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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,684
    mrussel1 said:
    Did everyone activate their Trump Gold Card?

    These people are just suckers.  It's really sad.  
    There was actually talk of a fucking boat parade in my hood a month or so ago. Amazingly it didn't happen
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,197
    mrussel1 said:
    Did everyone activate their Trump Gold Card?

    These people are just suckers.  It's really sad.  
    There was actually talk of a fucking boat parade in my hood a month or so ago. Amazingly it didn't happen
    Nobody that has many perfect boat parades could ever lose an election. He should  have held the parade.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,070
    Poncier said:
    HA...I don't think it's possible for me to love this more. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,839
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Did everyone activate their Trump Gold Card?

    These people are just suckers.  It's really sad.  
    There was actually talk of a fucking boat parade in my hood a month or so ago. Amazingly it didn't happen
    Nobody that has many perfect boat parades could ever lose an election. He should  have held the parade.
    This is an unassailable statement.  It may even be a scientific law.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Poncier said:
    HA...I don't think it's possible for me to love this more. 
    lol people don't like it when you call them suckers. i'm here for it though.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Edved82Edved82 Ireland Posts: 1,279
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
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  • Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,763
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.

    A lot of Americans LOVE owning cash businesses. Over half of small businesses do not accept credit cards. Most towns here are filled with scores of cash businesses everywhere.

    in the first Hilary/trump debate, she tried an old school gotcha comment when she said “ trump didn’t pay any federal income tax” Trump quickly retorted: “That makes me smart.”

    He won millions of loyal followers at that singular moment, if not tens of millions. Many other reasons exist,  but the America I knew in 2016 and before changed at that moment. Almost like a brain of j moment.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,440
    received email number 2 about this YUGE rally on the 17th today. gonna let them keep coming to see how many I get for this "free" event between yesterday and the 17th.
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    Trump partner in Truth Social delays key vote on merger
    By BERNARD CONDON
    14 mins ago

    NEW YORK (AP) — A key decision over whether Donald Trump’s social media platform Truth Social will merge with a cash-rich company and get $1.3 billion to take on Twitter has been put off for another month.


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  • Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    He hates all the right people. It isn’t about taxes, it isn’t about policy, he hates all the right people. It’s really that simple. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,839
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.

    A lot of Americans LOVE owning cash businesses. Over half of small businesses do not accept credit cards. Most towns here are filled with scores of cash businesses everywhere.

    in the first Hilary/trump debate, she tried an old school gotcha comment when she said “ trump didn’t pay any federal income tax” Trump quickly retorted: “That makes me smart.”

    He won millions of loyal followers at that singular moment, if not tens of millions. Many other reasons exist,  but the America I knew in 2016 and before changed at that moment. Almost like a brain of j moment.
    Tens of millions based on that comment? That's seems a little hyperbolic. I don't know anyone that ever mentioned that comment in any political discussion I've had. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,367
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    He hates all the right people. It isn’t about taxes, it isn’t about policy, he hates all the right people. It’s really that simple. 
    agreed. you tap into people's hatred and fear, you win every time. 
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  • Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    He hates all the right people. It isn’t about taxes, it isn’t about policy, he hates all the right people. It’s really that simple. 
    agreed. you tap into people's hatred and fear, you win every time. 
    I know this thread is about trump, but....

    Hence Biden's current shift to addressing MAGA head on.  And I think it was a smart move. 

     It's unfortunate that it's more about that then policy decisions and bills passed.  For me, Biden has a major win in the infrastructure bill, an ok win on his environmental bill he calls inflation reduction, a huge loss in his presidential move to waive loans.  He owns what I believe is success in regards to Ukraine...a loss in regards to Afghanastan (though a really tough position). He owns a win for the vaccine distribution and maintaining jobs....and a loss for extremely high inflation.  All in all he is actually doing the job which is great and is managing to even make moderates (that used to lean more fiscally conservative) happy half the time. 

