***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
    Sam Patten sentenced to three years of probation, 500 hours of community service and fines, no jail time, for his "substantial cooperation" in ongoing investigations, currently under seal. Sam funneled money from Ukraine oligarchs to the Team Trump Treason campaign, was dirtied by Paulie Manaforte, had ties to Konstantin Kilimnik and Cambridge Analytica. "Fully exonerated" my ass. Friday dot connecting is probably the most interesting dot connecting day.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,474
    2018
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I actually think if we can avoid the usual traps of insults, etc., this is an interesting topic.

    TRUMP: Just another republican or greater threat?'

    Just another republican
    • Appointing conservative judges? Nothing new.
    • Polarizing?  Who wasn't?
    • Doesn't care about the environment.  Neither did W.
    • Serves the rich.  Well, that was the entire basis of St. Ronald's presidency.
    • War profiteering is as American as apple pie...hell, I myself think W became president in large part to make money for some rich folks.
    • You can shoot holes through any administration's record on being non-authoritarian.  For example, poor people, particularly minorities, have always spent undue time in jail while awaiting trial.
    • Etc.

    Greater threat
    • Conservative Judges?  Yeah...but also Trump/party loyalists more than we've ever seen?
    • The devotion to him is like nothing we've ever seen.  Is there a critical mass to enable whatever he might have on his mind regarding authoritarianism?
    • A party that seems intent to protect him simply to own the libs.
    • Constantly has key vacancies on his staff; maybe he's trying to show that the First Family can do it themselves?
    • Constant attempts to discredit the media as "the Enemy of the People."  This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.  And I don't think we've seen this from other US Presidents. 
    • Seems to have a great admiration for despots and dictators.  I have not seen this out of any others.
    • Openly hostile  or indifferent to places that have had natural disasters, etc. if they did not provide him electoral votes (e.g., Puerto Rico and California).  For all the bad of any president in my memory, they all were the president of the ENTIRE country, not just states that voted for them.
    • I'm not sure what's going on but, he sure seems to treat Putin somewhat like a supervisor.  
    • Etc.
    The fact is, M2H made some good points. Patriot Act.  Gitmo. There's some un-American shit going on and has been for some time.  That said, I think the threat of things being stepped way, way up is legitimate.  I'm talking a future president Trump installed rather than elected; political opponents jailed; SNL being ordered off the air.  This is what he wants.  The party seems OK with it and at least a third of the population will follow him there.  If he wins in 2020, all bets are off.  That's my opinion.
    Totally agree , I’m of the thought his plan is to be president for more than just two terms and beyond..
    How are you going to repeal the 22nd amendment?  This country doesn't agree on anything, I don't see how 2/3 of Congress would agree on this.  
    The Congress would not be able to stop it if he decides to follow the Russians playbook? 
    It’s called a takeover of the country and Putin knows exactly how to get it done ..
    Sorry Jose, this is just paranoia
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
    Its now being reported that Team Trump Treason offered a pardon to an Administration official, CBP Director, if he went to jail for violating immigration law. You have the POTUS reportedly encouraging violation of law and offering a quid pro quo. What is it going to take for Congress to investigate or prepare impeachment hearings and more importantly, for repub senators to grow a spine? Both sides are the same.
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,866
    It smells like high crime and misdemeanor to me.  Of course, he'll claim he was joking. 

    Falling down,...not staying down
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,474
    2018
    Kat said:
    It smells like high crime and misdemeanor to me.  Of course, he'll claim he was joking. 

    Nah he will just deny he ever said it ..
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    edited April 2019

    Anyone who thinks Trump is just another republican is out of their god damned mind. 
    And a fair amount of real republicans think he is. It's unbelievable. When democrats were protesting Trump's election, a lot of republicans were like "Hey, we just eight years of your guy and we didn't cry about it. Now it's our guy."  As if he's like George Bush or something. Just another republican. It's crazy. 

    Trump's only a republican because going through that primary was his only route to being President. If Roger Stone told him his only chance to be president was as a democrat, he'd have a campaign staff full of transgender people, Corey Booker as his running mate, and he'd suggest the southern border should be come and go as you please.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    2017
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I actually think if we can avoid the usual traps of insults, etc., this is an interesting topic.

