Donald Trump

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I would qualify "voting for Donald Trump" as a sign of being mentally ill.

That's possible. Liking Load better than Kill 'Em All and Justice For All is right up there too though. 

This cannot be a real thing.  They've done nothing worthy since Justice.  

Nothing more expected and tired than the "only the 80s output count" crowd.

Trump would say something similiar. "They really lost their edge after Justice. Believe me. Sad. James took singing lessons. I have never taken singing lessons. believe me. Supersad. Ivanka would be the best groupie. Would say no to Lars. Only yes to James. maybe Jason. And me."

https://youtu.be/qT4qX9UPJ3c

Metallica became a bunch of corporatist, jingoist ballad writers after Justice.  They left behind every principle that made them who they were for the first five albums (I'm including Garage).  They fucking suck.  Fuck them.  They were even dickheads at CC's tribute show.  And your comment is even dumber because I hate the fucking 80's more than I hate Metallica.  

You didn't understand my comment it seems. Which would make your comment dumber than mine though.

the "too cool for a ballad" people... I tell ya

If I can't decipher your comment, it's not on me.  

Narrator: It actually was

Nothing more expected and tired than the "only the 80s output count" crowd.

Seems obvious this was a lame dig.  People who grew up with Metallica and were around, and got to see them with Cliff (I saw them open for Ozzy), generally write off their "sell out" years when they went all "Slippery When Wet".  And then they decided to go after Napster.  And made fun of Layne because of his addictions.  And now they decide to sell tickets directly to scalpers because they don't think they're pricing them high enough.  88K tickets.   Like I said.. bunch of assholes.  Maybe they've always been that way (probably), but for those of us that pay attention, it became obvious in 91.  
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2019/07/19/live-nation-scalper-metallica-recorded/

Why are you arguing me like I'm some big Metallica fan...

You expect me to defend them working with scalper or something?

Have you even been at Cliffs  memory stone at the scene of the crash if you are such a gigantic fan who saw them when they mattered?

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I would qualify "voting for Donald Trump" as a sign of being mentally ill.

That's possible. Liking Load better than Kill 'Em All and Justice For All is right up there too though. 

This cannot be a real thing.  They've done nothing worthy since Justice.  

Nothing more expected and tired than the "only the 80s output count" crowd.

Trump would say something similiar. "They really lost their edge after Justice. Believe me. Sad. James took singing lessons. I have never taken singing lessons. believe me. Supersad. Ivanka would be the best groupie. Would say no to Lars. Only yes to James. maybe Jason. And me."

https://youtu.be/qT4qX9UPJ3c

Metallica became a bunch of corporatist, jingoist ballad writers after Justice.  They left behind every principle that made them who they were for the first five albums (I'm including Garage).  They fucking suck.  Fuck them.  They were even dickheads at CC's tribute show.  And your comment is even dumber because I hate the fucking 80's more than I hate Metallica.  

You didn't understand my comment it seems. Which would make your comment dumber than mine though.

the "too cool for a ballad" people... I tell ya

If I can't decipher your comment, it's not on me.  

Narrator: It actually was

Nothing more expected and tired than the "only the 80s output count" crowd.

Seems obvious this was a lame dig.  People who grew up with Metallica and were around, and got to see them with Cliff (I saw them open for Ozzy), generally write off their "sell out" years when they went all "Slippery When Wet".  And then they decided to go after Napster.  And made fun of Layne because of his addictions.  And now they decide to sell tickets directly to scalpers because they don't think they're pricing them high enough.  88K tickets.   Like I said.. bunch of assholes.  Maybe they've always been that way (probably), but for those of us that pay attention, it became obvious in 91.  
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2019/07/19/live-nation-scalper-metallica-recorded/

Why are you arguing me like I'm some big Metallica fan...

You expect me to defend them working with scalper or something?

Have you even been at Cliffs  memory stone at the scene of the crash if you are such a gigantic fan who saw them when they mattered?

I made a comment that they've done nothing since Justice, and then you started being you with comments.  
Um, no.  I just said I hated those fuckers.  Why would I pilgrimage to Europe to go see a stone?  

