I'm pretty sure most voters do not care what the 12 or so regular posters say on a rock bands web site. The PJ message board will not shift opinion or change the 2020 results...you may need to seek a bigger, more influential platform than here. But please continue to call out the American who voted for Trump on the message boards...maybe the message will be heard...not
Man I miss the days of having Pearl Jam stuff to talk about on this forum. Other than Trump and the Phillies, there's not much to talk about for me on here. And frankly, I mainly only talk Trump to pass time between writing reports at work.
It's been too long. They're not interested in touring anymore. The singles went the way of the dodo (after failing to fulfill their simple obligations for years). No new release any time soon.
I slowly clicked from analog to digital to cancel auto renewal. If there isn't an announcement or strong rumour prior to the end of April, I'll be moving along. I really enjoy the forum (there are some really great people here and there are some really great discussions), but I spend too much time on it (it tends to draw me in) and the band offers nothing to justify chucking them money.
I'm not bitter or angry- just exercising my choice as a consumer.
Man I miss the days of having Pearl Jam stuff to talk about on this forum. Other than Trump and the Phillies, there's not much to talk about for me on here. And frankly, I mainly only talk Trump to pass time between writing reports at work.
It's been too long. They're not interested in touring anymore. The singles went the way of the dodo (after failing to fulfill their simple obligations for years). No new release any time soon.
I slowly clicked from analog to digital to cancel auto renewal. If there isn't an announcement or strong rumour prior to the end of April, I'll be moving along. I really enjoy the forum (there are some really great people here and there are some really great discussions), but I spend too much time on it (it tends to draw me in) and the band offers nothing to justify chucking them money.
I'm not bitter or angry- just exercising my choice as a consumer.
I think many are in this same boat, thirty.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
I'm pretty sure most voters do not care what the 12 or so regular posters say on a rock bands web site. The PJ message board will not shift opinion or change the 2020 results...you may need to seek a bigger, more influential platform than here. But please continue to call out the American who voted for Trump on the message boards...maybe the message will be heard...not
Who ever believes it’s better to squash any investigations of wrong doing by this administration and the 1st family in particular you are the problem ! And I am involved in getting folks to make sure they go out and vote in 2020 I work in a multicultural environment so there’s plenty of resistance being built up ! Oh and if I’ve insulted anyone here with the Fat name calling I apologize I’ll refrain from it ...
Is Puerto Rico getting a car manufacturing plant? How about Idaho? Nevada becoming a auto parts distribution power house locale? Everywhere! Everywhere!
I'm pretty sure most voters do not care what the 12 or so regular posters say on a rock bands web site. The PJ message board will not shift opinion or change the 2020 results...you may need to seek a bigger, more influential platform than here. But please continue to call out the American who voted for Trump on the message boards...maybe the message will be heard...not
Who ever believes it’s better to squash any investigations of wrong doing by this administration and the 1st family in particular you are the problem ! And I am involved in getting folks to make sure they go out and vote in 2020 I work in a multicultural environment so there’s plenty of resistance being built up ! Oh and if I’ve insulted anyone here with the Fat name calling I apologize I’ll refrain from it ...
I think i am far from the problem... and i have no problem with investigations, if warranted... but i am concerned it could backfire and strengthen him in 2020, beating him in 2020 is the actual goal... if they find somethingto stick, that's fantastic
Some of you need to work on nuance... when peopke try to call things fairly and squarely, that doesnt mean they are pro Trump or "the problem"
What was that again about 4% GDP growth year over year for 10 years that would pay for the $1.5 trillion tax cut? What was that again? Suckers. And some on here will still vote for Team Trump Treason, regardless.
iOS is for some reason make it very hard for me to participate in this forum.
I will let Rand Paul handle things from now on. Some of you will watch this. Most will ignore it as "faux news". Just don't say you weren't warned of what's to come.
iOS is for some reason make it very hard for me to participate in this forum.