    TRUMP: Just another republican or greater threat?'

    Just another republican
    • Appointing conservative judges? Nothing new.
    • Polarizing?  Who wasn't?
    • Doesn't care about the environment.  Neither did W.
    • Serves the rich.  Well, that was the entire basis of St. Ronald's presidency.
    • War profiteering is as American as apple pie...hell, I myself think W became president in large part to make money for some rich folks.
    • You can shoot holes through any administration's record on being non-authoritarian.  For example, poor people, particularly minorities, have always spent undue time in jail while awaiting trial.
    • Etc.

    Greater threat
    • Conservative Judges?  Yeah...but also Trump/party loyalists more than we've ever seen?
    • The devotion to him is like nothing we've ever seen.  Is there a critical mass to enable whatever he might have on his mind regarding authoritarianism?
    • A party that seems intent to protect him simply to own the libs.
    • Constantly has key vacancies on his staff; maybe he's trying to show that the First Family can do it themselves?
    • Constant attempts to discredit the media as "the Enemy of the People."  This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.  And I don't think we've seen this from other US Presidents. 
    • Seems to have a great admiration for despots and dictators.  I have not seen this out of any others.
    • Openly hostile  or indifferent to places that have had natural disasters, etc. if they did not provide him electoral votes (e.g., Puerto Rico and California).  For all the bad of any president in my memory, they all were the president of the ENTIRE country, not just states that voted for them.
    • I'm not sure what's going on but, he sure seems to treat Putin somewhat like a supervisor.  
    • Etc.
    The fact is, M2H made some good points. Patriot Act.  Gitmo. There's some un-American shit going on and has been for some time.  That said, I think the threat of things being stepped way, way up is legitimate.  I'm talking a future president Trump installed rather than elected; political opponents jailed; SNL being ordered off the air.  This is what he wants.  The party seems OK with it and at least a third of the population will follow him there.  If he wins in 2020, all bets are off.  That's my opinion.
    Totally agree , I’m of the thought his plan is to be president for more than just two terms and beyond..
    How are you going to repeal the 22nd amendment?  This country doesn't agree on anything, I don't see how 2/3 of Congress would agree on this.  
    The Congress would not be able to stop it if he decides to follow the Russians playbook? 
    It’s called a takeover of the country and Putin knows exactly how to get it done ..
    Sorry Jose, this is just paranoia
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion..
    Absolutely brother, i respect your opinion even if i may not agree with it

    Trump blows, but we aren't looking at a POTUS for life.... shit, i was told if the dems won the midterm he wouldn't even get 4 years *whoops*
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I actually think if we can avoid the usual traps of insults, etc., this is an interesting topic.

    TRUMP: Just another republican or greater threat?'

    Just another republican
    • Appointing conservative judges? Nothing new.
    • Polarizing?  Who wasn't?
    • Doesn't care about the environment.  Neither did W.
    • Serves the rich.  Well, that was the entire basis of St. Ronald's presidency.
    • War profiteering is as American as apple pie...hell, I myself think W became president in large part to make money for some rich folks.
    • You can shoot holes through any administration's record on being non-authoritarian.  For example, poor people, particularly minorities, have always spent undue time in jail while awaiting trial.
    • Etc.

