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  • pearljammr78pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    TJ25487 said:
    PJ - I respect your opinions and you make some good points here but feel your opinions are a bit skewed as you believe mine are. 
    I am neither a Republican or Democrat and even voted for Obama in his first term as I couldn't stand Bush and his war mongering. I think Bush was mentally out to lunch towards the end of his presidency similar to Reagan who actually did lose part of his mind. I agree with you on Carter as I am old enough to remember him and he was terrible. My problem with your comment is when you seem like you give Carter a pass for having a big heart? What the heck does that have to do with running the country??? 

    The reason I and 60 plus million other people voted for Trump is the same reason we are going to vote for him again. He is not a politician, he is a shrewd businessman who is trying to get the job done! He admits he is not presidential with how he talks and we would all love for him to tone down his rhetoric but at the end of the day he is fighting for the American people. Would you quit your good paying job that you like if you found out your boss cheated on his wife or his taxes? So why do I care if Trump did? You mention yourself the corruptness of the establishment with the Clinton Crime Family etc. and it will always be there. I'm over it. 

     I didn't hire Trump to be my priest, my father figure, my mentor or tax consultant. I hired him to get the country back on track after Obama and the big government Democrats strangled it to death with their failed economic policies and horrific foreign policy. Obama wouldn't even call a terrorist a terrorist. He basically went around the world apologizing for America and let terrorism spread. Trump came in and squashed most of the high level terrorist threats by simply unleashing the military to do what it is trained to do. Game over! 

    Finally to address your point on admitting when your wrong and moving on with another Republican:  
    Unfortunately there isn't a Republican in sight that isn't part of the Washington Swamp that I could get behind but at the end of the day it's the Democrats, the left, the liberals and fake news media that can't get over losing the last election. They all have been trying to smear the President and his accomplishments since before he got elected by spying on his campaign and then making stuff up to get FISA warrants so they could start the finally debunked after over 2 years "Russian Collusion Hoax". And now that didn't work as well as their failed race baiting and whatever else they can't pin on him they start this Ukraine thing which will also end up being just another "nothingburger". The Dems just have to keep chiding the President as much they can until the next election as they feel it is their only chance of winning and regaining their ultimate power back and in turn provide America with open borders (which most other countries don't have), less constitutional rights as in a dwindling first and second ammendments and more big govenment,  not to mention abolishing the electoral college. If you all are wondering if the government can run healthcare look no further than the VA. It's a train wreck. 

    No thanks. 
    Funny thing is agree with you on some points. 

    Jimmy Carter-Horrible President. Just wanted to add what an amazing citizen he is. But yes, the two have nothing to do with each other. 

    I agree with you on the importance of needing stricter boarder requirements. But putting people in those horrible conditions like abused pets is not ok. 

    The Front running Democrats are so far from center with their socialistic policies it’s off putting to many including myself. 

    Your list made me laugh. Fracking is never a good thing. Doing anything that causes more harm to the environment is never a good thing. Jobs can be made with innovative concepts and putting those things into action. Falling back to the same tired oil based things will speed up the wrong we caused and finding a job will soon be the least of all our worries. 

    As for the economy. The first three years were due to Obama policies. Even a dumb person like me knows the economy takes 2-3 years to match what happens. Keeping the economy strong is an argument in itself. Lots of experts say we are in the brink of a recession. Time will tell what Trumps policies have in store for the economy shortly. 

    The national deficit is out of control but what do you expect. He is running this country the same way he runs his businesses. He is a short term thinker and his track record in business shows that. Borrow borrow borrow. Never pay back. Hide the losses. Use the system to your advantage through bankruptcy where everyone loses but him. He is a con artist. Why do you think he will fight to the death to hide his tax records. He is not a good businessman. He is a spoiled kid who inherited the world from his dad and his only skill is pushing his brand. 

