office. There are plenty of other policy issues I have. And inciting violence against immigrants and the press are way up there...probably 5 and 4 respectively due to the overall harm it can do.

I put JCPOA pull out in my top 3.

I can see that.

tbergs

Gern Blansten said:

dignin said:

Haha, well here you go. Apparently it's now the democrats fault Trump pulled out. Gotta hand it to the GOP, they sure are creative.


https://www.foxnews.com/media/syria-turkey-trump-impeachment-liz-cheney

Liz Cheney says Turkey's timing of Syria action was 'no accident' amid impeachment push

"What the Democrats are doing themselves to try to weaken this president is part of this. It was not an accident that the Turks chose this moment to roll across the border. The Democrats have got to pay very careful attention to the damage they're doing with the impeachment proceedings," the chair of the House Republican Conference told “Fox & Friends.”

You have to love that...attack the people trying to keep that orange fucker in line

Can we as a country learn to stop supporting the children of terrible people and allowing them to gain power in Washington? Dick fucking Cheney's daughter for god's sake. He needs to die soon before she gets assigned a cabinet position or run for president herself. There should be a ban from office on any Cheney or Bush moving forward.

ikiT

Rep. Matt Gaetz, a Florida Republican on the Judiciary Committee, said he was kicked out of this morning's hearing with Fiona Hill.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-14-2019/h_d17d7000d801575575597ad603c46d2c

mickeyrat

ikiT said:

Rep. Matt Gaetz, a Florida Republican on the Judiciary Committee, said he was kicked out of this morning's hearing with Fiona Hill.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-14-2019/h_d17d7000d801575575597ad603c46d2c

read about it. from him. seemed above board to me him being ejected as it was parliamentarian decision. just an excuse to distract from the fact they have ZERO to say in defense of trump in this.

ikiT

He's a real class act, Gaetz.