I will let Rand Paul handle things from now on. Some of you will watch this. Most will ignore it as "faux news". Just don't say you weren't warned of what's to come.
Grandstand Paul to distract from the real malfeasance. Jared Dear Boy was before the senate intel committee this morning. I thought it was all a hoax and everyone had been exonorated? You put your faith in a party and administration that has been proven time and time again to have lied, obstructed and run interference for Team Trump Treason. I’ll put my faith in an Administration that didn’t have one official member indicted despite a republican congress. Randy grandstand is gunning for am I awake’s job at HHS.
Might help the democrats in 2020 if the 50 investigations into Big Don were squashed, unless they come up with something really good and a smoking gun.... i just dont think people are going to care about tax issues and shady real estate dealings... maybe if the media and intelligence services didn't hype up collusion and the puppet myth, but after all the hype that is where the bar is currently at, anything short of pictures of him giving Putin a handjob might just strengthen him in 2020....
Investigate away, but you better come up with something good or it could backfire
That echo chamber talk. Newest approval rating show no sympathy bump for the King and nearly everyone wants Mueller’s report out. The majority want the corruption reigned in and any dem will incorporate this in their campaign. Only the minority are being duped.
It is amazing to me that some are so easily distracted by all that crap, lol. I'll give the GOP one thing: they sure know how to play their supporters!! It's uncanny. Only really TRUE scumbags are so good at that.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I look forward to next summer, particularly August and September when Nancy is holding the house in session to focus on impeachment hearings, subsequent votes and those poor repubs are whining about not getting home to their districts to campaign and the unfairness of it all. It is going to be an interesting 2020 campaign season to say the least. And the best part? Dems running against them will only need to run on "being against aiding and abetting" the deplorable mores and character of Team Trump Treason and his do nothing Administration. And forget his base. They're not changing their minds. Dems and Indies expect more from their POTUS. Way more.
Oh yeah, exonerated, lol. He's clean as a whistle.
How Donald Trump inflated his net worth to lenders and investors
When Donald Trump wanted to make a good impression — on a lender, a
business partner, or a journalist — he sometimes sent them
official-looking documents called “Statements of Financial Condition.”
These documents sometimes ran up to 20 pages. They were full of
numbers, laying out Trump’s properties, debts and multibillion-dollar
net worth.
But, for someone trying to get a true picture of Trump’s net worth,
the documents were deeply flawed. Some simply omitted properties that
carried big debts. Some assets were overvalued. And some key numbers
were wrong.
For instance, Trump’s financial statement for 2011 said he had 55 home
lots to sell at his golf course in Southern California. Those lots
would sell for $3 million or more, the statement said.
But Trump had only 31 lots zoned and ready for sale at the course,
according to city records. He claimed credit for 24 lots — and at least
$72 million in future revenue — he didn’t have.
He also claimed his Virginia vineyard had 2,000 acres, when it really has about 1,200. He said Trump Tower has 68 stories. It has 58.
Gives incorrect number of home lots in California
At that point, only 36 lots were actually approved for sale, and
by this point 5 had already been sold. That left 31 – not 55 –
available for sale. Since Trump was promising he could sell them for at
least $3 million each, there was a $72 million gap between his claims
and reality.
Adds 10 stories to Trump Tower
Trump Tower only has 58 stories, but Trump re-numbered the floors to make it seem taller.
Now, investigators on Capitol Hill and in New York are homing in on
these unusual documents in an apparent attempt to determine whether
Trump’s familiar habit of bragging about his wealth ever crossed a line
into fraud.
And earlier this month, the New York state Department of Financial
Services subpoenaed records from Trump’s longtime insurer, Aon. A person
familiar with that subpoena, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to
describe an ongoing investigation, said “a key component” was questions
about whether Trump had given Aon these documents in an effort to lower
his insurance premiums.