    Greater threat
    • Conservative Judges?  Yeah...but also Trump/party loyalists more than we've ever seen?
    • The devotion to him is like nothing we've ever seen.  Is there a critical mass to enable whatever he might have on his mind regarding authoritarianism?
    • A party that seems intent to protect him simply to own the libs.
    • Constantly has key vacancies on his staff; maybe he's trying to show that the First Family can do it themselves?
    • Constant attempts to discredit the media as "the Enemy of the People."  This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.  And I don't think we've seen this from other US Presidents. 
    • Seems to have a great admiration for despots and dictators.  I have not seen this out of any others.
    • Openly hostile  or indifferent to places that have had natural disasters, etc. if they did not provide him electoral votes (e.g., Puerto Rico and California).  For all the bad of any president in my memory, they all were the president of the ENTIRE country, not just states that voted for them.
    • I'm not sure what's going on but, he sure seems to treat Putin somewhat like a supervisor.  
    • Etc.
    The fact is, M2H made some good points. Patriot Act.  Gitmo. There's some un-American shit going on and has been for some time.  That said, I think the threat of things being stepped way, way up is legitimate.  I'm talking a future president Trump installed rather than elected; political opponents jailed; SNL being ordered off the air.  This is what he wants.  The party seems OK with it and at least a third of the population will follow him there.  If he wins in 2020, all bets are off.  That's my opinion.
    Totally agree , I’m of the thought his plan is to be president for more than just two terms and beyond..
    How are you going to repeal the 22nd amendment?  This country doesn't agree on anything, I don't see how 2/3 of Congress would agree on this.  
    The Congress would not be able to stop it if he decides to follow the Russians playbook? 
    It’s called a takeover of the country and Putin knows exactly how to get it done ..
    Sorry Jose, this is just paranoia
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion..
    Absolutely brother, i respect your opinion even if i may not agree with it

    Trump blows, but we aren't looking at a POTUS for life.... shit, i was told if the dems won the midterm he wouldn't even get 4 years *whoops*
    2017

    Whoops!!
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
    Roger Dodger Stoned still under investigation in other ongoing investigations being handled by other DAs after being handed off by Team Mueller. “Fully exonerated.” My ass.

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,888
    edited April 2019
    2019

    Anyone who thinks Trump is just another republican is out of their god damned mind. 
    And a fair amount of real republicans think he is. It's unbelievable. When democrats were protesting Trump's election, a lot of republicans were like "Hey, we just eight years of your guy and we didn't cry about it. Now it's our guy."  As if he's like George Bush or something. Just another republican. It's crazy. 

    Trump's only a republican because going through that primary was his only route to being President. If Roger Stone told him his only chance to be president was as a democrat, he'd have a campaign staff full of transgender people, Corey Booker as his running mate, and he'd suggest the southern border should be come and go as you please.
    Yeah. I mean he was a pro choice, pro gun controll, pro globalism (all of the garbage he sold was made in other countries), Hillary donating New York liberal until it became politically convenient to become a republican. 

    He is a fraud in every sense of the word. 
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    2017
    dignin said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I actually think if we can avoid the usual traps of insults, etc., this is an interesting topic.

    TRUMP: Just another republican or greater threat?'

    Just another republican
    • Appointing conservative judges? Nothing new.
    • Polarizing?  Who wasn't?
    • Doesn't care about the environment.  Neither did W.
    • Serves the rich.  Well, that was the entire basis of St. Ronald's presidency.
    • War profiteering is as American as apple pie...hell, I myself think W became president in large part to make money for some rich folks.
    • You can shoot holes through any administration's record on being non-authoritarian.  For example, poor people, particularly minorities, have always spent undue time in jail while awaiting trial.
    • Etc.

    Greater threat
    • Conservative Judges?  Yeah...but also Trump/party loyalists more than we've ever seen?
    • The devotion to him is like nothing we've ever seen.  Is there a critical mass to enable whatever he might have on his mind regarding authoritarianism?
    • A party that seems intent to protect him simply to own the libs.
    • Constantly has key vacancies on his staff; maybe he's trying to show that the First Family can do it themselves?
    • Constant attempts to discredit the media as "the Enemy of the People."  This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.  And I don't think we've seen this from other US Presidents. 
    • Seems to have a great admiration for despots and dictators.  I have not seen this out of any others.
    • Openly hostile  or indifferent to places that have had natural disasters, etc. if they did not provide him electoral votes (e.g., Puerto Rico and California).  For all the bad of any president in my memory, they all were the president of the ENTIRE country, not just states that voted for them.
    • I'm not sure what's going on but, he sure seems to treat Putin somewhat like a supervisor.  
    • Etc.
    The fact is, M2H made some good points. Patriot Act.  Gitmo. There's some un-American shit going on and has been for some time.  That said, I think the threat of things being stepped way, way up is legitimate.  I'm talking a future president Trump installed rather than elected; political opponents jailed; SNL being ordered off the air.  This is what he wants.  The party seems OK with it and at least a third of the population will follow him there.  If he wins in 2020, all bets are off.  That's my opinion.
    Totally agree , I’m of the thought his plan is to be president for more than just two terms and beyond..
    How are you going to repeal the 22nd amendment?  This country doesn't agree on anything, I don't see how 2/3 of Congress would agree on this.  
    The Congress would not be able to stop it if he decides to follow the Russians playbook? 
    It’s called a takeover of the country and Putin knows exactly how to get it done ..
    Sorry Jose, this is just paranoia
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion..
    Absolutely brother, i respect your opinion even if i may not agree with it

