Donald Trump

josevolution

So that’s it he’s all cleared he never tried to thwart the investigation never did one wrong thing in fact he’s the most honest president ever ! Who here believes this raise your hand ..

jeffbr

CNN's Toobin: Mueller's findings on obstruction 'all but an explicit invitation to Congress'

Speaking during a panel discussion, Toobin quoted a finding from a section of special counsel Robert Mueller's report that found that Congress could investigate the president for any "corrupt exercise" of power to be a sign that Mueller's team had opened the door for Congress to pursue obstruction investigations against Trump.

"The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law," reads the line from Mueller's report quoted by Toobin.

"There's a sentence here that is all but an explicit invitation for Congress to impeach the president," Toobin argued, referring to line from Mueller's report. "I just think this sentence is enormously important."

bootlegger10

I think one of the issues with impeachment is that the left knows impeachment isn't a possibility right now with the Senate.   Impeachment proceedings may just rev up Trump's base and hurt the Dems in the next election.  Pelosi would be made the scapegoat again that Republicans fear for some reason and more Republicans come out to vote against Pelosi even though she isn't running.    

bootlegger10

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Kat said:

So if there are no impeachment proceedings after learning these findings, what does it say about our rule of law, about what a future president can do and get away with? If nothing is done, this is the level at which the bar is set, isn't it?

why would you try to impeach when the findings are inconclusive, legally speaking?

Team Mueller punted to Congress on the obstruction charge because Team Mueller followed DOJ policy regarding indicting a sitting president. 14 ongoing criminal investigations. This is only going to get worse.

You keep saying this but nothing seems to get worse for the President.   I hope Trump goes to jail but at this rate it will be long after he ends his term as President.  

One of the problems with this obstruction and impeachment is that no one expected better from Trump.  The Republicans knew they "hired" a person without a soul so why would they fire a person for acting like they have no soul?    If I get a dog whose breed is known to chew on shoes, I'm not going to get rid of it when it chews on shoes.  I knew that going into it.

oftenreading

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the bigger story is that Trump TRIED to obstruct justice, but only didn't because those he asked to carry out his bidding refused to do so, knowing full well it was illegal. 

In law, efforts like this are also criminal. Thus, we get charged of attempted murder; we don’t say “the victim didn’t die so it’s all okay”. People get charged with attempting to break the law all the time. It’s not like they should be rewarded for incompetency. 

so if mueller believes trump tried to obstruct justice, does that mean he'll be charged after leaving office?

Depends on the prosecutor, but the short answer is yes, he could be, and Mueller laid the groundwork. 

Mueller Left Open the Door to Charging Trump After He Left Office  
https://nyti.ms/2GuzVFR

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Kat said:

So if there are no impeachment proceedings after learning these findings, what does it say about our rule of law, about what a future president can do and get away with? If nothing is done, this is the level at which the bar is set, isn't it?

why would you try to impeach when the findings are inconclusive, legally speaking?

Team Mueller punted to Congress on the obstruction charge because Team Mueller followed DOJ policy regarding indicting a sitting president. 14 ongoing criminal investigations. This is only going to get worse.

Unless you really believe you have the votes in the Senate,  you can't push ahead unfortunately. 

That's what House impeachment hearings are for. Determining there's enough evidence to impeach and hold a trial. The trial in the senate is to convince 67 senators to convict. Just need to flip 20, whether by election or preponderence of the evidence. The redactions, particularly those of the intellignece variety, may very well be enough to do it, if it goes that far. 14 ongoing investigations, 12 of which are redacted to protect their integrity. Its going to be ugly

I understand the design but it's not the reality. The house,  through the committees,  can make all the relevant evidence known,  and then the Senate can be whipped.  If you can't whip the votes,  don't start the process. 

oftenreading

I don’t expect anything while in office but I look forward to justice being served after he’s left office. 

Halifax2TheMax

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Kat said:

So if there are no impeachment proceedings after learning these findings, what does it say about our rule of law, about what a future president can do and get away with? If nothing is done, this is the level at which the bar is set, isn't it?

why would you try to impeach when the findings are inconclusive, legally speaking?

