Donald Trump

Halifax2TheMax

Jearlpam0925 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.

Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.

Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 

Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.

Lerxst1992

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

34% of all registered votes support him, per that poll. 

So how can we assume that the rest of the public isn’t the same ratio?

Is geography a factor?

I've always been kinda dismissive of polls like this. 34% of ALL registered voters support him? I wasn't polled. In fact, I've been a registered voter for 17 years and I haven't once been polled in any way. 

I half kidding there. There's obviously some sort of mathematics/science behind polls that makes it credible because they often times predict the correct outcomes. But I didn't buy the polls during the 2016 election because I felt there were a lot of closeted Trump supporters (I actually knew a couple personally) that didn't want to admit they supported him because they'd be made fun of for it. I think there are more of those Trump voters than there are MAGA-hat-wearing Trump fans. I  wonder if his horrible presidency will flip those "closeted" voters....because his fans aren't going anywhere. But they're just a vocal minority. 

The
National
Polls
Were
Largely
Correct
In
2016

They mostly had him losing the popular vote by about 3%, which is roughly what he lost the popular vote by. 

Sorry. But I feel like I've had to say this to folks a million times over the last few years. 

But
The
National
Polls
Don't 
Matter

Unless of course you give a crap about the popular vote.  As for some polls that actually matter, Trump trailed in polls in Pennsylvania, Florida, and Michigan on the eve of the election, and won all three states.

Why would you think they do not matter? What's a better way to gauge the mood of the country? Have a weekly national election? I'd argue they matter now more than ever. Republicans didn't start to part ways with Nixon until his numbers dropped into the low 30's. And approval numbers usually dictate winners and losers in government shutdowns---since more of the country blames Trump, Pelosi has the leverage to  postpone the state of the union. 

Regarding 2016:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-real-story-of-2016/
Another myth is that Trump’s victory represented some sort of catastrophic failure for the polls. Trump outperformed his national polls by only 1 to 2 percentage points in losing the popular vote to Clinton, making them slightly closer to the mark than they were in 2012. Meanwhile, he beat his polls by only 2 to 3 percentage points in the average swing state.3 Certainly, there were individual pollsters that had some explaining to do, especially in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, where Trump beat his polls by a larger amount. But the result was not some sort of massive outlier; on the contrary, the polls were pretty much as accurate as they’d been, on average, since 1968.

Spot on regarding the 2016 polls. Nationally they were spot on, but some states (including many that play fast and loose with voting rights) were not.

In FL for example, is anyone going to point out in all the rural red districts, turnout was through the roof in 2018? While in the large city and suburban blue districts, turnout was only so so?

 And the Rs lately are consistently finding a way to win elections FL statewide by 0.2%. Like they know the exact number of votes needed to win. Just like 2016 PA MI WI.

Funny how that works. 

Jearlpam0925

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.

Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.

Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 

Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.

I'm not dismissing the actions taken. And I think we pretty much know at this point why Trump did it - to build a Trump Tower in Russia and make money, not to win an election. And Putin's coming for receipts.

I'm not one to keep rehashing over what is done. Dems' ground game was no where near as strong as it was in the previous two elections. I just hope they realize there's major work to be done, regardless of Russian interference.

cincybearcat

Lerxst1992 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

34% of all registered votes support him, per that poll. 

So how can we assume that the rest of the public isn’t the same ratio?

Is geography a factor?

I've always been kinda dismissive of polls like this. 34% of ALL registered voters support him? I wasn't polled. In fact, I've been a registered voter for 17 years and I haven't once been polled in any way. 

I half kidding there. There's obviously some sort of mathematics/science behind polls that makes it credible because they often times predict the correct outcomes. But I didn't buy the polls during the 2016 election because I felt there were a lot of closeted Trump supporters (I actually knew a couple personally) that didn't want to admit they supported him because they'd be made fun of for it. I think there are more of those Trump voters than there are MAGA-hat-wearing Trump fans. I  wonder if his horrible presidency will flip those "closeted" voters....because his fans aren't going anywhere. But they're just a vocal minority. 

The
National
Polls
Were
Largely
Correct
In
2016

They mostly had him losing the popular vote by about 3%, which is roughly what he lost the popular vote by. 

Sorry. But I feel like I've had to say this to folks a million times over the last few years. 

