engaging a Trump supporter is like engaging a flat earther.
Pointless
I could say the same about most of the anti-trump crowd that thinks trump supporters are subhuman, as clearly displayed in this thread by people supposedly representing progressive politics.
Some of you are just as hateful as those that you despise
I encourage everyone to share their actual connection with Trump voters. I'll start.
I work as a probation officer in a red county (but I live in the next county over, which leans blue), and between our department and the adjacent sheriff's office and court house, I'm one of only a handful of people that voted for Clinton. Everyone else went for Trump. But you'd never know it really. They don't discuss Trump, or wear MAGA hats, or whatever. They're completely normal people. They're just republicans that voted for the republican. The vibe I got from most of them in 2016 was "anyone but Hillary."
Ya'll do nothing but gang up on him and talk to him like he's a piece of shit, and he takes it like a champ
And he is right, most if you still haven't figured shit out about 2016. Keep name calling and looking down your nose, and we'll lose again
says the guy who is constantly trying to convince everyone he is the only one who has "figured it out".
Show me where I've said that... or claimed to be superior to anybody in anyway, ever
Did the bolded statement above not imply possessing a greater level of wisdom than the "most" of us who "haven't figured shit out about 2016"? If that wasn't your intention, you should know it'd be hard to read that any other way.
Do you read this thread?
Safe to say most havent figured it out, i guess it's just easier to call people idiots/racists/deplorables and blame it on Russian memes lol
engaging a Trump supporter is like engaging a flat earther.
Pointless
I could say the same about most of the anti-trump crowd that thinks trump supporters are subhuman, as clearly displayed in this thread by people supposedly representing progressive politics.
Some of you are just as hateful as those that you despise
This kind of bothsiding is such bullshit.
One is not like the other.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
engaging a Trump supporter is like engaging a flat earther.
Pointless
I could say the same about most of the anti-trump crowd that thinks trump supporters are subhuman, as clearly displayed in this thread by people supposedly representing progressive politics.
Some of you are just as hateful as those that you despise
I hate turbulence, bad smells, dog shit, ticks, plumbing problems, and cigarette smoke too. Does hating these things make me hateful? Some things are very hateable.
It’s more a matter of respect than hate. It’s tough to respect someone attached to a shithead like Trump for so many reasons.
And there’s no point cozying up to them. They’re not changing their minds because left leaning people are being nice to them.
If the US can’t take down Trump decisively in an election... then it has problems far greater than one could ever have surmised and the issue isn’t Trump. The issue is does the US have a soul.
The people I associate with are not "deplorable." Some of the things that some of them think are whacked. I am the first person to call out unacceptable remarks or behavior when I hear them or see them, no matter who it is. But I am smart enough to know that some remarks and behavior are more deplorable than others.
To suggest all Trump voters are "pure evil" because of one decision they made on one day out of 1,460 days is misguided, at best, and just plain destructive, at worst. When we lose the ability to understand the nuance and complexity of human behavior and psychology, we are no better than the fringe minority of tools who believe Clinton ran a sex ring in a DC pizza shop. Let's not forget that the person who shot up a baseball field of Congress people was a Bernie Sanders supporter. Don't even start the "moral equivalency" bullshit, either. To suggest that people don't live their lives on a continuum is very dangerous thinking, no matter who is thinking it. I'm so sick of the smug, moral superiority of people on both extremes. One shooter on one side versus ten shooters on the other? It doesn't matter. Really, it doesn't, except to say that one side of maniacs is out-gunned. That matters. In fact, on the days when the impending civil war talk ramps up, I think it would be smart to buy a gun and learn how to shoot it. What fool wouldn't own a gun during these dark times, I think to myself. How is this healthy?
Don't get me wrong. I certainly get the frustration. When I listen to Trump speak, I get physically ill in my stomach. My mind clouds over and turns to despair. I have to change the channel most of the time, especially when he is in full-on rally mode. That is scary to watch and listen to. But none of the T-voters I know -- none -- have been to a Trump rally, nor would they go if they could. They just don't care that much.
There have been a handful of days I have despaired so deeply about this situation, I have stayed curled in a ball in my bed in the dark all day. But what is the choice I have when I get up? Live in a country, a community, a workplace, a family where I hate half the people I know? I bold the word hate because sometimes the things I hear the left say about the right does border on hate speech. The choice I'm making is to refuse to participate in it. I believe we are better than that. We need to be better than that.
Ya'll do nothing but gang up on him and talk to him like he's a piece of shit, and he takes it like a champ
And he is right, most if you still haven't figured shit out about 2016. Keep name calling and looking down your nose, and we'll lose again
says the guy who is constantly trying to convince everyone he is the only one who has "figured it out".
Show me where I've said that... or claimed to be superior to anybody in anyway, ever
Did the bolded statement above not imply possessing a greater level of wisdom than the "most" of us who "haven't figured shit out about 2016"? If that wasn't your intention, you should know it'd be hard to read that any other way.
Do you read this thread?
