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***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
    2019
    Tonight he’s calling Schiff pencil neck this is our president please anyone defend him here tell me why he’s a great president...
    I had a “discussion” with someone on Facebook about what Schiff said. The guy kept saying they were all lies. I asked him at least four times how they were lies and he just basically repeated that they were lies. So I copy and pasted a bunch of Fox News articles confirming everything Schiff said and turned off notifications from that post. 


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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,655
    Tonight he’s calling Schiff pencil neck this is our president please anyone defend him here tell me why he’s a great president...
    I had a “discussion” with someone on Facebook about what Schiff said. The guy kept saying they were all lies. I asked him at least four times how they were lies and he just basically repeated that they were lies. So I copy and pasted a bunch of Fox News articles confirming everything Schiff said and turned off notifications from that post. 


    Every. Single. Thing. He. Said. Was. True. And repubs are okay with it. Traitors. It’ll make a great campaign ad.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,664
    Tonight he’s calling Schiff pencil neck this is our president please anyone defend him here tell me why he’s a great president...
    I had a “discussion” with someone on Facebook about what Schiff said. The guy kept saying they were all lies. I asked him at least four times how they were lies and he just basically repeated that they were lies. So I copy and pasted a bunch of Fox News articles confirming everything Schiff said and turned off notifications from that post. 


    I always link fox news articles when I can in those ‘discussions’. They immediatly reject most other media sources and won’t even click on them. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
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    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/30/politics/donald-trump-chaos-agenda/index.html

    One Republican congressman told CNN on Thursday that after Trump received a political boost from the end of the special counsel probe, he spiked the football in the end zone and the "damn ball came up and hit us in the nose."


    Can't wait till the Mueller report comes out. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
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    Looking forward to seeing the actual report


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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,655
    What are they hiding? “Fully exonerated.”
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,655
    Now why would this possibly be? OMG! Team Trump Treason backpedaling on releasing the Team Mueller Report that exonorated him? “Fully exonerated him?”

    https://apple.news/An8aWBX6HTFqai9Q2GVzb1Q

    What are are they hiding?

    “There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
    “Very legal, very cool.”

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,655
    So what is taking so long to release the full Team Mueller Report? You know, the one that fully exonerated Team Trump Treason? I mean why would you withhold a report that fully exonerated you?

    Okay, I know I’m impatient like all those that were whining about wrapping up the Team Mueller investigation but don’t you want to know what’s in it? No interest? Oh, you’re just going to take a 4 page statement by a partisan hack at face value? Guess you really cared about Hillary’s emails and Benghazi too? I digress.

    Lets say the report is 500 pages because it’s worse than people are letting on. Like way worse. And that it’s been 8 days since CYA Barr got the report. 8 goes into 500, let me see, oh about 62 pages a day under review. Now let’s assume that CYA Barr assigns 4 staffers to review and redact just about everything including the no basis in law or precedent, “unindicted periphial third parties,” because CYA Barr wants some plausible deniability in the cover up and everyone knows gubmint takes 4 people to do what 1 in the private sector can do. Now, I was never good in math but that’s like 16 pages per staffer, per day. Now we all know gubmint workers only work 4 out of 8 hours so it seems they have to review 4 pages an hour. That’s 1 every 15 minutes in their work day! Now, as CEO of the largest corporation in the world, Team Trump Treason could order the expeditious release by assigning more staffers or asking CYA Barr to do some work, particularly if the Team Mueller Report Fully exonorates him, right? Guess the dems will just have to subpoena it and them.

    Red scare indeed. What are they hiding?

    “There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
    “Very legal, very cool.”

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,312
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    He said he’s all clear & innocent that should be good enough for everyone no ? 
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,731
    He said he’s all clear & innocent that should be good enough for everyone no ? 
    I don't think anyone but his most loyal fans think he's all clear and innocent. Many people (well, me at least) think that that the Mueller report, touted by the left as something that was going to take him down, isn't going to do anything but make him look bad, which he does to himself every day. 
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    Falling down,...not staying down
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,385
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    Kat said:
    Yup. It's bizarre.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
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    mfc2006 said:
    Kat said:
    Yup. It's bizarre.
    Can you imagine if the Dems didn’t take the house last year?

    Elections have consequences...

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,655
    Hey guess what? Team Mueller investigators are leaking summaries of their investigation(s) to the press and the early reporting is that the Team Mueller report is worse than CYA Barr is letting on. Who would have thunk? 28-9.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,312
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    mfc2006 said:
    Kat said:
    Yup. It's bizarre.
    Can you imagine if the Dems didn’t take the house last year?

