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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,930
    static111 said:
    k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?
    Depends who the Dems run.  Biden again or Hillary and I think Trump would win.  Not sure who could beat him.  Things are bad for the average swing voter/working class that voted for Biden at the risk of Trump winning term 2.  A lot of those voters are thinking about how good things were for the first three years of Trump, no supply chain issues, low inflation etc.  Now we have high inflation, supply chain issues, a new variant and though all the blame can't be heaped on Joe he is at the helm.  Trump coming back and saying remember how good it was before the democrats took over could be a good platform in 24 almost as good as vote for any democrat to keep Trump out of office was in '20.
    Disagree with a lot of this. Especially the "remember how great things were" part. The election is in three years, not three months. The problems you are citing are going to be issues for the midterms but are expected to dissipate well before 2024. By that time Biden or whoever runs will be able to tout America's Comeback.  
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,930
    can you imagine the republican primary debates? i bet most of them will end up canceled. they cannot be allowed to proceed and make trump look inferior to the other candidates.

    he did terrible in 2016, but he scored points by making fun of the people he was running against. i imagine that is going to be his strategy this time. that, and a healthy dose of "imagine how beautiful everything would be if the election had not been stolen from me, and the american people."
    Yeah if Trump runs, all the others will bow out. Except for the likes of Larry Hogan, or maybe Cheney or Kinzinger or some of the other few remaining republicans who have some semblance of decency left. There are not many, obviously, and they would all have next to no chance with that cult. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,433
    k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?
    Anyone but tRump would be good for the Dems in my opinion.  The tRumpsters won't be fired up for anyone else.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,930
    k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?
    Anyone but tRump would be good for the Dems in my opinion.  The tRumpsters won't be fired up for anyone else.
    It would also be less motivating for the anti Trump crowd, of which there are millions more. 
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    static111 said:
    k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?
    Depends who the Dems run.  Biden again or Hillary and I think Trump would win.  Not sure who could beat him.  Things are bad for the average swing voter/working class that voted for Biden at the risk of Trump winning term 2.  A lot of those voters are thinking about how good things were for the first three years of Trump, no supply chain issues, low inflation etc.  Now we have high inflation, supply chain issues, a new variant and though all the blame can't be heaped on Joe he is at the helm.  Trump coming back and saying remember how good it was before the democrats took over could be a good platform in 24 almost as good as vote for any democrat to keep Trump out of office was in '20.
    Disagree with a lot of this. Especially the "remember how great things were" part. The election is in three years, not three months. The problems you are citing are going to be issues for the midterms but are expected to dissipate well before 2024. By that time Biden or whoever runs will be able to tout America's Comeback.  
    I agree if we don't get yet another variant that causes a slow down.  A lot of things need to be sweet as apple pie by 2024 for the Dems to come from a place of strength, and with Sinema and Manchin seemingly blocking progress I just don't see that happening, especially if the R's sweep the mid terms.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?
    Anyone but tRump would be good for the Dems in my opinion.  The tRumpsters won't be fired up for anyone else.
    It would also be less motivating for the anti Trump crowd, of which there are millions more. 
    I think this is where people are underestimating things.  Among my liberal friends and those into politics sure.  For my apolitical friends that vote or for republicans, I don't think that anti Trump sentiment is anywhere near what it once was. Like I said in the previous post, if Biden and Co do clean things up before '24 I agree with you that Trump won't be a problem.  We will just have to see how it goes.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,930
    static111 said:
    k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?
    Anyone but tRump would be good for the Dems in my opinion.  The tRumpsters won't be fired up for anyone else.
    It would also be less motivating for the anti Trump crowd, of which there are millions more. 
    I think this is where people are underestimating things.  Among my liberal friends and those into politics sure.  For my apolitical friends that vote or for republicans, I don't think that anti Trump sentiment is anywhere near what it once was. Like I said in the previous post, if Biden and Co do clean things up before '24 I agree with you that Trump won't be a problem.  We will just have to see how it goes.
    Those republican friends wouldn't help the dems much anyway.