    You said that you didn’t elect him to be anything but the person to right the ship by the failed democratic Obama era polices. A president is the face of the nation. He is what represents the country as a whole to the world. To be a divider (either your with me or against me rhetoric is disgusting. This is America, not North Korea) a liar on every front, a belligerent blowhard that uses Twitter like a drunken teenager is not representing what America is supposed to be. We are supposed to act better than the dictators and abusers of power that litter the world. Not join them. Obama had his bad points but he held himself with such calculated grace that the world listened when he talked. Obama was not perfect by any means but he knew what it was like to be the face of the country. Even W, who was the puppet of puppets, acted the part. He couldn’t say a speech without stumbling over his words but he didn’t amount to name calling and bratty outbursts because he didn’t get his way. The way this clown portrays himself and the country he represents is god awful. 

    He and his associates are guilty of many impeachable offenses and the story is just beginning. He is a treasonist traitor and Rudy G and his henchmen will hopefully be brought to justice. 

    Drain the swamp doesn’t work if you replace the alligators with man eating crocodiles. We went from the political conmen we knew to this incompetent mob boss in chief. Instead of fixing the corruption there was we have added a whole more dangerous layer to the mix. Drain the swamp? Get the super pacs and lobbyists out of government. Nothing this guy has promised has come to fruition. Just clickbait talking points with zero merits. Giving public land to oil and gas companies? His family and associates benefiting from policies and government contracts. If a moderate republican or Democrat pulled one of the thousands of offenses this clown has the nation would be furious. But when you make waves to hide the ones that already exist it’s hard to focus on one. 

    All this being said. I have zero faith in the system and zero faith in the constitution being upheld. We are in a time of division that we have not seen since the civil war with more media outlets and social media spreading agendas then most people can handle. Most don’t have the time to weed through the garden to find the fruit. If he survives impeachment, I do think he will be re elected. And then look at what we will have. A lame duck president that doesn’t have to worry about re election. You think it’s scary now, just wait till he has no one to answer to in the form
    of votes anymore. That keeps me up at night. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,522
    if the recession happens, idiot will just blame the federal reserve. he's been setting that up for months. 
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  • pearljammr78pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    if the recession happens, idiot will just blame the federal reserve. he's been setting that up for months. 
    Very good point. Always someone’s fault but his. That’s his MO. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,174
    Get ready for it he will shut the government down to distract from the Impeachment process ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,663
    if the recession happens, idiot will just blame the federal reserve. he's been setting that up for months. 
    He will blame in no particular order ..

    The Fed
    Dems
    Libs
    SOCIALISTS 
    Bill
    Hillary 
    Obama 
    The Whistleblower 
    John McCain
    The Media
    Etc etc etc
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    if the recession happens, idiot will just blame the federal reserve. he's been setting that up for months. 
    He will blame in no particular order ..

    The Fed
    Dems
    Libs
    SOCIALISTS 
    Bill
    Hillary 
    Obama 
    The Whistleblower 
    John McCain
    The Media
    Etc etc etc
    They're actively blaming Nancy right now on Breitbart.  There's no logic to it,  but it feels good. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 37,743
    So much for that 4% GDP growth quarter over quarter, year over year, FOR TEN YEARS. You know, to pay for that tax cut.

    GDP: 1.9%...

    Trump on 1.9% GDP in 2012: 'Economy is in deep trouble'...

    Suckers.
    good analysis here....

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    Bolton is officially set to testify.  He's quite the wild card.  On one hand, he is principled and has never shown signs of being corrupt.  He also shows up in this queries time and again.  He is no Russo-phile.  Then again, he has always been a man that supports heavy handed powers of the executive branch.  It's certainly reasonable that he believes Trump has the authority to withhold aid, although the tea leaves don't read like that thus far.  But if anyone has the power to move the (R) senators (other than polls), it's Bolton.  

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7632107/John-Bolton-evidence-closed-door-impeachment-hearing-week.html
  • TJ25487TJ25487 Posts: 1,475
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
  • TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
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  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,859
    TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
    About as weak as it gets. You've got to come up with better sources than that.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    edited October 2019
    TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
    Are you completely daft?  He went straight to NSC lawyers with concerns.  Read his damn opening statement and stop getting information Nolte on Breitbart.  All he does is write propaganda for the those without critical thinking skills.  Read the opening statement and then tell me that Vindman thinks everything was fine.  Christ almighty..  https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Read-Alexander-Vindmans-Opening-Statement-on-Trumps-Ukraine-Call-564036951.html

    How about a nice easy quote?  "I was concerned by the call," Vindman wrote in his opening statement. "I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine."

