Donald Trump

josevolution

Just release the report let us see what’s so ridiculously false , I don’t believe Barr or Baffoon and the public shouldn’t either Barr should be subpoenaed as should Muller ...

mcgruff10

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tbergs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

It's late for this, but I'm going to offer it anyways:

People can say what they want, but I respect @BS44325 for his efforts expressing where he is at in this entire affair. He's far from a 'troll' and in my opinion offers a level of credibility to the 'other' side.

I'm not saying I agree with him entirely- I don't. But his contributions are infinitely greater than 'woot' and 'MAGA' and 'lock her up'... and if I'm being honest... I pause for thought when reading his submissions. 

Yeah, I can appreciate it to an extent, but it's clear there is some trolling going on to. Most recently the "MAGA bitches" comment. There is a lot of pompous know-it-all in there even though it's a lot of speculation and mainly just meant to annoy the status quo in here who despise a gelatinous blob as president.

Not to mention the easily dispelled BS that he posts. But one example as he repeated the Faux News talking point regarding the Steele Dossier. I guess now Senator Graham is a liar?:

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday he had told Sen. John McCain to give the FBI the dossier on the Trump campaign’s alleged ties to Russia, a revelation that comes after Trump repeatedly assailed the late Arizona Republican over the issue.

Last week, Trump accused McCain of handing over the document “for very evil purposes.” McCain died of brain cancer in August.

Graham, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters Monday McCain showed him the dossier when he received it in late 2016.

“And I told him the only thing I knew to do with it, it could be a bunch of garbage, it could be true, who knows? Turn it over to somebody whose job it is to find these things out, and John McCain acted appropriately,” Graham said, according to CNN.

“He & the Dems, working together, failed (as usual). Even the Fake News refused this garbage!” Trump said in the tweet.

McCain was not made aware of the Steele dossier until Nov. 18, 2016 — after Trump had won the election. And while McCain himself gave the dossier to the FBI, there is no evidence he gave it to the media.

Former McCain aide David Kramer, a Russia expert, has testified that he gave the dossier to the media in December 2016.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-lindsey-graham-says-he-told-john-mccain-to-give-trump-russia-dossier-to-fbi/2019/03/25/f35e28ca-4f26-11e9-a3f7-78b7525a8d5f_story.html?utm_term=.8dd1dfc33b5c

I actually think this is an important angle to pick apart. McCain's and Kramer's hands were on it. Kramer seems to have done more active disseminating then McCain but this all needs to be drilled down on. Remember at this point the dossier was not new. The FBI had it months before but now it was being passed to media through Kramer and FBI again through McCain. Did they innocently have it handed to them and just did what they thought was right or were they participating in something else. This was recycled intelligence made to appear as corroborating intelligence from a non-partisan source. This story will be told. McCain's obvious war hero status is not a reason to look away. You all felt that way in the run up to 2008.

You mean were they participating in the coup rumor that you continue to propagate without regard to the lessons learned from Iraq?  

Yes. They were participating. The question is whether they were wittingly or unwittingly participating. Lindsey Graham believes McCain was an unwitting participant. Personally I am not ready to indict them or exonerate them.

I'm glad you aren't ready to indict them, considering a few things: 1. You're not a prosecutor 2. You're not a citizen 3. You have no evidence 4. You've never interviewed a subject in the matter.  
So I have to compliment you on your amazing restraint, although you still continue to apply intent to the actions of people who you don't know, never spoke with, and are responsible for keeping Americans safe every day.  But keep at it, it makes a difference.  

Haaaa. An answer I've never seen you give to the constant insanity that oozes out of this place. Maybe this forum just ain't a place for you if random people riffing isn't your thing.

I don't mind random riffing, but the trolling you engaged in on Saturday deserves an appropriate response.  Second, the conspiracy mongering is worse than the 'Russia-gate', considering there was an actual special counsel for RG.  So until there are indictments on DOJ brass for violation of US Code related to the overthrow of the gov't, all you are doing is the very thing you were righteously railing against with the Tabbi article.  Riffing is not the same as hypocrisy.  