    Elections have consequences...

    I can’t even imagine we are lucky..
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,940
    Hey guess what? Team Mueller investigators are leaking summaries of their investigation(s) to the press and the early reporting is that the Team Mueller report is worse than CYA Barr is letting on. Who would have thunk? 28-9.
    If true (about the leaking), I find that incredibly dumb behaviour. The reason Mueller insisted on this secrecy all along the way was likely to avoid this falling into the court of public opinion for a complex situation in an era where people cling to the easiest (and most aligned with their own opinion) soundbite to swallow. To jeopardize this in the eleventh hour and give a possible argument of "this was coloured by public opinion" (which, if true, I think will happen based on past events), just seems counter-productive. I hope the truth comes out (what ever it may be), and I hope it does with proper protocol.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,312
    2018
    Muller will def end up testifying! 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
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    Morons. Can’t wait for the report to come out. 


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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,655
    benjs said:
    Hey guess what? Team Mueller investigators are leaking summaries of their investigation(s) to the press and the early reporting is that the Team Mueller report is worse than CYA Barr is letting on. Who would have thunk? 28-9.
    If true (about the leaking), I find that incredibly dumb behaviour. The reason Mueller insisted on this secrecy all along the way was likely to avoid this falling into the court of public opinion for a complex situation in an era where people cling to the easiest (and most aligned with their own opinion) soundbite to swallow. To jeopardize this in the eleventh hour and give a possible argument of "this was coloured by public opinion" (which, if true, I think will happen based on past events), just seems counter-productive. I hope the truth comes out (what ever it may be), and I hope it does with proper protocol.
    I disagree. Leaks are part of the game, particularly after the conclusion of the investigation. Team Mueller ran a very tight ship with no leaks or comments, other than to counter the false Buzzfeed report, during the investigation. Leaks now are indicative of members of Team Mueller being frustrated by a one sided narrative being spun by CYA Barr, who lobbied for the job to protect the president and is attempting to cover up the contents of the Team Mueller Report. You (general sense) don’t want leaks? Release the full report to Congress. The behavior begs the question, what are they hiding? Particularly since the report “fully exonerated” Team Trump Treason.
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    benjs said:
    Hey guess what? Team Mueller investigators are leaking summaries of their investigation(s) to the press and the early reporting is that the Team Mueller report is worse than CYA Barr is letting on. Who would have thunk? 28-9.
    If true (about the leaking), I find that incredibly dumb behaviour. The reason Mueller insisted on this secrecy all along the way was likely to avoid this falling into the court of public opinion for a complex situation in an era where people cling to the easiest (and most aligned with their own opinion) soundbite to swallow. To jeopardize this in the eleventh hour and give a possible argument of "this was coloured by public opinion" (which, if true, I think will happen based on past events), just seems counter-productive. I hope the truth comes out (what ever it may be), and I hope it does with proper protocol.
    I disagree. Leaks are part of the game, particularly after the conclusion of the investigation. Team Mueller ran a very tight ship with no leaks or comments, other than to counter the false Buzzfeed report, during the investigation. Leaks now are indicative of members of Team Mueller being frustrated by a one sided narrative being spun by CYA Barr, who lobbied for the job to protect the president and is attempting to cover up the contents of the Team Mueller Report. You (general sense) don’t want leaks? Release the full report to Congress. The behavior begs the question, what are they hiding? Particularly since the report “fully exonerated” Team Trump Treason.
    28-9.
    "Leaks" are what lead to the collusion thoughts in the first place, which you mention and we see how that turned out...

    No more leaks.  No more "credible unnamed sources".  Facts only please. 

    Release the whole damn report please.
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,940
    benjs said:
    Hey guess what? Team Mueller investigators are leaking summaries of their investigation(s) to the press and the early reporting is that the Team Mueller report is worse than CYA Barr is letting on. Who would have thunk? 28-9.
    If true (about the leaking), I find that incredibly dumb behaviour. The reason Mueller insisted on this secrecy all along the way was likely to avoid this falling into the court of public opinion for a complex situation in an era where people cling to the easiest (and most aligned with their own opinion) soundbite to swallow. To jeopardize this in the eleventh hour and give a possible argument of "this was coloured by public opinion" (which, if true, I think will happen based on past events), just seems counter-productive. I hope the truth comes out (what ever it may be), and I hope it does with proper protocol.
    I disagree. Leaks are part of the game, particularly after the conclusion of the investigation. Team Mueller ran a very tight ship with no leaks or comments, other than to counter the false Buzzfeed report, during the investigation. Leaks now are indicative of members of Team Mueller being frustrated by a one sided narrative being spun by CYA Barr, who lobbied for the job to protect the president and is attempting to cover up the contents of the Team Mueller Report. You (general sense) don’t want leaks? Release the full report to Congress. The behavior begs the question, what are they hiding? Particularly since the report “fully exonerated” Team Trump Treason.
    28-9.
    I believe in giving as little ammunition to your opponents as possible (especially the way even the most innocuous of situations are now weaponized), but I hope you're correct here.

