Donald Trump

benjs

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

LongestRoad said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

vaggar99 said:

Good People Don’t Defend A Bad Man

January 12, 2018 / John Pavlovitz

At times in this life it can be a challenge to figure out who the bad people are, but sometimes they help you.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/01/12/good-people-dont-defend-bad-man/

Made me sad and angry reading this.
How low have people stooped that they voted and continue to support this germ.
I personally have cut someone off from my life because of his support for Trump.

I have too. I had a friend - a Canadian non-white person no less - who lost his mind and basically became a Trump troll for some reason. I tried to deal with it for a while, but he just got worse and worse, started digging his heels in, and even started getting in arguments with stangers in bars about it and shit. I finally just had to cut him off. Blocked him on facebook, got rid of his contact info. He basically just made the decision to be "the asshole". I think he gets off on it. I don't need that kind of idiocy in my life.

so your "friend" didn't agree with people at a bar and they were arguing with him. take your time and read that over. 
Your "friend doesn't agree with your politics as much as you don't agree with his but he didn't unfriend you. you unfriended him. 
Like I always say, liberals want everyone to be free to believe whatever they want as long as you believe exactly as they believe. 
I think your "friend" is lucky.

Wow!    You slipped in that "liberals want everything free" thing?    Wow! 

Liberals want their form of freedom which is agree to their view or be gone. Only the extremists can't see that freedom means free to have different views. 

Freedom means free to choose who your friends are, too. 
 

This is true but if your friend doesn't agree with you, you think that instead of discussing and debating your sides, it's better to unfriend them. In that case it's obvious you all weree never really friends. Seems it better to discuss the differences so bits and pieces of each side may make more sense. I don't think the people I know on the far right and left will ever completely meet in the middle but I think every once in a while someone says that makes sense. It's like people can't see the forest for the tree, but if you step back and take a good look you can sense more than just your original view.

If you've never had someone whose unethical behaviour was so egregious to you that you no longer wanted to keep their company - you're either very lucky (because your friends never exposed you to those offensive behaviours), or have a very weak moral compass of your own. There are some non-starters even, situations in which I won't ever feel obligated to give a chance to explain. If I see a KKK outfit in my cousin's closet, I will not wait for an explanation. If I hear immigrants discussed like infestations bringing with them drugs and future addictions, there is a person who has refused at least a decade of access to Google and throngs of statistics disproving that notion definitively to confirm their own bias. 

And by the way - since you keep referring to "what liberals want" - try this explanation on. It really isn't tough, yet no one from your political side of the spectrum on here has accepted this. Governments impose legal norms through laws, and penalizes through legal persecution. Society imposes social norms through social collective behaviours (welcoming individuals into social circles/environments), and penalizes through social collective behaviours (trying to pressure change towards adherence to social norms, and in dire circumstances ostracizing individuals from social circles/environments).

I've read articles talking about how the only things that society shouldn't tolerate is intolerance itself - I'd add shitty logic. If that wasn't tolerated (alongside an education that produces it), your country wouldn't be as FUBAR.

josevolution

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

What an awful human being there is no other way to describe him I dare any of the Baffoon supporters to list two decent human qualities, it seems we have two supporters that believe in him here so I ask them both to list something good about the Baffoon...

Two good qualities huh?

1) He has a great love for his daughter........
2) His TV show raised a lot of $ for charity.....

Hmmmm that was hard.  

I don’t believe the 2nd one at all and if it came down to who goes to jail between him or her I’d bet he would throw her under the bus before he would ever take the hit ...
its about time you came out of the closet CCB as being a buffoon supporter I thought you had some orange in you lol ...
funny you say he has love for his daughter but has left hundreds of kids to sleep on concrete floors with shit food to eat while she fines on bugula caviar ! 

josevolution

While she dines on the finest of foods ...

cincybearcat

josevolution said:

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

What an awful human being there is no other way to describe him I dare any of the Baffoon supporters to list two decent human qualities, it seems we have two supporters that believe in him here so I ask them both to list something good about the Baffoon...

Two good qualities huh?

1) He has a great love for his daughter........
2) His TV show raised a lot of $ for charity.....

Hmmmm that was hard.  