Nope. Sorry. The origin story is out there and legit. You are purposely avoiding known facts about the Papadopolous entrapment, DNC-Fusion GPS dossier fabrication, the participation of foreign intelligence agencies (thanks Halifax), FISA abuse, leaking to the media, the recycling of information, and the triggering of the special council. The only ingredient missing in this attempted coup was Trump firing Mueller. A necessary ingredient for an obstruction charge that never came to be. You purposely have zero curiosity about any of this. Are you concerned that it reaches all the way to the top? It's already been reported that the White House was involved in the discussions on the first FISA warrant. Some in the DOJ were uncomfortable asking for it. Page/Strozk/McCabe wanted it bad. What was Obama's involvement. It's just too painful for you to ask the question.

Just when you think you’ve heard it all, “the origin story.”
 

the Christians call it Genesis

Is that the one with the muslims dancing in the streets of Jersey City?

I actually remember reading this in the newspapers a few days after 9/11.

and it has been repeatedly debunked. 

https://www.nj.com/news/2015/12/exclusive_jersey_city_cop_residents_say_some_musli.html

my2hands

Spiritual_Chaos said:

my2hands said:

Tiki said:

#PTAPE

#Doesn'tExist

Come on, you know it's a bigger chance it do exist than it doesn't. 

Show me the proof.... it's a fairy tale

mcgruff10

Not thousands like trump said but I definitely believe there were celebrations on 9/11. 
https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-police-captain-says-some-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911/

HughFreakingDillon

mcgruff10 said:

Not thousands like trump said but I definitely believe there were celebrations on 9/11. 
https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-police-captain-says-some-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911/

15-20 people. that amounts to basically zero. 

my2hands

Interesting how progressives now love and trust intelligence agencies 

https://youtu.be/f_hX5jNzd_Y

PJ_Soul

I think it's fair to say that 99.99% of American Muslims were absolutely horrified on 9/11, and for more reasons than non-Muslims. They all knew immediately that they had just become targets themselves, just for being Muslim... Hell, not even just the Muslims felt that. All the brown people did.

eddiec

mcgruff10 said:

I actually remember reading this in the newspapers a few days after 9/11.

The Muslim shop owners I knew were very frightened that day. Most closed up early and went home out of fear. There were two Egyptian owned delis on 84th at the time.

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

I think it's fair to say that 99.99% of American Muslims were absolutely horrified on 9/11, and for more reasons than non-Muslims. They all knew immediately that they had just become targets themselves, just for being Muslim... Hell, not even just the Muslims felt that. All the brown people did.

What a crazy ass time that was.  

bbiggs

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Not thousands like trump said but I definitely believe there were celebrations on 9/11. 
https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-police-captain-says-some-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911/

15-20 people. that amounts to basically zero. 

15-20 too many. 

PJ_Soul

bbiggs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Not thousands like trump said but I definitely believe there were celebrations on 9/11. 
https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-police-captain-says-some-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911/

15-20 people. that amounts to basically zero. 

15-20 too many. 

True. But they were still far outnumbered by angry white dudes who wanted to go and smash some Muslim faces that week. Why a tiny number of asshole Muslims who were glad are still being brought up nearly 20 years later is a question that needs to be considered.

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tbergs said:

Yeah, I can appreciate it to an extent, but it's clear there is some trolling going on to. Most recently the "MAGA bitches" comment. There is a lot of pompous know-it-all in there even though it's a lot of speculation and mainly just meant to annoy the status quo in here who despise a gelatinous blob as president.

Not to mention the easily dispelled BS that he posts. But one example as he repeated the Faux News talking point regarding the Steele Dossier. I guess now Senator Graham is a liar?:

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday he had told Sen. John McCain to give the FBI the dossier on the Trump campaign’s alleged ties to Russia, a revelation that comes after Trump repeatedly assailed the late Arizona Republican over the issue.

Last week, Trump accused McCain of handing over the document “for very evil purposes.” McCain died of brain cancer in August.