Safe to say most havent figured it out, i guess it's just easier to call people idiots/racists/deplorables and blame it on Russian memes lol
Yes, I read this thread, but I think that question was more rhetorical.
This isn't that complicated. If you tell the masses they "haven't figured it out", it implies you are aware of what it is, while 'they' aren't. That in turn implies that you believe you have more facts, or a better understanding of the facts, or a better ability to connect the dots than the masses. Once again, if it wasn't your intention to suggest you have better skills of deduction, you should know that in my opinion your communication style betrayed your actual intentions. Take it or leave it, I don't really care beyond a weak attempt to have better quality debates on here.
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Can we please stop over-estimating how bigly Trump won? If we can just start there, the "problem of the deplorable Trump voters in America" shrinks exponentially. We all need to quit with the catastrophic thinking.
Good day, all. I'm off to the farmer's market to buy my local sustainable beef and handmade non-GMO bread with only five natural ingredients. Haha.
Further to my post above: not respecting someone’s political or social views does not mean you cannot like them or respect them for other things.
The problem as it currently stands is that- with his outrageous behaviour- Trump has managed to entrench himself as the focal point of American life and his extremism has eclipsed all other aspects of life that have the potential to unify people.
Further to my post above: not respecting someone’s political or social views does not mean you cannot like them or respect them for other things.
The problem as it currently stands is that- with his outrageous behaviour- Trump has managed to entrench himself as the focal point of American life and his extremism has eclipsed all other aspects of life that have the potential to unify people.
...and he still is loved by nearly 50 percent of the people. And essentially all Republicans. That is the problem. If he was acting like this and his party was turning on him while only, say, 15 percent, that would be a great sign for America. But it is awful.
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I encourage everyone to share their actual connection with Trump voters. I'll start.
I engage with Trump voters all the time. I've got Trump voters in my family (siblings, in-laws, cousins, etc). Some are spouses of best friends, some are colleagues. They range in academic intelligence from college educated to high school drop out, six figure incomes to welfare beneficiaries, redneck country hicks to country club executives. One is Native American. One is African-American. I know a few people whom I suspect are secret voters as well, but I've never brought it up.
I have interesting, civil conversations with many of them, and sometimes I completely agree with their perspectives. Some of them are impossible to talk to, so we don't talk about politics at all if I can avoid it, particularly my two brothers. I was with one of them last Sunday when the Barr memo appeared. Our two minute exchange ended when he insisted Hillary Clinton was going to jail, just you wait. Apparently the only reason she hasn't been indicted yet is because "they didn't want it to look like revenge after the election. They're just waiting." How did I not know that? The worst time was the weekend of the Kavanaugh confirmation vote. We had a family gathering that weekend, too. That was rough.
After we survive what feels like the end times, though, all these people will still be my family, friends, and colleagues. My life isn't worse for knowing any of them, and some of them I couldn't imagine living my life without. Some relationships are strained, but we make it work. It's too bad that not everybody understands how to relate to people who are different from them.
I have an extended family member who is a Trump supporter. He's also a top notch outdoorsman. He's backpacked most of the Pacific Coast Trail from Mexico to Canada. He had major back surgery and I asked if he was going to be able to backpack again and he said in no uncertain terms, "Oh yeah!" The guys is a rock. He's generous- he'd literally give you the shirt off his back. In every way he is an outstanding person for whom I have a great deal of respect. Yet he supports Trump. Yeah, I don't get that one either. But with all of his other outstanding characteristics, who an I to berate the guy? In many ways, he's a better man than I.
I bet there were many klansmen in the 30s doing a lot of good things to, when thy were not riding around in white hoods.
The same with nazis. They were not keeping up the movie-villain schtick when coming home to their family after a long day at Birkenau.
People consist of both good and bad. Not saying your friend is equal to Kiefer Sutherland in Jury: A Time to Kill or Ralph Fiennes in Schindler's List.
But supporting someone verging on being a white nationalist and above that is a crook and REALLY DUMB - still says something when you can support the other guy (Hillary or whoever) instead.
I mean, Climate Change is already slowly destroying our planet, so have fun backpacking while supporting a guy who doesn't even know what climate change is, stopping the fight against it, and I bet hurt small animals growing up.
As I said, I don't understand the guys support for Trump. But I'm not going to put down someone who does good things for other people and who I know would engage in political conversation more decently and considerately than most of us here (including me), which is why I don't engage in that kind of conversation with him. If you met the guy and didn't talk about politics, I'll bet you would think he's a really good guy. We are so damn quick to judge around here. Kinda sad, really.
https://apple.news/AGgcjSqhQRLCYc-Mtp-5Epw What a great guy ha go ahead I dare anyone here to post one good human quality about the Baffoon were here waiting for the list , and claiming he’s the son of god doesn’t count ...
I encourage everyone to share their actual connection with Trump voters. I'll start.
