Donald Trump

Ledbetterman10

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

At least there’s a shout out to Canada, today being Canada day and all.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/donald-trump-japan-press-conference-busing/index.html

We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump. 
 

Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general. 

Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy. 

I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over." 

But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault. 

That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.

I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this. 

oftenreading

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

At least there’s a shout out to Canada, today being Canada day and all.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/donald-trump-japan-press-conference-busing/index.html

We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump. 
 

Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general. 

Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy. 

I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over." 

But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault. 

That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.

I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this. 

I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.

Ledbetterman10

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

At least there’s a shout out to Canada, today being Canada day and all.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/donald-trump-japan-press-conference-busing/index.html

We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump. 
 

Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general. 

Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy. 

I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over." 

But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault. 

That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.

I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this. 

I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.

You're saying the climate in the WH affects states legislatures. I suggested that Trump's reach may compel a legislature like Alabama's to do what they've done. 

mrussel1

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

At least there’s a shout out to Canada, today being Canada day and all.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/donald-trump-japan-press-conference-busing/index.html

We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump. 
 

Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general. 

Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy. 

I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over." 

But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault. 

That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.

I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this. 

I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.

You're saying the climate in the WH affects states legislatures. I suggested that Trump's reach may compel a legislature like Alabama's to do what they've done. 

I think that's right.  Trump has been stand off on abortion issues, as an example, and also obviously nominated two pro life judges.  It stands to reason that the legislatures in LA, MO, and AL have taken this opportunity to pass some fairly draconian laws that seek to punish both doctor and woman.  I would disagree with you pretty dramatically when you say that his policies, or tacit support of policies doesn't hurt any rational American.  For a white male like me, one in his 40's, that's probably true.  For a woman, a person under DACA, low income Americans, etc., I think there have been some pretty negative effects of his presidency.  

Ledbetterman10

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

At least there’s a shout out to Canada, today being Canada day and all.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/donald-trump-japan-press-conference-busing/index.html

We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump. 
 

Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general. 

Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy. 

I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over." 

But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault. 

That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.

I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this. 

I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.

You're saying the climate in the WH affects states legislatures. I suggested that Trump's reach may compel a legislature like Alabama's to do what they've done. 

I think that's right.  Trump has been stand off on abortion issues, as an example, and also obviously nominated two pro life judges.  It stands to reason that the legislatures in LA, MO, and AL have taken this opportunity to pass some fairly draconian laws that seek to punish both doctor and woman.  I would disagree with you pretty dramatically when you say that his policies, or tacit support of policies doesn't hurt any rational American.  For a white male like me, one in his 40's, that's probably true.  For a woman, a person under DACA, low income Americans, etc., I think there have been some pretty negative effects of his presidency.  

I don't necessarily disagree with the part I bolded. The policies of every president affect people differently, and many are affected negatively. It's really the pompous wording of oftenreading's comment that made me respond. His/her comment was...

 "We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump." 

That's too blanket of a statement. People, like the groups you mentioned (throw LGBTQ in there as well), that may feel targeted or marginalized under the Trump administration, I can totally understand their unhappiness and wouldn't call that irrational. But for someone that doesn't belong to any of those groups, while I can see them being unhappy that Trump's the president because he's horrible, I don't see how they can be unhappy in general, like day-to-day, due to Trump being the president. 

mrussel1

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

At least there’s a shout out to Canada, today being Canada day and all.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/donald-trump-japan-press-conference-busing/index.html

We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump. 
 

Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general. 

Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy. 

I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over." 

But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault. 

That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.

I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this. 

I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.

You're saying the climate in the WH affects states legislatures. I suggested that Trump's reach may compel a legislature like Alabama's to do what they've done. 

I think that's right.  Trump has been stand off on abortion issues, as an example, and also obviously nominated two pro life judges.  It stands to reason that the legislatures in LA, MO, and AL have taken this opportunity to pass some fairly draconian laws that seek to punish both doctor and woman.  I would disagree with you pretty dramatically when you say that his policies, or tacit support of policies doesn't hurt any rational American.  For a white male like me, one in his 40's, that's probably true.  For a woman, a person under DACA, low income Americans, etc., I think there have been some pretty negative effects of his presidency.  