Graham, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters Monday McCain showed him the dossier when he received it in late 2016.

“And I told him the only thing I knew to do with it, it could be a bunch of garbage, it could be true, who knows? Turn it over to somebody whose job it is to find these things out, and John McCain acted appropriately,” Graham said, according to CNN.

“He & the Dems, working together, failed (as usual). Even the Fake News refused this garbage!” Trump said in the tweet.

McCain was not made aware of the Steele dossier until Nov. 18, 2016 — after Trump had won the election. And while McCain himself gave the dossier to the FBI, there is no evidence he gave it to the media.

Former McCain aide David Kramer, a Russia expert, has testified that he gave the dossier to the media in December 2016.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-lindsey-graham-says-he-told-john-mccain-to-give-trump-russia-dossier-to-fbi/2019/03/25/f35e28ca-4f26-11e9-a3f7-78b7525a8d5f_story.html?utm_term=.8dd1dfc33b5c

I actually think this is an important angle to pick apart. McCain's and Kramer's hands were on it. Kramer seems to have done more active disseminating then McCain but this all needs to be drilled down on. Remember at this point the dossier was not new. The FBI had it months before but now it was being passed to media through Kramer and FBI again through McCain. Did they innocently have it handed to them and just did what they thought was right or were they participating in something else. This was recycled intelligence made to appear as corroborating intelligence from a non-partisan source. This story will be told. McCain's obvious war hero status is not a reason to look away. You all felt that way in the run up to 2008.

You mean were they participating in the coup rumor that you continue to propagate without regard to the lessons learned from Iraq?  

Yes. They were participating. The question is whether they were wittingly or unwittingly participating. Lindsey Graham believes McCain was an unwitting participant. Personally I am not ready to indict them or exonerate them.

I'm glad you aren't ready to indict them, considering a few things: 1. You're not a prosecutor 2. You're not a citizen 3. You have no evidence 4. You've never interviewed a subject in the matter.  
So I have to compliment you on your amazing restraint, although you still continue to apply intent to the actions of people who you don't know, never spoke with, and are responsible for keeping Americans safe every day.  But keep at it, it makes a difference.  

Haaaa. An answer I've never seen you give to the constant insanity that oozes out of this place. Maybe this forum just ain't a place for you if random people riffing isn't your thing.

I don't mind random riffing, but the trolling you engaged in on Saturday deserves an appropriate response.  Second, the conspiracy mongering is worse than the 'Russia-gate', considering there was an actual special counsel for RG.  So until there are indictments on DOJ brass for violation of US Code related to the overthrow of the gov't, all you are doing is the very thing you were righteously railing against with the Tabbi article.  Riffing is not the same as hypocrisy.  

Nope. Sorry. The origin story is out there and legit. You are purposely avoiding known facts about the Papadopolous entrapment, DNC-Fusion GPS dossier fabrication, the participation of foreign intelligence agencies (thanks Halifax), FISA abuse, leaking to the media, the recycling of information, and the triggering of the special council. The only ingredient missing in this attempted coup was Trump firing Mueller. A necessary ingredient for an obstruction charge that never came to be. You purposely have zero curiosity about any of this. Are you concerned that it reaches all the way to the top? It's already been reported that the White House was involved in the discussions on the first FISA warrant. Some in the DOJ were uncomfortable asking for it. Page/Strozk/McCabe wanted it bad. What was Obama's involvement. It's just too painful for you to ask the question.

Whoa!  Now it's McCain AND Obama!  OMG, the conspiracy is just growing every post.  You make Tucker Carlson look fair and reasonable.  Hilarious.  @me when the indictments for the US Code hit, until then, you're just full of shit.  

Again. Apologies for making you uncomfortable. Just released Lisa Page text messages now make it an absolute fact that the White House was involved in the FISA application. Some in the DOJ were uncomfortable with proceeding and the White House got involved to move it forward. It all comes down to this meeting. Who was involved? What was the discussion that took place? Why was this application on Carter Page necessary at all? Why was exculpatory evidence withheld? A US citizen, who in the long run was charged with nothing, was spied on and was a significant gateway to the collusion investigation. Do I want the Mueller report released? Absolutely. But I want all this info released as well. You should too. Don't be afraid.