I don’t believe the 2nd one at all and if it came down to who goes to jail between him or her I’d bet he would throw her under the bus before he would ever take the hit ...
its about time you came out of the closet CCB as being a buffoon supporter I thought you had some orange in you lol ...
funny you say he has love for his daughter but has left hundreds of kids to sleep on concrete floors with shit food to eat while she fines on bugula caviar ! 

Yeah you missed my sarcasm regarding #1.  https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/


And #2 isn't him, it's his show.  So I thought I was proving your point in that I literally tried to think of 2 things and that was all I could come up with

stuckinline

Cincy,

Is this legit? https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/
If so, it is absolutely disgusting. 

cincybearcat

stuckinline said:

Cincy,

Is this legit? https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/
If so, it is absolutely disgusting. 

I didn't confirm them all, but yes at least some are 100% true.  He has said some seriously creepy things.

josevolution

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

What an awful human being there is no other way to describe him I dare any of the Baffoon supporters to list two decent human qualities, it seems we have two supporters that believe in him here so I ask them both to list something good about the Baffoon...

Two good qualities huh?

1) He has a great love for his daughter........
2) His TV show raised a lot of $ for charity.....

Hmmmm that was hard.  

I don’t believe the 2nd one at all and if it came down to who goes to jail between him or her I’d bet he would throw her under the bus before he would ever take the hit ...
its about time you came out of the closet CCB as being a buffoon supporter I thought you had some orange in you lol ...
funny you say he has love for his daughter but has left hundreds of kids to sleep on concrete floors with shit food to eat while she fines on bugula caviar ! 

Yeah you missed my sarcasm regarding #1.  https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/


And #2 isn't him, it's his show.  So I thought I was proving your point in that I literally tried to think of 2 things and that was all I could come up with

Totally missed your points right over my head need more coffee lol I agree with you carry on I’m headed to kitchen fill my cup ..

stuckinline

cincybearcat said:

stuckinline said:

Cincy,

Is this legit? https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/
If so, it is absolutely disgusting. 

I didn't confirm them all, but yes at least some are 100% true.  He has said some seriously creepy things.

Gotcha. How in the hell can anyone support him?

Halifax2TheMax

stuckinline said:

cincybearcat said:

stuckinline said:

Cincy,

Is this legit? https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/
If so, it is absolutely disgusting. 

I didn't confirm them all, but yes at least some are 100% true.  He has said some seriously creepy things.

Gotcha. How in the hell can anyone support him?

BUILD THE WALL! LOCK HER UP! Not necessarily in that order. Priorities, ya know?

tbergs

Halifax2TheMax said:

stuckinline said:

cincybearcat said:

stuckinline said:

Cincy,

Is this legit? https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/
If so, it is absolutely disgusting. 

I didn't confirm them all, but yes at least some are 100% true.  He has said some seriously creepy things.

Gotcha. How in the hell can anyone support him?

BUILD THE WALL! LOCK HER UP! Not necessarily in that order. Priorities, ya know?

I prefer to mix the two - Lock her inside the wall!

cincybearcat

stuckinline said:

cincybearcat said:

stuckinline said:

Cincy,

Is this legit? https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/
If so, it is absolutely disgusting. 

I didn't confirm them all, but yes at least some are 100% true.  He has said some seriously creepy things.

Gotcha. How in the hell can anyone support him?

You are asking me a question I cannot answer.  While not as a well-rounded piece of crap, people support Bill Clinton after he abused his power and had sexual relations with an intern (and a history of being very trumpish with women). 

People are willing to ignore a lot to get the 1 or 2 things they care most about.  And for some it's abortion.  And it doesn't matter the actions really, they vote against the person who has the stated opinion against theirs.  And for some it's guns....same thing.  And then illegal immigration.  I truly believe those are the 3 things that give trump his supporters.  He got some other votes for a perceived mastery of the economy during the 1st election.....and the economy is going well so he might get those again. 

ikiT

ahhh...remember the good old days when all he used to do was incite violence among the stupid at his rallies?

good times.

ikiT

his supporters

Halifax2TheMax

Tiki said:

his supporters

Wrong size. Should be xs.

bootlegger10

cincybearcat said:

stuckinline said:

cincybearcat said:

stuckinline said:

Cincy,

Is this legit? https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/
If so, it is absolutely disgusting. 

