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  • Hi!
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    mcgruff10 said:
    fingers crossed:
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-drop-2020-race-within-130200417.html

    Trump to drop out of 2020 race within months, former aide Scaramucci claims


    Donald Trump will quit the 2020 race and not seek re-election, according to a former top aide.

    Anthony Scaramucci, the short-lived White House communications director, said the president will likelu quit the race in March to avoid the humiliation of defeat.

    “He’s gonna drop out of the race because it’s gonna become very clear. Okay, it’ll be March of 2020. He’ll likely drop out by March of 2020. It’s gonna become very clear that it’s impossible for him to win,” he said in an interview with Vanity Fair.

    “He’s got the self-worth in terms of his self-esteem of a small pigeon. It’s a very small pigeon. And so you think this guy’s gonna look at those poll numbers and say — he’s not gonna be able to handle that humiliation.”

    He also encouraged a primary challenger to take on Mr Trump, using a Game of Thrones analogy to make his case.

    “You know, this is like ‘Game of Thrones.’ We need an Arya Stark, okay? We gotta take this guy out because this is like the Night King.

    “The minute the Night King is vaporised, all the zombies are gonna fall by the wayside, right? We had the Wicked Witch of the West, but he is the Wicked Witch of the West Wing. We gotta get some water thrown on him. He’ll start melting.”

    In recent weeks, Scaramucci has escalated the feud with his old boss, saying Mr Trump would eventually “turn” on the “entire country”, and likening him to the Chernobyl nuclear disaster.

    I’ll keep my fingers crossed as well, but I don’t believe anything this dude says. He’s basically a celebrity now and I feel like everything he says and does is an attempt at saving face for his complicity.

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  • OnWis97
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    If he drops out, we’ll get our first woman president...Ivanka 
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  • dignin
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    mcgruff10 said:
    fingers crossed:
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-drop-2020-race-within-130200417.html

    Trump to drop out of 2020 race within months, former aide Scaramucci claims


    Donald Trump will quit the 2020 race and not seek re-election, according to a former top aide.

    Anthony Scaramucci, the short-lived White House communications director, said the president will likelu quit the race in March to avoid the humiliation of defeat.

    “He’s gonna drop out of the race because it’s gonna become very clear. Okay, it’ll be March of 2020. He’ll likely drop out by March of 2020. It’s gonna become very clear that it’s impossible for him to win,” he said in an interview with Vanity Fair.

    “He’s got the self-worth in terms of his self-esteem of a small pigeon. It’s a very small pigeon. And so you think this guy’s gonna look at those poll numbers and say — he’s not gonna be able to handle that humiliation.”

    He also encouraged a primary challenger to take on Mr Trump, using a Game of Thrones analogy to make his case.

    “You know, this is like ‘Game of Thrones.’ We need an Arya Stark, okay? We gotta take this guy out because this is like the Night King.

    “The minute the Night King is vaporised, all the zombies are gonna fall by the wayside, right? We had the Wicked Witch of the West, but he is the Wicked Witch of the West Wing. We gotta get some water thrown on him. He’ll start melting.”

    In recent weeks, Scaramucci has escalated the feud with his old boss, saying Mr Trump would eventually “turn” on the “entire country”, and likening him to the Chernobyl nuclear disaster.

    People said the same shit in 2016.

    The Mooch is just saying this to stay in the news cycle, fuck him.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,149
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    fingers crossed:
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-drop-2020-race-within-130200417.html

    Trump to drop out of 2020 race within months, former aide Scaramucci claims


    Donald Trump will quit the 2020 race and not seek re-election, according to a former top aide.

    Anthony Scaramucci, the short-lived White House communications director, said the president will likelu quit the race in March to avoid the humiliation of defeat.

    “He’s gonna drop out of the race because it’s gonna become very clear. Okay, it’ll be March of 2020. He’ll likely drop out by March of 2020. It’s gonna become very clear that it’s impossible for him to win,” he said in an interview with Vanity Fair.

    “He’s got the self-worth in terms of his self-esteem of a small pigeon. It’s a very small pigeon. And so you think this guy’s gonna look at those poll numbers and say — he’s not gonna be able to handle that humiliation.”

    He also encouraged a primary challenger to take on Mr Trump, using a Game of Thrones analogy to make his case.

    “You know, this is like ‘Game of Thrones.’ We need an Arya Stark, okay? We gotta take this guy out because this is like the Night King.