    The statement went on to say: "I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel."

    Get out of your bubble and deal with facts.  


  • TJ25487TJ25487 Posts: 1,475
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
    Are you completely daft?  He went straight to NSC lawyers with concerns.  Read his damn opening statement and stop getting information Nolte on Breitbart.  All he does is write propaganda for the those without critical thinking skills.  Read the opening statement and then tell me that Vindman thinks everything was fine.  Christ almighty..  https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Read-Alexander-Vindmans-Opening-Statement-on-Trumps-Ukraine-Call-564036951.html

    How about a nice easy quote?  "I was concerned by the call," Vindman wrote in his opening statement. "I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine."

    The statement went on to say: "I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel."

    Get out of your bubble and deal with facts.  


    I'm not as daft as your going to look when this impeachment charade is over. Vindman, Shiff, Nadler, Brennon, Clapper, Comey, Struck, Paige Pelosi, Baker, Simpson, Steele etc. etc. can all go whining and crying to anybody they want saying that Trump did this or did that but in the end nothing sticks as Trump breaking the law. For Christ sake you guys! The only reason we are hearing about all the crazy stuff Trump says is because all of his private conversations get leaked out because of all the partisan hacks in Washington that have been trying to take him out since before he took office. Nobody ever leaked Obama's conversations as they were protecting him, other than when he got caught on tape telling a Russian ambassador to " tell Vladimir that I will have more flexibility after my last election".

     If our wives or significant others heard all of our private conversations that we have amongst friends and acquaintances they would probably leave us. 

    Back to Ukraine: Nevermind the Quid Pro Quo where Biden said that if they don't fire the investigator that is looking into the company that his son worked for (who had no reason to work there) that he would withhold a billion dollars of tax payer money. That is the real smoking gun that nobody wants to look into for fear of finding out the truth. 

    Next up: John Bolton who of course the media is going to prop up as the best guy since Abe Lincoln when all they have ever done in the past is label him as a crazy fool which he very well could be. 

    Stay tuned! 
  • TJ25487 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
    Are you completely daft?  He went straight to NSC lawyers with concerns.  Read his damn opening statement and stop getting information Nolte on Breitbart.  All he does is write propaganda for the those without critical thinking skills.  Read the opening statement and then tell me that Vindman thinks everything was fine.  Christ almighty..  https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Read-Alexander-Vindmans-Opening-Statement-on-Trumps-Ukraine-Call-564036951.html

    How about a nice easy quote?  "I was concerned by the call," Vindman wrote in his opening statement. "I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine."

    The statement went on to say: "I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel."

    Get out of your bubble and deal with facts.  


    I'm not as daft as your going to look when this impeachment charade is over. Vindman, Shiff, Nadler, Brennon, Clapper, Comey, Struck, Paige Pelosi, Baker, Simpson, Steele etc. etc. can all go whining and crying to anybody they want saying that Trump did this or did that but in the end nothing sticks as Trump breaking the law. For Christ sake you guys! The only reason we are hearing about all the crazy stuff Trump says is because all of his private conversations get leaked out because of all the partisan hacks in Washington that have been trying to take him out since before he took office. Nobody ever leaked Obama's conversations as they were protecting him, other than when he got caught on tape telling a Russian ambassador to " tell Vladimir that I will have more flexibility after my last election".

     If our wives or significant others heard all of our private conversations that we have amongst friends and acquaintances they would probably leave us. 

    Back to Ukraine: Nevermind the Quid Pro Quo where Biden said that if they don't fire the investigator that is looking into the company that his son worked for (who had no reason to work there) that he would withhold a billion dollars of tax payer money. That is the real smoking gun that nobody wants to look into for fear of finding out the truth. 

    Next up: John Bolton who of course the media is going to prop up as the best guy since Abe Lincoln when all they have ever done in the past is label him as a crazy fool which he very well could be. 

    Stay tuned! 

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    Follow the damn money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.