      But due mostly to inflation, I think the smart move is to paint the culture picture head on and stop letting the MAGA crowd own that space alone.  I am not a Biden fan really.  I am not a fan of the Dems agenda in large part.  But the alternative remains extremely dangerous to those things that I am a fan of.  

    Trump did tap into people's fear and anger...and it worked for him.  Almost got re-elected which is crazy.  Biden seems to be trying to do the same to energize the Dem and moderate voters.  And I like it.  Just keep it to facts and truth.
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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,055
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    He hates all the right people. It isn’t about taxes, it isn’t about policy, he hates all the right people. It’s really that simple. 
    agreed. you tap into people's hatred and fear, you win every time. 
    I know this thread is about trump, but....

    Hence Biden's current shift to addressing MAGA head on.  And I think it was a smart move. 

     It's unfortunate that it's more about that then policy decisions and bills passed.  For me, Biden has a major win in the infrastructure bill, an ok win on his environmental bill he calls inflation reduction, a huge loss in his presidential move to waive loans.  He owns what I believe is success in regards to Ukraine...a loss in regards to Afghanastan (though a really tough position). He owns a win for the vaccine distribution and maintaining jobs....and a loss for extremely high inflation.  All in all he is actually doing the job which is great and is managing to even make moderates (that used to lean more fiscally conservative) happy half the time. 

      But due mostly to inflation, I think the smart move is to paint the culture picture head on and stop letting the MAGA crowd own that space alone.  I am not a Biden fan really.  I am not a fan of the Dems agenda in large part.  But the alternative remains extremely dangerous to those things that I am a fan of.  

    Trump did tap into people's fear and anger...and it worked for him.  Almost got re-elected which is crazy.  Biden seems to be trying to do the same to energize the Dem and moderate voters.  And I like it.  Just keep it to facts and truth.
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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,055
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    When he gets on a roll, he has the staccato verbal delivery of an eastern European dictator.   
    He literally is STILL hypnotizing the money (on autopay) out of these marks.  
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,440
     

    Toddler In Chief

    Mine, mine, mine, mine

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    “Me, me, me, me...”
    “My, my, my, my...”
    “Mine, mine, mine...”

    You don’t have to listen to Donald Trump for very long to discern a worldview that is completely and utterly egocentric. 

    He has gallivanted through a life made possible by his daddy’s money (nevermind the shadows under which it was accumulated). He has exploited a business and social structure designed to cater to, indulge, and excuse men like him. He is driven only by quenching his basest desires. 

    And over and over again, Donald Trump has gotten away with it — like a young child who has been given (and has taken) everything without ever being told “no.”

    Now he is being indulged by an entire political party. And like a misbehaving toddler, his disruptive antics have spread to others. They mimic his temper tantrums. Chaos escalates.  

    Except this is not a preschool classroom, it is a nation. 

    Petulance is not measured in hoarded blocks and broken crayons but in the demise of our democratic order. 

    “My top secret documents...” 
    “My judges...”
    “My people...”

    Trump sees a simplistic binary world where everyone is either there to serve his needs or they are the enemy. Material possessions are to be accumulated and used however he sees fit — according to the metric of personal benefit. 

    The way our system of government aspires to work is that the law applies evenly to all citizens. Sadly, history has shown time and again how far from that reality we often are as a nation. But the principle of “equal justice under the law” is fundamental to the American ideal, and we as a people overwhelmingly believe in striving for it.

    Trump and his acolytes do not even pay lip service to it. There is no “my fellow citizens,” no commonality. He expects to exist in an alternate universe. By his formulation, the law applies only to “thee” as in us, and never to “me,” as in him. 

    This mindset was destructive enough when it drove the decision-making in the Oval Office. Since Trump’s defeat in the 2020 election, the danger in some ways has escalated. The truth is that the president of the United States is afforded many special privileges and powers. But they reside in the office and not the person. Donald Trump is no longer president. And yet the court ruling from a judge he appointed runs roughshod over this democratic principle. 