I engage with Trump voters all the time. I've got Trump voters in my family (siblings, in-laws, cousins, etc). Some are spouses of best friends, some are colleagues. They range in academic intelligence from college educated to high school drop out, six figure incomes to welfare beneficiaries, redneck country hicks to country club executives. One is Native American. One is African-American. I know a few people whom I suspect are secret voters as well, but I've never brought it up.
I have interesting, civil conversations with many of them, and sometimes I completely agree with their perspectives. Some of them are impossible to talk to, so we don't talk about politics at all if I can avoid it, particularly my two brothers. I was with one of them last Sunday when the Barr memo appeared. Our two minute exchange ended when he insisted Hillary Clinton was going to jail, just you wait. Apparently the only reason she hasn't been indicted yet is because "they didn't want it to look like revenge after the election. They're just waiting." How did I not know that? The worst time was the weekend of the Kavanaugh confirmation vote. We had a family gathering that weekend, too. That was rough.
After we survive what feels like the end times, though, all these people will still be my family, friends, and colleagues. My life isn't worse for knowing any of them, and some of them I couldn't imagine living my life without. Some relationships are strained, but we make it work. It's too bad that not everybody understands how to relate to people who are different from them.
I have an extended family member who is a Trump supporter. He's also a top notch outdoorsman. He's backpacked most of the Pacific Coast Trail from Mexico to Canada. He had major back surgery and I asked if he was going to be able to backpack again and he said in no uncertain terms, "Oh yeah!" The guys is a rock. He's generous- he'd literally give you the shirt off his back. In every way he is an outstanding person for whom I have a great deal of respect. Yet he supports Trump. Yeah, I don't get that one either. But with all of his other outstanding characteristics, who an I to berate the guy? In many ways, he's a better man than I.
I bet there were many klansmen in the 30s doing a lot of good things to, when thy were not riding around in white hoods.
The same with nazis. They were not keeping up the movie-villain schtick when coming home to their family after a long day at Birkenau.
People consist of both good and bad. Not saying your friend is equal to Kiefer Sutherland in Jury: A Time to Kill or Ralph Fiennes in Schindler's List.
But supporting someone verging on being a white nationalist and above that is a crook and REALLY DUMB - still says something when you can support the other guy (Hillary or whoever) instead.
I mean, Climate Change is already slowly destroying our planet, so have fun backpacking while supporting a guy who doesn't even know what climate change is, stopping the fight against it, and I bet hurt small animals growing up.
As I said, I don't understand the guys support for Trump. But I'm not going to put down someone who does good things for other people and who I know would engage in political conversation more decently and considerately than most of us here (including me), which is why I don't engage in that kind of conversation with him. If you met the guy and didn't talk about politics, I'll bet you would think he's a really good guy. We are so damn quick to judge around here. Kinda sad, really.
Can I ask you this, does he act or talk in any way like Trump? If not, then it's safe to assume there are policies that he likes that Trump supports for whatever reason...
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I encourage everyone to share their actual connection with Trump voters. I'll start.
I engage with Trump voters all the time. I've got Trump voters in my family (siblings, in-laws, cousins, etc). Some are spouses of best friends, some are colleagues. They range in academic intelligence from college educated to high school drop out, six figure incomes to welfare beneficiaries, redneck country hicks to country club executives. One is Native American. One is African-American. I know a few people whom I suspect are secret voters as well, but I've never brought it up.
I have interesting, civil conversations with many of them, and sometimes I completely agree with their perspectives. Some of them are impossible to talk to, so we don't talk about politics at all if I can avoid it, particularly my two brothers. I was with one of them last Sunday when the Barr memo appeared. Our two minute exchange ended when he insisted Hillary Clinton was going to jail, just you wait. Apparently the only reason she hasn't been indicted yet is because "they didn't want it to look like revenge after the election. They're just waiting." How did I not know that? The worst time was the weekend of the Kavanaugh confirmation vote. We had a family gathering that weekend, too. That was rough.
After we survive what feels like the end times, though, all these people will still be my family, friends, and colleagues. My life isn't worse for knowing any of them, and some of them I couldn't imagine living my life without. Some relationships are strained, but we make it work. It's too bad that not everybody understands how to relate to people who are different from them.
I have an extended family member who is a Trump supporter. He's also a top notch outdoorsman. He's backpacked most of the Pacific Coast Trail from Mexico to Canada. He had major back surgery and I asked if he was going to be able to backpack again and he said in no uncertain terms, "Oh yeah!" The guys is a rock. He's generous- he'd literally give you the shirt off his back. In every way he is an outstanding person for whom I have a great deal of respect. Yet he supports Trump. Yeah, I don't get that one either. But with all of his other outstanding characteristics, who an I to berate the guy? In many ways, he's a better man than I.
I bet there were many klansmen in the 30s doing a lot of good things to, when thy were not riding around in white hoods.
The same with nazis. They were not keeping up the movie-villain schtick when coming home to their family after a long day at Birkenau.
People consist of both good and bad. Not saying your friend is equal to Kiefer Sutherland in Jury: A Time to Kill or Ralph Fiennes in Schindler's List.
