Donald Trump

Thirty Bills Unpaid

It's late for this, but I'm going to offer it anyways:

People can say what they want, but I respect @BS44325 for his efforts expressing where he is at in this entire affair. He's far from a 'troll' and in my opinion offers a level of credibility to the 'other' side.

I'm not saying I agree with him entirely- I don't. But his contributions are infinitely greater than 'woot' and 'MAGA' and 'lock her up'... and if I'm being honest... I pause for thought when reading his submissions. 

RoleModelsinBlood31

josevolution said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Meltdown99 said:

House vote to stop Trump's border plan unlikely to succeed

https://apple.news/AHR4unoRIRBK8OlJ0kNvyMg

Hell yeah-  saw that the pentagon released 1 billion and they’re building 57 miles of it near Yuma and El Paso.  Good stuff.  The media was focused on the mueller waste of time but 5000 illegal immigrants were stopped this past weekend alone. It’s out of control.  In San Antonio ice just drops off these people at these bus stops after they’ve been detained near churches and they can’t feed or clothe them because they’re out of supplies and overflowing with people.  The diseases are worrisome as very few of them are vaccinated at all.

Yeah they are so dirty and full of germs why help them just build a wall and puff no more diseases we can all rest easy no more flu season ..

I have no problem at all with immigration- illegal immigration is a problem though, and that’s obvious.

tbergs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

It's late for this, but I'm going to offer it anyways:

People can say what they want, but I respect @BS44325 for his efforts expressing where he is at in this entire affair. He's far from a 'troll' and in my opinion offers a level of credibility to the 'other' side.

I'm not saying I agree with him entirely- I don't. But his contributions are infinitely greater than 'woot' and 'MAGA' and 'lock her up'... and if I'm being honest... I pause for thought when reading his submissions. 

Yeah, I can appreciate it to an extent, but it's clear there is some trolling going on to. Most recently the "MAGA bitches" comment. There is a lot of pompous know-it-all in there even though it's a lot of speculation and mainly just meant to annoy the status quo in here who despise a gelatinous blob as president.

HesCalledDyer

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilrh-tuQw8s

Every Trump apologist needs to take an hour and 17 minutes and listen to this.  Great post, SC!

RoleModelsinBlood31

HesCalledDyer said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilrh-tuQw8s

Every Trump apologist needs to take an hour and 17 minutes and listen to this.  Great post, SC!

If it was a minute and 17 I’d be all over it

my2hands

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

It's late for this, but I'm going to offer it anyways:

People can say what they want, but I respect @BS44325 for his efforts expressing where he is at in this entire affair. He's far from a 'troll' and in my opinion offers a level of credibility to the 'other' side.

I'm not saying I agree with him entirely- I don't. But his contributions are infinitely greater than 'woot' and 'MAGA' and 'lock her up'... and if I'm being honest... I pause for thought when reading his submissions. 

100%

Echo chambers are bad, and boring 

HesCalledDyer

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilrh-tuQw8s

Every Trump apologist needs to take an hour and 17 minutes and listen to this.  Great post, SC!

If it was a minute and 17 I’d be all over it

Your loss.

RoleModelsinBlood31

HesCalledDyer said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilrh-tuQw8s

Every Trump apologist needs to take an hour and 17 minutes and listen to this.  Great post, SC!

If it was a minute and 17 I’d be all over it

Your loss.

Ok, I’m so bummed!  I def don’t have an hour and 17 minutes these days!

ikiT

He hardly has a mandate to start in on the ACA.  
He was BARELY not indicted.  Hooray!  What a patriot.

ikiT

Don Trump.  I mean come on.

ikiT

#PTAPE

Halifax2TheMax

tbergs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

It's late for this, but I'm going to offer it anyways:

People can say what they want, but I respect @BS44325 for his efforts expressing where he is at in this entire affair. He's far from a 'troll' and in my opinion offers a level of credibility to the 'other' side.

I'm not saying I agree with him entirely- I don't. But his contributions are infinitely greater than 'woot' and 'MAGA' and 'lock her up'... and if I'm being honest... I pause for thought when reading his submissions. 

Yeah, I can appreciate it to an extent, but it's clear there is some trolling going on to. Most recently the "MAGA bitches" comment. There is a lot of pompous know-it-all in there even though it's a lot of speculation and mainly just meant to annoy the status quo in here who despise a gelatinous blob as president.

Not to mention the easily dispelled BS that he posts. But one example as he repeated the Faux News talking point regarding the Steele Dossier. I guess now Senator Graham is a liar?:

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday he had told Sen. John McCain to give the FBI the dossier on the Trump campaign’s alleged ties to Russia, a revelation that comes after Trump repeatedly assailed the late Arizona Republican over the issue.

