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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,709
    tRump is clearing going with the "don't cause panic" defense.  The problem is that he was openly chastising his own team when they were trying to sound the alarm.  

    tRump is not your normal leader.  He will never admit fault and his denial of fault is why his people like him.

    This will not budge his support.  Hopefully we see some effect among independents.
    Too bad everyone was saying the opposite of him, so that is a weak argument.  The only 'panic' was from the Trump base storming legislatures and attacking grocery clerks. 
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303

    Dangerous' and 'unfit': Trump's former national security advisers say he has 'no moral compass' in new Woodward book





    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/president-trump-national-security-advisers-rage-book/index.html

    I think this stuff doesn't help Trump.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,831
    By the way, all kidding aside, I am a big proponent of the word, "folks." Use it all the time when speaking to married couples at work. Especially older ones. They love it!

    Not I.  When I see that I think of Rush Limbaugh.  "This is what they're doing, folks!"  I've probably heard 15 cumulative minutes of Rush in my life and he probably said "folks" 15 times.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,831
    dignin said:

    Dangerous' and 'unfit': Trump's former national security advisers say he has 'no moral compass' in new Woodward book





    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/president-trump-national-security-advisers-rage-book/index.html

    I think this stuff doesn't help Trump.
    Help? No.
    Hurt?  Probably not.

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,707
    edited September 2020
    OnWis97 said:
    dignin said:

    Dangerous' and 'unfit': Trump's former national security advisers say he has 'no moral compass' in new Woodward book





    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/president-trump-national-security-advisers-rage-book/index.html

    I think this stuff doesn't help Trump.
    Help? No.
    Hurt?  Probably not.

    Example A.


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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    OnWis97 said:
    dignin said:

    Dangerous' and 'unfit': Trump's former national security advisers say he has 'no moral compass' in new Woodward book





    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/president-trump-national-security-advisers-rage-book/index.html

    I think this stuff doesn't help Trump.
    Help? No.
    Hurt?  Probably not.

    There are still undecided voters out there. Lots of them, enough to decide who becomes president. All this matters. I've said it from the beginning of this fiasco of an administration, ignore the Trumpers, go after the ones that stayed home last election. There are millions of them.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    OnWis97 said:
    dignin said:

    Dangerous' and 'unfit': Trump's former national security advisers say he has 'no moral compass' in new Woodward book





    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/president-trump-national-security-advisers-rage-book/index.html

    I think this stuff doesn't help Trump.
    Help? No.
    Hurt?  Probably not.

    Example A.


    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/283837/the-coronavirus/p356
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,522
    shows how dumb the deplorables are and what a sociopathic POS Trump is that there is even a debate that this could hurt him.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,359
    tRump is clearing going with the "don't cause panic" defense.  The problem is that he was openly chastising his own team when they were trying to sound the alarm.  

    tRump is not your normal leader.  He will never admit fault and his denial of fault is why his people like him.

    This will not budge his support.  Hopefully we see some effect among independents.
    This excuse is ludicrous coming from the guy who brought us such classics as Mexicans are Bringing Their Rapists Here in 2016, The Caravan Invasion of 2018, and The Joe Biden Wants to Destroy the Suburbs of 2020.

    His whole political life has been built on instilling fear and panic on 40% of the electorate.

    lol 
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,522
    I remember back on 9-11, it was the same excuse for Bush when he sat for 9 minutes in front of a kindergarten.

    The excuse was 'what was he supposed to do get up yelling and screaming causing panic?'

    No, but he should be Presidential and say, 'sorry kids...blah blah' and excuse himself to attend to matters at hand.

    At least that was spur of the moment.  This was a concerted effort to downplay causing widespread death.  And then downplayed for months.
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    Smellyman said:
    I remember back on 9-11, it was the same excuse for Bush when he sat for 9 minutes in front of a kindergarten.

    The excuse was 'what was he supposed to do get up yelling and screaming causing panic?'

    No, but he should be Presidential and say, 'sorry kids...blah blah' and excuse himself to attend to matters at hand.

