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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:

    Going after Bernie for this when he refuses to release his taxes? Ha. Not a fight he’s gonna win. 
    tRUmp's going after bernie to keep him in the news because he knows it's a fight here can win. 

    Bernie won't be the Dem candidate. Bernie won't go away either. tRUmp's goal is to use Bernie to pull away ill-informed 'moderates' away from the eventual Dem candidate, again.  That's why fox is giving Bernie a platform too.

    The sooner Bernie fucks off the better.
    Good point and that’s the first thing I thought of when I heard he was going to be on Fox. 

    Not sure the tax thing, specifically, helps Trump though. 
    Bernie's taxes are apparently a mess.  Not signed. Not prepared by an accountant. He claimed less in wages than what we know a senator makes. And so on....

    imho - taxes for presidential and Congressional candidates should be released and certified by the irs. Not volunteered by the candidate.  
    Should be a law for any person running for public office to release them. 
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:

    Going after Bernie for this when he refuses to release his taxes? Ha. Not a fight he’s gonna win. 
    tRUmp's going after bernie to keep him in the news because he knows it's a fight here can win. 

    Bernie won't be the Dem candidate. Bernie won't go away either. tRUmp's goal is to use Bernie to pull away ill-informed 'moderates' away from the eventual Dem candidate, again.  That's why fox is giving Bernie a platform too.

    The sooner Bernie fucks off the better.
    Good point and that’s the first thing I thought of when I heard he was going to be on Fox. 

    Not sure the tax thing, specifically, helps Trump though. 
    Bernie's taxes are apparently a mess.  Not signed. Not prepared by an accountant. He claimed less in wages than what we know a senator makes. And so on....

    imho - taxes for presidential and Congressional candidates should be released and certified by the irs. Not volunteered by the candidate.  
    Should be a law for any person running for public office to release them. 
    At least Congress, Supreme Court, prez vp & cabinet. 
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007

    When has Bernie not complained about Trumps tax cuts, even when it benefited him?

    CRAZY BERNIEEEEEE VS SLEEPY JOE BIDEEEEEEEN

    FIGHT!

    *Mortal Kombat theme song playing*
    It was the, “May god rest their soul,” part that weirded me out. Team Trump Treason practicing dueling with Baron and the flintlocks out in the Rose Garden?
    He really approaches elections like a professional wrestler.
    He approaches everything that way.  He is the wrestling villain president.  That's his shtick.  That's the limit of his "acting" ability.
    Sad really.

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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    He's going to have a fucked up weekend.
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    my2hands said:
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    Meanwhile, in the real world that matters, Team Trump Treason vetoed the Yemen war resolution and used a drone strike to take out the number 2 bad guy in Somalia. Where’s the cries of war monger in chief? Where’s all the Bernie bro butt hurt outrage? Yup, hypocrisy at its most damaging. Guess everyone is ok with Team Trump Treason doing MBS’ bidding? Good to know.
    Where was your outrage when we got involved in 2015 under the Obama administration and stayed involved through 2016 until Trump took over? 
    Still living in the past? Obama avoided getting full on involved and certainly didn’t endorse and turn a blind eye toward the Saudi’s. Where’s your outrage today?
    I like understanding the past and how things started... maybe you dont when it paints your team in a bad light?

    We were just as involved then as we are now, don't kid yourself. Our status and support hasn't changed in this proxy war

    Also, you think Obama or ANY other administration would have done something about the Saudi's? What woukd they have done? Lectured them? Lol, you're not naive so just stop

    I was opposed to our involvement in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019..... how bout you my friend?
    Opposed as well and Obama kept us from getting sucked in. Congress just passed a resolution to get the US out and Team Trump Treason vetoed it. And yet you blame Obama and defend and deflect from Team Trump Treason. You voted for him, didn’t you? Oh by the way? Obama is no longer CIC. Just stop. LOL.


    Obama kept us from getting sucked in? He was the CIC that got us involved ffs!!!

    I absolutely blame Obama for getting us involved, he took the side of the Saudis in the proxy war with Iran just like any US POTUS would have probably done regardless of party because we are in bed with the Saudis, and always will be.... from Bush holding hands to Obama to Trump with that weird light globe thing....

    are you asking if I voted for Trump? because I know Obama didn't walk on water and that America has always and will always be in bed with the Saudis? that's cute

    my voting record is very well known here.... no Reagan or Bush votes in my closet, bro

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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,123
    Tiki said:

    When has Bernie not complained about Trumps tax cuts, even when it benefited him?