Last week, Trump accused McCain of handing over the document “for very evil purposes.” McCain died of brain cancer in August.

Graham, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters Monday McCain showed him the dossier when he received it in late 2016.

“And I told him the only thing I knew to do with it, it could be a bunch of garbage, it could be true, who knows? Turn it over to somebody whose job it is to find these things out, and John McCain acted appropriately,” Graham said, according to CNN.

“He & the Dems, working together, failed (as usual). Even the Fake News refused this garbage!” Trump said in the tweet.

McCain was not made aware of the Steele dossier until Nov. 18, 2016 — after Trump had won the election. And while McCain himself gave the dossier to the FBI, there is no evidence he gave it to the media.

Former McCain aide David Kramer, a Russia expert, has testified that he gave the dossier to the media in December 2016.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-lindsey-graham-says-he-told-john-mccain-to-give-trump-russia-dossier-to-fbi/2019/03/25/f35e28ca-4f26-11e9-a3f7-78b7525a8d5f_story.html?utm_term=.8dd1dfc33b5c

my2hands

Tiki said:

#PTAPE

#Doesn'tExist

josevolution

Now it’s onto dismantling Obamacare fuck the pre existing conditions after all the BS he spewed on how he wants everyone to keep their insurance, now it’s let’s get rid of Obamacare all together ..

mrussel1

josevolution said:

Now it’s onto dismantling Obamacare fuck the pre existing conditions after all the BS he spewed on how he wants everyone to keep their insurance, now it’s let’s get rid of Obamacare all together ..

It's a political gift to Democrats.  

PJ_Soul

bbiggs said:

I don’t understand the anger by many after finding out we don’t have a Russian operative in the White House. I understand not liking the guy or disagreeing with his politics, but I’ll opt for the outcome we received over the alternative.  Imagine if we found out that our current system truly allowed a Russian spy to infiltrate the highest office in America. 

But this hasn't changed the fact that Trump sides with Russia before he does his own intelligence agencies. So how do you figure there isn't a figurative "Russian operative" in the WH? And nobody has even read the report. What I don't understand is why people think questions have been answered at this point, and that somehow now there is nothing to worry about with Trump. NO questions have actually be answered yet, and obviously there is a LOT to worry about with Trump. Whatever "anger" there is is coming from the fact that so many are acting like Trump is exonerated from all wrong-doing, which is obviously laughable as well as infuriating. Especially since the GOP is so SMUG about their ridiculous and dangerous conclusion. Yes, DANGEROUS. The anger isn't at all about "wanting" Trump to have colluded and obstructed justice. I think it's from the fact that most people know that Trump is guilty AF of a lot of things, including those two things in one way or another, even though he can't be indicted for them, and now it's starting to feel like he's just going to fucking get away with it all. But worse, it seems like those who know Trump is a fucking criminal are now being accused of being full of shit. It's all being turned around by the bad guys and it's very Orwellian in nature.

benjs

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Meltdown99 said:

House vote to stop Trump's border plan unlikely to succeed

https://apple.news/AHR4unoRIRBK8OlJ0kNvyMg

Hell yeah-  saw that the pentagon released 1 billion and they’re building 57 miles of it near Yuma and El Paso.  Good stuff.  The media was focused on the mueller waste of time but 5000 illegal immigrants were stopped this past weekend alone. It’s out of control.  In San Antonio ice just drops off these people at these bus stops after they’ve been detained near churches and they can’t feed or clothe them because they’re out of supplies and overflowing with people.  The diseases are worrisome as very few of them are vaccinated at all.

Don't forget that the number of undocumented immigrants that ICE detains doesn't correlate with the number of undocumented immigrants coming into the US at any given time - it only correlates with the amount of energy they've been instructed to spend to detain persons. If Trump had said "ease back a bit", they'd have picked up less than 5000. What you're seeing does not mean a problem is getting worse - it means your President is tolerating less.

I'm not opposed to building the wall from a moral perspective - a country truly is entitled to fortify its borders if it chooses - but I find it short-sighted, and unnecessary (along with the things that come with it - the perceived cruelty, the real divide, the logistical challenges with a major trade partner, the increase in processing needs per border crossing and thus potential for bottleneck, and the cost of the thing, for no truly indicated or expected results).

I also think from a purely economic perspective, it's been understood for some time now that the jobs occupied by undocumented immigrants have effectively established a new market value for that labour, because they take the work that US citizens never wanted, and do it at a price US citizens deem beneath them. This means that if that influx disappears, businesses have to bear a newly increased cost for the labour. Businesses don't typically accept increased costs for labour - instead, they hire less, ask more of current employees, and have clients subsidize these realities with increased prices.