But
The
National
Polls
Don't 
Matter

Unless of course you give a crap about the popular vote.  As for some polls that actually matter, Trump trailed in polls in Pennsylvania, Florida, and Michigan on the eve of the election, and won all three states.

Why would you think they do not matter? What's a better way to gauge the mood of the country? Have a weekly national election? I'd argue they matter now more than ever. Republicans didn't start to part ways with Nixon until his numbers dropped into the low 30's. And approval numbers usually dictate winners and losers in government shutdowns---since more of the country blames Trump, Pelosi has the leverage to  postpone the state of the union. 

Regarding 2016:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-real-story-of-2016/
Another myth is that Trump’s victory represented some sort of catastrophic failure for the polls. Trump outperformed his national polls by only 1 to 2 percentage points in losing the popular vote to Clinton, making them slightly closer to the mark than they were in 2012. Meanwhile, he beat his polls by only 2 to 3 percentage points in the average swing state.3 Certainly, there were individual pollsters that had some explaining to do, especially in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, where Trump beat his polls by a larger amount. But the result was not some sort of massive outlier; on the contrary, the polls were pretty much as accurate as they’d been, on average, since 1968.

Spot on regarding the 2016 polls. Nationally they were spot on, but some states (including many that play fast and loose with voting rights) were not.

In FL for example, is anyone going to point out in all the rural red districts, turnout was through the roof in 2018? While in the large city and suburban blue districts, turnout was only so so?

 And the Rs lately are consistently finding a way to win elections FL statewide by 0.2%. Like they know the exact number of votes needed to win. Just like 2016 PA MI WI.

Funny how that works. 

You think it's weird that they know what they need to do to win?  That's weird.

If Hillary had thought about it and campaigned properly we wouldn't be in the mess we are in right now.  Lots of people on those campaigns are paid to figure out how to eek out the right number of votes from each of the districts let alone the state.

Jearlpam0925

cincybearcat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

34% of all registered votes support him, per that poll. 

So how can we assume that the rest of the public isn’t the same ratio?

Is geography a factor?

I've always been kinda dismissive of polls like this. 34% of ALL registered voters support him? I wasn't polled. In fact, I've been a registered voter for 17 years and I haven't once been polled in any way. 

I half kidding there. There's obviously some sort of mathematics/science behind polls that makes it credible because they often times predict the correct outcomes. But I didn't buy the polls during the 2016 election because I felt there were a lot of closeted Trump supporters (I actually knew a couple personally) that didn't want to admit they supported him because they'd be made fun of for it. I think there are more of those Trump voters than there are MAGA-hat-wearing Trump fans. I  wonder if his horrible presidency will flip those "closeted" voters....because his fans aren't going anywhere. But they're just a vocal minority. 

The
National
Polls
Were
Largely
Correct
In
2016

They mostly had him losing the popular vote by about 3%, which is roughly what he lost the popular vote by. 

Sorry. But I feel like I've had to say this to folks a million times over the last few years. 

But
The
National
Polls
Don't 
Matter

Unless of course you give a crap about the popular vote.  As for some polls that actually matter, Trump trailed in polls in Pennsylvania, Florida, and Michigan on the eve of the election, and won all three states.

Why would you think they do not matter? What's a better way to gauge the mood of the country? Have a weekly national election? I'd argue they matter now more than ever. Republicans didn't start to part ways with Nixon until his numbers dropped into the low 30's. And approval numbers usually dictate winners and losers in government shutdowns---since more of the country blames Trump, Pelosi has the leverage to  postpone the state of the union. 

Regarding 2016:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-real-story-of-2016/
Another myth is that Trump’s victory represented some sort of catastrophic failure for the polls. Trump outperformed his national polls by only 1 to 2 percentage points in losing the popular vote to Clinton, making them slightly closer to the mark than they were in 2012. Meanwhile, he beat his polls by only 2 to 3 percentage points in the average swing state.3 Certainly, there were individual pollsters that had some explaining to do, especially in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, where Trump beat his polls by a larger amount. But the result was not some sort of massive outlier; on the contrary, the polls were pretty much as accurate as they’d been, on average, since 1968.

Spot on regarding the 2016 polls. Nationally they were spot on, but some states (including many that play fast and loose with voting rights) were not.

In FL for example, is anyone going to point out in all the rural red districts, turnout was through the roof in 2018? While in the large city and suburban blue districts, turnout was only so so?