Both inquiries stemmed from testimony last month by Trump’s former
lawyer Michael Cohen, who told Congress that Trump had used these
statements to inflate his wealth — and then sent them to his lenders and
his insurers.
Michael Cohen, former personal attorney to President Trump,
testified before the House Oversight Committee on Feb. 27 and submitted
some of Trump’s financial statements as exhibits. (Matt McClain/The Washington Post)
“Mr. Trump is a cheat,” Cohen said, in describing what the statements showed........................
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
...............Cohen told Congress that statements were given to Deutsche Bank, as
Trump sought a loan to buy the NFL’s Buffalo Bills. Since then, Deutsche
Bank and another Trump lender have also received subpoenas, from the
New York State attorney general.
The statements may additionally draw the interest of the House
Financial Services Committee, which is scrutinizing Deutsche. A
committee spokesman declined to comment.
The White House declined to comment for this report.
The Trump Organization also declined to comment about the statements
or answer questions about specific errors the statements contained.
Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, the president’s sons who are running
his business, noted on social media that Cohen has provided false
testimony about other topics.
Mazars USA, the accounting firm, issued a brief statement Wednesday
after the House Oversight letter became public, saying that it “believes
strongly in the ethical and professional rules and regulations that
govern our industry, our work and our client interactions.” It declined
to comment further about Trump.
The Washington Post reviewed copies of these documents for 2002, 2004,
2011, 2012 and 2013 — obtaining them from court files, from people who
received them from Trump’s company, and from Cohen. Cohen also provided
copies of documents from 2011, 2012 and 2013 to Congress.
Since the 1980s, Trump has defined himself by his wealth, but he has
often avoided providing proof to back up his boasts or provided
documents that inflated the real values. As president, Trump has
declined to release his tax returns, unlike every president since Jimmy
Carter.
Trump is far from the first real estate developer to inflate his
projects or wealth. But there are laws against defrauding insurers and
lenders with false information. Financial and legal experts said it’s
unclear at this point whether Trump will face any legal consequences.
They said it depends on whether Trump intended to mislead or whether
the misstatements caused anyone to give him a financial benefit.
“How much would [the errors] impact an investor?” said Kyle Welch, an
assistant professor of accountancy at George Washington University. “If
it’s systematic and it’s across the board, and it’s all in one
direction, that’s where you have a problem.”
Welch said Trump could be protected by disclaimers that his own
accountants added to the statements, warning readers that they weren’t
seeing the full picture. And in an odd way, Welch said, Trump could be
helped by the sheer scale of the exaggerations. They were so far off
from reality, Welch wondered whether any real bank or insurer could have
been fooled.
Welch said he’d never seen a document stretch so far past the normal conventions of accounting.
“It’s humorous,” Welch said. “It’s a humorous financial statement.”
Investigators for the New York State Department of Financial Services,
which sent subpoenas to Aon, and the New York State attorney general —
who subpoenaed Deutsche Bank — declined to comment. Aon and Deutsche
Bank also declined to comment, beyond saying they plan to cooperate with
investigators.
The story of Trump’s “statements of financial condition” — in essence,
sales brochures for Trump the man, given out by Trump the company —
goes back to the early 1980s, according to past testimony from Trump’s
accountants and staffers.
In 2007, a Trump lawyer named Michelle Lokey said she had sent these
statements out to Trump’s lenders, for projects in Chicago and Las
Vegas, because Trump had personally guaranteed those loans. That meant
that if Trump’s company defaulted on its obligations, the lenders could
come after Trump’s personal assets.
Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago was one of the
two properties that were not included in some Trump financial
statements. Both buildings were carrying mortgages. (Joshua Lott for The Washington Post)
“Therefore they’d want information on his net worth?” an attorney asked Lokey.
“I assume,” she said.
The statements were prepared by Trump’s longtime accountants, a firm
now called Mazars. In other contexts — such as when one of Trump’s
companies was seeking to secure a federal contract — this firm prepared
rigorously audited financial statements.