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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,466
    TJ25487 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
    Are you completely daft?  He went straight to NSC lawyers with concerns.  Read his damn opening statement and stop getting information Nolte on Breitbart.  All he does is write propaganda for the those without critical thinking skills.  Read the opening statement and then tell me that Vindman thinks everything was fine.  Christ almighty..  https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Read-Alexander-Vindmans-Opening-Statement-on-Trumps-Ukraine-Call-564036951.html

    How about a nice easy quote?  "I was concerned by the call," Vindman wrote in his opening statement. "I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine."

    The statement went on to say: "I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel."

    Get out of your bubble and deal with facts.  


    I'm not as daft as your going to look when this impeachment charade is over. Vindman, Shiff, Nadler, Brennon, Clapper, Comey, Struck, Paige Pelosi, Baker, Simpson, Steele etc. etc. can all go whining and crying to anybody they want saying that Trump did this or did that but in the end nothing sticks as Trump breaking the law. For Christ sake you guys! The only reason we are hearing about all the crazy stuff Trump says is because all of his private conversations get leaked out because of all the partisan hacks in Washington that have been trying to take him out since before he took office. Nobody ever leaked Obama's conversations as they were protecting him, other than when he got caught on tape telling a Russian ambassador to " tell Vladimir that I will have more flexibility after my last election".

     If our wives or significant others heard all of our private conversations that we have amongst friends and acquaintances they would probably leave us. 

    Back to Ukraine: Nevermind the Quid Pro Quo where Biden said that if they don't fire the investigator that is looking into the company that his son worked for (who had no reason to work there) that he would withhold a billion dollars of tax payer money. That is the real smoking gun that nobody wants to look into for fear of finding out the truth. 

    Next up: John Bolton who of course the media is going to prop up as the best guy since Abe Lincoln when all they have ever done in the past is label him as a crazy fool which he very well could be. 

    Stay tuned! 
    You get your news from Breitbart and, apparently, don't see anything wrong with that. 

    Mrussel's initial question is quite appropriate. 
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  • TJ25487TJ25487 Posts: 1,475
    TJ25487 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
    Are you completely daft?  He went straight to NSC lawyers with concerns.  Read his damn opening statement and stop getting information Nolte on Breitbart.  All he does is write propaganda for the those without critical thinking skills.  Read the opening statement and then tell me that Vindman thinks everything was fine.  Christ almighty..  https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Read-Alexander-Vindmans-Opening-Statement-on-Trumps-Ukraine-Call-564036951.html

    How about a nice easy quote?  "I was concerned by the call," Vindman wrote in his opening statement. "I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine."

    The statement went on to say: "I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel."

    Get out of your bubble and deal with facts.  


    I'm not as daft as your going to look when this impeachment charade is over. Vindman, Shiff, Nadler, Brennon, Clapper, Comey, Struck, Paige Pelosi, Baker, Simpson, Steele etc. etc. can all go whining and crying to anybody they want saying that Trump did this or did that but in the end nothing sticks as Trump breaking the law. For Christ sake you guys! The only reason we are hearing about all the crazy stuff Trump says is because all of his private conversations get leaked out because of all the partisan hacks in Washington that have been trying to take him out since before he took office. Nobody ever leaked Obama's conversations as they were protecting him, other than when he got caught on tape telling a Russian ambassador to " tell Vladimir that I will have more flexibility after my last election".

     If our wives or significant others heard all of our private conversations that we have amongst friends and acquaintances they would probably leave us. 

    Back to Ukraine: Nevermind the Quid Pro Quo where Biden said that if they don't fire the investigator that is looking into the company that his son worked for (who had no reason to work there) that he would withhold a billion dollars of tax payer money. That is the real smoking gun that nobody wants to look into for fear of finding out the truth. 

    Next up: John Bolton who of course the media is going to prop up as the best guy since Abe Lincoln when all they have ever done in the past is label him as a crazy fool which he very well could be. 

    Stay tuned! 
    You get your news from Breitbart and, apparently, don't see anything wrong with that. 