PJ_Soul

What the fuck.

The White House will get the Mueller report before the public does in case it wants to make redactions, Barr says

https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-mueller-report-white-house-executive-privilege-2019-3?fbclid=IwAR2aWvdSPvHx7qjn4Osjy-1oWcMR0rEK7JozUiXlGMSyFUc1QttKJlzW-34

Lerxst1992

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tbergs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

It's late for this, but I'm going to offer it anyways:

People can say what they want, but I respect @BS44325 for his efforts expressing where he is at in this entire affair. He's far from a 'troll' and in my opinion offers a level of credibility to the 'other' side.

I'm not saying I agree with him entirely- I don't. But his contributions are infinitely greater than 'woot' and 'MAGA' and 'lock her up'... and if I'm being honest... I pause for thought when reading his submissions. 

Yeah, I can appreciate it to an extent, but it's clear there is some trolling going on to. Most recently the "MAGA bitches" comment. There is a lot of pompous know-it-all in there even though it's a lot of speculation and mainly just meant to annoy the status quo in here who despise a gelatinous blob as president.

Not to mention the easily dispelled BS that he posts. But one example as he repeated the Faux News talking point regarding the Steele Dossier. I guess now Senator Graham is a liar?:

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday he had told Sen. John McCain to give the FBI the dossier on the Trump campaign’s alleged ties to Russia, a revelation that comes after Trump repeatedly assailed the late Arizona Republican over the issue.

Last week, Trump accused McCain of handing over the document “for very evil purposes.” McCain died of brain cancer in August.

Graham, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters Monday McCain showed him the dossier when he received it in late 2016.

“And I told him the only thing I knew to do with it, it could be a bunch of garbage, it could be true, who knows? Turn it over to somebody whose job it is to find these things out, and John McCain acted appropriately,” Graham said, according to CNN.

“He & the Dems, working together, failed (as usual). Even the Fake News refused this garbage!” Trump said in the tweet.

McCain was not made aware of the Steele dossier until Nov. 18, 2016 — after Trump had won the election. And while McCain himself gave the dossier to the FBI, there is no evidence he gave it to the media.

Former McCain aide David Kramer, a Russia expert, has testified that he gave the dossier to the media in December 2016.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-lindsey-graham-says-he-told-john-mccain-to-give-trump-russia-dossier-to-fbi/2019/03/25/f35e28ca-4f26-11e9-a3f7-78b7525a8d5f_story.html?utm_term=.8dd1dfc33b5c

I actually think this is an important angle to pick apart. McCain's and Kramer's hands were on it. Kramer seems to have done more active disseminating then McCain but this all needs to be drilled down on. Remember at this point the dossier was not new. The FBI had it months before but now it was being passed to media through Kramer and FBI again through McCain. Did they innocently have it handed to them and just did what they thought was right or were they participating in something else. This was recycled intelligence made to appear as corroborating intelligence from a non-partisan source. This story will be told. McCain's obvious war hero status is not a reason to look away. You all felt that way in the run up to 2008.

You mean were they participating in the coup rumor that you continue to propagate without regard to the lessons learned from Iraq?  

Yes. They were participating. The question is whether they were wittingly or unwittingly participating. Lindsey Graham believes McCain was an unwitting participant. Personally I am not ready to indict them or exonerate them.

I'm glad you aren't ready to indict them, considering a few things: 1. You're not a prosecutor 2. You're not a citizen 3. You have no evidence 4. You've never interviewed a subject in the matter.  
So I have to compliment you on your amazing restraint, although you still continue to apply intent to the actions of people who you don't know, never spoke with, and are responsible for keeping Americans safe every day.  But keep at it, it makes a difference.  

Haaaa. An answer I've never seen you give to the constant insanity that oozes out of this place. Maybe this forum just ain't a place for you if random people riffing isn't your thing.