But supporting someone verging on being a white nationalist and above that is a crook and REALLY DUMB - still says something when you can support the other guy (Hillary or whoever) instead.
I mean, Climate Change is already slowly destroying our planet, so have fun backpacking while supporting a guy who doesn't even know what climate change is, stopping the fight against it, and I bet hurt small animals growing up.
As I said, I don't understand the guys support for Trump. But I'm not going to put down someone who does good things for other people and who I know would engage in political conversation more decently and considerately than most of us here (including me), which is why I don't engage in that kind of conversation with him. If you met the guy and didn't talk about politics, I'll bet you would think he's a really good guy. We are so damn quick to judge around here. Kinda sad, really.
Can I ask you this, does he act or talk in any way like Trump? If not, then it's safe to assume there are policies that he likes that Trump supports for whatever reason...
No. Not at all. I think he is in favor of Trump's economic policies, view on taxes, that sort of thing. What can I say? He's a really nice, good person who would risk his life for a friend (or maybe even someone not a friend- he's a firefighter), who has no racial or gender biases, who would make a great hiking or camping partner but who agrees with the ideas about economics that I personally think are totally out to lunch. Yeah, a bit disjointed that way. But let's put it this way- I think I'm a pretty good judge of character and other than disagreeing with some of this guy's political views, I personally know few people with as good and generous a character as his. And to be truthful, I think he is far more civil in conversation than at least half the people here. If anyone here met him, I'm almost certain they would think he's a really good guy.
I'm not supporting Trump here or saying I think it's OK to support Trump. Obviously I have the same general feelings toward the POTUS as most of us here. I banned myself from the forums for six months because I shit on those here who voted for the man. But I'm not going to shit on a guy who I see, by his life and his actions, as a good person.
I encourage everyone to share their actual connection with Trump voters. I'll start.
I engage with Trump voters all the time. I've got Trump voters in my family (siblings, in-laws, cousins, etc). Some are spouses of best friends, some are colleagues. They range in academic intelligence from college educated to high school drop out, six figure incomes to welfare beneficiaries, redneck country hicks to country club executives. One is Native American. One is African-American. I know a few people whom I suspect are secret voters as well, but I've never brought it up.
I have interesting, civil conversations with many of them, and sometimes I completely agree with their perspectives. Some of them are impossible to talk to, so we don't talk about politics at all if I can avoid it, particularly my two brothers. I was with one of them last Sunday when the Barr memo appeared. Our two minute exchange ended when he insisted Hillary Clinton was going to jail, just you wait. Apparently the only reason she hasn't been indicted yet is because "they didn't want it to look like revenge after the election. They're just waiting." How did I not know that? The worst time was the weekend of the Kavanaugh confirmation vote. We had a family gathering that weekend, too. That was rough.
After we survive what feels like the end times, though, all these people will still be my family, friends, and colleagues. My life isn't worse for knowing any of them, and some of them I couldn't imagine living my life without. Some relationships are strained, but we make it work. It's too bad that not everybody understands how to relate to people who are different from them.
I have an extended family member who is a Trump supporter. He's also a top notch outdoorsman. He's backpacked most of the Pacific Coast Trail from Mexico to Canada. He had major back surgery and I asked if he was going to be able to backpack again and he said in no uncertain terms, "Oh yeah!" The guys is a rock. He's generous- he'd literally give you the shirt off his back. In every way he is an outstanding person for whom I have a great deal of respect. Yet he supports Trump. Yeah, I don't get that one either. But with all of his other outstanding characteristics, who an I to berate the guy? In many ways, he's a better man than I.
I bet there were many klansmen in the 30s doing a lot of good things to, when thy were not riding around in white hoods.
The same with nazis. They were not keeping up the movie-villain schtick when coming home to their family after a long day at Birkenau.
People consist of both good and bad. Not saying your friend is equal to Kiefer Sutherland in Jury: A Time to Kill or Ralph Fiennes in Schindler's List.
But supporting someone verging on being a white nationalist and above that is a crook and REALLY DUMB - still says something when you can support the other guy (Hillary or whoever) instead.
I mean, Climate Change is already slowly destroying our planet, so have fun backpacking while supporting a guy who doesn't even know what climate change is, stopping the fight against it, and I bet hurt small animals growing up.
As I said, I don't understand the guys support for Trump. But I'm not going to put down someone who does good things for other people and who I know would engage in political conversation more decently and considerately than most of us here (including me), which is why I don't engage in that kind of conversation with him. If you met the guy and didn't talk about politics, I'll bet you would think he's a really good guy. We are so damn quick to judge around here. Kinda sad, really.
Can I ask you this, does he act or talk in any way like Trump? If not, then it's safe to assume there are policies that he likes that Trump supports for whatever reason...