    Mrussel's initial question is quite appropriate. 
    I get my news from Breitbart, Drudge, CNN, Fox, MSNBC etc. Breitbart is to the Right as what CNN and MSNBC is to the left.
    If you want to talk about conspiracy theories and partisan propaganda look no further than CNN and MSNBC as well as most of the mainstream media. For 21/2 years all we heard about night in and night out was Russian Collusion/The Mueller Report. Adam Shiff and his cohorts in congress even said during that time that they have seen the evidence and it is damning and then when it finally came out it was nothingburgers for all our friends. Now we are on to the Ukraine Charade for however long they can string it out as the Dems have nothing to run on as far as issues so the "resistance" is all they have. 

    You talk about Trumps bad character but have you seen Schiff, Pelosi, Nadler,  Schummer and the rest of these yayhoo presidential candidates? 
    Talk about bad characters. Sheez! 
  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,859
    CNN, while clearly left leaning, does actual reporting and usually brings in conservative points of view to debate topics. Breitbart is nothing more than a propaganda blog. They are not equals on opposite sides of the spectrum. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    TJ25487 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
    Are you completely daft?  He went straight to NSC lawyers with concerns.  Read his damn opening statement and stop getting information Nolte on Breitbart.  All he does is write propaganda for the those without critical thinking skills.  Read the opening statement and then tell me that Vindman thinks everything was fine.  Christ almighty..  https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Read-Alexander-Vindmans-Opening-Statement-on-Trumps-Ukraine-Call-564036951.html

    How about a nice easy quote?  "I was concerned by the call," Vindman wrote in his opening statement. "I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine."

    The statement went on to say: "I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel."

    Get out of your bubble and deal with facts.  


    I'm not as daft as your going to look when this impeachment charade is over. Vindman, Shiff, Nadler, Brennon, Clapper, Comey, Struck, Paige Pelosi, Baker, Simpson, Steele etc. etc. can all go whining and crying to anybody they want saying that Trump did this or did that but in the end nothing sticks as Trump breaking the law. For Christ sake you guys! The only reason we are hearing about all the crazy stuff Trump says is because all of his private conversations get leaked out because of all the partisan hacks in Washington that have been trying to take him out since before he took office. Nobody ever leaked Obama's conversations as they were protecting him, other than when he got caught on tape telling a Russian ambassador to " tell Vladimir that I will have more flexibility after my last election".

     If our wives or significant others heard all of our private conversations that we have amongst friends and acquaintances they would probably leave us. 

    Back to Ukraine: Nevermind the Quid Pro Quo where Biden said that if they don't fire the investigator that is looking into the company that his son worked for (who had no reason to work there) that he would withhold a billion dollars of tax payer money. That is the real smoking gun that nobody wants to look into for fear of finding out the truth. 

    Next up: John Bolton who of course the media is going to prop up as the best guy since Abe Lincoln when all they have ever done in the past is label him as a crazy fool which he very well could be. 

    Stay tuned! 
    Biden represented the position of official US policy and that of our allies.  If you don't see the difference between that and pushing for an investigation of a domestic political rival,  then you are daft. And if it's perfectly fine,  then why has the administration denied it took place? Isn't that curious?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    TJ25487 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
    Are you completely daft?  He went straight to NSC lawyers with concerns.  Read his damn opening statement and stop getting information Nolte on Breitbart.  All he does is write propaganda for the those without critical thinking skills.  Read the opening statement and then tell me that Vindman thinks everything was fine.  Christ almighty..  https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Read-Alexander-Vindmans-Opening-Statement-on-Trumps-Ukraine-Call-564036951.html

    How about a nice easy quote?  "I was concerned by the call," Vindman wrote in his opening statement. "I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine."

    The statement went on to say: "I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel."

    Get out of your bubble and deal with facts.  


    I'm not as daft as your going to look when this impeachment charade is over. Vindman, Shiff, Nadler, Brennon, Clapper, Comey, Struck, Paige Pelosi, Baker, Simpson, Steele etc. etc. can all go whining and crying to anybody they want saying that Trump did this or did that but in the end nothing sticks as Trump breaking the law. For Christ sake you guys! The only reason we are hearing about all the crazy stuff Trump says is because all of his private conversations get leaked out because of all the partisan hacks in Washington that have been trying to take him out since before he took office. Nobody ever leaked Obama's conversations as they were protecting him, other than when he got caught on tape telling a Russian ambassador to " tell Vladimir that I will have more flexibility after my last election".