    CRAZY BERNIEEEEEE VS SLEEPY JOE BIDEEEEEEEN

    FIGHT!

    *Mortal Kombat theme song playing*
    It was the, “May god rest their soul,” part that weirded me out. Team Trump Treason practicing dueling with Baron and the flintlocks out in the Rose Garden?
    He really approaches elections like a professional wrestler.
    He approaches everything that way.  He is the wrestling villain president.  That's his shtick.  That's the limit of his "acting" ability.
    Sad really.

    True 
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Published on
    Monday, April 18, 2016
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    President Obama's Coddling of Saudi Arabia

    by
    Jake Johnson, staff writer

    President Barack Obama visited with King Salman bin Abdulaziz in the Saudi Arabian capital of Riyadh in January 2015. (Photo: Reuters/J. Bourg)

    Much has been made of President Obama's lengthy interview with Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic, in which he argues that many American allies have become "free-riders" — allies content to receive military, strategic, and financial assistance while offering little or nothing in return.

    One of the countries he mentioned by name was Saudi Arabia, a nation that has been a close ally of the United States for many decades. But during President Obama's tenure, the relationship has (at least on the surface) experienced somewhat of a dip as Iran — Saudi Arabia's main rival — negotiated with the United States and several other nations with the goal of reducing the country's nuclear capacities.

    Such a dip, while a negative for American hawks, would presumably be celebrated by many. For years human rights groups have argued that the United States should use its leverage to put pressure on the Saudi regime, if not to cut ties with the kingdom totally, as it is one of the most heinous human rights violators in the world. Indeed, as Kamel Daoud has argued, Saudi Arabia is "an ISIS that has made it."

    Many have interpreted President Obama's rhetorical jabs at the Saudi kingdom as a sign that substantive change is occurring, change that will be beneficial for Saudis and for the region. This, unfortunately, could not be further from the truth. While President Obama's comments have irked Saudi officials, Congress and the president himself have provided ample reassurance to the Saudi ruling elite by way of historic arms deals and strategic support.

    The United States, because of its close relationship with the kingdom, has been complicit in the war crimes it has committed in its assault on Yemen, and American politicians have been far too willing to turn a blind eye to blatant human rights abuses that they would righteously condemn if committed by official enemies. And President Obama, despite his rhetoric, has throughout his administration continued to approve historic arms deals to the kingdom, deals that have included so-called "smart bombs," aircraft, and other advanced weaponry.

    The New York Times summarizes: "The Saudi military is flying jets and dropping bombs it bought from the United States — part of the billions of dollars in arms deals that have been negotiated with Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf nations during the Obama administration."

    Judging by the above, there seems to be little evidence to support the notion that the president is ushering in a new era of U.S.-Saudi relations, an era in which Saudi Arabia is, for once, held to account for its actions. In fact, the evidence points in precisely the opposite direction.

    As the New York Times reported on Saturday, Saudi officials are infuriated by a bill put forward by the Senate that "would allow the Saudi government to be held responsible in American courts for any role in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." To demonstrate its anger, the regime has resorted to threats: If the bill is passed, Saudi officials say, they will "sell off hundreds of billions of dollars' worth of American assets."

    Criticism of the bill has come from another source, as well: the Obama administration. "The Obama administration has lobbied Congress to block the bill’s passage," the Times reports, arguing that "the legislation would put Americans at legal risk overseas."

    In his interview with the president, Jeffrey Goldberg notes that, "Obama’s patience with Saudi Arabia has always been limited." Well, approving historic arms deals and shielding the kingdom from calls for accountability is a bizarre way to demonstrate waning patience.

    Such an embrace of one of the most repressive regimes in the world by the Obama administration — an embrace that walks the line drawn by many previous presidents — demonstrates the near truism of foreign relations expounded by Noam Chomsky and others: "The United States supports democracy if and only if it conforms to U.S. strategic and economic objectives."

    The same seems to be true with human rights and, indeed, the war against terrorism, itself. Saudi Arabia, as many have observed, is a hub for the spread of extremist ideologies like those currently motivating the self-proclaimed Islamic State.

    The West's continued coddling of Saudi Arabia represents a tacit acceptance of the tactics the kingdom uses both to suppress its own population and to spread violence beyond its borders. Is this the change we are supposed to believe in?