Team Mueller punted to Congress on the obstruction charge because Team Mueller followed DOJ policy regarding indicting a sitting president. 14 ongoing criminal investigations. This is only going to get worse.

You keep saying this but nothing seems to get worse for the President.   I hope Trump goes to jail but at this rate it will be long after he ends his term as President.  

One of the problems with this obstruction and impeachment is that no one expected better from Trump.  The Republicans knew they "hired" a person without a soul so why would they fire a person for acting like they have no soul?    If I get a dog whose breed is known to chew on shoes, I'm not going to get rid of it when it chews on shoes.  I knew that going into it.

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Kat said:

So if there are no impeachment proceedings after learning these findings, what does it say about our rule of law, about what a future president can do and get away with? If nothing is done, this is the level at which the bar is set, isn't it?

why would you try to impeach when the findings are inconclusive, legally speaking?

Team Mueller punted to Congress on the obstruction charge because Team Mueller followed DOJ policy regarding indicting a sitting president. 14 ongoing criminal investigations. This is only going to get worse.

You keep saying this but nothing seems to get worse for the President.   I hope Trump goes to jail but at this rate it will be long after he ends his term as President.  

One of the problems with this obstruction and impeachment is that no one expected better from Trump.  The Republicans knew they "hired" a person without a soul so why would they fire a person for acting like they have no soul?    If I get a dog whose breed is known to chew on shoes, I'm not going to get rid of it when it chews on shoes.  I knew that going into it.

Get worse? There’s going to be further hill investigory hearings that will likely lead to an impeachment vote. If Team Trump Treason isn’t disgraced like Nixon, he’s at least disgraced as much as or more than Bill Clinton, something that never happened to Obama. I’m not sure his fragile ego couldn’t handle it. He might nuke Nancy’s district.

Sorry, but I don’t equate buying a shoe chewing dog with voters knowingly voting for a candidate that would violate the law during the campaign and while in office and be under 14 separate investigations as a result. The process is slow and deliberate as it should be. Remember Benghazi? Now, that was a witch hunt.

Halifax2TheMax

Hey! Where’s BS spiking the ball and yelling, “MAGA Bitches?”

28-12.

RoleModelsinBlood31

You’d think that after several
years of made up bullshit you’d stop but you just keep on looking like a crazy guy on the corner screaming at traffic. 

This shit’s done.  The only thing that’s about to get ugly is Barr when he starts bringing down the hammer on those who started this whole joke.

oftenreading

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

You’d think that after several
years of made up bullshit you’d stop but you just keep on looking like a crazy guy on the corner screaming at traffic. 

This shit’s done.  The only thing that’s about to get ugly is Barr when he starts bringing down the hammer on those who started this whole joke.

The little fly by is as amusing as ever!

benjs

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Kat said:

So if there are no impeachment proceedings after learning these findings, what does it say about our rule of law, about what a future president can do and get away with? If nothing is done, this is the level at which the bar is set, isn't it?

why would you try to impeach when the findings are inconclusive, legally speaking?

Team Mueller punted to Congress on the obstruction charge because Team Mueller followed DOJ policy regarding indicting a sitting president. 14 ongoing criminal investigations. This is only going to get worse.

You keep saying this but nothing seems to get worse for the President.   I hope Trump goes to jail but at this rate it will be long after he ends his term as President.  

One of the problems with this obstruction and impeachment is that no one expected better from Trump.  The Republicans knew they "hired" a person without a soul so why would they fire a person for acting like they have no soul?    If I get a dog whose breed is known to chew on shoes, I'm not going to get rid of it when it chews on shoes.  I knew that going into it.

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Kat said:

So if there are no impeachment proceedings after learning these findings, what does it say about our rule of law, about what a future president can do and get away with? If nothing is done, this is the level at which the bar is set, isn't it?

why would you try to impeach when the findings are inconclusive, legally speaking?

Team Mueller punted to Congress on the obstruction charge because Team Mueller followed DOJ policy regarding indicting a sitting president. 14 ongoing criminal investigations. This is only going to get worse.