I don't necessarily disagree with the part I bolded. The policies of every president affect people differently, and many are affected negatively. It's really the pompous wording of oftenreading's comment that made me respond. His/her comment was...

 "We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump." 

That's too blanket of a statement. People, like the groups you mentioned (throw LGBTQ in there as well), that may feel targeted or marginalized under the Trump administration, I can totally understand their unhappiness and wouldn't call that irrational. But for someone that doesn't belong to any of those groups, while I can see them being unhappy that Trump's the president because he's horrible, I don't see how they can be unhappy in general, like day-to-day, due to Trump being the president. 

Don't take this the wrong way, but that's what empathy is, by definition.  It's the ability to identify with another's situation.  So while the migrant situation may not directly affect me, as an example, it's totally rational and humane to empathize with their situation and feel terrible about it.  In fact, one could argue the inability or lack of empathy for the various groups have been harmed is inhumane, un-Christian, etc.  

josevolution

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1146068975350009856?s=21
If he’s so innocent you’d think he would welcome Muller testimony just so the whole world can hear how the Baffoon is totally exonerated ..

Ledbetterman10

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

At least there’s a shout out to Canada, today being Canada day and all.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/donald-trump-japan-press-conference-busing/index.html

We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump. 
 

Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general. 

Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy. 

I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over." 

But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault. 

That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.

I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this. 

I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.

You're saying the climate in the WH affects states legislatures. I suggested that Trump's reach may compel a legislature like Alabama's to do what they've done. 

I think that's right.  Trump has been stand off on abortion issues, as an example, and also obviously nominated two pro life judges.  It stands to reason that the legislatures in LA, MO, and AL have taken this opportunity to pass some fairly draconian laws that seek to punish both doctor and woman.  I would disagree with you pretty dramatically when you say that his policies, or tacit support of policies doesn't hurt any rational American.  For a white male like me, one in his 40's, that's probably true.  For a woman, a person under DACA, low income Americans, etc., I think there have been some pretty negative effects of his presidency.  

I don't necessarily disagree with the part I bolded. The policies of every president affect people differently, and many are affected negatively. It's really the pompous wording of oftenreading's comment that made me respond. His/her comment was...

 "We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump." 

That's too blanket of a statement. People, like the groups you mentioned (throw LGBTQ in there as well), that may feel targeted or marginalized under the Trump administration, I can totally understand their unhappiness and wouldn't call that irrational. But for someone that doesn't belong to any of those groups, while I can see them being unhappy that Trump's the president because he's horrible, I don't see how they can be unhappy in general, like day-to-day, due to Trump being the president. 

Don't take this the wrong way, but that's what empathy is, by definition.  It's the ability to identify with another's situation.  So while the migrant situation may not directly affect me, as an example, it's totally rational and humane to empathize with their situation and feel terrible about it.  In fact, one could argue the inability or lack of empathy for the various groups have been harmed is inhumane, un-Christian, etc.  

I know what empathy is, and while I probably don't come off as it, I'm very empathetic towards people that were dealt a way worse hand than I have (being a heterosexual, white, male from Pennsylvania). But when you say you feel terrible about the migrant situation for example. I'm sure you do. As many do. But you're not walking around suffering from depression over it. You see a report on the news, get angry because it angers you, but you're over it until the next time you're discussing it or reading/watching a report on it. Aren't you? Because I could be wrong about you specially. But I think in general, you can be empathetic towards people and understand what they're going through, without it hurting your own personal overall happiness. You know what I mean? I'm struggling to word this or give good examples. Like, going back to the migrant situation that you empathize with and feel terrible about. There's way worse situations all over the world. Children sold into sex slavery, etc. I know you emphasize and feel terrible for them too, as I do, but it's not affecting our day-to-day mood or happiness. If that makes any sense. 

mrussel1

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

At least there’s a shout out to Canada, today being Canada day and all.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/donald-trump-japan-press-conference-busing/index.html

We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump. 
 

Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general. 

Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy. 

I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over." 

But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault. 

That's a naive view, in my opinion. The climate in the WH certainly affects that of the states' legislatures. The states know they have tacit approval to pass extremely restrictive abortion laws, without push back from the WH. They know that the deck is being stacked with anti-choice at the Supreme Court level, with the prospect of overturning federal law. The WH is even pushing its anti-choice agenda internationally, with its push at the UN to veto bills on provision of reproductive health services in conflict zones and its refusal to fund any health initiatives that include a component of reproductive health, just in case that should also fund abortions.

I just bolded the part where I already acknowledged this. 

I don't see that as the same as what I'm saying.

You're saying the climate in the WH affects states legislatures. I suggested that Trump's reach may compel a legislature like Alabama's to do what they've done. 

I think that's right.  Trump has been stand off on abortion issues, as an example, and also obviously nominated two pro life judges.  It stands to reason that the legislatures in LA, MO, and AL have taken this opportunity to pass some fairly draconian laws that seek to punish both doctor and woman.  I would disagree with you pretty dramatically when you say that his policies, or tacit support of policies doesn't hurt any rational American.  For a white male like me, one in his 40's, that's probably true.  For a woman, a person under DACA, low income Americans, etc., I think there have been some pretty negative effects of his presidency.  

I don't necessarily disagree with the part I bolded. The policies of every president affect people differently, and many are affected negatively. It's really the pompous wording of oftenreading's comment that made me respond. His/her comment was...

 "We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump." 

That's too blanket of a statement. People, like the groups you mentioned (throw LGBTQ in there as well), that may feel targeted or marginalized under the Trump administration, I can totally understand their unhappiness and wouldn't call that irrational. But for someone that doesn't belong to any of those groups, while I can see them being unhappy that Trump's the president because he's horrible, I don't see how they can be unhappy in general, like day-to-day, due to Trump being the president. 

Don't take this the wrong way, but that's what empathy is, by definition.  It's the ability to identify with another's situation.  So while the migrant situation may not directly affect me, as an example, it's totally rational and humane to empathize with their situation and feel terrible about it.  In fact, one could argue the inability or lack of empathy for the various groups have been harmed is inhumane, un-Christian, etc.  

I know what empathy is, and while I probably don't come off as it, I'm very empathetic towards people that were dealt a way worse hand than I have (being a heterosexual, white, male from Pennsylvania). But when you say you feel terrible about the migrant situation for example. I'm sure you do. As many do. But you're not walking around suffering from depression over it. You see a report on the news, get angry because it angers you, but you're over it until the next time you're discussing it or reading/watching a report on it. Aren't you? Because I could be wrong about you specially. But I think in general, you can be empathetic towards people and understand what they're going through, without it hurting your own personal overall happiness. You know what I mean? I'm struggling to word this or give good examples. Like, going back to the migrant situation that you empathize with and feel terrible about. There's way worse situations all over the world. Children sold into sex slavery, etc. I know you emphasize and feel terrible for them too, as I do, but it's not affecting our day-to-day mood or happiness. If that makes any sense. 

It makes sense.  And I guess it's a question of 'degrees' of sadness or unhappiness.  Certainly I'm not in therapy due to Trump.  If someone is, due to their empathy, then there are probably more deeply seeded issue than a GOP president.  Trump's policies piss me off and make me wonder what happened to our republic.  It makes me get involved and spur to action.  Which is a bit different than sex slaves around the world.  I can't do much about that, without leaving my family behind.  So it affects me, but it doesn't destroy my world.  So again, I think it's how each of you (you and often reading) are defining the emotions.  

Ledbetterman10

mrussel1 said:

It makes sense.  And I guess it's a question of 'degrees' of sadness or unhappiness.  Certainly I'm not in therapy due to Trump.  If someone is, due to their empathy, then there are probably more deeply seeded issue than a GOP president.  Trump's policies piss me off and make me wonder what happened to our republic.  It makes me get involved and spur to action.  Which is a bit different than sex slaves around the world.  I can't do much about that, without leaving my family behind.  So it affects me, but it doesn't destroy my world.  So again, I think it's how each of you (you and often reading) are defining the emotions.  

