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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,196
    mickeyrat said:
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/06/politics/stephanie-grisham-trump-officials-meeting-cnntv/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_source=fbCNN&utm_content=2022-01-06T15:45:11&fbclid=IwAR020627hJasnFN7vQKrhC11fBVOGzkZeFnUB1s1om9k2qLlVtAdyTK7dEw

    This could be big....or it could be a giant pile of shit

    Grisham said she is personally hoping to "travel the country and talk to people who are believers like I once was" and "explain who (Trump) really is," also calling the former President a "master manipulator."



    She said that she did not know who specifically spoke with Trump on January 6 to try to get him to stop the violence, except that Melania Trump did not try and plead with her husband.
    "All I know about that day is he was in the dining room, gleefully watching on his TV, as he often did. 'Look at all of the people fighting for me,' hitting rewind, watching it again. That's what I know," Grisham said.

    so he was apparently doing the whole "fat dimestore nero" thing. why am i not surprised?
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,372
    I just spoke with a client who's the most disillusioned Trump supporter I think I have ever encountered. An otherwise really sweet old lady but she kept saying that the communists are going to raise interest rates because the economy is so bad (had to explain that rates were so low the last couple years because the economy was shit, rates are rising now because the economy is improving). She was talking about how great everything was before Trump left office (had to remind her about the pandemic and recession he left us with). She was so happy Trump gave her money towards the end of his term and she used that to pay off her car (had to explain to her that check came from the Covid relief package congress passed and Trump reluctantly signed and then just put his name on the checks---also don't most "conservatives" despise gov handouts?--didn't actually say that last one lol). And she is really hoping that God is going to make everything right and put Trump back in office asap.

    It was actually really fun to nicely and patiently tell her she was dead wrong on literally everything she was saying. Also, her current rate is 5.875% and she got it back in 2005. So I'm assuming, based on her logic, that she thinks were were under a communist regime back then. 

    Anyway....nice old lady regardless. Hopefully she is happy with the over 3% lower rate she somehow was able to obtain during the current communist regime. 




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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,044
    I just spoke with a client who's the most disillusioned Trump supporter I think I have ever encountered. An otherwise really sweet old lady but she kept saying that the communists are going to raise interest rates because the economy is so bad (had to explain that rates were so low the last couple years because the economy was shit, rates are rising now because the economy is improving). She was talking about how great everything was before Trump left office (had to remind her about the pandemic and recession he left us with). She was so happy Trump gave her money towards the end of his term and she used that to pay off her car (had to explain to her that check came from the Covid relief package congress passed and Trump reluctantly signed and then just put his name on the checks---also don't most "conservatives" despise gov handouts?--didn't actually say that last one lol). And she is really hoping that God is going to make everything right and put Trump back in office asap.

    It was actually really fun to nicely and patiently tell her she was dead wrong on literally everything she was saying. Also, her current rate is 5.875% and she got it back in 2005. So I'm assuming, based on her logic, that she thinks were were under a communist regime back then. 

    Anyway....nice old lady regardless. Hopefully she is happy with the over 3% lower rate she somehow was able to obtain during the current communist regime. 




    I've got similar stories...little old ladies that collect social security, use medicare, pay little to no federal tax yet they are being taxed to death and big government is evil.
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
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    I just spoke with a client who's the most disillusioned Trump supporter I think I have ever encountered. An otherwise really sweet old lady but she kept saying that the communists are going to raise interest rates because the economy is so bad (had to explain that rates were so low the last couple years because the economy was shit, rates are rising now because the economy is improving). She was talking about how great everything was before Trump left office (had to remind her about the pandemic and recession he left us with). She was so happy Trump gave her money towards the end of his term and she used that to pay off her car (had to explain to her that check came from the Covid relief package congress passed and Trump reluctantly signed and then just put his name on the checks---also don't most "conservatives" despise gov handouts?--didn't actually say that last one lol). And she is really hoping that God is going to make everything right and put Trump back in office asap.