    Trump blows, but we aren't looking at a POTUS for life.... shit, i was told if the dems won the midterm he wouldn't even get 4 years *whoops*
    2017

    Whoops!!
    I was caught up in the hype and clicked a poll on a rock bands message board.... oh no, the horror.... at least i wasnt so scared of being wrong i didn't vote lol
  • my2hands said:
    dignin said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I actually think if we can avoid the usual traps of insults, etc., this is an interesting topic.

    TRUMP: Just another republican or greater threat?'

    Just another republican
    • Appointing conservative judges? Nothing new.
    • Polarizing?  Who wasn't?
    • Doesn't care about the environment.  Neither did W.
    • Serves the rich.  Well, that was the entire basis of St. Ronald's presidency.
    • War profiteering is as American as apple pie...hell, I myself think W became president in large part to make money for some rich folks.
    • You can shoot holes through any administration's record on being non-authoritarian.  For example, poor people, particularly minorities, have always spent undue time in jail while awaiting trial.
    • Etc.

    Greater threat
    • Conservative Judges?  Yeah...but also Trump/party loyalists more than we've ever seen?
    • The devotion to him is like nothing we've ever seen.  Is there a critical mass to enable whatever he might have on his mind regarding authoritarianism?
    • A party that seems intent to protect him simply to own the libs.
    • Constantly has key vacancies on his staff; maybe he's trying to show that the First Family can do it themselves?
    • Constant attempts to discredit the media as "the Enemy of the People."  This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.  And I don't think we've seen this from other US Presidents. 
    • Seems to have a great admiration for despots and dictators.  I have not seen this out of any others.
    • Openly hostile  or indifferent to places that have had natural disasters, etc. if they did not provide him electoral votes (e.g., Puerto Rico and California).  For all the bad of any president in my memory, they all were the president of the ENTIRE country, not just states that voted for them.
    • I'm not sure what's going on but, he sure seems to treat Putin somewhat like a supervisor.  
    • Etc.
    The fact is, M2H made some good points. Patriot Act.  Gitmo. There's some un-American shit going on and has been for some time.  That said, I think the threat of things being stepped way, way up is legitimate.  I'm talking a future president Trump installed rather than elected; political opponents jailed; SNL being ordered off the air.  This is what he wants.  The party seems OK with it and at least a third of the population will follow him there.  If he wins in 2020, all bets are off.  That's my opinion.
    Totally agree , I’m of the thought his plan is to be president for more than just two terms and beyond..
    How are you going to repeal the 22nd amendment?  This country doesn't agree on anything, I don't see how 2/3 of Congress would agree on this.  
    The Congress would not be able to stop it if he decides to follow the Russians playbook? 
    It’s called a takeover of the country and Putin knows exactly how to get it done ..
    Sorry Jose, this is just paranoia
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion..
    Absolutely brother, i respect your opinion even if i may not agree with it

    Trump blows, but we aren't looking at a POTUS for life.... shit, i was told if the dems won the midterm he wouldn't even get 4 years *whoops*
    2017

    Whoops!!
    I was caught up in the hype and clicked a poll on a rock bands message board.... oh no, the horror.... at least i wasnt so scared of being wrong i didn't vote lol

    Some, like me, never voted because it's not going to happen. The checks and balances in your democracy have failed.

    Your country has managed to not only elect, but also embrace a racist, lying, cheating prick as its president. You guys should be so proud!