    At least that was spur of the moment.  This was a concerted effort to downplay causing widespread death.  And then downplayed for months.
    And don’t forget that it’s been reported that our intelligence agencies were raising red flags as early as late November/early December that something was going on in China. What did Team Trump Treason do? Praised Xi and eventually praised China’s response. But he knows more than his generals.

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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,169
    Will it matter to his 40%?  Unfortunately I doubt it...
    Who cares about them? It's the other 5% who seem to be on board with him every now and then who matters. 

    ALL polling says Covid is far and away the biggest issue right now. Here we have ON TAPE Trump admitting he downplayed the fucking thing. 

    Game over. 
    overheard in 2016: "here we have ON TAPE trump admitting he sexually assaults women. game over". 

    You realize an hour later trump had stone call assange to get the illegally seized emails released...which fed right into the "Hillary email" problem. 

    You realize we had no idea at the time trump was coordinating this with putin. You realize at the time we had no idea trump was sharing detailed polling data with Russian spies to micro target social media ads in WI & MI

    You realize Biden is not Hilary?
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,169
    Anyone have a link to the audio of these tapes? 
    Cnn.com. I think they’re everywhere 
    Yeah it's here: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump-coronavirus/index.html

    I don't think this is a big a deathnail in his presidency as you've made it out to be in your previous few posts....because it's not really new information. He's been minimizing the threat the entire time. He'll spin the audio as "not trying to cause a panic" being a positive thing (it's not, but that's how it'll be spun). And it's consistent with how he's been the entire time. "There's 15 cases, but it'll be down to zero next week." There's been millions of cases. "It will go away when the weather gets warm." It didn't. And various other examples of him minimizing it. I don't think this audio is any worse than those statements. Actually, it's better. Those statements were flat-out false and he sounded stupid saying them. Here, again from a spin-perspective, he could at least hang his red hat on not wanting to cause a panic. 

    All that said, this will be used in ads against him and could hurt him. But I don't think it's any more "devestating" than the rest of his day-to-day bullshit be used in ads against him. 
    When people look back at this race, they're gonna talk about this book and the tapes, in particular, as the pivotal moment. Just wait and see. I know they just came out, and I am speculating, but yeah, this is a pretty, pretty big deal, folks.

    Looking forward to 60 Minutes on Sunday. 
    to be fair, i think future generations are going to look at the tape of him mocking the r,disabled reporter on the campaign in 2016 and wonder how the fuck he survived that moment. the rest just adds to the astonishment.
    True. I'm specifically talking about the state of this campaign though. I think Biden's picking up momentum from this. 
    as long as he can remain coherent on his campaign stops and during the debates....which is a big if. 
    Debates will be huge, no doubt. One of the main differences between this year and 2016, other than Biden's steady lead and consistently sitting around 50% compared to HRC in the mid 40's, is how many people have already made up their minds though. 

    We may be focusing on the wrong recordings today. It may not be the covid one that seals trumps fate. 

    It might be his use of the p word this time that sinks him.


    All Biden needs to do to win the debates:

    " Y'know Don, we have many generals and military leaders watching us debate right now, who didn't get their daddy to bribe a doctor to get them a medical deferment to avoid serving America in wartime. 

    Please Don, look straight into the camera and explain to your fellow Americans how these leaders and Generals  are pussies and you are not."



    Mic drop.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,896
    Will it matter to his 40%?  Unfortunately I doubt it...
    Who cares about them? It's the other 5% who seem to be on board with him every now and then who matters. 

    ALL polling says Covid is far and away the biggest issue right now. Here we have ON TAPE Trump admitting he downplayed the fucking thing. 

    Game over. 
    overheard in 2016: "here we have ON TAPE trump admitting he sexually assaults women. game over". 

    You realize an hour later trump had stone call assange to get the illegally seized emails released...which fed right into the "Hillary email" problem. 

    You realize we had no idea at the time trump was coordinating this with putin. You realize at the time we had no idea trump was sharing detailed polling data with Russian spies to micro target social media ads in WI & MI

    You realize Biden is not Hilary?
    i'm not sure what you are going on about. my post was basically highlighting the fact that over the past 5 years, every single idiotic/illegal thing he has done has been apparently "the end of his presidency", only it never was. 
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    How’s the 4,5, even 6% growth coming along?