I don't mind random riffing, but the trolling you engaged in on Saturday deserves an appropriate response.  Second, the conspiracy mongering is worse than the 'Russia-gate', considering there was an actual special counsel for RG.  So until there are indictments on DOJ brass for violation of US Code related to the overthrow of the gov't, all you are doing is the very thing you were righteously railing against with the Tabbi article.  Riffing is not the same as hypocrisy.  

Nope. Sorry. The origin story is out there and legit. You are purposely avoiding known facts about the Papadopolous entrapment, DNC-Fusion GPS dossier fabrication, the participation of foreign intelligence agencies (thanks Halifax), FISA abuse, leaking to the media, the recycling of information, and the triggering of the special council. The only ingredient missing in this attempted coup was Trump firing Mueller. A necessary ingredient for an obstruction charge that never came to be. You purposely have zero curiosity about any of this. Are you concerned that it reaches all the way to the top? It's already been reported that the White House was involved in the discussions on the first FISA warrant. Some in the DOJ were uncomfortable asking for it. Page/Strozk/McCabe wanted it bad. What was Obama's involvement. It's just too painful for you to ask the question.

This sounds alot like the Democrats conspiracy theories that Trump was a Russian asset.

I never thought that although I do believe he is guilty of Campaign crimes.

Trump said in his own voice Russia would be rewarded if they attacked Hillary, and their attacks intensified that very same day.

No fisa waarrnt. No dossier. No russian asset. None of that fox news bull $hit. Trumps own words brought this investigation on him.

Further, my understanding was it was illegal to receive anything of value from a foreign national, but in Barr's narrow definition, they only considered the "russian govt." Why did Barr raised the criminality bar so high? Pun intended.

Barr was brought in at the last minute to make sure this was handled just like he handled Iran Contra and just like he auditioned with his memo last summer.

mcgruff10

bbiggs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Not thousands like trump said but I definitely believe there were celebrations on 9/11. 
https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-police-captain-says-some-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911/

15-20 people. that amounts to basically zero. 

15-20 too many. 

Agreed. They should have been thrown in jail.

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Not thousands like trump said but I definitely believe there were celebrations on 9/11. 
https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-police-captain-says-some-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911/

15-20 people. that amounts to basically zero. 

15-20 too many. 

Agreed. They should have been thrown in jail.

For what?

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Not thousands like trump said but I definitely believe there were celebrations on 9/11. 
https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-police-captain-says-some-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911/

15-20 people. that amounts to basically zero. 

15-20 too many. 

Agreed. They should have been thrown in jail.

For what?

Disturbing the peace by celebrating an attack on us soil. 

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Not thousands like trump said but I definitely believe there were celebrations on 9/11. 
https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-police-captain-says-some-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911/

15-20 people. that amounts to basically zero. 

15-20 too many. 

Agreed. They should have been thrown in jail.

For what?

Disturbing the peace by celebrating an attack on us soil. 

A ton of people were out on the streets on 9/11 "disturbing the peace".

Pesky 1st Amendment, amiright?

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Not thousands like trump said but I definitely believe there were celebrations on 9/11. 
https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-police-captain-says-some-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911/

15-20 people. that amounts to basically zero. 

15-20 too many. 

Agreed. They should have been thrown in jail.

For what?

Disturbing the peace by celebrating an attack on us soil. 

A ton of people were out on the streets on 9/11 "disturbing the peace".

Pesky 1st Amendment, amiright?

I wonder if the first amendment would cover them? (The people celebrating the attacks)  I m not sure.  

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Not thousands like trump said but I definitely believe there were celebrations on 9/11. 
https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-police-captain-says-some-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911/

15-20 people. that amounts to basically zero. 

15-20 too many. 

Agreed. They should have been thrown in jail.

For what?

Disturbing the peace by celebrating an attack on us soil. 

A ton of people were out on the streets on 9/11 "disturbing the peace".

Pesky 1st Amendment, amiright?

I wonder if the first amendment would cover them?  I m not sure.  

I'm positive that it would. Why wouldn't it?