This was a different sort of job.
When compiling these statements of financial condition, those
accountants have said they did not verify or audit the figures in the
statements. Instead, when Trump provided them data, they wrote it down
without checking to see whether it was accurate..........................
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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That's exactly what Trump supporters (and climate change deniers and anti-environmentalists and racists and anti social justice people, and the NRA, etc. etc.) would like- for us to just throw our hands up and do nothing.
When people tell me I'm wasting my time trying to voice an opinion or make a difference, it motivates me to try harder, not give in. To fuck with giving in, I say!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Comments
-EV 8/14/93
It's been too long. They're not interested in touring anymore. The singles went the way of the dodo (after failing to fulfill their simple obligations for years). No new release any time soon.
I slowly clicked from analog to digital to cancel auto renewal. If there isn't an announcement or strong rumour prior to the end of April, I'll be moving along. I really enjoy the forum (there are some really great people here and there are some really great discussions), but I spend too much time on it (it tends to draw me in) and the band offers nothing to justify chucking them money.
I'm not bitter or angry- just exercising my choice as a consumer.
-EV 8/14/93
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1111207578552406016
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/28/tech/trump-twitter-rules-label/index.html
-EV 8/14/93
Some of you need to work on nuance... when peopke try to call things fairly and squarely, that doesnt mean they are pro Trump or "the problem"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-gdp-growth-revised-down-to-2-2-rate-in-fourth-quarter-11553776293
I will let Rand Paul handle things from now on. Some of you will watch this. Most will ignore it as "faux news". Just don't say you weren't warned of what's to come.
How Donald Trump inflated his net worth to lenders and investors
When Donald Trump wanted to make a good impression — on a lender, a business partner, or a journalist — he sometimes sent them official-looking documents called “Statements of Financial Condition.”
These documents sometimes ran up to 20 pages. They were full of numbers, laying out Trump’s properties, debts and multibillion-dollar net worth.
But, for someone trying to get a true picture of Trump’s net worth, the documents were deeply flawed. Some simply omitted properties that carried big debts. Some assets were overvalued. And some key numbers were wrong.
Trump’s ‘statements of financial condition’
See the full documents here
For instance, Trump’s financial statement for 2011 said he had 55 home lots to sell at his golf course in Southern California. Those lots would sell for $3 million or more, the statement said.
But Trump had only 31 lots zoned and ready for sale at the course, according to city records. He claimed credit for 24 lots — and at least $72 million in future revenue — he didn’t have.
He also claimed his Virginia vineyard had 2,000 acres, when it really has about 1,200. He said Trump Tower has 68 stories. It has 58.
Gives incorrect number of home lots in California
At that point, only 36 lots were actually approved for sale, and by this point 5 had already been sold. That left 31 – not 55 – available for sale. Since Trump was promising he could sell them for at least $3 million each, there was a $72 million gap between his claims and reality.
Adds 10 stories to Trump Tower
Trump Tower only has 58 stories, but Trump re-numbered the floors to make it seem taller.
Now, investigators on Capitol Hill and in New York are homing in on these unusual documents in an apparent attempt to determine whether Trump’s familiar habit of bragging about his wealth ever crossed a line into fraud.
The statements are at the center of at least two of the inquiries that continue to follow Trump, unaffected by the end of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation. On Wednesday, the House Committee on Oversight and Reform said it had requested 10 years of these statements from Trump’s accounting firm, Mazars USA.
And earlier this month, the New York state Department of Financial Services subpoenaed records from Trump’s longtime insurer, Aon. A person familiar with that subpoena, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe an ongoing investigation, said “a key component” was questions about whether Trump had given Aon these documents in an effort to lower his insurance premiums.
Both inquiries stemmed from testimony last month by Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen, who told Congress that Trump had used these statements to inflate his wealth — and then sent them to his lenders and his insurers.