    It was actually really fun to nicely and patiently tell her she was dead wrong on literally everything she was saying. Also, her current rate is 5.875% and she got it back in 2005. So I'm assuming, based on her logic, that she thinks were were under a communist regime back then. 

    Anyway....nice old lady regardless. Hopefully she is happy with the over 3% lower rate she somehow was able to obtain during the current communist regime. 




    I've got similar stories...little old ladies that collect social security, use medicare, pay little to no federal tax yet they are being taxed to death and big government is evil.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,044
    Really though....is there a bigger socialist program other than Social Security/Medicare?

    To rely almost completely on those programs yet vote against democrats because they are "socialist communist marxist" just blows my mind
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    Really though....is there a bigger socialist program other than Social Security/Medicare?

    To rely almost completely on those programs yet vote against democrats because they are "socialist communist marxist" just blows my mind
    Its "socialist communist marxist" because it also goes to the other, and everyone knows the "other" doesn't work or contribute.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,723
    Really though....is there a bigger socialist program other than Social Security/Medicare?

    To rely almost completely on those programs yet vote against democrats because they are "socialist communist marxist" just blows my mind
    Its "socialist communist marxist" because it also goes to the other, and everyone knows the "other" doesn't work or contribute.
    That's really what it is.  It's the 'freeloaders" that are the problem, not me. 
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,196
    trump is the republican party, and the republican party is trump


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    jpgoegeljpgoegel Posts: 410
    only two (R) that were present for the moment of silence for the fallen capital officers, that's a pretty sad statement
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,931
    i really hate "both sidesing" things, but the left side doesn't look overly populated either. I'd be happy to be wrong about that. 
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,713
    Really though....is there a bigger socialist program other than Social Security/Medicare?

    To rely almost completely on those programs yet vote against democrats because they are "socialist communist marxist" just blows my mind

    The military is a close third, which I always find amusing when chest thumping patriots criticize government spending as "Socialism".
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,044
    Really though....is there a bigger socialist program other than Social Security/Medicare?

    To rely almost completely on those programs yet vote against democrats because they are "socialist communist marxist" just blows my mind

    The military is a close third, which I always find amusing when chest thumping patriots criticize government spending as "Socialism".
    True...they have the only true socialist (gov't employee) health care in the US
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    edited January 2022
    Really though....is there a bigger socialist program other than Social Security/Medicare?

    To rely almost completely on those programs yet vote against democrats because they are "socialist communist marxist" just blows my mind

    The military is a close third, which I always find amusing when chest thumping patriots criticize government spending as "Socialism".
    True...they have the only true socialist (gov't employee) health care in the US
    To be the devil’s advocate, the veteran healthcare system is known for being quite shitty.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,044
    edited January 2022
    PJPOWER said:
    Really though....is there a bigger socialist program other than Social Security/Medicare?

    To rely almost completely on those programs yet vote against democrats because they are "socialist communist marxist" just blows my mind

    The military is a close third, which I always find amusing when chest thumping patriots criticize government spending as "Socialism".
    True...they have the only true socialist (gov't employee) health care in the US
    To be the devil’s advocate, the veteran healthcare system is known for being quite shitty.
    no shittier than mine

    you have to remember that the people that complain about it have likely not experience much of the system for the rest of us

    I have heard complaints too but some of those include their prescription deductibles going from $5 to $7
    Post edited by Gern Blansten on
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,931
    prediction: Parlor Part Deux
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    prediction: Parlor Part Deux
    I don't know if they'll try and conduct a coup on this platform but hey, ya never know right?
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    PJPOWER said:
    Really though....is there a bigger socialist program other than Social Security/Medicare?