    I'm all for leaking if it were certain this wasn't going anywhere, but I don't think the options to release this legally have been exhaustive; they've only just placed the subpoena for the full release, after all.

    In any case, both our positions are only opinions so we'll just have to wait and see what comes next.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,312
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    benjs said:
    Hey guess what? Team Mueller investigators are leaking summaries of their investigation(s) to the press and the early reporting is that the Team Mueller report is worse than CYA Barr is letting on. Who would have thunk? 28-9.
    If true (about the leaking), I find that incredibly dumb behaviour. The reason Mueller insisted on this secrecy all along the way was likely to avoid this falling into the court of public opinion for a complex situation in an era where people cling to the easiest (and most aligned with their own opinion) soundbite to swallow. To jeopardize this in the eleventh hour and give a possible argument of "this was coloured by public opinion" (which, if true, I think will happen based on past events), just seems counter-productive. I hope the truth comes out (what ever it may be), and I hope it does with proper protocol.
    I disagree. Leaks are part of the game, particularly after the conclusion of the investigation. Team Mueller ran a very tight ship with no leaks or comments, other than to counter the false Buzzfeed report, during the investigation. Leaks now are indicative of members of Team Mueller being frustrated by a one sided narrative being spun by CYA Barr, who lobbied for the job to protect the president and is attempting to cover up the contents of the Team Mueller Report. You (general sense) don’t want leaks? Release the full report to Congress. The behavior begs the question, what are they hiding? Particularly since the report “fully exonerated” Team Trump Treason.
    28-9.
    "Leaks" are what lead to the collusion thoughts in the first place, which you mention and we see how that turned out...

    No more leaks.  No more "credible unnamed sources".  Facts only please. 

    Release the whole damn report please.
    Yeah but it’s the GOP & Barr running the bootleg for this idiot they are the ones hiding crap , how can you not see that ..
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,655
    benjs said:
    Hey guess what? Team Mueller investigators are leaking summaries of their investigation(s) to the press and the early reporting is that the Team Mueller report is worse than CYA Barr is letting on. Who would have thunk? 28-9.
    If true (about the leaking), I find that incredibly dumb behaviour. The reason Mueller insisted on this secrecy all along the way was likely to avoid this falling into the court of public opinion for a complex situation in an era where people cling to the easiest (and most aligned with their own opinion) soundbite to swallow. To jeopardize this in the eleventh hour and give a possible argument of "this was coloured by public opinion" (which, if true, I think will happen based on past events), just seems counter-productive. I hope the truth comes out (what ever it may be), and I hope it does with proper protocol.
    I disagree. Leaks are part of the game, particularly after the conclusion of the investigation. Team Mueller ran a very tight ship with no leaks or comments, other than to counter the false Buzzfeed report, during the investigation. Leaks now are indicative of members of Team Mueller being frustrated by a one sided narrative being spun by CYA Barr, who lobbied for the job to protect the president and is attempting to cover up the contents of the Team Mueller Report. You (general sense) don’t want leaks? Release the full report to Congress. The behavior begs the question, what are they hiding? Particularly since the report “fully exonerated” Team Trump Treason.
    28-9.
    "Leaks" are what lead to the collusion thoughts in the first place, which you mention and we see how that turned out...

    No more leaks.  No more "credible unnamed sources".  Facts only please. 