No. Not at all. I think he is in favor of Trump's economic policies, view on taxes, that sort of thing. What can I say? He's a really nice, good person who would risk his life for a friend (or maybe even someone not a friend- he's a firefighter), who has no racial or gender biases, who would make a great hiking or camping partner but who agrees with the ideas about economics that I personally think are totally out to lunch. Yeah, a bit disjointed that way. But let's put it this way- I think I'm a pretty good judge of character and other than disagreeing with some of this guy's political views, I personally know few people with as good and generous a character as his. And to be truthful, I think he is far more civil in conversation than at least half the people here. If anyone here met him, I'm almost certain they would think he's a really good guy.
I'm not supporting Trump here or saying I think it's OK to support Trump. Obviously I have the same general feelings toward the POTUS as most of us here. I banned myself from the forums for six months because I shit on those here who voted for the man. But I'm not going to shit on a guy who I see, by his life and his actions, as a good person.
I have a few close friends that fall into the same category. They aren't fans of his behavior at all, but like his economic policies. They are good people. There are assholes in each party, but there are also some great people in each party.
I encourage everyone to share their actual connection with Trump voters. I'll start.
I engage with Trump voters all the time. I've got Trump voters in my family (siblings, in-laws, cousins, etc). Some are spouses of best friends, some are colleagues. They range in academic intelligence from college educated to high school drop out, six figure incomes to welfare beneficiaries, redneck country hicks to country club executives. One is Native American. One is African-American. I know a few people whom I suspect are secret voters as well, but I've never brought it up.
I have interesting, civil conversations with many of them, and sometimes I completely agree with their perspectives. Some of them are impossible to talk to, so we don't talk about politics at all if I can avoid it, particularly my two brothers. I was with one of them last Sunday when the Barr memo appeared. Our two minute exchange ended when he insisted Hillary Clinton was going to jail, just you wait. Apparently the only reason she hasn't been indicted yet is because "they didn't want it to look like revenge after the election. They're just waiting." How did I not know that? The worst time was the weekend of the Kavanaugh confirmation vote. We had a family gathering that weekend, too. That was rough.
After we survive what feels like the end times, though, all these people will still be my family, friends, and colleagues. My life isn't worse for knowing any of them, and some of them I couldn't imagine living my life without. Some relationships are strained, but we make it work. It's too bad that not everybody understands how to relate to people who are different from them.
I have an extended family member who is a Trump supporter. He's also a top notch outdoorsman. He's backpacked most of the Pacific Coast Trail from Mexico to Canada. He had major back surgery and I asked if he was going to be able to backpack again and he said in no uncertain terms, "Oh yeah!" The guys is a rock. He's generous- he'd literally give you the shirt off his back. In every way he is an outstanding person for whom I have a great deal of respect. Yet he supports Trump. Yeah, I don't get that one either. But with all of his other outstanding characteristics, who an I to berate the guy? In many ways, he's a better man than I.
I bet there were many klansmen in the 30s doing a lot of good things to, when thy were not riding around in white hoods.
The same with nazis. They were not keeping up the movie-villain schtick when coming home to their family after a long day at Birkenau.
People consist of both good and bad. Not saying your friend is equal to Kiefer Sutherland in Jury: A Time to Kill or Ralph Fiennes in Schindler's List.
But supporting someone verging on being a white nationalist and above that is a crook and REALLY DUMB - still says something when you can support the other guy (Hillary or whoever) instead.
I mean, Climate Change is already slowly destroying our planet, so have fun backpacking while supporting a guy who doesn't even know what climate change is, stopping the fight against it, and I bet hurt small animals growing up.
As I said, I don't understand the guys support for Trump. But I'm not going to put down someone who does good things for other people and who I know would engage in political conversation more decently and considerately than most of us here (including me), which is why I don't engage in that kind of conversation with him. If you met the guy and didn't talk about politics, I'll bet you would think he's a really good guy. We are so damn quick to judge around here. Kinda sad, really.
Can I ask you this, does he act or talk in any way like Trump? If not, then it's safe to assume there are policies that he likes that Trump supports for whatever reason...
No. Not at all. I think he is in favor of Trump's economic policies, view on taxes, that sort of thing. What can I say? He's a really nice, good person who would risk his life for a friend (or maybe even someone not a friend- he's a firefighter), who has no racial or gender biases, who would make a great hiking or camping partner but who agrees with the ideas about economics that I personally think are totally out to lunch. Yeah, a bit disjointed that way. But let's put it this way- I think I'm a pretty good judge of character and other than disagreeing with some of this guy's political views, I personally know few people with as good and generous a character as his. And to be truthful, I think he is far more civil in conversation than at least half the people here. If anyone here met him, I'm almost certain they would think he's a really good guy.
I'm not supporting Trump here or saying I think it's OK to support Trump. Obviously I have the same general feelings toward the POTUS as most of us here. I banned myself from the forums for six months because I shit on those here who voted for the man. But I'm not going to shit on a guy who I see, by his life and his actions, as a good person.
Brian, then I do not see the problem. He seems like a great guy that any community would be proud to have as a citizen. Enjoy his friendship.