    To rely almost completely on those programs yet vote against democrats because they are "socialist communist marxist" just blows my mind

    The military is a close third, which I always find amusing when chest thumping patriots criticize government spending as "Socialism".
    True...they have the only true socialist (gov't employee) health care in the US
    To be the devil’s advocate, the veteran healthcare system is known for being quite shitty.
    no shittier than mine

    you have to remember that the people that complain about it have likely not experience much of the system for the rest of us

    I have heard complaints too but some of those include their prescription deductibles going from $5 to $7
    The main complaints I hear are about long waits for important surgeries and a bogged down system with piss poor treatment.  Insurance costs aside, I usually get pretty prompt treatment when needed with my non-veteran healthcare.  My grandfather was a victim of the shitty veteran healthcare system and died waiting for a heart surgery that would have been done within a week in the regular healthcare system. Since he had to use the veteran system, he had to wait 3 months and had a massive heart attack that ended his life.  Granted, that was back in the 90s, but every veteran I know still complains about the quality of care and treatment.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,723
    edited January 2022
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Really though....is there a bigger socialist program other than Social Security/Medicare?

    To rely almost completely on those programs yet vote against democrats because they are "socialist communist marxist" just blows my mind

    The military is a close third, which I always find amusing when chest thumping patriots criticize government spending as "Socialism".
    True...they have the only true socialist (gov't employee) health care in the US
    To be the devil’s advocate, the veteran healthcare system is known for being quite shitty.
    no shittier than mine

    you have to remember that the people that complain about it have likely not experience much of the system for the rest of us

    I have heard complaints too but some of those include their prescription deductibles going from $5 to $7
    The main complaints I hear are about long waits for important surgeries and a bogged down system with piss poor treatment.  Insurance costs aside, I usually get pretty prompt treatment when needed with my non-veteran healthcare.  My grandfather was a victim of the shitty veteran healthcare system and died waiting for a heart surgery that would have been done within a week in the regular healthcare system. Since he had to use the veteran system, he had to wait 3 months and had a massive heart attack that ended his life.  Granted, that was back in the 90s, but every veteran I know still complains about the quality of care and treatment.
    This is the example of what true gov't healthcare would look like in this country.  I'm a fan of giving people the option to purchase medicare.  I'm not a fan of removing the profit motive for doctors and hospitals.  I'm perfectly okay with doctors being some of the highest paid professionals in this country.  I want the smartest person going to med school.  
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,044
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Really though....is there a bigger socialist program other than Social Security/Medicare?

    To rely almost completely on those programs yet vote against democrats because they are "socialist communist marxist" just blows my mind

    The military is a close third, which I always find amusing when chest thumping patriots criticize government spending as "Socialism".
    True...they have the only true socialist (gov't employee) health care in the US
    To be the devil’s advocate, the veteran healthcare system is known for being quite shitty.
    no shittier than mine

    you have to remember that the people that complain about it have likely not experience much of the system for the rest of us

    I have heard complaints too but some of those include their prescription deductibles going from $5 to $7
    The main complaints I hear are about long waits for important surgeries and a bogged down system with piss poor treatment.  Insurance costs aside, I usually get pretty prompt treatment when needed with my non-veteran healthcare.  My grandfather was a victim of the shitty veteran healthcare system and died waiting for a heart surgery that would have been done within a week in the regular healthcare system. Since he had to use the veteran system, he had to wait 3 months and had a massive heart attack that ended his life.  Granted, that was back in the 90s, but every veteran I know still complains about the quality of care and treatment.
    This is the example of what true gov't healthcare would look like in this country.  I'm a fan of giving people the option to purchase medicare.  I'm not a fan of removing the profit motive for doctors and hospitals.  I'm perfectly okay with doctors being some of the highest paid professionals in this country.  I want the smartest person going to med school.  
    I'm good with doctors getting paid well....not insurance executives
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Really though....is there a bigger socialist program other than Social Security/Medicare?

    To rely almost completely on those programs yet vote against democrats because they are "socialist communist marxist" just blows my mind

    The military is a close third, which I always find amusing when chest thumping patriots criticize government spending as "Socialism".
    True...they have the only true socialist (gov't employee) health care in the US
    To be the devil’s advocate, the veteran healthcare system is known for being quite shitty.
    no shittier than mine

    you have to remember that the people that complain about it have likely not experience much of the system for the rest of us