You keep saying this but nothing seems to get worse for the President.   I hope Trump goes to jail but at this rate it will be long after he ends his term as President.  

One of the problems with this obstruction and impeachment is that no one expected better from Trump.  The Republicans knew they "hired" a person without a soul so why would they fire a person for acting like they have no soul?    If I get a dog whose breed is known to chew on shoes, I'm not going to get rid of it when it chews on shoes.  I knew that going into it.

Get worse? There’s going to be further hill investigory hearings that will likely lead to an impeachment vote. If Team Trump Treason isn’t disgraced like Nixon, he’s at least disgraced as much as or more than Bill Clinton, something that never happened to Obama. I’m not sure his fragile ego couldn’t handle it. He might nuke Nancy’s district.

Sorry, but I don’t equate buying a shoe chewing dog with voters knowingly voting for a candidate that would violate the law during the campaign and while in office and be under 14 separate investigations as a result. The process is slow and deliberate as it should be. Remember Benghazi? Now, that was a witch hunt.

1. Further hearings would lead to an impeachment vote, which would pass in the House, then proceed to the Senate, where the majority are Republicans who are allegiant to the voters, who are overwhelmingly distrusting of Democrats and trusting of Trump (often to the point of blind acceptance), so it then dies, and Democrats lose what meagre power they have, country gets further divided, the cesspool grows.

2. There have been an absurd amount of opportunities to bruise Trump's ego. Fuck, all he'd have to do was search his name on Google, or watch any non-Fox channel. I haven't detected any differences in Trump's behaviours two years in, with enough opportunities for him to have felt 'disgraced'. Narcissism of Trump's degree will not allow him to see attacks as anything but 'people who aren't smart like me and just don't understand my very great direction' or 'they just don't see that the ends justify the means'. 

Curious to hear your thoughts.

Halifax2TheMax

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

You’d think that after several
years of made up bullshit you’d stop but you just keep on looking like a crazy guy on the corner screaming at traffic. 

This shit’s done.  The only thing that’s about to get ugly is Barr when he starts bringing down the hammer on those who started this whole joke.

14 ongoing investigations and an unredacted report on its way to congress. This shit is as about done as that pizza waiting for pizza dough still sitting in the 50 pound bag of flour while the oil and water and yeast wait in the mixing bowl, waiting for the dough hook to be installed.

benjs

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

You’d think that after several
years of made up bullshit you’d stop but you just keep on looking like a crazy guy on the corner screaming at traffic. 

This shit’s done.  The only thing that’s about to get ugly is Barr when he starts bringing down the hammer on those who started this whole joke.

Honest question for you. No one on this thread has certainty of anything going on (since no one on this thread has access to the truth), so what do you put the odds of nefarious acts related to corruption at with respect to Trump? 

CM189191

oftenreading said:

I don’t expect anything while in office but I look forward to justice being served after he’s left office. 

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1118909536302190592?s=19

ikiT

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

You’d think that after several
years of made up bullshit you’d stop but you just keep on looking like a crazy guy on the corner screaming at traffic. 

This shit’s done.  The only thing that’s about to get ugly is Barr when he starts bringing down the hammer on those who started this whole joke.

Minority opinion.

CM189191

Halifax2TheMax said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

You’d think that after several
years of made up bullshit you’d stop but you just keep on looking like a crazy guy on the corner screaming at traffic. 

This shit’s done.  The only thing that’s about to get ugly is Barr when he starts bringing down the hammer on those who started this whole joke.

14 ongoing investigations and an unredacted report on its way to congress. This shit is as about done as that pizza waiting for pizza dough still sitting in the 50 pound bag of flour while the oil and water and yeast wait in the mixing bowl, waiting for the dough hook to be installed.

https://twitter.com/LouiseBagshawe/status/1118937720703934464?s=19

josevolution

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

You’d think that after several
years of made up bullshit you’d stop but you just keep on looking like a crazy guy on the corner screaming at traffic. 