    The other folks are the ones I mentioned trying to forget Trump right now. But if he is running again, they will have no choice but be inundated with images of a twice impeached president botching and politicizing a pandemic, refusing to admit defeat, and then failing to essentially, overthrow our democracy. Advantage: whoever is running against that guy. lol
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  • if trump runs again the dems have an easier path.

    trump lost the popular vote twice. last time by 7 million votes. with the way he has carried on and refused to accept that he lost fair and square he has alienated a lot of swing voters. his actions on 1/6 have also alienated many americans. 

    i predict the only way trump has a chance is if states change voter laws to make it more difficult to vote, and dems run a candidate that keeps loyal dem voters from coming out to vote.

    trump had his chance. he lost the 2nd time around. he was impeached twice. he encouraged an insurrection. he will not win again if he runs.
    Its already happened. Not to mention the POOTWH loyalists have replaced Secretary of States or changed the law so that a simple majority of a repub legislature can contest and overthrow the result of an election. Add that POOTWH loyalists have been installed at the state district level as poll watchers, wardens and many other related type positions, you're going to see a massive voter suppression effort in 2022, as a run up and practice for 2024. Re-districting, while not having a direct impact on a statewide race, will have the impact of repub districts having plenty of voting machines and no lines while dem districts will have a shortage, or late delivery of same and very long lines. Also, watch how many dems are told to cast "provisional ballots" because they're not on the rolls or are basically told that they can't vote. Deathsantis has created a whole new department of poll watchers just for this purpose and to prevent "vast voter fraud."

    If POOTWH wants the White House again, and he surely will, as just being a candidate offers protection from the legal messes, he's in. Being in the White House for 4 more years ensures he gets away with everything. Everything. Its too late. Watch what the repubs do in 2022 after they retake the House and Senate.

    All under threat of making public the dirt he has on every rebub currently blindly and hypocritically supporting him. Gee, why can the governor of North Dakota say what he said about POOTWH and be honest about it? Maybe because he's never travelled to Moscow, a former Soviet state or another country where he could have been compromised? Y'all need to read up on Roy Cohn, POOTWH's confidant, close friend and mentor.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    trump fatigue is real though.

    if trump bows out, he is going to demand a promise from the frontrunner/potential nominee  that he will receive a full pardon, or he will not endorse the potential nominee.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    static111 said:
    k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?
    Anyone but tRump would be good for the Dems in my opinion.  The tRumpsters won't be fired up for anyone else.
    It would also be less motivating for the anti Trump crowd, of which there are millions more. 
    I think this is where people are underestimating things.  Among my liberal friends and those into politics sure.  For my apolitical friends that vote or for republicans, I don't think that anti Trump sentiment is anywhere near what it once was. Like I said in the previous post, if Biden and Co do clean things up before '24 I agree with you that Trump won't be a problem.  We will just have to see how it goes.
    Those republican friends wouldn't help the dems much anyway.

    The other folks are the ones I mentioned trying to forget Trump right now. But if he is running again, they will have no choice but be inundated with images of a twice impeached president botching and politicizing a pandemic, refusing to admit defeat, and then failing to essentially, overthrow our democracy. Advantage: whoever is running against that guy. lol
    You have more faith in the American people than I do.  In my opinion many people will view a constant barrage of negative trump ads as mudslinging and dirty politics.  Again, we will see.  Based on the ongoing voter suppression campaigns and the likelihood of R's gaining a majority at midterms I just don't have the belief it will be as cut and dried as you seem to think.   I am glad however that you seem to have a very positive attitude to the whole thing. I'm more of a doom and gloom plan for the worst type myself when it comes to these matters.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,130
    if anything, I think Trump being banned from twitter might have done him a favour with swing voters. when they can't see every hour how much a petulant loser he is, they're more likely to vote for him. 
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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,055
    if anything, I think Trump being banned from twitter might have done him a favour with swing voters. when they can't see every hour how much a petulant loser he is, they're more likely to vote for him. 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    some of these people that are devoted to trump actually believe he likes them and cares about them. his only legislative achievement was the tax cuts for the billionaires. he couldn't even repeal obamacare and "replace it with something terrific", or finish his border wall.