    I have heard complaints too but some of those include their prescription deductibles going from $5 to $7
    The main complaints I hear are about long waits for important surgeries and a bogged down system with piss poor treatment.  Insurance costs aside, I usually get pretty prompt treatment when needed with my non-veteran healthcare.  My grandfather was a victim of the shitty veteran healthcare system and died waiting for a heart surgery that would have been done within a week in the regular healthcare system. Since he had to use the veteran system, he had to wait 3 months and had a massive heart attack that ended his life.  Granted, that was back in the 90s, but every veteran I know still complains about the quality of care and treatment.
    This is the example of what true gov't healthcare would look like in this country.  I'm a fan of giving people the option to purchase medicare.  I'm not a fan of removing the profit motive for doctors and hospitals.  I'm perfectly okay with doctors being some of the highest paid professionals in this country.  I want the smartest person going to med school.  
    I'm good with doctors getting paid well....not insurance executives
    I'm good even with them being paid well if they were providing a valuable service.  But it is clear their only job is to make the parent company money and not provide a valuable service to the end consumer.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,713
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Really though....is there a bigger socialist program other than Social Security/Medicare?

    To rely almost completely on those programs yet vote against democrats because they are "socialist communist marxist" just blows my mind

    The military is a close third, which I always find amusing when chest thumping patriots criticize government spending as "Socialism".
    True...they have the only true socialist (gov't employee) health care in the US
    To be the devil’s advocate, the veteran healthcare system is known for being quite shitty.
    no shittier than mine

    you have to remember that the people that complain about it have likely not experience much of the system for the rest of us

    I have heard complaints too but some of those include their prescription deductibles going from $5 to $7
    The main complaints I hear are about long waits for important surgeries and a bogged down system with piss poor treatment.  Insurance costs aside, I usually get pretty prompt treatment when needed with my non-veteran healthcare.  My grandfather was a victim of the shitty veteran healthcare system and died waiting for a heart surgery that would have been done within a week in the regular healthcare system. Since he had to use the veteran system, he had to wait 3 months and had a massive heart attack that ended his life.  Granted, that was back in the 90s, but every veteran I know still complains about the quality of care and treatment.
    This is the example of what true gov't healthcare would look like in this country.  I'm a fan of giving people the option to purchase medicare.  I'm not a fan of removing the profit motive for doctors and hospitals.  I'm perfectly okay with doctors being some of the highest paid professionals in this country.  I want the smartest person going to med school.  
    But since we’re the greatest country in the world, certainly we could do as good or better than the 20+ other western countries who have a single payer system. 
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,723
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Really though....is there a bigger socialist program other than Social Security/Medicare?

    To rely almost completely on those programs yet vote against democrats because they are "socialist communist marxist" just blows my mind

    The military is a close third, which I always find amusing when chest thumping patriots criticize government spending as "Socialism".
    True...they have the only true socialist (gov't employee) health care in the US
    To be the devil’s advocate, the veteran healthcare system is known for being quite shitty.
    no shittier than mine

    you have to remember that the people that complain about it have likely not experience much of the system for the rest of us

    I have heard complaints too but some of those include their prescription deductibles going from $5 to $7
    The main complaints I hear are about long waits for important surgeries and a bogged down system with piss poor treatment.  Insurance costs aside, I usually get pretty prompt treatment when needed with my non-veteran healthcare.  My grandfather was a victim of the shitty veteran healthcare system and died waiting for a heart surgery that would have been done within a week in the regular healthcare system. Since he had to use the veteran system, he had to wait 3 months and had a massive heart attack that ended his life.  Granted, that was back in the 90s, but every veteran I know still complains about the quality of care and treatment.
    This is the example of what true gov't healthcare would look like in this country.  I'm a fan of giving people the option to purchase medicare.  I'm not a fan of removing the profit motive for doctors and hospitals.  I'm perfectly okay with doctors being some of the highest paid professionals in this country.  I want the smartest person going to med school.  
    But since we’re the greatest country in the world, certainly we could do as good or better than the 20+ other western countries who have a single payer system. 
    I'd argue that our standard of care and research side meet our exceed the other 20+ countries with single payer.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,196
    lol trump got banned from twitter a year ago today.

    i remember because a year ago operation warp speed pivoted to become trump quickly creating multiple new accounts to get tweets out before twitter could catch him.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,741
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,044
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,372
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    He is a petty, grievance filled, small man. But for anyone who thinks we need to ignore him, you really need to read this whole article and listen to the whole interview. He's really exposed here as a fraud who still, after over a year, cannot articulate how the election was stolen from him despite convincing 50 million people or so that it was. Unfortunately the people in his cult will never read or listen to this and, even if they did, their minds likely will not be changed. But any rational human being should be able to see right through him.