    “The minute the Night King is vaporised, all the zombies are gonna fall by the wayside, right? We had the Wicked Witch of the West, but he is the Wicked Witch of the West Wing. We gotta get some water thrown on him. He’ll start melting.”

    In recent weeks, Scaramucci has escalated the feud with his old boss, saying Mr Trump would eventually “turn” on the “entire country”, and likening him to the Chernobyl nuclear disaster.

    People said the same shit in 2016.

    The Mooch is just saying this to stay in the news cycle, fuck him.
    Fuck everyone who’s worked for or working for Team Trump Treason. I hope they all become unemployable and fade into obscurity or prison after this nightmare of an administration ends.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJ_Soul said:

    The union person was fine with it. 


    “This is just what Shell wanted to do and we went along with it,” Ken Broadbent, business manager for Steamfitters Local 449, told the newspaper. He said he wouldn’t “bad rap” the situation.

    “We’re glad to have the jobs. We’re glad to have the project built,” he said. “The president is the president whether we like him or dislike him. We respect him for the title.”

    America
    Everyone involved in that fascist move should fired. Including Trump. I am in a union, and if they tried to pull this, everyone would have shown up with fucking torches and pitchforks. And the Laboir board would have been on the company like a rabid pitbull. The fact that the workers actually felt cowed enough to tolerate this, and that the union rep actually felt like this was an option, definitely does speak volumes about where America is right now, both politically and in terms of workers' rights. Absolutely disgusting. Fascism has arrived in the USA.
    You must be operating under your own special definition of fascism.  As much as I hate Trump, this isn't fascism.  If the plant is closed, why would one be paid for not being onsite? That's part of the union contract. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    The union person was fine with it. 


    “This is just what Shell wanted to do and we went along with it,” Ken Broadbent, business manager for Steamfitters Local 449, told the newspaper. He said he wouldn’t “bad rap” the situation.

    “We’re glad to have the jobs. We’re glad to have the project built,” he said. “The president is the president whether we like him or dislike him. We respect him for the title.”

    America
    Everyone involved in that fascist move should fired. Including Trump. I am in a union, and if they tried to pull this, everyone would have shown up with fucking torches and pitchforks. And the Laboir board would have been on the company like a rabid pitbull. The fact that the workers actually felt cowed enough to tolerate this, and that the union rep actually felt like this was an option, definitely does speak volumes about where America is right now, both politically and in terms of workers' rights. Absolutely disgusting. Fascism has arrived in the USA.
    You must be operating under your own special definition of fascism.  As much as I hate Trump, this isn't fascism.  If the plant is closed, why would one be paid for not being onsite? That's part of the union contract. 
    Dude...Nope, I'm not even going to bother anymore. I've got better things to do than try to convince someone of something that is blatantly obvious. I cannot believe you are actually defending this move, or trying to say it wasn't an authoritarian thing to do by, I guess, attempting hold my comment up to the dictionary test.
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  • mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    The union person was fine with it. 


    “This is just what Shell wanted to do and we went along with it,” Ken Broadbent, business manager for Steamfitters Local 449, told the newspaper. He said he wouldn’t “bad rap” the situation.

    “We’re glad to have the jobs. We’re glad to have the project built,” he said. “The president is the president whether we like him or dislike him. We respect him for the title.”

    America
    Everyone involved in that fascist move should fired. Including Trump. I am in a union, and if they tried to pull this, everyone would have shown up with fucking torches and pitchforks. And the Laboir board would have been on the company like a rabid pitbull. The fact that the workers actually felt cowed enough to tolerate this, and that the union rep actually felt like this was an option, definitely does speak volumes about where America is right now, both politically and in terms of workers' rights. Absolutely disgusting. Fascism has arrived in the USA.
    You must be operating under your own special definition of fascism.  As much as I hate Trump, this isn't fascism.  If the plant is closed, why would one be paid for not being onsite? That's part of the union contract. 
    Disgusting take on this.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    The union person was fine with it. 


    “This is just what Shell wanted to do and we went along with it,” Ken Broadbent, business manager for Steamfitters Local 449, told the newspaper. He said he wouldn’t “bad rap” the situation.

    “We’re glad to have the jobs. We’re glad to have the project built,” he said. “The president is the president whether we like him or dislike him. We respect him for the title.”