    Trump's motives for hoarding classified documents at Mar-a-Lago are unknown. Recent reporting that they contained some of this nation’s most sensitive secrets raises very disturbing ramifications. But regardless of what Trump was doing, one thing we can say for certain is he believes the rules don’t apply to him. 

    He believes he can lose a free and fair election and meet that fate with lies — the first president in American history to not accept defeat. 

    He believes he can foment violence without consequence to himself. 

    He believes he can blow up our institutions of governance with impunity.

    And if you judge by his legions of apologists and lackeys, he is correct. They are happy to excuse his behavior or just look the other way. It’s why people like Senator Marco Rubio are eager to blame federal law enforcement for what he deems the minor infraction of a private citizen keeping highly classified documents in an insecure location for who knows what motive. “I don't think a fight over the storage of documents is worthy of what they've done,” he said recently. The storage of documents? Is that really what we’re talking about? Of course not. And of course Rubio had a very different take when we were talking about Hillary Clinton for a far less serious infraction. 

    We have seen some version of the same excuse each and every time Trump has blown past what had been the limits of accepted behavior. Because it’s Trump, they say it’s okay. Everything he does is okay. 

    We saw it in the run-up to the 2016 election. We’ve seen it in the lies too numerous to count, the unstable actions, and the pernicious divisiveness. Heck, we saw it with two impeachment trials. It’s happened over and over again. It’s like a preschool teacher saying, in effect, “Oh that’s just Donnie being Donnie.” Except every preschool teacher or responsible parent I know understands you can’t do that. 

    Actions must have consequences if order, rules, and laws are to hold. The Department of Justice and other prosecutors can say, “No, you can’t do that.” Juries, including grand juries, can, too. And so can voters. Elections, after all, also have consequences.

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,839
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    He hates all the right people. It isn’t about taxes, it isn’t about policy, he hates all the right people. It’s really that simple. 
    agreed. you tap into people's hatred and fear, you win every time. 
    I know this thread is about trump, but....

    Hence Biden's current shift to addressing MAGA head on.  And I think it was a smart move. 

     It's unfortunate that it's more about that then policy decisions and bills passed.  For me, Biden has a major win in the infrastructure bill, an ok win on his environmental bill he calls inflation reduction, a huge loss in his presidential move to waive loans.  He owns what I believe is success in regards to Ukraine...a loss in regards to Afghanastan (though a really tough position). He owns a win for the vaccine distribution and maintaining jobs....and a loss for extremely high inflation.  All in all he is actually doing the job which is great and is managing to even make moderates (that used to lean more fiscally conservative) happy half the time. 

      But due mostly to inflation, I think the smart move is to paint the culture picture head on and stop letting the MAGA crowd own that space alone.  I am not a Biden fan really.  I am not a fan of the Dems agenda in large part.  But the alternative remains extremely dangerous to those things that I am a fan of.  

    Trump did tap into people's fear and anger...and it worked for him.  Almost got re-elected which is crazy.  Biden seems to be trying to do the same to energize the Dem and moderate voters.  And I like it.  Just keep it to facts and truth.
    You forgot abortion and how important that is.

    Approval rating is a tricky thing, because it's a comparison vs what you agree with.  Elections are a choice and your statement about the MAGA alternative is what this election is about.  I think Biden is very smart to make this election as much about Trump as he can, and Trump is happy to take that bait.  The speech about MAGA essentially made is about Trump.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    He hates all the right people. It isn’t about taxes, it isn’t about policy, he hates all the right people. It’s really that simple. 
    agreed. you tap into people's hatred and fear, you win every time. 
    I know this thread is about trump, but....

    Hence Biden's current shift to addressing MAGA head on.  And I think it was a smart move. 

