Donald Trump

Bentleyspop

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Not thousands like trump said but I definitely believe there were celebrations on 9/11. 
https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-police-captain-says-some-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911/

15-20 people. that amounts to basically zero. 

15-20 too many. 

Agreed. They should have been thrown in jail.

For what?

Disturbing the peace by celebrating an attack on us soil. 

A ton of people were out on the streets on 9/11 "disturbing the peace".

Pesky 1st Amendment, amiright?

I wonder if the first amendment would cover them? (The people celebrating the attacks)  I m not sure.  

Nope sorry
The freedom of speech only applies to white christian males speaking In support of....
guns
pro life
The current president 
'murica

Oh stop with that.  I honestly don’t know if the first amendment covers when you support/celebrate the enemy. Can you legally fly an al queda or isis flag?  It s a legit question. 
By the way, do you support those people who celebrated the twin towers being attacked?

Do I support their right to Express themselves out loud and publicly?
You're damn right I do
Do I agree with or support what they are rumored to have done and said?
Absolutely not

HesCalledDyer

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Not thousands like trump said but I definitely believe there were celebrations on 9/11. 
https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-police-captain-says-some-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911/

15-20 people. that amounts to basically zero. 

15-20 too many. 

Agreed. They should have been thrown in jail.

For what?

Disturbing the peace by celebrating an attack on us soil. 

A ton of people were out on the streets on 9/11 "disturbing the peace".

Pesky 1st Amendment, amiright?

I wonder if the first amendment would cover them? (The people celebrating the attacks)  I m not sure.  

Nope sorry
The freedom of speech only applies to white christian males speaking In support of....
guns
pro life
The current president 
'murica

Oh stop with that.  I honestly don’t know if the first amendment covers when you support/celebrate the enemy. Can you legally fly an al queda or isis flag?  It s a legit question. 
By the way, do you support those people who celebrated the twin towers being attacked?

It sure seems to cover Nazis, the KKK, and other hate groups.  It certainly seemed to cover people both in the streets and online celebrating running Dodge Chargers over and killing "that fat, ugly bitch" [sic] in Charlottesville.

dignin

Found a copy of the whitehouse redacted Mueller report.       (on Reddit )

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mcgruff10

HesCalledDyer said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Not thousands like trump said but I definitely believe there were celebrations on 9/11. 
https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-police-captain-says-some-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911/

15-20 people. that amounts to basically zero. 

15-20 too many. 

Agreed. They should have been thrown in jail.

For what?

Disturbing the peace by celebrating an attack on us soil. 

A ton of people were out on the streets on 9/11 "disturbing the peace".

Pesky 1st Amendment, amiright?

I wonder if the first amendment would cover them? (The people celebrating the attacks)  I m not sure.  

Nope sorry
The freedom of speech only applies to white christian males speaking In support of....
guns
pro life
The current president 
'murica

Oh stop with that.  I honestly don’t know if the first amendment covers when you support/celebrate the enemy. Can you legally fly an al queda or isis flag?  It s a legit question. 
By the way, do you support those people who celebrated the twin towers being attacked?

It sure seems to cover Nazis, the KKK, and other hate groups.  It certainly seemed to cover people both in the streets and online celebrating running Dodge Chargers over and killing "that fat, ugly bitch" [sic] in Charlottesville.

Hey the rules have changed since 9/11, I honestly didn't know.  oh yeah, I took a poli sci class like twenty something years ago, I don't remember shit. lol

Spiritual_Chaos

You guys need to start agreeing on how much freedomest the unique and unheard of freedom om speech ™ in the US is.

Bentleyspop

Spiritual_Chaos said:

You guys need to start agreeing on how much freedomest the unique and unheard of freedom om speech ™ in the US is.

Huh?

Halifax2TheMax

“It started as a counterintelligence investigation and it needs to end as a counterintelligence investigation.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/barrs-summary-omits-key-aspect-muellers-report/585703/

mcgruff10

Bentleyspop said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Not thousands like trump said but I definitely believe there were celebrations on 9/11. 
https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-police-captain-says-some-muslims-did-celebrate-on-911/

15-20 people. that amounts to basically zero. 

15-20 too many. 

Agreed. They should have been thrown in jail.

For what?

Disturbing the peace by celebrating an attack on us soil. 

A ton of people were out on the streets on 9/11 "disturbing the peace".

Pesky 1st Amendment, amiright?

I wonder if the first amendment would cover them? (The people celebrating the attacks)  I m not sure.  

Nope sorry
The freedom of speech only applies to white christian males speaking In support of....
guns
pro life
The current president 
'murica

Oh stop with that.  I honestly don’t know if the first amendment covers when you support/celebrate the enemy. Can you legally fly an al queda or isis flag?  It s a legit question. 
By the way, do you support those people who celebrated the twin towers being attacked?

Do I support their right to Express themselves out loud and publicly?
You're damn right I do
Do I agree with or support what they are rumored to have done and said?
Absolutely not

Yeah I 100% agree with you. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mrussel1 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tbergs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

It's late for this, but I'm going to offer it anyways:

People can say what they want, but I respect @BS44325 for his efforts expressing where he is at in this entire affair. He's far from a 'troll' and in my opinion offers a level of credibility to the 'other' side.