Michael Cohen, former personal attorney to President Trump, testified before the House Oversight Committee on Feb. 27 and submitted some of Trump’s financial statements as exhibits. (Matt McClain/The Washington Post)
“Mr. Trump is a cheat,” Cohen said, in describing what the statements showed........................
...............Cohen told Congress that statements were given to Deutsche Bank, as Trump sought a loan to buy the NFL’s Buffalo Bills. Since then, Deutsche Bank and another Trump lender have also received subpoenas, from the New York State attorney general.
The statements may additionally draw the interest of the House Financial Services Committee, which is scrutinizing Deutsche. A committee spokesman declined to comment.
The White House declined to comment for this report.
The Trump Organization also declined to comment about the statements or answer questions about specific errors the statements contained. Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, the president’s sons who are running his business, noted on social media that Cohen has provided false testimony about other topics.
Mazars USA, the accounting firm, issued a brief statement Wednesday after the House Oversight letter became public, saying that it “believes strongly in the ethical and professional rules and regulations that govern our industry, our work and our client interactions.” It declined to comment further about Trump.
The Washington Post reviewed copies of these documents for 2002, 2004, 2011, 2012 and 2013 — obtaining them from court files, from people who received them from Trump’s company, and from Cohen. Cohen also provided copies of documents from 2011, 2012 and 2013 to Congress.
Since the 1980s, Trump has defined himself by his wealth, but he has often avoided providing proof to back up his boasts or provided documents that inflated the real values. As president, Trump has declined to release his tax returns, unlike every president since Jimmy Carter.
Trump is far from the first real estate developer to inflate his projects or wealth. But there are laws against defrauding insurers and lenders with false information. Financial and legal experts said it’s unclear at this point whether Trump will face any legal consequences. They said it depends on whether Trump intended to mislead or whether the misstatements caused anyone to give him a financial benefit.
“How much would [the errors] impact an investor?” said Kyle Welch, an assistant professor of accountancy at George Washington University. “If it’s systematic and it’s across the board, and it’s all in one direction, that’s where you have a problem.”
Welch said Trump could be protected by disclaimers that his own accountants added to the statements, warning readers that they weren’t seeing the full picture. And in an odd way, Welch said, Trump could be helped by the sheer scale of the exaggerations. They were so far off from reality, Welch wondered whether any real bank or insurer could have been fooled.
Welch said he’d never seen a document stretch so far past the normal conventions of accounting.
“It’s humorous,” Welch said. “It’s a humorous financial statement.”
Investigators for the New York State Department of Financial Services, which sent subpoenas to Aon, and the New York State attorney general — who subpoenaed Deutsche Bank — declined to comment. Aon and Deutsche Bank also declined to comment, beyond saying they plan to cooperate with investigators.
The story of Trump’s “statements of financial condition” — in essence, sales brochures for Trump the man, given out by Trump the company — goes back to the early 1980s, according to past testimony from Trump’s accountants and staffers.
In 2007, a Trump lawyer named Michelle Lokey said she had sent these statements out to Trump’s lenders, for projects in Chicago and Las Vegas, because Trump had personally guaranteed those loans. That meant that if Trump’s company defaulted on its obligations, the lenders could come after Trump’s personal assets.
Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago was one of the two properties that were not included in some Trump financial statements. Both buildings were carrying mortgages. (Joshua Lott for The Washington Post)
“Therefore they’d want information on his net worth?” an attorney asked Lokey.
“I assume,” she said.
The statements were prepared by Trump’s longtime accountants, a firm now called Mazars. In other contexts — such as when one of Trump’s companies was seeking to secure a federal contract — this firm prepared rigorously audited financial statements.
This was a different sort of job.
When compiling these statements of financial condition, those accountants have said they did not verify or audit the figures in the statements. Instead, when Trump provided them data, they wrote it down without checking to see whether it was accurate..........................
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"