The part I bolded is really what I was trying to drive at. I didn't want to mention her because she's just some random celebrity, but Chelsea Handler actually went into therapy after Trump was elected. She's an example of the type of irrational people I'm talking about, and I felt what oftenreading was driving at was that there are many people like this in America and that Trump is ruining lives simply by his existence. In fairness to oftenreading though, his/her comment may have been more of a prideful Canada comment (on Canada day) than a look down his/her nose at Americans who are "suffering" under Trump. 

So you've gotten involved and spurred to action as a result of Trump's policies. That's good. How so? 

mrussel1

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

It makes sense.  And I guess it's a question of 'degrees' of sadness or unhappiness.  Certainly I'm not in therapy due to Trump.  If someone is, due to their empathy, then there are probably more deeply seeded issue than a GOP president.  Trump's policies piss me off and make me wonder what happened to our republic.  It makes me get involved and spur to action.  Which is a bit different than sex slaves around the world.  I can't do much about that, without leaving my family behind.  So it affects me, but it doesn't destroy my world.  So again, I think it's how each of you (you and often reading) are defining the emotions.  

The part I bolded is really what I was trying to drive at. I didn't want to mention her because she's just some random celebrity, but Chelsea Handler actually went into therapy after Trump was elected. She's an example of the type of irrational people I'm talking about, and I felt what oftenreading was driving at was that there are many people like this in America and that Trump is ruining lives simply by his existence. In fairness to oftenreading though, his/her comment may have been more of a prideful Canada comment (on Canada day) than a look down his/her nose at Americans who are "suffering" under Trump. 

So you've gotten involved and spurred to action as a result of Trump's policies. That's good. How so? 

Local party stuff down here in Richmond.  Abigail Spanberger (freshman rep) is basically my neighbor so I've helped out there.  Plus my son who is 17 has done some volunteering, canvassing, and those types of things.  My daughter, who is in college, is also active in local party politics, but that's in Williamsburg where she goes to school.  

Ledbetterman10

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

It makes sense.  And I guess it's a question of 'degrees' of sadness or unhappiness.  Certainly I'm not in therapy due to Trump.  If someone is, due to their empathy, then there are probably more deeply seeded issue than a GOP president.  Trump's policies piss me off and make me wonder what happened to our republic.  It makes me get involved and spur to action.  Which is a bit different than sex slaves around the world.  I can't do much about that, without leaving my family behind.  So it affects me, but it doesn't destroy my world.  So again, I think it's how each of you (you and often reading) are defining the emotions.  

The part I bolded is really what I was trying to drive at. I didn't want to mention her because she's just some random celebrity, but Chelsea Handler actually went into therapy after Trump was elected. She's an example of the type of irrational people I'm talking about, and I felt what oftenreading was driving at was that there are many people like this in America and that Trump is ruining lives simply by his existence. In fairness to oftenreading though, his/her comment may have been more of a prideful Canada comment (on Canada day) than a look down his/her nose at Americans who are "suffering" under Trump. 

So you've gotten involved and spurred to action as a result of Trump's policies. That's good. How so? 

Local party stuff down here in Richmond.  Abigail Spanberger (freshman rep) is basically my neighbor so I've helped out there.  Plus my son who is 17 has done some volunteering, canvassing, and those types of things.  My daughter, who is in college, is also active in local party politics, but that's in Williamsburg where she goes to school.  

Well that's nice to hear. I feel as though a lot of people that vehemently oppose Trump complain about him a lot, but many don't really do anything tangible to oppose him. 

PJ_Soul

ikiT said:

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1145673433776316417

not impressed at fucking all.  seems like a fly by the seat of your pants, last minute, zero plan kind of a move.  SAD really.