     If our wives or significant others heard all of our private conversations that we have amongst friends and acquaintances they would probably leave us. 

    Back to Ukraine: Nevermind the Quid Pro Quo where Biden said that if they don't fire the investigator that is looking into the company that his son worked for (who had no reason to work there) that he would withhold a billion dollars of tax payer money. That is the real smoking gun that nobody wants to look into for fear of finding out the truth. 

    Next up: John Bolton who of course the media is going to prop up as the best guy since Abe Lincoln when all they have ever done in the past is label him as a crazy fool which he very well could be. 

    Stay tuned! 
    You get your news from Breitbart and, apparently, don't see anything wrong with that. 

    Mrussel's initial question is quite appropriate. 
    I get my news from Breitbart, Drudge, CNN, Fox, MSNBC etc. Breitbart is to the Right as what CNN and MSNBC is to the left.
    If you want to talk about conspiracy theories and partisan propaganda look no further than CNN and MSNBC as well as most of the mainstream media. For 21/2 years all we heard about night in and night out was Russian Collusion/The Mueller Report. Adam Shiff and his cohorts in congress even said during that time that they have seen the evidence and it is damning and then when it finally came out it was nothingburgers for all our friends. Now we are on to the Ukraine Charade for however long they can string it out as the Dems have nothing to run on as far as issues so the "resistance" is all they have. 

    You talk about Trumps bad character but have you seen Schiff, Pelosi, Nadler,  Schummer and the rest of these yayhoo presidential candidates? 
    Talk about bad characters. Sheez! 
    I don't recall any of those people paying off porn stars or being prohibited from running a charity in NY. 
    Your arguments agree quite weak.  You also didn't counter my argument about Vinman. You just blamed Democrats for something unrelated. 
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,844
    TJ25487 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
    Are you completely daft?  He went straight to NSC lawyers with concerns.  Read his damn opening statement and stop getting information Nolte on Breitbart.  All he does is write propaganda for the those without critical thinking skills.  Read the opening statement and then tell me that Vindman thinks everything was fine.  Christ almighty..  https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Read-Alexander-Vindmans-Opening-Statement-on-Trumps-Ukraine-Call-564036951.html

    How about a nice easy quote?  "I was concerned by the call," Vindman wrote in his opening statement. "I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine."

    The statement went on to say: "I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel."

    Get out of your bubble and deal with facts.  


    I'm not as daft as your going to look when this impeachment charade is over. Vindman, Shiff, Nadler, Brennon, Clapper, Comey, Struck, Paige Pelosi, Baker, Simpson, Steele etc. etc. can all go whining and crying to anybody they want saying that Trump did this or did that but in the end nothing sticks as Trump breaking the law. For Christ sake you guys! The only reason we are hearing about all the crazy stuff Trump says is because all of his private conversations get leaked out because of all the partisan hacks in Washington that have been trying to take him out since before he took office. Nobody ever leaked Obama's conversations as they were protecting him, other than when he got caught on tape telling a Russian ambassador to " tell Vladimir that I will have more flexibility after my last election".

     If our wives or significant others heard all of our private conversations that we have amongst friends and acquaintances they would probably leave us. 

    Back to Ukraine: Nevermind the Quid Pro Quo where Biden said that if they don't fire the investigator that is looking into the company that his son worked for (who had no reason to work there) that he would withhold a billion dollars of tax payer money. That is the real smoking gun that nobody wants to look into for fear of finding out the truth. 

    Next up: John Bolton who of course the media is going to prop up as the best guy since Abe Lincoln when all they have ever done in the past is label him as a crazy fool which he very well could be. 

    Stay tuned! 
    Are you really trying to equate calls and conversations regarding governmental business to private conversations with friends? 
     