I didn't confirm them all, but yes at least some are 100% true.  He has said some seriously creepy things.

Gotcha. How in the hell can anyone support him?

You are asking me a question I cannot answer.  While not as a well-rounded piece of crap, people support Bill Clinton after he abused his power and had sexual relations with an intern (and a history of being very trumpish with women). 

People are willing to ignore a lot to get the 1 or 2 things they care most about.  And for some it's abortion.  And it doesn't matter the actions really, they vote against the person who has the stated opinion against theirs.  And for some it's guns....same thing.  And then illegal immigration.  I truly believe those are the 3 things that give trump his supporters.  He got some other votes for a perceived mastery of the economy during the 1st election.....and the economy is going well so he might get those again. 

Agree that people will vote on one or two issues and ignore the bad in the candidates.  I could almost accept it if they weren't so hypocritical with their morals and outrage when Dems are in power.

ikiT

Halifax2TheMax said:

Tiki said:

his supporters

Wrong size. Should be xs.

He lied to them about that too.

MayDay10

cincybearcat said:

stuckinline said:

cincybearcat said:

stuckinline said:

Cincy,

Is this legit? https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/
If so, it is absolutely disgusting. 

I didn't confirm them all, but yes at least some are 100% true.  He has said some seriously creepy things.

Gotcha. How in the hell can anyone support him?

You are asking me a question I cannot answer.  While not as a well-rounded piece of crap, people support Bill Clinton after he abused his power and had sexual relations with an intern (and a history of being very trumpish with women). 

People are willing to ignore a lot to get the 1 or 2 things they care most about.  And for some it's abortion.  And it doesn't matter the actions really, they vote against the person who has the stated opinion against theirs.  And for some it's guns....same thing.  And then illegal immigration.  I truly believe those are the 3 things that give trump his supporters.  He got some other votes for a perceived mastery of the economy during the 1st election.....and the economy is going well so he might get those again. 

So many people put on complete blinders to everything when it comes to a candidate who is most unfriendly to abortion/choice.

After that, you have a huge block of white people who think all their taxes are going straight to black people who live luxuriously and refuse to work.  The illegal immigration also extends this group into "mexicans" who are taking all our "jobs" and sucking all our programs dry.

Add in a little seasoning of fear that a D president will go door to door and strip everyone of their guns along with other rights.


I think the Republican Party was being forced into a position to re-imagine its platform to lay off the religious/xenophobia/paranoia coalition and try to appeal to younger people (fiscally conservative, socially progressive), but Trump tripled down on it and gave it life and steroids (IMO it is going to be limited and if its not we are doomed.  You cant ignore facts, science, reason, and international decorum for a long period of time before things really start to erode). 

Jason P

So Trump wanted to set Ivanka up with Tom Brady. Haha

Make New England Great Again!

LongestRoad

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

my2hands said:

LongestRoad said:

Unless your living in another country, he's your POTUS too. I don't applaud and cheer the negative. Some is accurate news, some is fake news. Trump has done some good for this country. You can't deny. I think he needs to tighten up on the epa issues a bit more. He needs to make changes to the immigration policy but not to the point that allows drugs and traffickers in with ease. I can see  good points made from both parties. There are also extremes with each that I don't agree with. 

Oh, I can deny, quite easily actually.... and NO, he's not my president, he can go fuck himself.... BUT, let me get on my soap box real quick about something.... 

"Drugs and traffickers in with ease"

Our country is being polluted with drugs by FORTUNE 500 companies, NOT Hispanic immigrants. The American opioid epidemic was brought to you by the major pharmaceutical companies, period. Big Pharma created a nation of addicts, and laughed all the way to the fucking bank. And now I have to listen to a clueless orange shit gibbon blame immigrants while maga morons cheer on not realizing who is really fucking them and their community

The real scumbags where suits, wake up america

We  can blame the Bush era for the rise of the opioid crisis. All the f'cking pain management clinics opening. Plenty of drugs are coming from the south. Portugal who has legalized to an extent drugs is now the gateway for traffickers into Europe. We don't want any drugs here. Don't twist my words and make it sound like i'm saying keep immigrants out. That's not at all what I'm saying. There are a lot of immigrants that have come to this country legally, had to endure hardship while waiting and are pissed that other immigrants think they can just jump the line and get in front and make it that much more time for someone who is following the rules to get in. Not to minimize their horrid conditions for why they want to leave their countries. If you think it's ok, let me know where you're standing in line forPearlJam Ten Club GA. I don't have a ten club ticket either but you can let me cut in line in front of you and I can tell the guards how it would be biased for them not to let me in just because I don't have a ticket. I mean I really need to get in. It's causing me great distress not to get to see Eddie. You think they'll let me in? Maybe I can jump the fence. Maybe... 