     It's unfortunate that it's more about that then policy decisions and bills passed.  For me, Biden has a major win in the infrastructure bill, an ok win on his environmental bill he calls inflation reduction, a huge loss in his presidential move to waive loans.  He owns what I believe is success in regards to Ukraine...a loss in regards to Afghanastan (though a really tough position). He owns a win for the vaccine distribution and maintaining jobs....and a loss for extremely high inflation.  All in all he is actually doing the job which is great and is managing to even make moderates (that used to lean more fiscally conservative) happy half the time. 

      But due mostly to inflation, I think the smart move is to paint the culture picture head on and stop letting the MAGA crowd own that space alone.  I am not a Biden fan really.  I am not a fan of the Dems agenda in large part.  But the alternative remains extremely dangerous to those things that I am a fan of.  

    Trump did tap into people's fear and anger...and it worked for him.  Almost got re-elected which is crazy.  Biden seems to be trying to do the same to energize the Dem and moderate voters.  And I like it.  Just keep it to facts and truth.
    You forgot abortion and how important that is.

    Approval rating is a tricky thing, because it's a comparison vs what you agree with.  Elections are a choice and your statement about the MAGA alternative is what this election is about.  I think Biden is very smart to make this election as much about Trump as he can, and Trump is happy to take that bait.  The speech about MAGA essentially made is about Trump.  
    Yes abortion will play a key role.  I didn't mention it cause it isn't policy...it was a supreme court decision, but it'll have an effect and drive people to the polls.  It already was driving single-issue GOP to the polls for many years.  Gotta at least be impressed with their persistence.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • mrussel1 said:
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    He hates all the right people. It isn’t about taxes, it isn’t about policy, he hates all the right people. It’s really that simple. 
    agreed. you tap into people's hatred and fear, you win every time. 
    I know this thread is about trump, but....

    Hence Biden's current shift to addressing MAGA head on.  And I think it was a smart move. 

     It's unfortunate that it's more about that then policy decisions and bills passed.  For me, Biden has a major win in the infrastructure bill, an ok win on his environmental bill he calls inflation reduction, a huge loss in his presidential move to waive loans.  He owns what I believe is success in regards to Ukraine...a loss in regards to Afghanastan (though a really tough position). He owns a win for the vaccine distribution and maintaining jobs....and a loss for extremely high inflation.  All in all he is actually doing the job which is great and is managing to even make moderates (that used to lean more fiscally conservative) happy half the time. 

      But due mostly to inflation, I think the smart move is to paint the culture picture head on and stop letting the MAGA crowd own that space alone.  I am not a Biden fan really.  I am not a fan of the Dems agenda in large part.  But the alternative remains extremely dangerous to those things that I am a fan of.  

    Trump did tap into people's fear and anger...and it worked for him.  Almost got re-elected which is crazy.  Biden seems to be trying to do the same to energize the Dem and moderate voters.  And I like it.  Just keep it to facts and truth.
    You forgot abortion and how important that is.

    Approval rating is a tricky thing, because it's a comparison vs what you agree with.  Elections are a choice and your statement about the MAGA alternative is what this election is about.  I think Biden is very smart to make this election as much about Trump as he can, and Trump is happy to take that bait.  The speech about MAGA essentially made is about Trump.  
    Yes abortion will play a key role.  I didn't mention it cause it isn't policy...it was a supreme court decision, but it'll have an effect and drive people to the polls.  It already was driving single-issue GOP to the polls for many years.  Gotta at least be impressed with their persistence.

    1000%. The GOP played the long game, and got what they said they've wanted for the last 50 years. 
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,197
    mrussel1 said:
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    He hates all the right people. It isn’t about taxes, it isn’t about policy, he hates all the right people. It’s really that simple. 
    agreed. you tap into people's hatred and fear, you win every time. 
    I know this thread is about trump, but....

    Hence Biden's current shift to addressing MAGA head on.  And I think it was a smart move. 