 And the Rs lately are consistently finding a way to win elections FL statewide by 0.2%. Like they know the exact number of votes needed to win. Just like 2016 PA MI WI.

Funny how that works. 

You think it's weird that they know what they need to do to win?  That's weird.

If Hillary had thought about it and campaigned properly we wouldn't be in the mess we are in right now.  Lots of people on those campaigns are paid to figure out how to eek out the right number of votes from each of the districts let alone the state.

I'm definitely not here to shit on 2016 or Clinton, but there was a lot of hubris on that team. But, hey, in some weird way this was all needed - more people than ever are charged up, engaged and involved in some form of their local or national political environment; silver linings to some degree.

Meltdown99

Nathan Phillips, Native American activist in D.C. standoff, forgives Catholic school students
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nathan-phillips-native-american-activist-d-c-standoff-forgives-catholic-n962131?fbclid=IwAR0-NKI7TaK5lr5-IRgfpocG6YlczHJl0ff6NOkgUHF5BTdDMLEHwiXVVGA

PJPOWER

Meltdown99 said:

Nathan Phillips, Native American activist in D.C. standoff, forgives Catholic school students
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nathan-phillips-native-american-activist-d-c-standoff-forgives-catholic-n962131?fbclid=IwAR0-NKI7TaK5lr5-IRgfpocG6YlczHJl0ff6NOkgUHF5BTdDMLEHwiXVVGA

Now THAT is taking the high road.  

Ledbetterman10

I've only seen bits and pieces of this story. Can someone give a cliff-notes version of it? All I've seen is a Native American man banging a drum about a foot away from the face of some kid wearing a MAGA hat and the kid just stands there smirking. But obviously there has to be more to it than that. 

rgambs

I had to laugh at Fox and Friends playing a video of approximately 100 immigrants scaling a tall fence on the border.
Playing up fear for a border wall by showing a border wall's total inability to stop immigrants who can *gasp* buy and carry ladders lol

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

I had to laugh at Fox and Friends playing a video of approximately 100 immigrants scaling a tall fence on the border.
Playing up fear for a border wall by showing a border wall's total inability to stop immigrants who can *gasp* buy and carry ladders lol

The only problem is the fact that Trump's bucktoothed yokels that are yeehawing for the wall have diminished capacity and would never be able to make that connection.

my2hands

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.

Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.

Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 

Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.

Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

Whatever makes you feel better

CM189191

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.

Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.

Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 

Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.

Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

Whatever makes you feel better

Most qualified presidential candidate ever

Gern Blansten

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/business/wilbur-ross-loans-food-assistance-government-shutdown/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_source=fbbusiness&utm_content=2019-01-24T17:03:04

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Bank: Ok...what is your income?
FW: Right now?  Zero....I am furloughed and have no idea when I will get a paycheck
Bank: Fuck you

Halifax2TheMax

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.

Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.

Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 

Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.

Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

Whatever makes you feel better

Was it a failure to convince or suppression, some driven by Putin on the ritz but most by repub legislatures?

mcgruff10

CM189191 said:

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.

Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.

Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 

Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.

Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

Whatever makes you feel better

Most qualified presidential candidate ever

That was a good joke. 

OnWis97

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.

Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.

Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 

Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.

Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

Whatever makes you feel better

Why not both?  I don't think there's any doubt that the Dems did a bad job (first with even nominating her but then in almost every way possible).  But that doesn't mean it wasn't influenced by the Russians in coordination with the campaign because they have something on Trump.  At this point the idea that he's not at least in some ways serving Russia seems bordering on impossible.  And they clearly seemed to be sticking their noses in to help Trump.  Are those two things coincidence? 

CM189191

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.

Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.

Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 

Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.

Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

Whatever makes you feel better

Most qualified presidential candidate ever

That was a good joke. 

ever.

mcgruff10

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.

Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.

Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 

Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.

Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

Whatever makes you feel better

Most qualified presidential candidate ever

That was a good joke. 

ever.

Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bush

tbergs

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.

Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.

Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 

Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.

Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

Whatever makes you feel better

Most qualified presidential candidate ever

That was a good joke. 

ever.

Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bush

Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.

Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.

my2hands

tbergs said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.

Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.

Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 

Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.

Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

Whatever makes you feel better

Most qualified presidential candidate ever

That was a good joke. 

ever.

Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bush

Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.

Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.

Pretty close? Lol