Equating fleeing a violent, war torn nation with cutting in line for GA at a PJ concert.

Well done. 

Perhaps you missed the line I wrote about not to minimize the horrid conditions that the immigrants are coming from. 

Complaining about not getting the rail because people cut the line when there's people in other countries suffering and trying to get in legally but people keep cutting the line after coming to amt to bitch that people should be able to cut the line.  Hypocrosy. 
Oh yeah and I forgot that they like to throw in the wording "first world problems" are you f'n kidding me?!? 

I didn’t miss that line at all. When you make a comparison that ridiculous and then say “not to minimize....”, its like when someone makes a really sexist or racist joke and then says “just kidding”. Doesn’t really remove the comment. 

Sometimes for people that have blinders on you have to make it as simple as possible for them to try to understand the issue. Sorry it wasn't something you can understand.

oftenreading

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

oftenreading said:

LongestRoad said:

my2hands said:

LongestRoad said:

Unless your living in another country, he's your POTUS too. I don't applaud and cheer the negative. Some is accurate news, some is fake news. Trump has done some good for this country. You can't deny. I think he needs to tighten up on the epa issues a bit more. He needs to make changes to the immigration policy but not to the point that allows drugs and traffickers in with ease. I can see  good points made from both parties. There are also extremes with each that I don't agree with. 

Oh, I can deny, quite easily actually.... and NO, he's not my president, he can go fuck himself.... BUT, let me get on my soap box real quick about something.... 

"Drugs and traffickers in with ease"

Our country is being polluted with drugs by FORTUNE 500 companies, NOT Hispanic immigrants. The American opioid epidemic was brought to you by the major pharmaceutical companies, period. Big Pharma created a nation of addicts, and laughed all the way to the fucking bank. And now I have to listen to a clueless orange shit gibbon blame immigrants while maga morons cheer on not realizing who is really fucking them and their community

The real scumbags where suits, wake up america

We  can blame the Bush era for the rise of the opioid crisis. All the f'cking pain management clinics opening. Plenty of drugs are coming from the south. Portugal who has legalized to an extent drugs is now the gateway for traffickers into Europe. We don't want any drugs here. Don't twist my words and make it sound like i'm saying keep immigrants out. That's not at all what I'm saying. There are a lot of immigrants that have come to this country legally, had to endure hardship while waiting and are pissed that other immigrants think they can just jump the line and get in front and make it that much more time for someone who is following the rules to get in. Not to minimize their horrid conditions for why they want to leave their countries. If you think it's ok, let me know where you're standing in line forPearlJam Ten Club GA. I don't have a ten club ticket either but you can let me cut in line in front of you and I can tell the guards how it would be biased for them not to let me in just because I don't have a ticket. I mean I really need to get in. It's causing me great distress not to get to see Eddie. You think they'll let me in? Maybe I can jump the fence. Maybe... 

Equating fleeing a violent, war torn nation with cutting in line for GA at a PJ concert.

Well done. 

Perhaps you missed the line I wrote about not to minimize the horrid conditions that the immigrants are coming from. 

Complaining about not getting the rail because people cut the line when there's people in other countries suffering and trying to get in legally but people keep cutting the line after coming to amt to bitch that people should be able to cut the line.  Hypocrosy. 
Oh yeah and I forgot that they like to throw in the wording "first world problems" are you f'n kidding me?!? 

I didn’t miss that line at all. When you make a comparison that ridiculous and then say “not to minimize....”, its like when someone makes a really sexist or racist joke and then says “just kidding”. Doesn’t really remove the comment. 

Sometimes for people that have blinders on you have to make it as simple as possible for them to try to understand the issue. Sorry it wasn't something you can understand.

As the point flies gently over your head....

No amount of backpeddling gets you out of that one.