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brianlux
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No. Not at all. I think he is in favor of Trump's economic policies, view on taxes, that sort of thing. What can I say? He's a really nice, good person who would risk his life for a friend (or maybe even someone not a friend- he's a firefighter), who has no racial or gender biases, who would make a great hiking or camping partner but who agrees with the ideas about economics that I personally think are totally out to lunch. Yeah, a bit disjointed that way. But let's put it this way- I think I'm a pretty good judge of character and other than disagreeing with some of this guy's political views, I personally know few people with as good and generous a character as his. And to be truthful, I think he is far more civil in conversation than at least half the people here. If anyone here met him, I'm almost certain they would think he's a really good guy.
I'm not supporting Trump here or saying I think it's OK to support Trump. Obviously I have the same general feelings toward the POTUS as most of us here. I banned myself from the forums for six months because I shit on those here who voted for the man. But I'm not going to shit on a guy who I see, by his life and his actions, as a good person.
I have a few close friends that fall into the same category. They aren't fans of his behavior at all, but like his economic policies. They are good people. There are assholes in each party, but there are also some great people in each party.
As I said, I don't understand the guys support for Trump. But I'm not going to put down someone who does good things for other people and who I know would engage in political conversation more decently and considerately than most of us here (including me), which is why I don't engage in that kind of conversation with him. If you met the guy and didn't talk about politics, I'll bet you would think he's a really good guy. We are so damn quick to judge around here. Kinda sad, really.
Can I ask you this, does he act or talk in any way like Trump? If not, then it's safe to assume there are policies that he likes that Trump supports for whatever reason...
No. Not at all. I think he is in favor of Trump's economic policies, view on taxes, that sort of thing. What can I say? He's a really nice, good person who would risk his life for a friend (or maybe even someone not a friend- he's a firefighter), who has no racial or gender biases, who would make a great hiking or camping partner but who agrees with the ideas about economics that I personally think are totally out to lunch. Yeah, a bit disjointed that way. But let's put it this way- I think I'm a pretty good judge of character and other than disagreeing with some of this guy's political views, I personally know few people with as good and generous a character as his. And to be truthful, I think he is far more civil in conversation than at least half the people here. If anyone here met him, I'm almost certain they would think he's a really good guy.
I'm not supporting Trump here or saying I think it's OK to support Trump. Obviously I have the same general feelings toward the POTUS as most of us here. I banned myself from the forums for six months because I shit on those here who voted for the man. But I'm not going to shit on a guy who I see, by his life and his actions, as a good person.
Brian, then I do not see the problem. He seems like a great guy that any community would be proud to have as a citizen. Enjoy his friendship.
No. Not at all. I think he is in favor of Trump's economic policies, view on taxes, that sort of thing. What can I say? He's a really nice, good person who would risk his life for a friend (or maybe even someone not a friend- he's a firefighter), who has no racial or gender biases, who would make a great hiking or camping partner but who agrees with the ideas about economics that I personally think are totally out to lunch. Yeah, a bit disjointed that way. But let's put it this way- I think I'm a pretty good judge of character and other than disagreeing with some of this guy's political views, I personally know few people with as good and generous a character as his. And to be truthful, I think he is far more civil in conversation than at least half the people here. If anyone here met him, I'm almost certain they would think he's a really good guy.
I'm not supporting Trump here or saying I think it's OK to support Trump. Obviously I have the same general feelings toward the POTUS as most of us here. I banned myself from the forums for six months because I shit on those here who voted for the man. But I'm not going to shit on a guy who I see, by his life and his actions, as a good person.
I have a few close friends that fall into the same category. They aren't fans of his behavior at all, but like his economic policies. They are good people. There are assholes in each party, but there are also some great people in each party.
As I said, I don't understand the guys support for Trump. But I'm not going to put down someone who does good things for other people and who I know would engage in political conversation more decently and considerately than most of us here (including me), which is why I don't engage in that kind of conversation with him. If you met the guy and didn't talk about politics, I'll bet you would think he's a really good guy. We are so damn quick to judge around here. Kinda sad, really.
Can I ask you this, does he act or talk in any way like Trump? If not, then it's safe to assume there are policies that he likes that Trump supports for whatever reason...
No. Not at all. I think he is in favor of Trump's economic policies, view on taxes, that sort of thing. What can I say? He's a really nice, good person who would risk his life for a friend (or maybe even someone not a friend- he's a firefighter), who has no racial or gender biases, who would make a great hiking or camping partner but who agrees with the ideas about economics that I personally think are totally out to lunch. Yeah, a bit disjointed that way. But let's put it this way- I think I'm a pretty good judge of character and other than disagreeing with some of this guy's political views, I personally know few people with as good and generous a character as his. And to be truthful, I think he is far more civil in conversation than at least half the people here. If anyone here met him, I'm almost certain they would think he's a really good guy.
I'm not supporting Trump here or saying I think it's OK to support Trump. Obviously I have the same general feelings toward the POTUS as most of us here. I banned myself from the forums for six months because I shit on those here who voted for the man. But I'm not going to shit on a guy who I see, by his life and his actions, as a good person.