Putting all of these together, I think it's likely that the lasting legacy of a wall will be exploitation of the Mexican government (just like applying sanctions, it's another great way to restrict a country's global power while exerting your own, and gain trade negotiating leverage), the de-weaving of the social fabric with respect to US-Mexican cultural exchanges, security risks (when you threaten an entire neighbouring country's livelihood and escape route to safety, you should expect this), a less powerful internal economy where businesses act more frugally (as discussed above), a more expensive life with respect to consumer products, busier borders making trade more difficult.

Like I said, morally, if Trump wants to do this, he can, but he should know that he will own the costs and not just the benefits he perceives of this. You should know the costs too - and you should be concerned (whether you want this or not) that Trump doesn't want to talk about them.

Spiritual_Chaos

my2hands said:

Tiki said:

#PTAPE

#Doesn'tExist

Come on, you know it's a bigger chance it do exist than it doesn't. 

HughFreakingDillon

benjs said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Meltdown99 said:

House vote to stop Trump's border plan unlikely to succeed

https://apple.news/AHR4unoRIRBK8OlJ0kNvyMg

Hell yeah-  saw that the pentagon released 1 billion and they’re building 57 miles of it near Yuma and El Paso.  Good stuff.  The media was focused on the mueller waste of time but 5000 illegal immigrants were stopped this past weekend alone. It’s out of control.  In San Antonio ice just drops off these people at these bus stops after they’ve been detained near churches and they can’t feed or clothe them because they’re out of supplies and overflowing with people.  The diseases are worrisome as very few of them are vaccinated at all.

Don't forget that the number of undocumented immigrants that ICE detains doesn't correlate with the number of undocumented immigrants coming into the US at any given time - it only correlates with the amount of energy they've been instructed to spend to detain persons. If Trump had said "ease back a bit", they'd have picked up less than 5000. What you're seeing does not mean a problem is getting worse - it means your President is tolerating less.

I'm not opposed to building the wall from a moral perspective - a country truly is entitled to fortify its borders if it chooses - but I find it short-sighted, and unnecessary (along with the things that come with it - the perceived cruelty, the real divide, the logistical challenges with a major trade partner, the increase in processing needs per border crossing and thus potential for bottleneck, and the cost of the thing, for no truly indicated or expected results).

I also think from a purely economic perspective, it's been understood for some time now that the jobs occupied by undocumented immigrants have effectively established a new market value for that labour, because they take the work that US citizens never wanted, and do it at a price US citizens deem beneath them. This means that if that influx disappears, businesses have to bear a newly increased cost for the labour. Businesses don't typically accept increased costs for labour - instead, they hire less, ask more of current employees, and have clients subsidize these realities with increased prices.

Putting all of these together, I think it's likely that the lasting legacy of a wall will be exploitation of the Mexican government (just like applying sanctions, it's another great way to restrict a country's global power while exerting your own, and gain trade negotiating leverage), the de-weaving of the social fabric with respect to US-Mexican cultural exchanges, security risks (when you threaten an entire neighbouring country's livelihood and escape route to safety, you should expect this), a less powerful internal economy where businesses act more frugally (as discussed above), a more expensive life with respect to consumer products, busier borders making trade more difficult.

Like I said, morally, if Trump wants to do this, he can, but he should know that he will own the costs and not just the benefits he perceives of this. You should know the costs too - and you should be concerned (whether you want this or not) that Trump doesn't want to talk about them.

You know, I (and many others) have been beating this drum for the longest time that wall proponents simply don't get: the effect this will have on the economy as a whole and their own wallets, specifically. 

-illegal immigrants are working in fields and construction sites for pennies on the dollar
-americans make more than those wages on welfare

They are not taking your jobs. americans are giving them to them. 
costs will inevitably increase substantially, and then all the wall bangers will be pissing and moaning about paying $3 an apple and thousands more for renos on their house. 

these issues don't matter to the people on the Hill. they can afford these increases. they are using your own fear and racist tendencies against what's actually best for you. 

BS44325

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

It's late for this, but I'm going to offer it anyways:

People can say what they want, but I respect @BS44325 for his efforts expressing where he is at in this entire affair. He's far from a 'troll' and in my opinion offers a level of credibility to the 'other' side.

I'm not saying I agree with him entirely- I don't. But his contributions are infinitely greater than 'woot' and 'MAGA' and 'lock her up'... and if I'm being honest... I pause for thought when reading his submissions. 

I appreciate this