Ledbetterman10

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Okay then. Rule out IED since it doesn't fit the criteria. But I still think that people that carry out these shootings are mentally ill. Even if the DSM doesn't have a specific diagnosis. A generic diagnosis of "fucking crazy" will do. 

“Angry racists” does just fine for me. I philosophically object to medicalizing racism. That’s one step closer to the “he couldn’t help it” argument. 

Could make it “angry male racists” for further clarity” but that tends to ruffle feathers. 

But how many of these mass shootings are racially motivated? I know the one in El Paso appears to very much be. But with most of the others, it doesn't seem like the shooter had much more intention than to kill whoever they can kill. 

You’re right, I don’t think all are racially motivated, though many are. The shooting at the black church was racially motivated. The shooting at the synagogue was anti-Semitic, so a similar motivation. That one night club shooting seemed to be targeting the LGBTQ community; not a race, but an identifiable and vulnerable community.

Hatred of “the other”. 

Yeah these are good examples. Especially the first two. The Orlando nightclub one though I'm not sure. The shooter had sworn allegiance to ISIS (like a fucking loser), said his motive was to avenge some U.S. airstrikes on ISIS camps, and (according to court records), googled "downtown Orlando nightclubs" and seemingly picked one at random. I say "seemingly" because there's no way to be sure, and like you said, it is a vulnerable community that someone like this may target over another. 

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I would qualify "voting for Donald Trump" as a sign of being mentally ill.

That's possible. Liking Load better than Kill 'Em All and Justice For All is right up there too though. 

This cannot be a real thing.  They've done nothing worthy since Justice.  

Nothing more expected and tired than the "only the 80s output count" crowd.

Trump would say something similiar. "They really lost their edge after Justice. Believe me. Sad. James took singing lessons. I have never taken singing lessons. believe me. Supersad. Ivanka would be the best groupie. Would say no to Lars. Only yes to James. maybe Jason. And me."

https://youtu.be/qT4qX9UPJ3c

Metallica became a bunch of corporatist, jingoist ballad writers after Justice.  They left behind every principle that made them who they were for the first five albums (I'm including Garage).  They fucking suck.  Fuck them.  They were even dickheads at CC's tribute show.  And your comment is even dumber because I hate the fucking 80's more than I hate Metallica.  

You didn't understand my comment it seems. Which would make your comment dumber than mine though.

the "too cool for a ballad" people... I tell ya

If I can't decipher your comment, it's not on me.  

Narrator: It actually was

Nothing more expected and tired than the "only the 80s output count" crowd.

Seems obvious this was a lame dig.  People who grew up with Metallica and were around, and got to see them with Cliff (I saw them open for Ozzy), generally write off their "sell out" years when they went all "Slippery When Wet".  And then they decided to go after Napster.  And made fun of Layne because of his addictions.  And now they decide to sell tickets directly to scalpers because they don't think they're pricing them high enough.  88K tickets.   Like I said.. bunch of assholes.  Maybe they've always been that way (probably), but for those of us that pay attention, it became obvious in 91.  
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2019/07/19/live-nation-scalper-metallica-recorded/

Why are you arguing me like I'm some big Metallica fan...

You expect me to defend them working with scalper or something?

Have you even been at Cliffs  memory stone at the scene of the crash if you are such a gigantic fan who saw them when they mattered?

I made a comment that they've done nothing since Justice, and then you started being you with comments.  
Um, no.  I just said I hated those fuckers.  Why would I pilgrimage to Europe to go see a stone?  

Someone who saw them open for Ozzy with Cliff would do the pilgrimage.

Spiritual_Chaos

https://youtu.be/k0Ra4vzfmg0

Ledbetterman10

mrussel1 said:

Nothing more expected and tired than the "only the 80s output count" crowd.

This is just part of his act. If you say something that leans right politically, you didn't come up with it yourself, you're parroting something you saw on Fox News. If you don't like Metallica's albums from the 90's, you didn't come up with that opinion yourself, you're parroting the "only the 80's output count" crowd. And so on and so forth...

mrussel1

That's actually funny. Fuck both of them.  Douches.  

Spiritual_Chaos

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Nothing more expected and tired than the "only the 80s output count" crowd.