    Oh... did I mention he's a bona fide moron? And really fat and homely with a camel chin? Go rake your forests, eat your hamberders, and watch the Mexicans slide down the anticlimb fences now lol.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,474
    2018
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I actually think if we can avoid the usual traps of insults, etc., this is an interesting topic.

    TRUMP: Just another republican or greater threat?'

    Just another republican
    • Appointing conservative judges? Nothing new.
    • Polarizing?  Who wasn't?
    • Doesn't care about the environment.  Neither did W.
    • Serves the rich.  Well, that was the entire basis of St. Ronald's presidency.
    • War profiteering is as American as apple pie...hell, I myself think W became president in large part to make money for some rich folks.
    • You can shoot holes through any administration's record on being non-authoritarian.  For example, poor people, particularly minorities, have always spent undue time in jail while awaiting trial.
    • Etc.

    Greater threat
    • Conservative Judges?  Yeah...but also Trump/party loyalists more than we've ever seen?
    • The devotion to him is like nothing we've ever seen.  Is there a critical mass to enable whatever he might have on his mind regarding authoritarianism?
    • A party that seems intent to protect him simply to own the libs.
    • Constantly has key vacancies on his staff; maybe he's trying to show that the First Family can do it themselves?
    • Constant attempts to discredit the media as "the Enemy of the People."  This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.  And I don't think we've seen this from other US Presidents. 
    • Seems to have a great admiration for despots and dictators.  I have not seen this out of any others.
    • Openly hostile  or indifferent to places that have had natural disasters, etc. if they did not provide him electoral votes (e.g., Puerto Rico and California).  For all the bad of any president in my memory, they all were the president of the ENTIRE country, not just states that voted for them.
    • I'm not sure what's going on but, he sure seems to treat Putin somewhat like a supervisor.  
    • Etc.
    The fact is, M2H made some good points. Patriot Act.  Gitmo. There's some un-American shit going on and has been for some time.  That said, I think the threat of things being stepped way, way up is legitimate.  I'm talking a future president Trump installed rather than elected; political opponents jailed; SNL being ordered off the air.  This is what he wants.  The party seems OK with it and at least a third of the population will follow him there.  If he wins in 2020, all bets are off.  That's my opinion.
    Totally agree , I’m of the thought his plan is to be president for more than just two terms and beyond..
    How are you going to repeal the 22nd amendment?  This country doesn't agree on anything, I don't see how 2/3 of Congress would agree on this.  
    The Congress would not be able to stop it if he decides to follow the Russians playbook? 
    It’s called a takeover of the country and Putin knows exactly how to get it done ..
    Sorry Jose, this is just paranoia
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion..
    Absolutely brother, i respect your opinion even if i may not agree with it

    Trump blows, but we aren't looking at a POTUS for life.... shit, i was told if the dems won the midterm he wouldn't even get 4 years *whoops*
    As I do yours 👍
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    my2hands said:
    dignin said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I actually think if we can avoid the usual traps of insults, etc., this is an interesting topic.

    TRUMP: Just another republican or greater threat?'

    Just another republican
    • Appointing conservative judges? Nothing new.
    • Polarizing?  Who wasn't?
    • Doesn't care about the environment.  Neither did W.
    • Serves the rich.  Well, that was the entire basis of St. Ronald's presidency.
    • War profiteering is as American as apple pie...hell, I myself think W became president in large part to make money for some rich folks.
    • You can shoot holes through any administration's record on being non-authoritarian.  For example, poor people, particularly minorities, have always spent undue time in jail while awaiting trial.
    • Etc.