     It's unfortunate that it's more about that then policy decisions and bills passed.  For me, Biden has a major win in the infrastructure bill, an ok win on his environmental bill he calls inflation reduction, a huge loss in his presidential move to waive loans.  He owns what I believe is success in regards to Ukraine...a loss in regards to Afghanastan (though a really tough position). He owns a win for the vaccine distribution and maintaining jobs....and a loss for extremely high inflation.  All in all he is actually doing the job which is great and is managing to even make moderates (that used to lean more fiscally conservative) happy half the time. 

      But due mostly to inflation, I think the smart move is to paint the culture picture head on and stop letting the MAGA crowd own that space alone.  I am not a Biden fan really.  I am not a fan of the Dems agenda in large part.  But the alternative remains extremely dangerous to those things that I am a fan of.  

    Trump did tap into people's fear and anger...and it worked for him.  Almost got re-elected which is crazy.  Biden seems to be trying to do the same to energize the Dem and moderate voters.  And I like it.  Just keep it to facts and truth.
    You forgot abortion and how important that is.

    Approval rating is a tricky thing, because it's a comparison vs what you agree with.  Elections are a choice and your statement about the MAGA alternative is what this election is about.  I think Biden is very smart to make this election as much about Trump as he can, and Trump is happy to take that bait.  The speech about MAGA essentially made is about Trump.  
    Yes abortion will play a key role.  I didn't mention it cause it isn't policy...it was a supreme court decision, but it'll have an effect and drive people to the polls.  It already was driving single-issue GOP to the polls for many years.  Gotta at least be impressed with their persistence.
    I think the reversal of Roe is going to be big for a lot of elections. It's the reason the incumbent Dems have a pretty good chance in Michigan and Minnesota. There used to be this sort of cynical thought that the GOP didn't actually want R v W reversed because of how it might shift the balance in pro life vs. pro choice ferver. And it feels like we might see that.

    The Minnesota GOP candidate is going full SCOTUS Nominee by proclaiming legal abortion to be set law...only months after saying the opposite. It's a bold-faced lie but I think the GOP might be learning where the majority sits on the issue.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,197
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    He hates all the right people. It isn’t about taxes, it isn’t about policy, he hates all the right people. It’s really that simple. 
    So succinct and so true. My gut reaction to that list was also to add "And he's an absolutely miserable human being." I mean, W was terrible in so many ways but his appeal was that silly "wanna have a beer with him" demeanor. Trump appears to have no sense of humor or joy. He's just miserable. His entire persona is anger.

    A generation ago, that would have gotten him nowhere. After all, aren't most people drawn to optimism and positivity (not me, but most people)? But the 24/7 fear-mongering and finger pointing have provided a toxic cloud of irrational anger...I don't think they even always know what they're angry about. But they're angry. Trump's misery plays into that well.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,605
    edited September 2022
    OnWis97 said:
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    He hates all the right people. It isn’t about taxes, it isn’t about policy, he hates all the right people. It’s really that simple. 
    So succinct and so true. My gut reaction to that list was also to add "And he's an absolutely miserable human being." I mean, W was terrible in so many ways but his appeal was that silly "wanna have a beer with him" demeanor. Trump appears to have no sense of humor or joy. He's just miserable. His entire persona is anger.

    A generation ago, that would have gotten him nowhere. After all, aren't most people drawn to optimism and positivity (not me, but most people)? But the 24/7 fear-mongering and finger pointing have provided a toxic cloud of irrational anger...I don't think they even always know what they're angry about. But they're angry. Trump's misery plays into that well.
    He's a miserable man appealing to miserable people who want to see everyone else as miserable as they are. 

    It's one big culture of anger, perceived victimhood and misery. 
  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,055
    edited September 2022
    OnWis97 said:
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    He hates all the right people. It isn’t about taxes, it isn’t about policy, he hates all the right people. It’s really that simple. 
    So succinct and so true. My gut reaction to that list was also to add "And he's an absolutely miserable human being." I mean, W was terrible in so many ways but his appeal was that silly "wanna have a beer with him" demeanor. Trump appears to have no sense of humor or joy. He's just miserable. His entire persona is anger.

