***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

Smellyman

2018

Although there is nothing 'cool' about Trump.  jackass perhaps

josevolution

2018

https://apple.news/Azgnuxs5CQ2uGuYqPs8c-sg
yep folks this is something that will surely happen if he loses by small margins!

Meltdown99

josevolution said:

https://apple.news/Azgnuxs5CQ2uGuYqPs8c-sg
yep folks this is something that will surely happen if he loses by small margins!

She’s an idiot...he is is walking out the Whitehouse for the last time on January 20.2025.

josevolution

2018

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

https://apple.news/Azgnuxs5CQ2uGuYqPs8c-sg
yep folks this is something that will surely happen if he loses by small margins!

She’s an idiot...he is is walking out the Whitehouse for the last time on January 20.2025.

lol yeah ok ..

benjs

Not sure if anyone here listens to or watches Pod Save America, but they were discussing what both of them agreed is Pelosi's special sauce - which they described (and I'm paraphrasing) as an ability to have her adversaries come to agree with her, by letting them feel these positions were formed on their own (where Pelosi more 'steers' the conversation so that people reach those findings themselves rather than outright telling them what their positions ought to be). I found that an interesting analysis, and it really would explain why she isn't weighing in too heavily on impeachment vs. not, but rather more saying "let's be prepared for and concerned about attacks on future democracy by Donald Trump", hoping that will plant a 'danger' seed in enough minds to have them aware of an implicit obligation to act.

Since Pelosi's also a politician, it's a reasonable assumption that she knows a good idea without enough planning considerations will likely die in this political system, so she needs the troops all unified were she to move forward.

CM189191

CM189191 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

CM189191 said:

Clinton was impeached and acquited

Then GOP retained the Senate, retained the house, and proceeded to win the next presidential election.

People are over estimating the political risk of impeachment.  I think it has more of an upside.  

I don't think Clinton's impeachment/acquittal had much (if any) influence on the 2000 election. Bush won by like only 500 votes in Florida. And I think he won mostly due to "there's been a guy from THIS party for 8 years, now let's try a guy from THAT party." Gore being a boring stiff didn't help matters either.

So concerning Trump, what do you feel is the upside of an impeachment that won't get a conviction?

CM189191 said:

Country over party. 

Your idealism is adorable. It shows that you have a heart and that you want what's best for this country. That's nice. You know who don't have hearts? Senators from the Notorious GOP. They are not going to vote to convict Trump in an impeachment trial. I think as it stands now, about 20 GOP senators would have to vote to convict Trump. No way that happens. 

Impeachment isn't about removing trump from office. That's going to happen anyway.  It's just a bonus if it happens before the election. 

It's about the political theatre.  Let the GOP continue to make asses of themselves by defending trump. He won't do the same for them.  He's an albatross around their necks.

https://twitter.com/gregolear/status/1125008734344888320?s=19

njnancy

2019

benjs said:

Not sure if anyone here listens to or watches Pod Save America, but they were discussing what both of them agreed is Pelosi's special sauce - which they described (and I'm paraphrasing) as an ability to have her adversaries come to agree with her, by letting them feel these positions were formed on their own (where Pelosi more 'steers' the conversation so that people reach those findings themselves rather than outright telling them what their positions ought to be). I found that an interesting analysis, and it really would explain why she isn't weighing in too heavily on impeachment vs. not, but rather more saying "let's be prepared for and concerned about attacks on future democracy by Donald Trump", hoping that will plant a 'danger' seed in enough minds to have them aware of an implicit obligation to act.

Since Pelosi's also a politician, it's a reasonable assumption that she knows a good idea without enough planning considerations will likely die in this political system, so she needs the troops all unified were she to move forward.

I love Pod Save America. I found it a couple months ago and binged on a couple episodes but I'm not current. I love the take that those guys have on Trump and the political environment. I'm a big fan of Obama and a lot of those who worked for him, so I'm obviously drawn to it. But they make for a very interesting, and humorous, insider's look at the craziness of Washington. 

That Pelosi analysis is spot on. She is savvy, it runs in the family. She grew up the daughter of a politician so she's been studying the way to maneuver through political situations for a long time. When she came out with that statement, I thought this was her slow walk to impeachment. She knows that people need to adjust in phases sometimes. Both politicians and citizens. 

njnancy

2019

Smellyman said:

Although there is nothing 'cool' about Trump.  jackass perhaps

No. Absolutely void of cool.

Unless you're a racist, then he's the man. 

josevolution

2018

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1125124284786053129?s=21
Uhm he proclaims he’s thee most transparent president in the history of this country weird he doesn’t want anyone testifying his innocence ☝️

The Juggler

2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

njnancy said:

josevolution said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeu72fWuYk

Say what you will about Hillary, at least she can speak in complete sentences, has a firm grasp of law and policy and can speak of and to it intelligently and possesses intellectual curiosity as well as a sense of humor.