    America
    Everyone involved in that fascist move should fired. Including Trump. I am in a union, and if they tried to pull this, everyone would have shown up with fucking torches and pitchforks. And the Laboir board would have been on the company like a rabid pitbull. The fact that the workers actually felt cowed enough to tolerate this, and that the union rep actually felt like this was an option, definitely does speak volumes about where America is right now, both politically and in terms of workers' rights. Absolutely disgusting. Fascism has arrived in the USA.
    You must be operating under your own special definition of fascism.  As much as I hate Trump, this isn't fascism.  If the plant is closed, why would one be paid for not being onsite? That's part of the union contract. 
    Agreed, this is definitely not fascism but typical union leadership telling the rank and file what to do. If I read the article correctly members who went were paid overtime for attending lol.  “In addition, workers who decided not to listen to the president’s speech reportedly would not be paid overtime rates routinely built in for extra time during the week.“
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited August 2019
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    The union person was fine with it. 


    “This is just what Shell wanted to do and we went along with it,” Ken Broadbent, business manager for Steamfitters Local 449, told the newspaper. He said he wouldn’t “bad rap” the situation.

    “We’re glad to have the jobs. We’re glad to have the project built,” he said. “The president is the president whether we like him or dislike him. We respect him for the title.”

    America
    Everyone involved in that fascist move should fired. Including Trump. I am in a union, and if they tried to pull this, everyone would have shown up with fucking torches and pitchforks. And the Laboir board would have been on the company like a rabid pitbull. The fact that the workers actually felt cowed enough to tolerate this, and that the union rep actually felt like this was an option, definitely does speak volumes about where America is right now, both politically and in terms of workers' rights. Absolutely disgusting. Fascism has arrived in the USA.
    You must be operating under your own special definition of fascism.  As much as I hate Trump, this isn't fascism.  If the plant is closed, why would one be paid for not being onsite? That's part of the union contract. 
    Dude...Nope, I'm not even going to bother anymore. I've got better things to do than try to convince someone of something that is blatantly obvious. I cannot believe you are actually defending this move, or trying to say it wasn't an authoritarian thing to do by, I guess, attempting hold my comment up to the dictionary test.
    @Spiritual_Chaos & @PJ_Soul - so you think I'm a defender of Trump?  Negative, I'm a defender of fact based thinking.  You can't bother because it's not fascism by any definition, unless it's one you invent on your own or hyperbole. 

    I won't even ask SC because he's never been able to formulate an argument that doesn't involve a quote from a movie made in the US.  He never even defended that ridiculous anti-capitalism paper on the other thread.  

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    The union person was fine with it. 


    “This is just what Shell wanted to do and we went along with it,” Ken Broadbent, business manager for Steamfitters Local 449, told the newspaper. He said he wouldn’t “bad rap” the situation.

    “We’re glad to have the jobs. We’re glad to have the project built,” he said. “The president is the president whether we like him or dislike him. We respect him for the title.”

    America
    Everyone involved in that fascist move should fired. Including Trump. I am in a union, and if they tried to pull this, everyone would have shown up with fucking torches and pitchforks. And the Laboir board would have been on the company like a rabid pitbull. The fact that the workers actually felt cowed enough to tolerate this, and that the union rep actually felt like this was an option, definitely does speak volumes about where America is right now, both politically and in terms of workers' rights. Absolutely disgusting. Fascism has arrived in the USA.
    You must be operating under your own special definition of fascism.  As much as I hate Trump, this isn't fascism.  If the plant is closed, why would one be paid for not being onsite? That's part of the union contract. 
    Agreed, this is definitely not fascism but typical union leadership telling the rank and file what to do. If I read the article correctly members who went were paid overtime for attending lol.  “In addition, workers who decided not to listen to the president’s speech reportedly would not be paid overtime rates routinely built in for extra time during the week.“
    I disagree with this take as well.  It's not the union's fault either.  Anyone could have chosen not to come to work and there could be no legal consequences for doing so.  But you don't get paid, because the workers are non-exempt.  And because you have a day unpaid, you will likely not receive OT for the week because you won't be above the number required for OT, since you skipped a day a work.  And why should the worker be paid if he/she didn't come into work and the factory wasn't operating?  If one has a beef, it should be with Shell for shutting the factory down for a day for a political rally.  But again, that's not even in the ball park of being 'fascism'.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    The union person was fine with it. 