    Greater threat
    • Conservative Judges?  Yeah...but also Trump/party loyalists more than we've ever seen?
    • The devotion to him is like nothing we've ever seen.  Is there a critical mass to enable whatever he might have on his mind regarding authoritarianism?
    • A party that seems intent to protect him simply to own the libs.
    • Constantly has key vacancies on his staff; maybe he's trying to show that the First Family can do it themselves?
    • Constant attempts to discredit the media as "the Enemy of the People."  This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.  And I don't think we've seen this from other US Presidents. 
    • Seems to have a great admiration for despots and dictators.  I have not seen this out of any others.
    • Openly hostile  or indifferent to places that have had natural disasters, etc. if they did not provide him electoral votes (e.g., Puerto Rico and California).  For all the bad of any president in my memory, they all were the president of the ENTIRE country, not just states that voted for them.
    • I'm not sure what's going on but, he sure seems to treat Putin somewhat like a supervisor.  
    • Etc.
    The fact is, M2H made some good points. Patriot Act.  Gitmo. There's some un-American shit going on and has been for some time.  That said, I think the threat of things being stepped way, way up is legitimate.  I'm talking a future president Trump installed rather than elected; political opponents jailed; SNL being ordered off the air.  This is what he wants.  The party seems OK with it and at least a third of the population will follow him there.  If he wins in 2020, all bets are off.  That's my opinion.
    Totally agree , I’m of the thought his plan is to be president for more than just two terms and beyond..
    How are you going to repeal the 22nd amendment?  This country doesn't agree on anything, I don't see how 2/3 of Congress would agree on this.  
    The Congress would not be able to stop it if he decides to follow the Russians playbook? 
    It’s called a takeover of the country and Putin knows exactly how to get it done ..
    Sorry Jose, this is just paranoia
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion..
    Absolutely brother, i respect your opinion even if i may not agree with it

    Trump blows, but we aren't looking at a POTUS for life.... shit, i was told if the dems won the midterm he wouldn't even get 4 years *whoops*
    2017

    Whoops!!
    I was caught up in the hype and clicked a poll on a rock bands message board.... oh no, the horror.... at least i wasnt so scared of being wrong i didn't vote lol
    You're right. You were so brave to put down 2017. I'm a coward for not "getting caught up in the hype".

    2017, Whoops!!
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    2017
    dignin said:
    my2hands said:
    dignin said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I actually think if we can avoid the usual traps of insults, etc., this is an interesting topic.

    TRUMP: Just another republican or greater threat?'

    Just another republican
    • Appointing conservative judges? Nothing new.
    • Polarizing?  Who wasn't?
    • Doesn't care about the environment.  Neither did W.
    • Serves the rich.  Well, that was the entire basis of St. Ronald's presidency.
    • War profiteering is as American as apple pie...hell, I myself think W became president in large part to make money for some rich folks.
    • You can shoot holes through any administration's record on being non-authoritarian.  For example, poor people, particularly minorities, have always spent undue time in jail while awaiting trial.
    • Etc.

    Greater threat
    • Conservative Judges?  Yeah...but also Trump/party loyalists more than we've ever seen?
    • The devotion to him is like nothing we've ever seen.  Is there a critical mass to enable whatever he might have on his mind regarding authoritarianism?
    • A party that seems intent to protect him simply to own the libs.
    • Constantly has key vacancies on his staff; maybe he's trying to show that the First Family can do it themselves?
    • Constant attempts to discredit the media as "the Enemy of the People."  This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.  And I don't think we've seen this from other US Presidents. 
    • Seems to have a great admiration for despots and dictators.  I have not seen this out of any others.
    • Openly hostile  or indifferent to places that have had natural disasters, etc. if they did not provide him electoral votes (e.g., Puerto Rico and California).  For all the bad of any president in my memory, they all were the president of the ENTIRE country, not just states that voted for them.
    • I'm not sure what's going on but, he sure seems to treat Putin somewhat like a supervisor.  
    • Etc.
    The fact is, M2H made some good points. Patriot Act.  Gitmo. There's some un-American shit going on and has been for some time.  That said, I think the threat of things being stepped way, way up is legitimate.  I'm talking a future president Trump installed rather than elected; political opponents jailed; SNL being ordered off the air.  This is what he wants.  The party seems OK with it and at least a third of the population will follow him there.  If he wins in 2020, all bets are off.  That's my opinion.
    Totally agree , I’m of the thought his plan is to be president for more than just two terms and beyond..
    How are you going to repeal the 22nd amendment?  This country doesn't agree on anything, I don't see how 2/3 of Congress would agree on this.  
    The Congress would not be able to stop it if he decides to follow the Russians playbook? 
    It’s called a takeover of the country and Putin knows exactly how to get it done ..
    Sorry Jose, this is just paranoia
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion..
    Absolutely brother, i respect your opinion even if i may not agree with it