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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Will it matter to his 40%?  Unfortunately I doubt it...
    Who cares about them? It's the other 5% who seem to be on board with him every now and then who matters. 

    ALL polling says Covid is far and away the biggest issue right now. Here we have ON TAPE Trump admitting he downplayed the fucking thing. 

    Game over. 
    overheard in 2016: "here we have ON TAPE trump admitting he sexually assaults women. game over". 

    You realize an hour later trump had stone call assange to get the illegally seized emails released...which fed right into the "Hillary email" problem. 

    You realize we had no idea at the time trump was coordinating this with putin. You realize at the time we had no idea trump was sharing detailed polling data with Russian spies to micro target social media ads in WI & MI

    You realize Biden is not Hilary?
    i'm not sure what you are going on about. my post was basically highlighting the fact that over the past 5 years, every single idiotic/illegal thing he has done has been apparently "the end of his presidency", only it never was. 
    Agreed. I’ll believe something is the end of the presidency when he doesn’t wriggle his way out of something.  This isn’t news next week, just like no one is talking about military families anymore
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    I can at least understand the not-panic perspective even if I don’t agree with it.  Even if he wanted to go that route there is no excuse to belittle people for wearing masks.  The country is not going to panic if they are asked to wear masks.  He is ridiculous.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,709
    I can at least understand the not-panic perspective even if I don’t agree with it.  Even if he wanted to go that route there is no excuse to belittle people for wearing masks.  The country is not going to panic if they are asked to wear masks.  He is ridiculous.
    I can too.  The guy who yells about caravans, terrorists, left wing mobs burning our cities down definitely does not want to cause a panic.  I appreciate his benevolence on this. 
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,008
    Anyone have a link to the audio of these tapes? 
    Cnn.com. I think they’re everywhere 
    Yeah it's here: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump-coronavirus/index.html

    I don't think this is a big a deathnail in his presidency as you've made it out to be in your previous few posts....because it's not really new information. He's been minimizing the threat the entire time. He'll spin the audio as "not trying to cause a panic" being a positive thing (it's not, but that's how it'll be spun). And it's consistent with how he's been the entire time. "There's 15 cases, but it'll be down to zero next week." There's been millions of cases. "It will go away when the weather gets warm." It didn't. And various other examples of him minimizing it. I don't think this audio is any worse than those statements. Actually, it's better. Those statements were flat-out false and he sounded stupid saying them. Here, again from a spin-perspective, he could at least hang his red hat on not wanting to cause a panic. 

    All that said, this will be used in ads against him and could hurt him. But I don't think it's any more "devestating" than the rest of his day-to-day bullshit be used in ads against him. 
    When people look back at this race, they're gonna talk about this book and the tapes, in particular, as the pivotal moment. Just wait and see. I know they just came out, and I am speculating, but yeah, this is a pretty, pretty big deal, folks.

    Looking forward to 60 Minutes on Sunday. 
    to be fair, i think future generations are going to look at the tape of him mocking the r,disabled reporter on the campaign in 2016 and wonder how the fuck he survived that moment. the rest just adds to the astonishment.
    True. I'm specifically talking about the state of this campaign though. I think Biden's picking up momentum from this. 
    as long as he can remain coherent on his campaign stops and during the debates....which is a big if. 
    Debates will be huge, no doubt. One of the main differences between this year and 2016, other than Biden's steady lead and consistently sitting around 50% compared to HRC in the mid 40's, is how many people have already made up their minds though. 

    We may be focusing on the wrong recordings today. It may not be the covid one that seals trumps fate. 

    It might be his use of the p word this time that sinks him.


    All Biden needs to do to win the debates:

    " Y'know Don, we have many generals and military leaders watching us debate right now, who didn't get their daddy to bribe a doctor to get them a medical deferment to avoid serving America in wartime. 

    Please Don, look straight into the camera and explain to your fellow Americans how these leaders and Generals  are pussies and you are not."