    “This is just what Shell wanted to do and we went along with it,” Ken Broadbent, business manager for Steamfitters Local 449, told the newspaper. He said he wouldn’t “bad rap” the situation.

    “We’re glad to have the jobs. We’re glad to have the project built,” he said. “The president is the president whether we like him or dislike him. We respect him for the title.”

    America
    Everyone involved in that fascist move should fired. Including Trump. I am in a union, and if they tried to pull this, everyone would have shown up with fucking torches and pitchforks. And the Laboir board would have been on the company like a rabid pitbull. The fact that the workers actually felt cowed enough to tolerate this, and that the union rep actually felt like this was an option, definitely does speak volumes about where America is right now, both politically and in terms of workers' rights. Absolutely disgusting. Fascism has arrived in the USA.
    You must be operating under your own special definition of fascism.  As much as I hate Trump, this isn't fascism.  If the plant is closed, why would one be paid for not being onsite? That's part of the union contract. 
    Disgusting take on this.
    This about sums up the depth of your debating skills.  
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    edited August 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    The union person was fine with it. 


    “This is just what Shell wanted to do and we went along with it,” Ken Broadbent, business manager for Steamfitters Local 449, told the newspaper. He said he wouldn’t “bad rap” the situation.

    “We’re glad to have the jobs. We’re glad to have the project built,” he said. “The president is the president whether we like him or dislike him. We respect him for the title.”

    America
    Everyone involved in that fascist move should fired. Including Trump. I am in a union, and if they tried to pull this, everyone would have shown up with fucking torches and pitchforks. And the Laboir board would have been on the company like a rabid pitbull. The fact that the workers actually felt cowed enough to tolerate this, and that the union rep actually felt like this was an option, definitely does speak volumes about where America is right now, both politically and in terms of workers' rights. Absolutely disgusting. Fascism has arrived in the USA.
    You must be operating under your own special definition of fascism.  As much as I hate Trump, this isn't fascism.  If the plant is closed, why would one be paid for not being onsite? That's part of the union contract. 
    Agreed, this is definitely not fascism but typical union leadership telling the rank and file what to do. If I read the article correctly members who went were paid overtime for attending lol.  “In addition, workers who decided not to listen to the president’s speech reportedly would not be paid overtime rates routinely built in for extra time during the week.“
    I disagree with this take as well.  It's not the union's fault either.  Anyone could have chosen not to come to work and there could be no legal consequences for doing so.  But you don't get paid, because the workers are non-exempt.  And because you have a day unpaid, you will likely not receive OT for the week because you won't be above the number required for OT, since you skipped a day a work.  And why should the worker be paid if he/she didn't come into work and the factory wasn't operating?  If one has a beef, it should be with Shell for shutting the factory down for a day for a political rally.  But again, that's not even in the ball park of being 'fascism'.  
    I misread that the factory was shut down for the day. The way I read it was that if you went you got overtime.  But I still think this is pretty sop for unions, they tell you support a candidate then you do . However any way you look examine the event it is definitely not fascism. 

    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    The union person was fine with it. 


    “This is just what Shell wanted to do and we went along with it,” Ken Broadbent, business manager for Steamfitters Local 449, told the newspaper. He said he wouldn’t “bad rap” the situation.

    “We’re glad to have the jobs. We’re glad to have the project built,” he said. “The president is the president whether we like him or dislike him. We respect him for the title.”

    America
    Everyone involved in that fascist move should fired. Including Trump. I am in a union, and if they tried to pull this, everyone would have shown up with fucking torches and pitchforks. And the Laboir board would have been on the company like a rabid pitbull. The fact that the workers actually felt cowed enough to tolerate this, and that the union rep actually felt like this was an option, definitely does speak volumes about where America is right now, both politically and in terms of workers' rights. Absolutely disgusting. Fascism has arrived in the USA.
    You must be operating under your own special definition of fascism.  As much as I hate Trump, this isn't fascism.  If the plant is closed, why would one be paid for not being onsite? That's part of the union contract. 
    Agreed, this is definitely not fascism but typical union leadership telling the rank and file what to do. If I read the article correctly members who went were paid overtime for attending lol.  “In addition, workers who decided not to listen to the president’s speech reportedly would not be paid overtime rates routinely built in for extra time during the week.“
    I disagree with this take as well.  It's not the union's fault either.  Anyone could have chosen not to come to work and there could be no legal consequences for doing so.  But you don't get paid, because the workers are non-exempt.  And because you have a day unpaid, you will likely not receive OT for the week because you won't be above the number required for OT, since you skipped a day a work.  And why should the worker be paid if he/she didn't come into work and the factory wasn't operating?  If one has a beef, it should be with Shell for shutting the factory down for a day for a political rally.  But again, that's not even in the ball park of being 'fascism'.  
    I misread that the factory was shut down for the day. The way I read it was that if you went you got overtime.  But I still think this is pretty sop for unions, they tell you support a candidate then you do . However any way you look examine the event it is definitely not fascism. 