    Trump blows, but we aren't looking at a POTUS for life.... shit, i was told if the dems won the midterm he wouldn't even get 4 years *whoops*
    2017

    Whoops!!
    I was caught up in the hype and clicked a poll on a rock bands message board.... oh no, the horror.... at least i wasnt so scared of being wrong i didn't vote lol
    You're right. You were so brave to put down 2017. I'm a coward for not "getting caught up in the hype".

    2017, Whoops!!
    Why you obsessed with me bro? It's lame
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,474
    2018
    It’s ok folks no one predicted correctly on impeachment yr and he will survive till 2020 so it seems but it’s gonna be a total shit show till then , with just his taxes fight it will consume the rest of his presidency he won’t get anything done or passed ! 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    It’s ok folks no one predicted correctly on impeachment yr and he will survive till 2020 so it seems but it’s gonna be a total shit show till then , with just his taxes fight it will consume the rest of his presidency he won’t get anything done or passed ! 
    Why are the Democrats so obsessed with his tax returns?  Seriously who the fuck cares.   What is the basis for the Democrats latest crusade?  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,474
    2018
    mcgruff10 said:
    It’s ok folks no one predicted correctly on impeachment yr and he will survive till 2020 so it seems but it’s gonna be a total shit show till then , with just his taxes fight it will consume the rest of his presidency he won’t get anything done or passed ! 
    Why are the Democrats so obsessed with his tax returns?  Seriously who the fuck cares.   What is the basis for the Democrats latest crusade?  
    lol really do you don’t care if the president of this country has paid his taxes like every other  law abiding citizen ? Man your willing to give him a pass on everything tell us where would you draw the line on him ? 
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    mcgruff10 said:
    It’s ok folks no one predicted correctly on impeachment yr and he will survive till 2020 so it seems but it’s gonna be a total shit show till then , with just his taxes fight it will consume the rest of his presidency he won’t get anything done or passed ! 
    Why are the Democrats so obsessed with his tax returns?  Seriously who the fuck cares.   What is the basis for the Democrats latest crusade?  
    Is it not the IRS's job to determine if taxes are paid?  Are they not the experts in finding tax fraud?
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    mcgruff10 said:
    It’s ok folks no one predicted correctly on impeachment yr and he will survive till 2020 so it seems but it’s gonna be a total shit show till then , with just his taxes fight it will consume the rest of his presidency he won’t get anything done or passed ! 
    Why are the Democrats so obsessed with his tax returns?  Seriously who the fuck cares.   What is the basis for the Democrats latest crusade?  
    lol really do you don’t care if the president of this country has paid his taxes like every other  law abiding citizen ? Man your willing to give him a pass on everything tell us where would you draw the line on him ? 
    Isn't that what the IRS is for?  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,133
    mcgruff10 said:
    It’s ok folks no one predicted correctly on impeachment yr and he will survive till 2020 so it seems but it’s gonna be a total shit show till then , with just his taxes fight it will consume the rest of his presidency he won’t get anything done or passed ! 
    Why are the Democrats so obsessed with his tax returns?  Seriously who the fuck cares.   What is the basis for the Democrats latest crusade?  
    I think it's about a long-established norm that Trump decided arbitrarily not to participate in (and also alluded to the fact that he would). When every modern President has done this willingly, and he elected not to, he opened himself up to that attack. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,474
    2018
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It’s ok folks no one predicted correctly on impeachment yr and he will survive till 2020 so it seems but it’s gonna be a total shit show till then , with just his taxes fight it will consume the rest of his presidency he won’t get anything done or passed ! 
    Why are the Democrats so obsessed with his tax returns?  Seriously who the fuck cares.   What is the basis for the Democrats latest crusade?  
    lol really do you don’t care if the president of this country has paid his taxes like every other  law abiding citizen ? Man your willing to give him a pass on everything tell us where would you draw the line on him ? 
    Isn't that what the IRS is for?  
    Yes and who’s running it ? 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
    edited April 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    It’s ok folks no one predicted correctly on impeachment yr and he will survive till 2020 so it seems but it’s gonna be a total shit show till then , with just his taxes fight it will consume the rest of his presidency he won’t get anything done or passed ! 
    Why are the Democrats so obsessed with his tax returns?  Seriously who the fuck cares.   What is the basis for the Democrats latest crusade?  
    Why were repubs so obsessed with Hillary’s tax returns and CGF, of which she released 20 years of tax returns and as a 503c corporation, the financial filings were public records?