    There’s a reason that people are reporting these, and it’s because they’re concerned that they break the law. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,888
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,844
    Also, FYI, whistleblower reports are not “leaks”. 
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  • TJ25487 said:


    I get my news from Breitbart, Drudge, CNN, Fox, MSNBC etc. Breitbart is to the Right as what CNN and MSNBC is to the left.
    If you want to talk about conspiracy theories and partisan propaganda look no further than CNN and MSNBC as well as most of the mainstream media. For 21/2 years all we heard about night in and night out was Russian Collusion/The Mueller Report. Adam Shiff and his cohorts in congress even said during that time that they have seen the evidence and it is damning and then when it finally came out it was nothingburgers for all our friends. Now we are on to the Ukraine Charade for however long they can string it out as the Dems have nothing to run on as far as issues so the "resistance" is all they have. 

    You talk about Trumps bad character but have you seen Schiff, Pelosi, Nadler,  Schummer and the rest of these yayhoo presidential candidates? 
    Talk about bad characters. Sheez! 
    The first page of the Table of Contents form the Team Mueller Report. Clearly you haven't read any of the Team Mueller Report. "Collusion" is not a crime under US criminal code. You don't see any "collusion" there?

    TABLE OF CONTENTS VOLUME I

    INTRODUCTION TO VOLUME I ....................... 1

    EXECUTIVE  SUMMARY TO VOLUME!................... 4

    I. THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATION........... 11

    II. RUSSIAN "ACTIVE MEASURES" SOCIAL MEDIA  CAMPAIGN ............ 14

    A.  Structure of the Internet Research Agency ................................ 15

    B. Funding  and Oversight from Concord  and Prigozhin ................. 16

    C. The IRA Targets U.S. Elections............ 19

    1.   The IRA Ramps Up U.S. Operations As Early As 2014 ...................................... 19

    2.   U.S. Operations Through  IRA-Controlled Social Media Accounts ..................... 22

    3.   U.S. Operations Through  Facebook............. 24

    4.   U.S. Operations Through  Twitter ............ 26 a.  Individualized Accounts.................... 26 b. IRA Botnet Activities ............................ 28

    5.   U.S. Operations Involving Political  Rallies...................... 29

    6.   Targeting and Recruitment of U.S. Persons...................... 31

    7.   Interactions and Contacts with the Trump  Campaign........................................... 33 a.  Trump Campaign Promotion ofiRA Political  Materials ................................. 33 b.  Contact  with Trump  Campaign  Officials in Connection to Rallies ................. 35

    III. RUSSIAN HACKING AND DUMPING  OPERATIONS ............. 36

    A. GRU Hacking Directed  at the Clinton  Campaign........ 36

    1.   GRU Units Target the Clinton Campaign........... 36

    2.   Intrusions into the DCCC  and DNC Networks..................................................... 38 a.  Initial Access ........................ 38 b.  Implantation of Malware on DCCC  and DNC Networks ................. 38 

    c.  Theft of Documents from DNC and DCCC Networks .................................... 40

    B.  Dissemination of the Hacked  Materials ........... 41

    1.   DCLeaks .............................. 41

    2.  Guccifer  2.0........................... 42

    3.   Use of WikiLeaks ....................... 44 a.  WikiLeaks's Expressed  Opposition Toward  the Clinton  Campaign ............... 44 b. WikiLeaks's First Contact  with Guccifer 2.0 and DCLeaks ........ 45


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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    There's just too much misinformation and propaganda to unpack in those statements.  Breitbart acolytes are well conditioned. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,888
    edited October 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    There's just too much misinformation and propaganda to unpack in those statements.  Breitbart acolytes are well conditioned. 
    Right? When I see posts like that I actually have trouble not defaulting to the assumption that it's just trolling. I have to consciously talk myself into remembering that that is really what some people see as true.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,663
    TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
    breitbart? Seriously?
    No links from....

    rt
    daily stormer 
    infowars
    daily pundit
    newsmax
    focksnooze
    daily caller
    washington  examiner 
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,331
    It's interesting to see the mind of a true Trump supporter.

    Also scary.
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,097
    dignin said:
    It's interesting to see the mind of a true Trump supporter.

    Also scary.
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  • TJ25487TJ25487 Posts: 1,475
    The Barr/Durham investigation is coming to a close. I'm sure you all will discount that as lies and propaganda as well. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,331
    TJ25487 said:
    The Barr/Durham investigation is coming to a close. I'm sure you all will discount that as lies and propaganda as well. 
    Start another incoming indictments thread about it.
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