I'm not saying I agree with him entirely- I don't. But his contributions are infinitely greater than 'woot' and 'MAGA' and 'lock her up'... and if I'm being honest... I pause for thought when reading his submissions. 

Yeah, I can appreciate it to an extent, but it's clear there is some trolling going on to. Most recently the "MAGA bitches" comment. There is a lot of pompous know-it-all in there even though it's a lot of speculation and mainly just meant to annoy the status quo in here who despise a gelatinous blob as president.

Not to mention the easily dispelled BS that he posts. But one example as he repeated the Faux News talking point regarding the Steele Dossier. I guess now Senator Graham is a liar?:

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday he had told Sen. John McCain to give the FBI the dossier on the Trump campaign’s alleged ties to Russia, a revelation that comes after Trump repeatedly assailed the late Arizona Republican over the issue.

Last week, Trump accused McCain of handing over the document “for very evil purposes.” McCain died of brain cancer in August.

Graham, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters Monday McCain showed him the dossier when he received it in late 2016.

“And I told him the only thing I knew to do with it, it could be a bunch of garbage, it could be true, who knows? Turn it over to somebody whose job it is to find these things out, and John McCain acted appropriately,” Graham said, according to CNN.

“He & the Dems, working together, failed (as usual). Even the Fake News refused this garbage!” Trump said in the tweet.

McCain was not made aware of the Steele dossier until Nov. 18, 2016 — after Trump had won the election. And while McCain himself gave the dossier to the FBI, there is no evidence he gave it to the media.

Former McCain aide David Kramer, a Russia expert, has testified that he gave the dossier to the media in December 2016.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-lindsey-graham-says-he-told-john-mccain-to-give-trump-russia-dossier-to-fbi/2019/03/25/f35e28ca-4f26-11e9-a3f7-78b7525a8d5f_story.html?utm_term=.8dd1dfc33b5c

I actually think this is an important angle to pick apart. McCain's and Kramer's hands were on it. Kramer seems to have done more active disseminating then McCain but this all needs to be drilled down on. Remember at this point the dossier was not new. The FBI had it months before but now it was being passed to media through Kramer and FBI again through McCain. Did they innocently have it handed to them and just did what they thought was right or were they participating in something else. This was recycled intelligence made to appear as corroborating intelligence from a non-partisan source. This story will be told. McCain's obvious war hero status is not a reason to look away. You all felt that way in the run up to 2008.

You mean were they participating in the coup rumor that you continue to propagate without regard to the lessons learned from Iraq?  

Yes. They were participating. The question is whether they were wittingly or unwittingly participating. Lindsey Graham believes McCain was an unwitting participant. Personally I am not ready to indict them or exonerate them.

I'm glad you aren't ready to indict them, considering a few things: 1. You're not a prosecutor 2. You're not a citizen 3. You have no evidence 4. You've never interviewed a subject in the matter.  
So I have to compliment you on your amazing restraint, although you still continue to apply intent to the actions of people who you don't know, never spoke with, and are responsible for keeping Americans safe every day.  But keep at it, it makes a difference.  

Haaaa. An answer I've never seen you give to the constant insanity that oozes out of this place. Maybe this forum just ain't a place for you if random people riffing isn't your thing.

I don't mind random riffing, but the trolling you engaged in on Saturday deserves an appropriate response.  Second, the conspiracy mongering is worse than the 'Russia-gate', considering there was an actual special counsel for RG.  So until there are indictments on DOJ brass for violation of US Code related to the overthrow of the gov't, all you are doing is the very thing you were righteously railing against with the Tabbi article.  Riffing is not the same as hypocrisy.  

Nope. Sorry. The origin story is out there and legit. You are purposely avoiding known facts about the Papadopolous entrapment, DNC-Fusion GPS dossier fabrication, the participation of foreign intelligence agencies (thanks Halifax), FISA abuse, leaking to the media, the recycling of information, and the triggering of the special council. The only ingredient missing in this attempted coup was Trump firing Mueller. A necessary ingredient for an obstruction charge that never came to be. You purposely have zero curiosity about any of this. Are you concerned that it reaches all the way to the top? It's already been reported that the White House was involved in the discussions on the first FISA warrant. Some in the DOJ were uncomfortable asking for it. Page/Strozk/McCabe wanted it bad. What was Obama's involvement. It's just too painful for you to ask the question.

Just when you think you’ve heard it all, “the origin story.”
 

the Christians call it Genesis

Is that the one with the muslims dancing in the streets of Jersey City?

Yes, that happened at the same time Trump was running into building 2 to pull people out.  

Another doozie he’s spewed. Just no end to them. What a twit.

ikiT

PJ_Soul said:

What the fuck.

The White House will get the Mueller report before the public does in case it wants to make redactions, Barr says

https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-mueller-report-white-house-executive-privilege-2019-3?fbclid=IwAR2aWvdSPvHx7qjn4Osjy-1oWcMR0rEK7JozUiXlGMSyFUc1QttKJlzW-34

Dictator says what?