Brian, then I do not see the problem. He seems like a great guy that any community would be proud to have as a citizen. Enjoy his friendship.
engaging a Trump supporter is like engaging a flat earther.
Pointless
I could say the same about most of the anti-trump crowd that thinks trump supporters are subhuman, as clearly displayed in this thread by people supposedly representing progressive politics.
Some of you are just as hateful as those that you despise
This kind of bothsiding is such bullshit.
One is not like the other.
You love to call out the Trump supporters on here, but how many do you actually think financially support him and his presidency...I'd be surprised if it was more than 5. But if you have bought Kiss merchandise, music or plan/attended a concert of Kiss, I can guarantee you some of Simmons KIss $$$ finds it's way to the Trump campaign...might want to be careful calling people out, especially Brian.
engaging a Trump supporter is like engaging a flat earther.
Pointless
I could say the same about most of the anti-trump crowd that thinks trump supporters are subhuman, as clearly displayed in this thread by people supposedly representing progressive politics.
Some of you are just as hateful as those that you despise
This kind of bothsiding is such bullshit.
One is not like the other.
You love to call out the Trump supporters on here, but how many do you actually think financially support him and his presidency...I'd be surprised if it was more than 5. But if you have bought Kiss merchandise, music or plan/attended a concert of Kiss, I can guarantee you some of Simmons KIss $$$ finds it's way to the Trump campaign...might want to be careful calling people out, especially Brian.
This almost makes me want to resell my Kiss coffin... almost..
engaging a Trump supporter is like engaging a flat earther.
Pointless
I could say the same about most of the anti-trump crowd that thinks trump supporters are subhuman, as clearly displayed in this thread by people supposedly representing progressive politics.
Some of you are just as hateful as those that you despise
This kind of bothsiding is such bullshit.
One is not like the other.
You love to call out the Trump supporters on here, but how many do you actually think financially support him and his presidency...I'd be surprised if it was more than 5. But if you have bought Kiss merchandise, music or plan/attended a concert of Kiss, I can guarantee you some of Simmons KIss $$$ finds it's way to the Trump campaign...might want to be careful calling people out, especially Brian.
This almost makes me want to resell my Kiss coffin... almost..
I am not saying do dislike kiss, just be careful calling people out...because in one way or another many people are supporting Trump unwillingly.
engaging a Trump supporter is like engaging a flat earther.
Pointless
I could say the same about most of the anti-trump crowd that thinks trump supporters are subhuman, as clearly displayed in this thread by people supposedly representing progressive politics.
Some of you are just as hateful as those that you despise
This kind of bothsiding is such bullshit.
One is not like the other.
You love to call out the Trump supporters on here, but how many do you actually think financially support him and his presidency...I'd be surprised if it was more than 5. But if you have bought Kiss merchandise, music or plan/attended a concert of Kiss, I can guarantee you some of Simmons KIss $$$ finds it's way to the Trump campaign...might want to be careful calling people out, especially Brian.
This almost makes me want to resell my Kiss coffin... almost..
I have to ask. Do you really own a kiss coffin? If so, is it full size...or are you being sarcastic.
engaging a Trump supporter is like engaging a flat earther.
Pointless
I could say the same about most of the anti-trump crowd that thinks trump supporters are subhuman, as clearly displayed in this thread by people supposedly representing progressive politics.
Some of you are just as hateful as those that you despise
This kind of bothsiding is such bullshit.
One is not like the other.
You love to call out the Trump supporters on here, but how many do you actually think financially support him and his presidency...I'd be surprised if it was more than 5. But if you have bought Kiss merchandise, music or plan/attended a concert of Kiss, I can guarantee you some of Simmons KIss $$$ finds it's way to the Trump campaign...might want to be careful calling people out, especially Brian.
This almost makes me want to resell my Kiss coffin... almost..
I am not saying do dislike kiss, just be careful calling people out...because in one way or another many people are supporting Trump unwillingly.
I actually think Kiss sucks. I respect that they pioneered the explosions and the light shows, but their music is boring af.
engaging a Trump supporter is like engaging a flat earther.
Pointless
I could say the same about most of the anti-trump crowd that thinks trump supporters are subhuman, as clearly displayed in this thread by people supposedly representing progressive politics.
Some of you are just as hateful as those that you despise
This kind of bothsiding is such bullshit.
One is not like the other.
You love to call out the Trump supporters on here, but how many do you actually think financially support him and his presidency...I'd be surprised if it was more than 5. But if you have bought Kiss merchandise, music or plan/attended a concert of Kiss, I can guarantee you some of Simmons KIss $$$ finds it's way to the Trump campaign...might want to be careful calling people out, especially Brian.
This almost makes me want to resell my Kiss coffin... almost..
I am not saying do dislike kiss, just be careful calling people out...because in one way or another many people are supporting Trump unwillingly.
I actually think Kiss sucks. I respect that they pioneered the explosions and the light shows, but their music is boring af.
That makes sense...
Very true about the light show. My cousin did not like kiss music but went to the shows for the production value...
engaging a Trump supporter is like engaging a flat earther.