This is just part of his act. If you say something that leans right politically, you didn't come up with it yourself, you're parroting something you saw on Fox News. If you don't like Metallica's albums from the 90's, you didn't come up with that opinion yourself, you're parroting the "only the 80's output count" crowd. And so on and so forth...

You can't fathom how many times I heard that exact comment on the "Metallica pre-party" before this summer's show. 

And you can't understand how fun it was to bring up Load.

"So you don't like when they started painting themselves with makeup? It was kind of cute I thought"

mickeyrat

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:mop

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

ikiT said:

August 5, 2019

WE MUST REFORM OUR MENTAL HEALTH LAWS TO BETTER IDENTIFY MENTALLY DISTURBED INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY COMMIT ACTS OF VIOLENCE AND MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE NOT ONLY GET TREATMENT BUT, WHEN NECESSARY, INVOLUNTARY CONFINEMENT. MENTAL ILLNESS AND HATRED PULLS THE... 

So he does want to round them up.

TY.

Involuntary commitment of mentally ill and dangerous individuals happens everyday. That’s different than rounding up any and all mentally ill folks like the Nazis did. I don’t think Trump meant that. But ya never know. If anyone would scapegoat harmless mentally ill folks for political reasons, I guess he’d be the guy. 

If your city was inundated with them you might feel different about that.  Just sayin'.

Not sure what you just sayin' here. If my city was inundated with what? Mentally ill individuals? If so, when I say "harmless mentally ill folks," I'm talking specially about people that have mental health disorders (autism, etc) but aren't threats to ever shoot a gun. Not the ones that are so dangerous that an involuntary commitment is needed for. 

Got it.  When I think of mentally ill I don't think of autistic people but people with serious mental conditions, schizophrenia, bipolar.  The ones I see roaming the streets and yelling at the passing cars.

I hear ya, and I think those are the type of people that Trump is talking about. But when the other poster spoke of "rounding up" people, it harkened back (for me anyway) to the Nazis who rounded up mentally and physically disabled people with no reason for it other than they were on Hitler's list of imperfect people. 

Now I wouldn't be in favor of just imprisoning every goof you see in the streets yelling at the clouds. But sometimes involuntary commitments are necessary. More often than not, they're done as way to curtail self-harm. And I think (or at least hope), this is what Trump is trying to say. That if someone makes a threat of suicide, and they could be involuntary committed for their own safety, then if someone makes a serious threat to others (like the "kill list" that the Ohio shooter), maybe they should be committed for the safety of others.

I'm pretty sure China still rounds these people up too.

I can't imagine living in a world where someone could pick up the phone and say that I am mentally unstable and then I get a knock on the door and take me away.

To me THAT is Nazis Germany type shit.  1984 type shit.

Not for me please.  The government will mess that good intention up really good.

Agreed. The best course of action is to take REAL action when there are warning signs. I keep bringing it up like a broken record, but for a high schooler to have a kill list and a rape list, that school officials knew about (and suspended him)….I just don't know how the hell that person can be able to legally buy a gun. There has to be a way for that sort of information to find it's way onto that kid's background check. This is what Trump should be pushing rather than unrealistic rhetoric about confining mentally ill people. Not everyone with a mental health disorder is a threat, and many people that have never been diagnosed are. 

juvenile protections.  theres magic that happens at 18. its as if you live 2 lives.  pre 18 doesnt follow you for all your life.

ikiT

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:mop

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

ikiT said:

August 5, 2019

WE MUST REFORM OUR MENTAL HEALTH LAWS TO BETTER IDENTIFY MENTALLY DISTURBED INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY COMMIT ACTS OF VIOLENCE AND MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE NOT ONLY GET TREATMENT BUT, WHEN NECESSARY, INVOLUNTARY CONFINEMENT. MENTAL ILLNESS AND HATRED PULLS THE... 

So he does want to round them up.

TY.

Involuntary commitment of mentally ill and dangerous individuals happens everyday. That’s different than rounding up any and all mentally ill folks like the Nazis did. I don’t think Trump meant that. But ya never know. If anyone would scapegoat harmless mentally ill folks for political reasons, I guess he’d be the guy. 

If your city was inundated with them you might feel different about that.  Just sayin'.