    Release the whole damn report please.
    Leaks by whom? Comey certainly didn’t leak that Team Trump Treason was under investigation prior to the election. The timing of leaks are relevant.
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,940
    benjs said:
    Hey guess what? Team Mueller investigators are leaking summaries of their investigation(s) to the press and the early reporting is that the Team Mueller report is worse than CYA Barr is letting on. Who would have thunk? 28-9.
    If true (about the leaking), I find that incredibly dumb behaviour. The reason Mueller insisted on this secrecy all along the way was likely to avoid this falling into the court of public opinion for a complex situation in an era where people cling to the easiest (and most aligned with their own opinion) soundbite to swallow. To jeopardize this in the eleventh hour and give a possible argument of "this was coloured by public opinion" (which, if true, I think will happen based on past events), just seems counter-productive. I hope the truth comes out (what ever it may be), and I hope it does with proper protocol.
    I disagree. Leaks are part of the game, particularly after the conclusion of the investigation. Team Mueller ran a very tight ship with no leaks or comments, other than to counter the false Buzzfeed report, during the investigation. Leaks now are indicative of members of Team Mueller being frustrated by a one sided narrative being spun by CYA Barr, who lobbied for the job to protect the president and is attempting to cover up the contents of the Team Mueller Report. You (general sense) don’t want leaks? Release the full report to Congress. The behavior begs the question, what are they hiding? Particularly since the report “fully exonerated” Team Trump Treason.
    28-9.
    "Leaks" are what lead to the collusion thoughts in the first place, which you mention and we see how that turned out...

    No more leaks.  No more "credible unnamed sources".  Facts only please. 

    Release the whole damn report please.
    Yeah but it’s the GOP & Barr running the bootleg for this idiot they are the ones hiding crap , how can you not see that ..
    All I'm saying is that the deadline has passed for Barr to release the entire report to Congress, and Congress now has legal right (which the House panel said they will pursue) to subpoena for the entirety of the report. That's regardless of who's in charge. Should that attempt be derailed by claims of executive privilege etc., then go for the leaks, because the attempts to get this out will have visibly failed. Until then, I think this'll be presented as a trust-eroding action by Republicans. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,655
    benjs said:
    benjs said:
    Hey guess what? Team Mueller investigators are leaking summaries of their investigation(s) to the press and the early reporting is that the Team Mueller report is worse than CYA Barr is letting on. Who would have thunk? 28-9.
    If true (about the leaking), I find that incredibly dumb behaviour. The reason Mueller insisted on this secrecy all along the way was likely to avoid this falling into the court of public opinion for a complex situation in an era where people cling to the easiest (and most aligned with their own opinion) soundbite to swallow. To jeopardize this in the eleventh hour and give a possible argument of "this was coloured by public opinion" (which, if true, I think will happen based on past events), just seems counter-productive. I hope the truth comes out (what ever it may be), and I hope it does with proper protocol.
    I disagree. Leaks are part of the game, particularly after the conclusion of the investigation. Team Mueller ran a very tight ship with no leaks or comments, other than to counter the false Buzzfeed report, during the investigation. Leaks now are indicative of members of Team Mueller being frustrated by a one sided narrative being spun by CYA Barr, who lobbied for the job to protect the president and is attempting to cover up the contents of the Team Mueller Report. You (general sense) don’t want leaks? Release the full report to Congress. The behavior begs the question, what are they hiding? Particularly since the report “fully exonerated” Team Trump Treason.
    28-9.
    I believe in giving as little ammunition to your opponents as possible (especially the way even the most innocuous of situations are now weaponized), but I hope you're correct here.

    I'm all for leaking if it were certain this wasn't going anywhere, but I don't think the options to release this legally have been exhaustive; they've only just placed the subpoena for the full release, after all.

    In any case, both our positions are only opinions so we'll just have to wait and see what comes next.
    I’m going with my gut.
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    .benjs said:
    benjs said:
    Hey guess what? Team Mueller investigators are leaking summaries of their investigation(s) to the press and the early reporting is that the Team Mueller report is worse than CYA Barr is letting on. Who would have thunk? 28-9.
    If true (about the leaking), I find that incredibly dumb behaviour. The reason Mueller insisted on this secrecy all along the way was likely to avoid this falling into the court of public opinion for a complex situation in an era where people cling to the easiest (and most aligned with their own opinion) soundbite to swallow. To jeopardize this in the eleventh hour and give a possible argument of "this was coloured by public opinion" (which, if true, I think will happen based on past events), just seems counter-productive. I hope the truth comes out (what ever it may be), and I hope it does with proper protocol.
    I disagree. Leaks are part of the game, particularly after the conclusion of the investigation. Team Mueller ran a very tight ship with no leaks or comments, other than to counter the false Buzzfeed report, during the investigation. Leaks now are indicative of members of Team Mueller being frustrated by a one sided narrative being spun by CYA Barr, who lobbied for the job to protect the president and is attempting to cover up the contents of the Team Mueller Report. You (general sense) don’t want leaks? Release the full report to Congress. The behavior begs the question, what are they hiding? Particularly since the report “fully exonerated” Team Trump Treason.
    28-9.
    "Leaks" are what lead to the collusion thoughts in the first place, which you mention and we see how that turned out...