PJ_Soul

Tiki said:

PJ_Soul said:

What the fuck.

The White House will get the Mueller report before the public does in case it wants to make redactions, Barr says

https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-mueller-report-white-house-executive-privilege-2019-3?fbclid=IwAR2aWvdSPvHx7qjn4Osjy-1oWcMR0rEK7JozUiXlGMSyFUc1QttKJlzW-34

Dictator says what?

Ledbetterman10

PJ_Soul said:

What the fuck.

The White House will get the Mueller report before the public does in case it wants to make redactions, Barr says

https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-mueller-report-white-house-executive-privilege-2019-3?fbclid=IwAR2aWvdSPvHx7qjn4Osjy-1oWcMR0rEK7JozUiXlGMSyFUc1QttKJlzW-34

What a load of crap that would be. I know he's the president, but he shouldn't have the authority to make redactions. Frankly, the only things that should ever be redacted from a report (any report, not just this one) is classified information and information about civilians that are indirectly involved with investigations (like witnesses). Everything else should be fair game. 

It's funny, I see some conservative commentators make reference to Orwell's 1984 because of the "fake news media" that Trump always rants about, but the subject of an investigation being given the authority to redact a report about himself is WAY more Orwellian. 

PJ_Soul

Well he certainly shouldn't have the authority to make reactions on the report from an investigation of himself, that's for sure! Still waiting for those "checks and balances" to kick in, lol.

Halifax2TheMax

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

What the fuck.

The White House will get the Mueller report before the public does in case it wants to make redactions, Barr says

https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-mueller-report-white-house-executive-privilege-2019-3?fbclid=IwAR2aWvdSPvHx7qjn4Osjy-1oWcMR0rEK7JozUiXlGMSyFUc1QttKJlzW-34

What a load of crap that would be. I know he's the president, but he shouldn't have the authority to make redactions. Frankly, the only things that should ever be redacted from a report (any report, not just this one) is classified information and information about civilians that are indirectly involved with investigations (like witnesses). Everything else should be fair game. 

It's funny, I see some conservative commentators make reference to Orwell's 1984 because of the "fake news media" that Trump always rants about, but the subject of an investigation being given the authority to redact a report about himself is WAY more Orwellian. 

And the contents of the redacted parts should be disclosed behind closed doors to the respective intelligence committees.

Ledbetterman10

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

What the fuck.

The White House will get the Mueller report before the public does in case it wants to make redactions, Barr says

https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-mueller-report-white-house-executive-privilege-2019-3?fbclid=IwAR2aWvdSPvHx7qjn4Osjy-1oWcMR0rEK7JozUiXlGMSyFUc1QttKJlzW-34

What a load of crap that would be. I know he's the president, but he shouldn't have the authority to make redactions. Frankly, the only things that should ever be redacted from a report (any report, not just this one) is classified information and information about civilians that are indirectly involved with investigations (like witnesses). Everything else should be fair game. 

It's funny, I see some conservative commentators make reference to Orwell's 1984 because of the "fake news media" that Trump always rants about, but the subject of an investigation being given the authority to redact a report about himself is WAY more Orwellian. 

And the contents of the redacted parts should be disclosed behind closed doors to the respective intelligence committees.

You'd think that'd go without saying, but I bet Trump thinks to redact something would be to completely erase it from existence. 

my2hands

People excusing even the thought of Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks?

I'm all for freedom of speech, but c'mon folks? That wasn't a rally of fucking Illinois Nazi's, that was a disastrous terrorist attack. 

Halifax2TheMax

What are they hiding? Team Trump Treason and Barr so low? No reason to withhold grand jury testimony unless the case has been turned over to another prosecutor as Team Mueller is finished. So? What are they hiding 

mrussel1

my2hands said:

People excusing even the thought of Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks?

I'm all for freedom of speech, but c'mon folks? That wasn't a rally of fucking Illinois Nazi's, that was a disastrous terrorist attack. 

It's easy to be for freedom of speech when it isn't objectionable.  The test of the amendment is when we find the speech reprehensible.  

mcgruff10

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

People excusing even the thought of Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks?

I'm all for freedom of speech, but c'mon folks? That wasn't a rally of fucking Illinois Nazi's, that was a disastrous terrorist attack. 

It's easy to be for freedom of speech when it isn't objectionable.  The test of the amendment is when we find the speech reprehensible.  

True.  But those people celebrating deserve a genuine ass whooping.  

tbergs

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

People excusing even the thought of Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks?

I'm all for freedom of speech, but c'mon folks? That wasn't a rally of fucking Illinois Nazi's, that was a disastrous terrorist attack. 

It's easy to be for freedom of speech when it isn't objectionable.  The test of the amendment is when we find the speech reprehensible.  

True.  But those people celebrating deserve a genuine ass whooping.  

And somewhere in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. is a grieving widow whose family was killed in a drone strike who feels the same way and thus the cycle continues. It's the pathetic human need for vengeance.