This shit’s done.  The only thing that’s about to get ugly is Barr when he starts bringing down the hammer on those who started this whole joke.

What are you outraged about ? Whoa I guess you watched the FOX channel coverage , so I ask do you trust this president wholeheartedly and will you vote for him again in 2020 

Halifax2TheMax

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Kat said:

So if there are no impeachment proceedings after learning these findings, what does it say about our rule of law, about what a future president can do and get away with? If nothing is done, this is the level at which the bar is set, isn't it?

why would you try to impeach when the findings are inconclusive, legally speaking?

Team Mueller punted to Congress on the obstruction charge because Team Mueller followed DOJ policy regarding indicting a sitting president. 14 ongoing criminal investigations. This is only going to get worse.

You keep saying this but nothing seems to get worse for the President.   I hope Trump goes to jail but at this rate it will be long after he ends his term as President.  

One of the problems with this obstruction and impeachment is that no one expected better from Trump.  The Republicans knew they "hired" a person without a soul so why would they fire a person for acting like they have no soul?    If I get a dog whose breed is known to chew on shoes, I'm not going to get rid of it when it chews on shoes.  I knew that going into it.

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Kat said:

So if there are no impeachment proceedings after learning these findings, what does it say about our rule of law, about what a future president can do and get away with? If nothing is done, this is the level at which the bar is set, isn't it?

why would you try to impeach when the findings are inconclusive, legally speaking?

Team Mueller punted to Congress on the obstruction charge because Team Mueller followed DOJ policy regarding indicting a sitting president. 14 ongoing criminal investigations. This is only going to get worse.

You keep saying this but nothing seems to get worse for the President.   I hope Trump goes to jail but at this rate it will be long after he ends his term as President.  

One of the problems with this obstruction and impeachment is that no one expected better from Trump.  The Republicans knew they "hired" a person without a soul so why would they fire a person for acting like they have no soul?    If I get a dog whose breed is known to chew on shoes, I'm not going to get rid of it when it chews on shoes.  I knew that going into it.

Get worse? There’s going to be further hill investigory hearings that will likely lead to an impeachment vote. If Team Trump Treason isn’t disgraced like Nixon, he’s at least disgraced as much as or more than Bill Clinton, something that never happened to Obama. I’m not sure his fragile ego couldn’t handle it. He might nuke Nancy’s district.

Sorry, but I don’t equate buying a shoe chewing dog with voters knowingly voting for a candidate that would violate the law during the campaign and while in office and be under 14 separate investigations as a result. The process is slow and deliberate as it should be. Remember Benghazi? Now, that was a witch hunt.

1. Further hearings would lead to an impeachment vote, which would pass in the House, then proceed to the Senate, where the majority are Republicans who are allegiant to the voters, who are overwhelmingly distrusting of Democrats and trusting of Trump (often to the point of blind acceptance), so it then dies, and Democrats lose what meagre power they have, country gets further divided, the cesspool grows.

2. There have been an absurd amount of opportunities to bruise Trump's ego. Fuck, all he'd have to do was search his name on Google, or watch any non-Fox channel. I haven't detected any differences in Trump's behaviours two years in, with enough opportunities for him to have felt 'disgraced'. Narcissism of Trump's degree will not allow him to see attacks as anything but 'people who aren't smart like me and just don't understand my very great direction' or 'they just don't see that the ends justify the means'. 

Curious to hear your thoughts.

Seemed pretty bruised and cowed walking to the chopper today. His base is what you described. The other 9%-12% of indies, blue dog dems and butt hurt Bernie bros? They be disappointed and aren’t likely to vote for Team Trump Treason again in 2020, particularly if the house does its job. Do the American people really want an Administration that lies and deceives and wrecks the institutions of governance to this degree? I don’t think they do. And repubs like Romney and any others that have a soul and a conscience are going to have to make a very difficult choice because someday it might be a dem as POTUS coordinating with Cuba, Venezuela and Iran to throw an election or abuse their power and obstruct justice. Precedent can really suck.

Ledbetterman10

Mueller needs to testify. And preferably before Barr does on I think May 2nd