    Mic drop.
    I like this but Biden got deferrals too....not as suspect as tRump's of course
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,008
    Will it matter to his 40%?  Unfortunately I doubt it...
    Who cares about them? It's the other 5% who seem to be on board with him every now and then who matters. 

    ALL polling says Covid is far and away the biggest issue right now. Here we have ON TAPE Trump admitting he downplayed the fucking thing. 

    Game over. 
    overheard in 2016: "here we have ON TAPE trump admitting he sexually assaults women. game over". 

    You realize an hour later trump had stone call assange to get the illegally seized emails released...which fed right into the "Hillary email" problem. 

    You realize we had no idea at the time trump was coordinating this with putin. You realize at the time we had no idea trump was sharing detailed polling data with Russian spies to micro target social media ads in WI & MI

    You realize Biden is not Hilary?
    i'm not sure what you are going on about. my post was basically highlighting the fact that over the past 5 years, every single idiotic/illegal thing he has done has been apparently "the end of his presidency", only it never was. 
    Yeah I have reached my limit on that phrase...I'm guilty of saying it myself.  The GOP has sold its soul...otherwise we would have impeached that piece of shit.
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    Wait so he didn’t want to panic everybody on C19 yet every single day he’s spewing panic over mail in ballots lol you can’t make up how absurd he truly is besides being a total idiot! 
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,008
    Wait so he didn’t want to panic everybody on C19 yet every single day he’s spewing panic over mail in ballots lol you can’t make up how absurd he truly is besides being a total idiot! 
    Yeah that's the first thing I thought...he is giving daily speeches about how the suburbs will be overrun with black people if Biden is elected, chaos and anarchy if Biden is elected, etc....but he can't say "hey this thing is bad let's all wear masks and listen to Dr Fauci"
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    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1304060630656311296?s=21
    Total panic! The blacks/brown people are coming blacks are coming blacks are coming! 
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    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1304060630656311296?s=21
    Total panic! The blacks/brown people are coming blacks are coming blacks are coming! 
    So “low-income projects, anarchists, agitators, and looters” are all black and brown people? That’s what you’re saying? Because anyone who’s watched the footage of these riots knows that’s not the case. And obviously it’s not just black/brown people that live in projects. And Trump himself didn't make mention of anybody's color in that tweet. It's like you want him to be more racist than he already is. 
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    Woodward's getting criticism for withholding those Trump comments for so long. As he should. He interviewed Trump in late March. And now he comes out with it five months later to promote his book? I guess Woodward didn't want to create a panic.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/woodward-criticized-not-releasing-trump-s-covid-19-comments-sooner-n1239707
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    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1304060630656311296?s=21
    Total panic! The blacks/brown people are coming blacks are coming blacks are coming! 
    So “low-income projects, anarchists, agitators, and looters” are all black and brown people? That’s what you’re saying? Because anyone who’s watched the footage of these riots knows that’s not the case. And obviously it’s not just black/brown people that live in projects. And Trump himself didn't make mention of anybody's color in that tweet. It's like you want him to be more racist than he already is. 
    lol yeah ok it’s evident who he means and you can choose to see it your way, he’s a racist POS human every one knows who he means except you I guess..

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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,753
    edited September 2020
    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1304060630656311296?s=21
    Total panic! The blacks/brown people are coming blacks are coming blacks are coming! 
    So “low-income projects, anarchists, agitators, and looters” are all black and brown people? That’s what you’re saying? Because anyone who’s watched the footage of these riots knows that’s not the case. And obviously it’s not just black/brown people that live in projects. And Trump himself didn't make mention of anybody's color in that tweet. It's like you want him to be more racist than he already is. 
    lol yeah ok it’s evident who he means and you can choose to see it your way, he’s a racist POS human every one knows who he means except you I guess..
    Let's break down Trump's comments based on all the footage of riots and "peaceful protests" over the past few months. Going by skin color, since that matters to you, what I've seen is....

    Anarchists - mostly white
    Agiators - mostly white
    Looters - mostly black
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden

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