Yes she does , “China if your watching please release Donald Trumps taxes “ that’s the only time I’ll address him by his name to me he will always be an Orange Baffoon! 

I have always felt that, if she were a man and possessed the same qualities, she would have won in 2016 hands down. 

I vehemently disagree with this. I think her being a woman was one of the best things she had going for her. Made her different and unique to a degree. If you take away that, then she's just another Mitt Romney; someone with experience and a good resume...who is boring, robotic, and unlikeable. 

In my time of following Presidential elections, the "cooler" person has won every single time, experience and policy be damned:

1992: Clinton cooler than Bush Sr.
1996: Clinton cooler than Dole.
2000: Bush Jr. cooler than Gore
2004: Bush Jr. cooler than Kerry
2008: Obama cooler than McCain
2012: Obama cooler than Romney
2016: Trump cooler than Clinton

Right? McCain was a war hero and decades-long senator. That used to be what it took to be the president. But Obama was cooler. He plays basketball and hangs with Jay Z. Who cares if he was a one-term senator? Same with Trump. No experience, totally evil. But to some, his antics were entertaining enough to like him. And for some reason, people are passionate about voting for Trump. Concerning Hillary, I think a lot of her voters held the same view I did: "Well I guess I have to vote for her." Hardly someone many people were passionate about. 

In the end, Hillary, unlike her husband, just isn't a good politician. And remember there's a difference between "politician" and "civil servant." To politic is simply to persuade people, and in an election, it's to persuade people to like you. That's not in her wheelhouse. As a civil servant, she was fine as a senator and secretary of state. But a lot of times that doesn't win elections. That's why Trump, despite everything that's wrong with him, was successful. He's been selling himself for decades. 

excellent point. so sloppy joe doesn't stand a chance then. 

Joe's much cooler than Trump...

josevolution

2018

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1125256401603956737?s=21
Forget sleepy Joe , no one will have a chance if he gets his way I’m sure the plan is in motion with Russia’s help ..

HughFreakingDillon

2018

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

njnancy said:

josevolution said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeu72fWuYk

Say what you will about Hillary, at least she can speak in complete sentences, has a firm grasp of law and policy and can speak of and to it intelligently and possesses intellectual curiosity as well as a sense of humor.

Yes she does , “China if your watching please release Donald Trumps taxes “ that’s the only time I’ll address him by his name to me he will always be an Orange Baffoon! 

I have always felt that, if she were a man and possessed the same qualities, she would have won in 2016 hands down. 

I vehemently disagree with this. I think her being a woman was one of the best things she had going for her. Made her different and unique to a degree. If you take away that, then she's just another Mitt Romney; someone with experience and a good resume...who is boring, robotic, and unlikeable. 

In my time of following Presidential elections, the "cooler" person has won every single time, experience and policy be damned:

1992: Clinton cooler than Bush Sr.
1996: Clinton cooler than Dole.
2000: Bush Jr. cooler than Gore
2004: Bush Jr. cooler than Kerry
2008: Obama cooler than McCain
2012: Obama cooler than Romney
2016: Trump cooler than Clinton

Right? McCain was a war hero and decades-long senator. That used to be what it took to be the president. But Obama was cooler. He plays basketball and hangs with Jay Z. Who cares if he was a one-term senator? Same with Trump. No experience, totally evil. But to some, his antics were entertaining enough to like him. And for some reason, people are passionate about voting for Trump. Concerning Hillary, I think a lot of her voters held the same view I did: "Well I guess I have to vote for her." Hardly someone many people were passionate about. 

In the end, Hillary, unlike her husband, just isn't a good politician. And remember there's a difference between "politician" and "civil servant." To politic is simply to persuade people, and in an election, it's to persuade people to like you. That's not in her wheelhouse. As a civil servant, she was fine as a senator and secretary of state. But a lot of times that doesn't win elections. That's why Trump, despite everything that's wrong with him, was successful. He's been selling himself for decades. 

excellent point. so sloppy joe doesn't stand a chance then. 

Joe's much cooler than Trump...

depends on the definition of cool. in this context, I would say Trump is entertaining at the very least, while joe puts me to sleep. 

OnWis97

"THE FIELD"

josevolution said:

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1125256401603956737?s=21
Forget sleepy Joe , no one will have a chance if he gets his way I’m sure the plan is in motion with Russia’s help ..

When it is time for Trump to go (probably 2025, but either way), this might be tested.  Legally, he can’t make it happen but it’ll be interesting to see how many Americans back the idea.  I’m guessing about a third.

josevolution

2018

OnWis97 said:

josevolution said:

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1125256401603956737?s=21
Forget sleepy Joe , no one will have a chance if he gets his way I’m sure the plan is in motion with Russia’s help ..