    It's a good point on the union leaders.  Have they been fascist for 80 years and we never noticed?
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    The union person was fine with it. 


    “This is just what Shell wanted to do and we went along with it,” Ken Broadbent, business manager for Steamfitters Local 449, told the newspaper. He said he wouldn’t “bad rap” the situation.

    “We’re glad to have the jobs. We’re glad to have the project built,” he said. “The president is the president whether we like him or dislike him. We respect him for the title.”

    America
    Everyone involved in that fascist move should fired. Including Trump. I am in a union, and if they tried to pull this, everyone would have shown up with fucking torches and pitchforks. And the Laboir board would have been on the company like a rabid pitbull. The fact that the workers actually felt cowed enough to tolerate this, and that the union rep actually felt like this was an option, definitely does speak volumes about where America is right now, both politically and in terms of workers' rights. Absolutely disgusting. Fascism has arrived in the USA.
    You must be operating under your own special definition of fascism.  As much as I hate Trump, this isn't fascism.  If the plant is closed, why would one be paid for not being onsite? That's part of the union contract. 
    Agreed, this is definitely not fascism but typical union leadership telling the rank and file what to do. If I read the article correctly members who went were paid overtime for attending lol.  “In addition, workers who decided not to listen to the president’s speech reportedly would not be paid overtime rates routinely built in for extra time during the week.“
    I disagree with this take as well.  It's not the union's fault either.  Anyone could have chosen not to come to work and there could be no legal consequences for doing so.  But you don't get paid, because the workers are non-exempt.  And because you have a day unpaid, you will likely not receive OT for the week because you won't be above the number required for OT, since you skipped a day a work.  And why should the worker be paid if he/she didn't come into work and the factory wasn't operating?  If one has a beef, it should be with Shell for shutting the factory down for a day for a political rally.  But again, that's not even in the ball park of being 'fascism'.  
    I misread that the factory was shut down for the day. The way I read it was that if you went you got overtime.  But I still think this is pretty sop for unions, they tell you support a candidate then you do . However any way you look examine the event it is definitely not fascism. 

    It's a good point on the union leaders.  Have they been fascist for 80 years and we never noticed?
    I ve been in a Union almost twenty years and never thought the leaders were fascist. 

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    The union person was fine with it. 


    “This is just what Shell wanted to do and we went along with it,” Ken Broadbent, business manager for Steamfitters Local 449, told the newspaper. He said he wouldn’t “bad rap” the situation.

    “We’re glad to have the jobs. We’re glad to have the project built,” he said. “The president is the president whether we like him or dislike him. We respect him for the title.”

    America
    Everyone involved in that fascist move should fired. Including Trump. I am in a union, and if they tried to pull this, everyone would have shown up with fucking torches and pitchforks. And the Laboir board would have been on the company like a rabid pitbull. The fact that the workers actually felt cowed enough to tolerate this, and that the union rep actually felt like this was an option, definitely does speak volumes about where America is right now, both politically and in terms of workers' rights. Absolutely disgusting. Fascism has arrived in the USA.
    You must be operating under your own special definition of fascism.  As much as I hate Trump, this isn't fascism.  If the plant is closed, why would one be paid for not being onsite? That's part of the union contract. 
    He's a textbook fascist.

    Those union members would have gotten paid time off if they didn't attend.  The hate rally, being on a Friday, was all about being paid overtime.
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
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    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059

    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
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    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Coming out on the side of those loser Proudboys?  The ones the Anti Fascists were so against?  

    That is Fascism.

    fascism

     noun
    fas·​cism | \ ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-  \

    Definition of fascism

    1often capitalized a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    2a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
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    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Those hate rallies?

    Fascism.


    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
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