Not sure what you just sayin' here. If my city was inundated with what? Mentally ill individuals? If so, when I say "harmless mentally ill folks," I'm talking specially about people that have mental health disorders (autism, etc) but aren't threats to ever shoot a gun. Not the ones that are so dangerous that an involuntary commitment is needed for. 

Got it.  When I think of mentally ill I don't think of autistic people but people with serious mental conditions, schizophrenia, bipolar.  The ones I see roaming the streets and yelling at the passing cars.

I hear ya, and I think those are the type of people that Trump is talking about. But when the other poster spoke of "rounding up" people, it harkened back (for me anyway) to the Nazis who rounded up mentally and physically disabled people with no reason for it other than they were on Hitler's list of imperfect people. 

Now I wouldn't be in favor of just imprisoning every goof you see in the streets yelling at the clouds. But sometimes involuntary commitments are necessary. More often than not, they're done as way to curtail self-harm. And I think (or at least hope), this is what Trump is trying to say. That if someone makes a threat of suicide, and they could be involuntary committed for their own safety, then if someone makes a serious threat to others (like the "kill list" that the Ohio shooter), maybe they should be committed for the safety of others.

I'm pretty sure China still rounds these people up too.

I can't imagine living in a world where someone could pick up the phone and say that I am mentally unstable and then I get a knock on the door and take me away.

To me THAT is Nazis Germany type shit.  1984 type shit.

Not for me please.  The government will mess that good intention up really good.

Agreed. The best course of action is to take REAL action when there are warning signs. I keep bringing it up like a broken record, but for a high schooler to have a kill list and a rape list, that school officials knew about (and suspended him)….I just don't know how the hell that person can be able to legally buy a gun. There has to be a way for that sort of information to find it's way onto that kid's background check. This is what Trump should be pushing rather than unrealistic rhetoric about confining mentally ill people. Not everyone with a mental health disorder is a threat, and many people that have never been diagnosed are. 

juvenile protections.  theres magic that happens at 18. its as if you live 2 lives.  pre 18 doesnt follow you for all your life.

nothing does if you stay outta trouble.

Halifax2TheMax

From November 12, 2018. Hard to say we weren’t warned.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1748521002

Spiritual_Chaos

benjs

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Nothing more expected and tired than the "only the 80s output count" crowd.

This is just part of his act. If you say something that leans right politically, you didn't come up with it yourself, you're parroting something you saw on Fox News. If you don't like Metallica's albums from the 90's, you didn't come up with that opinion yourself, you're parroting the "only the 80's output count" crowd. And so on and so forth...

You can't fathom how many times I heard that exact comment on the "Metallica pre-party" before this summer's show. 

And you can't understand how fun it was to bring up Load.

"So you don't like when they started painting themselves with makeup? It was kind of cute I thought"

You should feel very proud for knowingly bringing conversations that people don't want to have to two different fanbases.

Spiritual_Chaos

benjs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Nothing more expected and tired than the "only the 80s output count" crowd.

This is just part of his act. If you say something that leans right politically, you didn't come up with it yourself, you're parroting something you saw on Fox News. If you don't like Metallica's albums from the 90's, you didn't come up with that opinion yourself, you're parroting the "only the 80's output count" crowd. And so on and so forth...

You can't fathom how many times I heard that exact comment on the "Metallica pre-party" before this summer's show. 

And you can't understand how fun it was to bring up Load.

"So you don't like when they started painting themselves with makeup? It was kind of cute I thought"

You should feel very proud for knowingly bringing conversations that people don't want to have to two different fanbases.

Be proud that I'm at least not defending beating up children in one, two, or three different fanbases.

Spiritual_Chaos

(as I would imagine Donald Trump, and some others, would)

Spiritual_Chaos

Kat

Guilty conscience much? He didn't mention the soul-eater.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/06/trump-attacks-obama-shootings-statement-1448922

Gern Blansten

It's interesting that he would suggest Bush should have (or could have) attacked Obama.  For what?  Lax gun laws?

rgambs

Taking his cues from Fox and Friends again.
Pathetic.

mrussel1

Gern Blansten said:

It's interesting that he would suggest Bush should have (or could have) attacked Obama.  For what?  Lax gun laws?

I find the friendship between teh Obamas and the Bushes very refreshing and gives me hope for humanity.