    I think this is also a good case study as to why he would be a great candidate if you want the dems to stay in power. Maybe the reason his approval numbers have grown over the last year is that the folks not in his cult have tried to ignore him. And it has been easier with him off twitter and only doing easy interviews with Candace Owens, Newsmax and Sean Hannity. But this is like the first real interview he's done since that Chris Wallace disaster (man, woman, camera, etc etc etc). So if he does run, the media absolutely needs to hold him accountable exactly the way this guy does as Trump simply cannot handle real honest questions. 

    https://www.npr.org/2022/01/12/1072204478/donald-trump-npr-interview-presidential-election-lies-vaccines

    Pressed on his election lies, former President Trump cuts NPR interview short

    Some Republican leaders are trying to move on from former President Donald Trump's failed attempt to overturn the 2020 election that he lost.

    "While there were some irregularities, there were none of the irregularities which would have risen to the point where they would have changed the vote outcome in a single state," Sen. Mike Rounds, R-S.D., said Sunday on ABC's This Week. "The election was fair, as fair as we have seen. We simply did not win the election, as Republicans, for the presidency. And if we simply look back and tell our people don't vote because there's cheating going on, then we're going to put ourselves in a huge disadvantage."

    But Trump — who has endorsed dozens of candidates for the 2022 midterm elections and still holds by far the widest influence within the GOP — is trying hard not to let them move on.

    "No, I think it's an advantage, because otherwise they're going to do it again in '22 and '24, and Rounds is wrong on that. Totally wrong," Trump told NPR in an interview Tuesday, referring to his false and debunked claims that the 2020 election was stolen.

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    The interview was six years in the making. Trump and his team have repeatedly declined interviews with NPR until Tuesday, when he called in from his home in Florida. It was scheduled for 15 minutes, but lasted just over nine.

    After being pressed about his repeated lies about the 2020 presidential election, Trump abruptly ended the interview.

    Read NPRs full interview with former President Donald Trump


    Trump's mixed messages on getting vaccinated

    The interview began with the pandemic and vaccinations.

    Trump, whose administration oversaw the development of the COVID-19 vaccines, recommended that people get vaccinated but said he's firmly against mandating that they do so.

    "[T]he mandate is really hurting our country," Trump claimed, adding, "A lot of Americans aren't standing for it, and it's hurting our country."

    He continued, "The vaccines, I recommend taking them, but I think that has to be an individual choice. I mean, it's got to be individual, but I recommend taking them."

    The opposition to mandates is popular with Republicans, and the Supreme Court is currently weighing the Biden administration's vaccine-or-test mandate for large employers. But his comments come during the record omicron surge, as the unvaccinated are far more likely to be hospitalized or die from the disease, and as Republicans are far more likely to be unvaccinated.

    Epidemiologists and health experts warn that if more people don't get vaccinated and the virus continues to morph, it could prolong the pandemic — and delay any sense of getting back to normal.

    The former president said he wants to see therapeutics, used to treat the virus after someone is infected, produced and distributed more widely.


    Trump's firm grip on the Republican Party, but tenuous grasp on reality

    Trump is not just any former president.

    Even many members of his own party have blamed him for inciting the deadly Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, but since then Trump has only tightened his grip on the GOP.

    He remains one of the most popular figures in the Republican Party and is considered the front-runner for the 2024 presidential nomination, if he decides to run again.

    When he ran in 2016, Trump was seen as having a shoestring campaign, fighting an uphill battle with few allies among Republican elected leaders.

