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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    I'm no lawyer, but is obstruction of justice a tough charge to get a conviction on?  
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Meltdown99 said:
    I'm no lawyer, but is obstruction of justice a tough charge to get a conviction on?  
    Yes, because you have to prove that he intended to obstruct, which is a state of mind.  It's difficult to prove unless you have something written, tape recording, etc.  There does not need to be an underlying crime though, which is a fallacy that some people are claiming.  
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    I'm no lawyer, but is obstruction of justice a tough charge to get a conviction on?  
    Yes, because you have to prove that he intended to obstruct, which is a state of mind.  It's difficult to prove unless you have something written, tape recording, etc.  There does not need to be an underlying crime though, which is a fallacy that some people are claiming.  
    Thanks for the explanation.  I say give Trump time and he says something that can hang on him...
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,640
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    I'm no lawyer, but is obstruction of justice a tough charge to get a conviction on?  
    Yes, because you have to prove that he intended to obstruct, which is a state of mind.  It's difficult to prove unless you have something written, tape recording, etc.  There does not need to be an underlying crime though, which is a fallacy that some people are claiming.  
    Thanks for the explanation.  I say give Trump time and he says something that can hang on him...
    This is why he never sat for an interview with Mueller.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,142
    Bentleyspop said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    I'm no lawyer, but is obstruction of justice a tough charge to get a conviction on?  
    Yes, because you have to prove that he intended to obstruct, which is a state of mind.  It's difficult to prove unless you have something written, tape recording, etc.  There does not need to be an underlying crime though, which is a fallacy that some people are claiming.  
    Thanks for the explanation.  I say give Trump time and he says something that can hang on him...
    This is why he never sat for an interview with Mueller.
    James Comey sat for interviews, under oath, for both Team Mueller and Congress. Team Trump Treason did neither. Who has more credibility?
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    josevolution said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    You’d think that after several
    years of made up bullshit you’d stop but you just keep on looking like a crazy guy on the corner screaming at traffic. 

    This shit’s done.  The only thing that’s about to get ugly is Barr when he starts bringing down the hammer on those who started this whole joke.
    What are you outraged about ? Whoa I guess you watched the FOX channel coverage , so I ask do you trust this president wholeheartedly and will you vote for him again in 2020 
    I’m not outraged at all, I was being sarcastic.  As a trump supporter I enjoy the constant whining and frustration he causes those who are trying to take him down.  It’s fun to watch him wriggle out of all the attempts, like political jiu jitsu.  I think today was one of the best days for our country in a while.  I don’t trust anyone wholeheartedly, but if the election was today I would vote for him, yes.  In 2020, I don’t know,  that depends how I feel in 2020.
    ‘As a trump supporter’

    Loud and proud. Just like those fat short guys in Virginia marching around with their big guns over their shoulders.

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,222
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    500 witnesses interviewed by Team Mueller. Team Trump Treason was not one of them. Why, if he's fully exonerated? and,

    “There was no collusion.”

    “I don’t know any Russians.”

    “I have nothing to hide.”

    “I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”

    “We do everything by the book.”

    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    “Very legal, very cool.”

    “Fully exonerated.”

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.


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    Funding my next tour and the pajamas come with footies or not.
    I want "I have nothing to hide" printed on the trap door of my onesie. 
    You’ll get residuals.
    should hope not!!!!
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    i think that the circus of division and hate brought on by his opposition because he was elected is uncalled for and tiring.  
    Haha. Someone is sipping on that fox news-koolaid. Scary. 
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    His "state of mind" and "behavior" is completely unacceptable for the Presidency.  
    He cray yo.
    He should be impeached. 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    pg1 of Report Russia effectively interfered in our 2016 elections period ! And this administration has done zero nada zilch to make sure 2016 doesn’t repeat itself ..how are 50+ million citizens and some here ok with this ?
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1118975500716736512?s=21
    There was a time when this man had a moral compass , today he’s a lapdog for the president ! On a funny note who has more fat loose chins ? Barr or Baffoon 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    36 times he answered I can’t remember or I don’t recall , but I thought he had the greatest mind of any president ! 
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Meltdown99 said:
    I'm no lawyer, but is obstruction of justice a tough charge to get a conviction on?  
    We should go for the low hanging fruit.

    Try him for treason.
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    edited April 2019
    sad
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Meltdown99 said:
    I'm no lawyer, but is obstruction of justice a tough charge to get a conviction on?  


    "The Mueller report reads like an impeachment referral"

    I agree. Also reads like an investigation that was cut short before it could finish.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    josevolution said:
    pg1 of Report Russia effectively interfered in our 2016 elections period ! And this administration has done zero nada zilch to make sure 2016 doesn’t repeat itself ..how are 50+ million citizens and some here ok with this ?
    This right here.  

    I actually never thought there was collusion.  I do think he obstructed justice or attempted to ... of course I'm talking about my definition/opinion of it and not the legal one, which is all that matters.

    But the fact that we know for a fact Russia tried to influence the election and our president has done nothing...that is the biggest failure of his presidency and enough for me that he should be removed.  He is not protecting the US democracy against foreign enemies.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    pg1 of Report Russia effectively interfered in our 2016 elections period ! And this administration has done zero nada zilch to make sure 2016 doesn’t repeat itself ..how are 50+ million citizens and some here ok with this ?
    This right here.  

    I actually never thought there was collusion.  I do think he obstructed justice or attempted to ... of course I'm talking about my definition/opinion of it and not the legal one, which is all that matters.

    But the fact that we know for a fact Russia tried to influence the election and our president has done nothing...that is the biggest failure of his presidency and enough for me that he should be removed.  He is not protecting the US democracy against foreign enemies.

    Don't worry, I'm sure tRUmp will get right on the RU interference.  

    Just as soon as they sort out all the voter issues in NC & GA.

    He is not protecting the US democracy against foreign enemies.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,910
    edited April 2019
    This stuff legitimately scares me. I wish more people would start thinking of this kind of rhetoric as a serious problem and not just a ridiculous joke. I understand the temptation to stick with the latter, but it's bad news to not take it seriously IMO. This shit is being spewed on what is for some reason called by many a legit news network. Many many millions are truly going for it.

    Lou Dobbs says Trump is God's choice. Mentions war. Rants about Mueller report. Video included.


    Lou Dobbs used his Fox Business show on Thursday to rant about the Mueller report, which contained a number of damning revelations about President Donald Trump.

    He then suggested that Trump could have been sent by God.

    “This is a war,” said the host of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” during a discussion with contributor Tammy Bruce about the release of the redacted version of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report into Russian interference in the 2016 election and possible Trump campaign collusion.

    “The president likes to call it a hoax but this was a conspiracy to overthrow the president of the United States,” Dobbs continued. “And this is bad stuff. And, to your point, any other person in the White House would have folded up like a cheap lawn chair amongst the last several presidents.”

    Dobbs, a staunch supporter of the president, then made his divine claim:

        Pastor Robert Jeffress always talks about this president. God sent this president. He is a person of providence. And I’ll tell you the evidence is accumulating mightily to support the pastor’s views.

    Former Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) made a similar claim earlier this week.


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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,696
    Yesterday he was tweeting about his exoneration.  Now he’s back in mid-investigation form.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,193
    edited April 2019
     I don't if this has been posted but this tweet from Trump is freaking hilarious:

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    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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