    Because he’s likely to have underreported his income to avoid paying taxes, tax evasion, and they would list sources of income, whether they be loans or direct investments from individuals and entities, maybe foreign. 600 shell companies also provides for money laundering opportunities. Congress would like to know whether Team Trump Treason was honest in his business dealings, whether he’s cheated in his taxes or committed banking or insurance fraud and whether he’s getting rich on the office of the presidency. Good to know you don’t give a shit and you’re okay with it.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    benjs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It’s ok folks no one predicted correctly on impeachment yr and he will survive till 2020 so it seems but it’s gonna be a total shit show till then , with just his taxes fight it will consume the rest of his presidency he won’t get anything done or passed ! 
    Why are the Democrats so obsessed with his tax returns?  Seriously who the fuck cares.   What is the basis for the Democrats latest crusade?  
    I think it's about a long-established norm that Trump decided arbitrarily not to participate in (and also alluded to the fact that he would). When every modern President has done this willingly, and he elected not to, he opened himself up to that attack. 
    Got ya. I just honestly don’t give a shit. There are so many problems in this country and now we are consumed with this.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Does “tax returns” means just personal or corporate tax returns as well? Because while his personal tax returns would be interesting, it’s the corporate ones where I think we’d see the fraud and illegal dealings. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,474
    2018
    mcgruff10 said:
    benjs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It’s ok folks no one predicted correctly on impeachment yr and he will survive till 2020 so it seems but it’s gonna be a total shit show till then , with just his taxes fight it will consume the rest of his presidency he won’t get anything done or passed ! 
    Why are the Democrats so obsessed with his tax returns?  Seriously who the fuck cares.   What is the basis for the Democrats latest crusade?  
    I think it's about a long-established norm that Trump decided arbitrarily not to participate in (and also alluded to the fact that he would). When every modern President has done this willingly, and he elected not to, he opened himself up to that attack. 
    Got ya. I just honestly don’t give a shit. There are so many problems in this country and now we are consumed with this.  
    This could of all been avoided by Inauguration Day you know I know it the whole damn country knows it !
    If he would of just done it then..
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    mcgruff10 said:
    benjs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It’s ok folks no one predicted correctly on impeachment yr and he will survive till 2020 so it seems but it’s gonna be a total shit show till then , with just his taxes fight it will consume the rest of his presidency he won’t get anything done or passed ! 
    Why are the Democrats so obsessed with his tax returns?  Seriously who the fuck cares.   What is the basis for the Democrats latest crusade?  
    I think it's about a long-established norm that Trump decided arbitrarily not to participate in (and also alluded to the fact that he would). When every modern President has done this willingly, and he elected not to, he opened himself up to that attack. 
    Got ya. I just honestly don’t give a shit. There are so many problems in this country and now we are consumed with this.  
    This could of all been avoided by Inauguration Day you know I know it the whole damn country knows it !
    If he would of just done it then..
    Agreed bud. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • His tax returns would only prove what everybody knows (and knew when the US elected the crook).

    I’m of the ‘who cares’ variety simply because nothing earth shattering would be revealed.

    The US doesn’t seem to care about white collar crime. It seems to care more about petty crimes committed by people with limited personal options.
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  • ^^^

    And financial dealings with Russians? Duh. Everybody knows that too. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,474
    2018
    ^^^

    And financial dealings with Russians? Duh. Everybody knows that too. 
     No doubt 
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