Pointless
I could say the same about most of the anti-trump crowd that thinks trump supporters are subhuman, as clearly displayed in this thread by people supposedly representing progressive politics.
Some of you are just as hateful as those that you despise
This kind of bothsiding is such bullshit.
One is not like the other.
You love to call out the Trump supporters on here, but how many do you actually think financially support him and his presidency...I'd be surprised if it was more than 5. But if you have bought Kiss merchandise, music or plan/attended a concert of Kiss, I can guarantee you some of Simmons KIss $$$ finds it's way to the Trump campaign...might want to be careful calling people out, especially Brian.
This almost makes me want to resell my Kiss coffin... almost..
I have to ask. Do you really own a kiss coffin? If so, is it full size...or are you being sarcastic.
Ha! Hell no. I just think it's hilarious that it actually exists.
engaging a Trump supporter is like engaging a flat earther.
Pointless
I could say the same about most of the anti-trump crowd that thinks trump supporters are subhuman, as clearly displayed in this thread by people supposedly representing progressive politics.
Some of you are just as hateful as those that you despise
This kind of bothsiding is such bullshit.
One is not like the other.
You love to call out the Trump supporters on here, but how many do you actually think financially support him and his presidency...I'd be surprised if it was more than 5. But if you have bought Kiss merchandise, music or plan/attended a concert of Kiss, I can guarantee you some of Simmons KIss $$$ finds it's way to the Trump campaign...might want to be careful calling people out, especially Brian.
This almost makes me want to resell my Kiss coffin... almost..
I have to ask. Do you really own a kiss coffin? If so, is it full size...or are you being sarcastic.
Ha! Hell no. I just think it's hilarious that it actually exists.
LOL. I did not even know one existed until today...
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Safe to say most havent figured it out, i guess it's just easier to call people idiots/racists/deplorables and blame it on Russian memes lol
One is not like the other.
It’s more a matter of respect than hate. It’s tough to respect someone attached to a shithead like Trump for so many reasons.
And there’s no point cozying up to them. They’re not changing their minds because left leaning people are being nice to them.
If the US can’t take down Trump decisively in an election... then it has problems far greater than one could ever have surmised and the issue isn’t Trump. The issue is does the US have a soul.
To suggest all Trump voters are "pure evil" because of one decision they made on one day out of 1,460 days is misguided, at best, and just plain destructive, at worst. When we lose the ability to understand the nuance and complexity of human behavior and psychology, we are no better than the fringe minority of tools who believe Clinton ran a sex ring in a DC pizza shop. Let's not forget that the person who shot up a baseball field of Congress people was a Bernie Sanders supporter. Don't even start the "moral equivalency" bullshit, either. To suggest that people don't live their lives on a continuum is very dangerous thinking, no matter who is thinking it. I'm so sick of the smug, moral superiority of people on both extremes. One shooter on one side versus ten shooters on the other? It doesn't matter. Really, it doesn't, except to say that one side of maniacs is out-gunned. That matters. In fact, on the days when the impending civil war talk ramps up, I think it would be smart to buy a gun and learn how to shoot it. What fool wouldn't own a gun during these dark times, I think to myself. How is this healthy?
Don't get me wrong. I certainly get the frustration. When I listen to Trump speak, I get physically ill in my stomach. My mind clouds over and turns to despair. I have to change the channel most of the time, especially when he is in full-on rally mode. That is scary to watch and listen to. But none of the T-voters I know -- none -- have been to a Trump rally, nor would they go if they could. They just don't care that much.
There have been a handful of days I have despaired so deeply about this situation, I have stayed curled in a ball in my bed in the dark all day. But what is the choice I have when I get up? Live in a country, a community, a workplace, a family where I hate half the people I know? I bold the word hate because sometimes the things I hear the left say about the right does border on hate speech. The choice I'm making is to refuse to participate in it. I believe we are better than that. We need to be better than that.
This isn't that complicated. If you tell the masses they "haven't figured it out", it implies you are aware of what it is, while 'they' aren't. That in turn implies that you believe you have more facts, or a better understanding of the facts, or a better ability to connect the dots than the masses. Once again, if it wasn't your intention to suggest you have better skills of deduction, you should know that in my opinion your communication style betrayed your actual intentions. Take it or leave it, I don't really care beyond a weak attempt to have better quality debates on here.
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Good day, all. I'm off to the farmer's market to buy my local sustainable beef and handmade non-GMO bread with only five natural ingredients. Haha.
The problem as it currently stands is that- with his outrageous behaviour- Trump has managed to entrench himself as the focal point of American life and his extremism has eclipsed all other aspects of life that have the potential to unify people.
Go ahead defend this policy..again who’s treating humans as subhumans?
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What a great guy ha go ahead I dare anyone here to post one good human quality about the Baffoon were here waiting for the list , and claiming he’s the son of god doesn’t count ...
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Very true about the light show. My cousin did not like kiss music but went to the shows for the production value...