    these are the same people that believe that strippers are attracted to them.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    oh yeah, he also started space force. whatever the hell that is supposed to do for us...
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  • some of these people that are devoted to trump actually believe he likes them and cares about them. his only legislative achievement was the tax cuts for the billionaires. he couldn't even repeal obamacare and "replace it with something terrific", or finish his border wall.

    these are the same people that believe that strippers are attracted to them.
    They're not?
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    some of these people that are devoted to trump actually believe he likes them and cares about them. his only legislative achievement was the tax cuts for the billionaires. he couldn't even repeal obamacare and "replace it with something terrific", or finish his border wall.

    these are the same people that believe that strippers are attracted to them.
    They're not?
    sorry to report, but in most cases no.
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  • Maybe its my Narwhal mask? 
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,478


    these are the same people that believe that strippers are attracted to them.
    LOL. Coffee everywhere.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Maybe its my Narwhal mask? 
    could be.

    or it could be my whole face and general lack of cash.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    mfc2006 said:


    these are the same people that believe that strippers are attracted to them.
    LOL. Coffee everywhere.
    haha sorry man!
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,475
    some of these people that are devoted to trump actually believe he likes them and cares about them. his only legislative achievement was the tax cuts for the billionaires. he couldn't even repeal obamacare and "replace it with something terrific", or finish his border wall.

    these are the same people that believe that strippers are attracted to them.
    No kidding.  I mean strippers are not Hooters girls.  Now those girls always want to leave with me.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    some of these people that are devoted to trump actually believe he likes them and cares about them. his only legislative achievement was the tax cuts for the billionaires. he couldn't even repeal obamacare and "replace it with something terrific", or finish his border wall.

    these are the same people that believe that strippers are attracted to them.
    No kidding.  I mean strippers are not Hooters girls.  Now those girls always want to leave with me.
    they always seemed more datable than strippers.

    once, in my early 20s, i believed a hooters girl was really attracted to me.....

    she wasn't.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,433
    Hooters girls are old sea hags. Twin Peaks girls are the new thing.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,930
    edited January 2022
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?
    Anyone but tRump would be good for the Dems in my opinion.  The tRumpsters won't be fired up for anyone else.
    It would also be less motivating for the anti Trump crowd, of which there are millions more. 
    I think this is where people are underestimating things.  Among my liberal friends and those into politics sure.  For my apolitical friends that vote or for republicans, I don't think that anti Trump sentiment is anywhere near what it once was. Like I said in the previous post, if Biden and Co do clean things up before '24 I agree with you that Trump won't be a problem.  We will just have to see how it goes.
    Those republican friends wouldn't help the dems much anyway.

    The other folks are the ones I mentioned trying to forget Trump right now. But if he is running again, they will have no choice but be inundated with images of a twice impeached president botching and politicizing a pandemic, refusing to admit defeat, and then failing to essentially, overthrow our democracy. Advantage: whoever is running against that guy. lol
    You have more faith in the American people than I do.  In my opinion many people will view a constant barrage of negative trump ads as mudslinging and dirty politics.  Again, we will see.  Based on the ongoing voter suppression campaigns and the likelihood of R's gaining a majority at midterms I just don't have the belief it will be as cut and dried as you seem to think.   I am glad however that you seem to have a very positive attitude to the whole thing. I'm more of a doom and gloom plan for the worst type myself when it comes to these matters.
    Didn't you also really believe Trump was going to win last year?

    The one point in your post that I think we have to be most concerned about is the voter suppression stuff and new bogus laws that have come into place the last year. That is why I have been saying that saving our democracy trumps literally any other issue right now. Without safeguarding that, nothing else matters.
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    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,478
    mfc2006 said:


    these are the same people that believe that strippers are attracted to them.
    LOL. Coffee everywhere.
    haha sorry man!
    No worries! I needed that laugh, I think.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:


    these are the same people that believe that strippers are attracted to them.
    LOL. Coffee everywhere.
    haha sorry man!
    No worries! I needed that laugh, I think.
    happy to oblige. lol
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,130
    oh yeah, he also started space force. whatever the hell that is supposed to do for us...
    would have changed the plot of Don't Look Up quite dramatically I think. 
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • 09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

    Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.

    Brilliantati©
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