When it is time for Trump to go (probably 2025, but either way), this might be tested.  Legally, he can’t make it happen but it’ll be interesting to see how many Americans back the idea.  I’m guessing about a third.

You think this country will be ok with this president refusing to stepped down if he looses or if he wants to tack another two years to this term? Without bloodshed in our streets? Not me this will not end well at all ..

my2hands

2017

you guys are losing it lol

Meltdown99

He is going willingly.  But in the unlikely scenario that he does not go, I suspect there will be no shortage of police or military personnel that would gladly volunteer and uphold the constitution and haul his orange ass out of the WH kicking and screaming...

Some of you Americans might have the weed that causes paranoia... 

PJ_Soul

2018

njnancy said:

josevolution said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeu72fWuYk

Say what you will about Hillary, at least she can speak in complete sentences, has a firm grasp of law and policy and can speak of and to it intelligently and possesses intellectual curiosity as well as a sense of humor.

Yes she does , “China if your watching please release Donald Trumps taxes “ that’s the only time I’ll address him by his name to me he will always be an Orange Baffoon! 

I have always felt that, if she were a man and possessed the same qualities, she would have won in 2016 hands down. 

Ask someone why they don't like her and there is never a real answer like she supported caging children at the border or she was cheating on her husband flagrantly. It's always an answer like she's so corrupt, she's in wall street's pocket, she's such a bitch, she has no personality, she's shrill. I think that says a lot about how we view males and females in possessions of power. 

I 100% agree with you on this. 

OnWis97

"THE FIELD"

my2hands said:

you guys are losing it lol

Do you think there's no chance that we're on the road to authoritarianism?  

Hey hopefully after Trump's second term, we elect some normal person and you can say how you told me so...but I think this shit is getting real.

The Juggler

2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

njnancy said:

josevolution said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeu72fWuYk

Say what you will about Hillary, at least she can speak in complete sentences, has a firm grasp of law and policy and can speak of and to it intelligently and possesses intellectual curiosity as well as a sense of humor.

Yes she does , “China if your watching please release Donald Trumps taxes “ that’s the only time I’ll address him by his name to me he will always be an Orange Baffoon! 

I have always felt that, if she were a man and possessed the same qualities, she would have won in 2016 hands down. 

I vehemently disagree with this. I think her being a woman was one of the best things she had going for her. Made her different and unique to a degree. If you take away that, then she's just another Mitt Romney; someone with experience and a good resume...who is boring, robotic, and unlikeable. 

In my time of following Presidential elections, the "cooler" person has won every single time, experience and policy be damned:

1992: Clinton cooler than Bush Sr.
1996: Clinton cooler than Dole.
2000: Bush Jr. cooler than Gore
2004: Bush Jr. cooler than Kerry
2008: Obama cooler than McCain
2012: Obama cooler than Romney
2016: Trump cooler than Clinton

Right? McCain was a war hero and decades-long senator. That used to be what it took to be the president. But Obama was cooler. He plays basketball and hangs with Jay Z. Who cares if he was a one-term senator? Same with Trump. No experience, totally evil. But to some, his antics were entertaining enough to like him. And for some reason, people are passionate about voting for Trump. Concerning Hillary, I think a lot of her voters held the same view I did: "Well I guess I have to vote for her." Hardly someone many people were passionate about. 

In the end, Hillary, unlike her husband, just isn't a good politician. And remember there's a difference between "politician" and "civil servant." To politic is simply to persuade people, and in an election, it's to persuade people to like you. That's not in her wheelhouse. As a civil servant, she was fine as a senator and secretary of state. But a lot of times that doesn't win elections. That's why Trump, despite everything that's wrong with him, was successful. He's been selling himself for decades. 

excellent point. so sloppy joe doesn't stand a chance then. 

Joe's much cooler than Trump...

depends on the definition of cool. in this context, I would say Trump is entertaining at the very least, while joe puts me to sleep. 

He puts you  to sleep? Are you saying that because of Trump's dumb name or you really find him boring?

I've always found Biden to be a cool, calm and collected politician who's pretty funny and also not afraid to go toe to toe with a guy like Trump. SNL impersonations are always pretty spot on with these things and Sudiekis' Biden was nowhere near "sleepy." Kind of opposite, actually. 

I find "Sleepy Joe" to be pretty weak and inaccurate compared to "Corrupt Hillary" which, unfortunately was relatively accurate (though, obviously pales in comparison to Trump's own corruptness). 

josevolution

2018

Meltdown99 said:

He is going willingly.  But in the unlikely scenario that he does not go, I suspect there will be no shortage of police or military personnel that would gladly volunteer and uphold the constitution and haul his orange ass out of the WH kicking and screaming...

Some of you Americans might have the weed that causes paranoia... 

I grow my own not paranoia at all it’s very soothing great to just relax , I’ll be the 1st to admit my mistakes if this goes the way you think it will I wonder if you would come here and do the same if my scenario plays out ?