    Today, it's a different story. Trump's political organization has become a juggernaut. Not only are most Republican elected leaders falling in line, but he has also installed allies controlling many levers of political power across the country. In state after state, Trump allies are running local Republican parties, serving as state representatives and in charge of political action committees.

    It's a political army ready to be mobilized at his beck and call. What he says — what his message is to them — matters because they follow.

    Imagine another American Civil War but this time in every state


    To secure his power, he will do whatever he can to cast aside those who don't show fealty. That includes threats, bullying and intimidation, like badgering and name-calling.

    Referring to South Dakota's Rounds in a statement after he appeared on ABC, for example, Trump said Rounds "just went woke," called him a "jerk," "weak," "ineffective" and questioned whether he was "crazy or just stupid."

    He also called him a RINO, an acronym for an insult some conservatives reserve for more moderate Republicans they disagree with — Republicans in name only.

    In the interview with NPR, he partially blamed Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell for Rounds and other senators feeling as though they can speak out and say — correctly — that Trump lost the election.

    "Because Mitch McConnell is a loser," Trump said.

    Trump has called McConnell worse — and all because the Kentucky Republican has crossed Trump, blaming him for the insurrection on Jan. 6 and saying President Biden won, even if McConnell doesn't do so forcefully every day.

    It's par for the course for Trump, who has demanded unflinching loyalty — and who chafes at truths he disagrees with, especially about him losing.

    Trump has blasted Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, all because the Kentucky Republican has crossed the former president.

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    Won't accept losing an election he lost

    Many Republicans prefer to focus on Biden as this year's congressional elections approach. Trump is pressing candidates in a different direction.

    Josh Mandel, a pro-Trump Republican from Ohio, launched his campaign for U.S. Senate just weeks after Trump supporters attacked the U.S. Capitol last year.

    "I think over time we're gonna see studies come out that [show] evidence of widespread fraud," Mandel, a former state treasurer who is angling for Trump's endorsement, told WKYC-TV.

    In the year since Mandel made that prediction, the opposite has happened.

    Even more evidence shows a free and fair election.

    In one disputed state, Arizona, Trump allies held a widely criticized review of millions of ballots, but even Doug Logan, who led Cyber Ninjas, the firm that ran the review, couldn't find much.

    "The ballots that were provided to us to count in the Coliseum very accurately correlate with the official canvass numbers," Logan said.

    As he does with any information or person he doesn't like or disagrees with, Trump dismissed the findings in the NPR interview.

    "Lying or delusional"

    In the interview, Trump repeated a number of false claims about voting systems in the U.S., including that the discredited GOP-led ballot review in Arizona showed evidence of malfeasance — despite the fact that it also reaffirmed Biden's victory.

    Republican officials in Maricopa County, however, debunked the characterizations of Trump and his allies in a 93-page rebuttal issued last week.

    "The people who have spent the last year proclaiming our free and fair elections are rigged are lying or delusional," said Bill Gates, the GOP chair of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors.

    Asked why even Republicans in the state accepted the findings, Trump reverted to an old attack.

    "Because they're RINOs," he said, "and frankly, a lot of people are questioning that."

    Congress may change this arcane law to avoid another Jan 6

    Tammy Patrick, a former Maricopa County election official and now an elections expert at Democracy Fund, was presented by NPR with a number of Trump's claims about voting and noted that in the 14 months since the election, no proof of any of his claims has come to light.

    "It hasn't been presented in any of the courts. It hasn't been surfaced in any official election audits, not by the Department of Justice, not by the FBI," Patrick said. "Allegations of fraud hinge upon being able to produce actual instances of fraud — not merely thoughts, feelings or beliefs about it."

    To Republicans who know how elections work, the election has always been obvious.

    "The facts show that it was President Biden who won fair and square," said Trey Grayson, who used to run elections as the Republican secretary of state in Kentucky. "It wasn't rigged."

    He's thinking about those Republican T-shirts that said, "F*** your feelings."

    "And here we are looking at the 2020 election," Grayson said, "and we are the ones who are basing it on feelings, not on facts, not on the law."


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