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/04/18/president-obamas-coddling-saudi-arabia


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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,650
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    Meanwhile, in the real world that matters, Team Trump Treason vetoed the Yemen war resolution and used a drone strike to take out the number 2 bad guy in Somalia. Where’s the cries of war monger in chief? Where’s all the Bernie bro butt hurt outrage? Yup, hypocrisy at its most damaging. Guess everyone is ok with Team Trump Treason doing MBS’ bidding? Good to know.
    Where was your outrage when we got involved in 2015 under the Obama administration and stayed involved through 2016 until Trump took over? 
    Still living in the past? Obama avoided getting full on involved and certainly didn’t endorse and turn a blind eye toward the Saudi’s. Where’s your outrage today?
    I like understanding the past and how things started... maybe you dont when it paints your team in a bad light?

    We were just as involved then as we are now, don't kid yourself. Our status and support hasn't changed in this proxy war

    Also, you think Obama or ANY other administration would have done something about the Saudi's? What woukd they have done? Lectured them? Lol, you're not naive so just stop

    I was opposed to our involvement in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019..... how bout you my friend?
    Opposed as well and Obama kept us from getting sucked in. Congress just passed a resolution to get the US out and Team Trump Treason vetoed it. And yet you blame Obama and defend and deflect from Team Trump Treason. You voted for him, didn’t you? Oh by the way? Obama is no longer CIC. Just stop. LOL.


    Obama kept us from getting sucked in? He was the CIC that got us involved ffs!!!

    I absolutely blame Obama for getting us involved, he took the side of the Saudis in the proxy war with Iran just like any US POTUS would have probably done regardless of party because we are in bed with the Saudis, and always will be.... from Bush holding hands to Obama to Trump with that weird light globe thing....

    are you asking if I voted for Trump? because I know Obama didn't walk on water and that America has always and will always be in bed with the Saudis? that's cute

    my voting record is very well known here.... no Reagan or Bush votes in my closet, bro

    Still blaming Obama though, aren’t you? Team Trump Treason vetoed a resolution ending our involvement and yet you choose to live in the past, sis. It was a simple yes or no question regarding your vote but you deflected, why? And for someone allegedly so against US involvement in Yemen dating back to 2015, you sure were pretty outspoken on these very boards. Who knew?
     
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    my2hands said:

    Bitter enemies...LOL.  Every US POTUS is sleeping with dictators.
    Give Peas A Chance…
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,828
    So people aren’t clear now on the difference between publicity photos and policy decisions? 
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007

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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    We get it, he's black
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited April 2019
    So people aren’t clear now on the difference between publicity photos and policy decisions? 

    Are you sure you're clear on the Obama admins policy decisions on Saudi Arabia?

    Record arms deals arent a big deal maybe? 


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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    In the Woodward book Fear, Jared Kushner's influence on setting up Don Trump's first overseas trip to SA is well documented...

    Obama is NOT Don Trump.  
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Both sides, whether you like it or not
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    CM189191 said:
    We get it, he's black
    No, he started the fucking mess

    Why is it always race with some of you???

    I voted for Obama twice, for the record 
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    my2hands said:
    Both sides, whether you like it or not
    false equivalency bro
    false equivalency.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,312
    So I take it that most folks here would be ok if America said fuck off Saudi Arabia & fuck off Israel ? Cause I’d be ok with that ! 
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,828
    my2hands said:
    So people aren’t clear now on the difference between publicity photos and policy decisions? 

    Are you sure you're clear on the Obama admins policy decisions on Saudi Arabia?

    Record arms deals arent a big deal maybe? 


    Maybe you could post some more photos of politicians standing together? I’m sure that would clear it all up. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
    my2hands said:

    Bitter enemies...LOL.  Every US POTUS is sleeping with dictators.
    Wonder if that was taken before or after he ordered the murder of an American journalist. Oh wait, it was WELL before. 

    The laziness of some people here is really disturbing. By the way, here's a shocker, we were friendly with Saddam Hussein and Iraq in the 80's too!!!! OMG!
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    President Trump Tuesday vetoed a joint resolution calling on the U.S. to end military assistance to Saudi-led forces fighting in Yemen's ongoing civil war, calling it "an unnecessary, dangerous attempt to weaken my constitutional authorities."

    #OKTHEN
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    he dangerous
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    yo
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    this is NOW, like today.

    Distracted yet?
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