It's really sad, and Trump is just making friends with all the despots in the world, and making enemies of those who run democratic governments. It's ludicrous. That said, we have to admit him making a fool of himself on the NK border is a lot better than ramping up tensions.... Although it's fairly safe to say that Un is just fucking with Trump, and he could easily turn around and threaten the US with long range missiles next week. You never know with either of these freaks.

PJ_Soul

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

At least there’s a shout out to Canada, today being Canada day and all.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/donald-trump-japan-press-conference-busing/index.html

We’re not happy like the US is happy? Absolutely correct! We are way, waaaay happier - because we don’t have Trump. 
 

Trump isn’t hurting the happiness of any rational Americans. Even if you flat out hate him (a reasonable enough stance), that’s no reason to be unhappy in general. 

Women in a number of states where their rights are being taken away might be less than happy. People who care about the environment might be less than happy. 

I mean general unhappiness and being depressed because Trump is the president. Not just being against his policies. I guess I meant it in a sense that even if you hate Trump and legitimately worry about things like his position on climate change, you're not walking around forlorn looking up at the sky thinking "My God. In 12 years, it'll all be over." 

But as for women's rights, Trump's not the first pro-life president. I think what some of the states are doing, especially the recent legislation in Alabama, is egregious. But that's not Trump's fault. That's a backwards state with a backwards legislature representing it's backwards constitutes. Unless your premise is that Trump is just so mighty and his message so far-reaching that the disease of far-right conservatism is spreading to a point where a legislature like Alabama's would feel compelled to pass such a law. Then I guess it would be Trump's fault. 

It is absolutely Trump's fault. He is the president who opened the door for those states, who have just been biding their time for the past 50 years or so, waiting for someone like Trump to finally get into the WH and to both stack the SCOTUS in a way that they felt would favour their plan to overturn RvW, and to energize the the kooked out religious base that they needed to keep the right governors in office.

ikiT

here you go...

https://instagram.com/p/BzbGbcYB1pc/embed/

ikiT

This guy has to GO.

mrussel1

ikiT said:

here you go...

https://instagram.com/p/BzbGbcYB1pc/embed/

Thanks for destroying the roads I need in NOVA and DC, doucher.  

Kat

Soul-eater is over-compensating for some personal shortage with those tanks. 
It's embarrassing...we sure don't need to do that. 

oftenreading

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

It makes sense.  And I guess it's a question of 'degrees' of sadness or unhappiness.  Certainly I'm not in therapy due to Trump.  If someone is, due to their empathy, then there are probably more deeply seeded issue than a GOP president.  Trump's policies piss me off and make me wonder what happened to our republic.  It makes me get involved and spur to action.  Which is a bit different than sex slaves around the world.  I can't do much about that, without leaving my family behind.  So it affects me, but it doesn't destroy my world.  So again, I think it's how each of you (you and often reading) are defining the emotions.  

The part I bolded is really what I was trying to drive at. I didn't want to mention her because she's just some random celebrity, but Chelsea Handler actually went into therapy after Trump was elected. She's an example of the type of irrational people I'm talking about, and I felt what oftenreading was driving at was that there are many people like this in America and that Trump is ruining lives simply by his existence. In fairness to oftenreading though, his/her comment may have been more of a prideful Canada comment (on Canada day) than a look down his/her nose at Americans who are "suffering" under Trump. 

So you've gotten involved and spurred to action as a result of Trump's policies. That's good. How so? 

I think you're being weirdly picky about word choice and trying to pin down "happy" vs. "unhappy" and who has a right to be affected by policies of the WH. My post was a direct response to Trump's comment about Canadians being happy, but not as happy as Americans. 

However, I do stand by my comments about Trump's policies negatively affecting the lives of many Americans, and agree with the comments about empathy. Also not sure where you got the idea that I'm the one looking down my nose at people who are suffering under Trump's policies. 

ikiT

it think they're just going to be off loaded from the trains and flatbedded over to the mall. 
That's the only thing they're going to destroy,  The National Mall, you know the thing they JUST redid.

When there aren't 70 thousand people at this fucking ho-down he really should RESIGN.  What a WASTE of $$$.