    A generation ago, that would have gotten him nowhere. After all, aren't most people drawn to optimism and positivity (not me, but most people)? But the 24/7 fear-mongering and finger pointing have provided a toxic cloud of irrational anger...I don't think they even always know what they're angry about. But they're angry. Trump's misery plays into that well.
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  • OnWis97 said:
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    He hates all the right people. It isn’t about taxes, it isn’t about policy, he hates all the right people. It’s really that simple. 
    So succinct and so true. My gut reaction to that list was also to add "And he's an absolutely miserable human being." I mean, W was terrible in so many ways but his appeal was that silly "wanna have a beer with him" demeanor. Trump appears to have no sense of humor or joy. He's just miserable. His entire persona is anger.

    A generation ago, that would have gotten him nowhere. After all, aren't most people drawn to optimism and positivity (not me, but most people)? But the 24/7 fear-mongering and finger pointing have provided a toxic cloud of irrational anger...I don't think they even always know what they're angry about. But they're angry. Trump's misery plays into that well.
    He's a miserable man appealing to miserable people who want to see everyone else as miserable as they are. 

    It's one big culture of anger, perceived victimhood and misery. 
    This is true for the extreme MAGA crowd.  It is not true of his 72 million votes in total.  Some get tired of paying for everyone.  And looky there...Biden is making them pay for other people's loans already.  It is not an unfounded dislike of the Dems policies.
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  • OnWis97 said:
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    He hates all the right people. It isn’t about taxes, it isn’t about policy, he hates all the right people. It’s really that simple. 
    So succinct and so true. My gut reaction to that list was also to add "And he's an absolutely miserable human being." I mean, W was terrible in so many ways but his appeal was that silly "wanna have a beer with him" demeanor. Trump appears to have no sense of humor or joy. He's just miserable. His entire persona is anger.

    A generation ago, that would have gotten him nowhere. After all, aren't most people drawn to optimism and positivity (not me, but most people)? But the 24/7 fear-mongering and finger pointing have provided a toxic cloud of irrational anger...I don't think they even always know what they're angry about. But they're angry. Trump's misery plays into that well.
    He's a miserable man appealing to miserable people who want to see everyone else as miserable as they are. 

    It's one big culture of anger, perceived victimhood and misery. 
    This is true for the extreme MAGA crowd.  It is not true of his 72 million votes in total.  Some get tired of paying for everyone.  And looky there...Biden is making them pay for other people's loans already.  It is not an unfounded dislike of the Dems policies.
    "Perceived victimhood" 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,839
    OnWis97 said:
    Edved82 said:
    As a non-American, I have often wondered what it is about Donald Trump that people are drawn to.

    1) He is not good looking or charismatic.
    2) He is a proven liar and fraud.
    3) He's not a good public speaker
    4) He clearly seems intent on destroying US democracy step-by-step.

    Why are Republicans so beholden to this man? It really is beyond belief at this stage.
    He hates all the right people. It isn’t about taxes, it isn’t about policy, he hates all the right people. It’s really that simple. 
    So succinct and so true. My gut reaction to that list was also to add "And he's an absolutely miserable human being." I mean, W was terrible in so many ways but his appeal was that silly "wanna have a beer with him" demeanor. Trump appears to have no sense of humor or joy. He's just miserable. His entire persona is anger.

    A generation ago, that would have gotten him nowhere. After all, aren't most people drawn to optimism and positivity (not me, but most people)? But the 24/7 fear-mongering and finger pointing have provided a toxic cloud of irrational anger...I don't think they even always know what they're angry about. But they're angry. Trump's misery plays into that well.
    W’s problem was he was owned by the NEOCONs.  W wasn’t nativist or racist even if members of his party were.  He has always been pro immigration and I don’t recall him ever demonizing the “other”.  I also appreciate that when his time was up he willingly passed the Baton to Obama, which is how it is supposed to work.  No president has ever finished he job.  
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