    No more leaks.  No more "credible unnamed sources".  Facts only please. 

    Release the whole damn report please.
    Yeah but it’s the GOP & Barr running the bootleg for this idiot they are the ones hiding crap , how can you not see that ..
    All I'm saying is that the deadline has passed for Barr to release the entire report to Congress, and Congress now has legal right (which the House panel said they will pursue) to subpoena for the entirety of the report. That's regardless of who's in charge. Should that attempt be derailed by claims of executive privilege etc., then go for the leaks, because the attempts to get this out will have visibly failed. Until then, I think this'll be presented as a trust-eroding action by Republicans. 
    Nadler decided against issuing the subpoena and immediately after members of Mueller's team decided to start taking to the press. Still it seems like we are a ways from seeing Congress getting the full report.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,655
    .benjs said:
    benjs said:
    Hey guess what? Team Mueller investigators are leaking summaries of their investigation(s) to the press and the early reporting is that the Team Mueller report is worse than CYA Barr is letting on. Who would have thunk? 28-9.
    If true (about the leaking), I find that incredibly dumb behaviour. The reason Mueller insisted on this secrecy all along the way was likely to avoid this falling into the court of public opinion for a complex situation in an era where people cling to the easiest (and most aligned with their own opinion) soundbite to swallow. To jeopardize this in the eleventh hour and give a possible argument of "this was coloured by public opinion" (which, if true, I think will happen based on past events), just seems counter-productive. I hope the truth comes out (what ever it may be), and I hope it does with proper protocol.
    I disagree. Leaks are part of the game, particularly after the conclusion of the investigation. Team Mueller ran a very tight ship with no leaks or comments, other than to counter the false Buzzfeed report, during the investigation. Leaks now are indicative of members of Team Mueller being frustrated by a one sided narrative being spun by CYA Barr, who lobbied for the job to protect the president and is attempting to cover up the contents of the Team Mueller Report. You (general sense) don’t want leaks? Release the full report to Congress. The behavior begs the question, what are they hiding? Particularly since the report “fully exonerated” Team Trump Treason.
    28-9.
    "Leaks" are what lead to the collusion thoughts in the first place, which you mention and we see how that turned out...

    No more leaks.  No more "credible unnamed sources".  Facts only please. 

    Release the whole damn report please.
    Yeah but it’s the GOP & Barr running the bootleg for this idiot they are the ones hiding crap , how can you not see that ..
    All I'm saying is that the deadline has passed for Barr to release the entire report to Congress, and Congress now has legal right (which the House panel said they will pursue) to subpoena for the entirety of the report. That's regardless of who's in charge. Should that attempt be derailed by claims of executive privilege etc., then go for the leaks, because the attempts to get this out will have visibly failed. Until then, I think this'll be presented as a trust-eroding action by Republicans. 
    Nadler decided against issuing the subpoena and immediately after members of Mueller's team decided to start taking to the press. Still it seems like we are a ways from seeing Congress getting the full report.
    Nadler is giving CYA Barr ample opportunity to come clean and release the Team Mueller report, in its entirety, to Congress. Instead, he’s doing what he was hired to do, cover it up. The vote to issue subpoenas didn’t have a deadline attached to it regarding when they would be issued. Nadler’s deadline was his April 2nd of CYA Barr handing the report over, which was ample time given the length, resources available for review and Team Trump Treason’s full exoneration. When Nadler’s patience wears thin, he’ll issue subpoenas but it seems those in the know are already frustrated, concerned and acting accordingly. You (general sense) don’t want leaks? Demand that the Team Mueller Report be released in its entirety.
     
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,312
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    benjs said:
    benjs said:
    Hey guess what? Team Mueller investigators are leaking summaries of their investigation(s) to the press and the early reporting is that the Team Mueller report is worse than CYA Barr is letting on. Who would have thunk? 28-9.
    If true (about the leaking), I find that incredibly dumb behaviour. The reason Mueller insisted on this secrecy all along the way was likely to avoid this falling into the court of public opinion for a complex situation in an era where people cling to the easiest (and most aligned with their own opinion) soundbite to swallow. To jeopardize this in the eleventh hour and give a possible argument of "this was coloured by public opinion" (which, if true, I think will happen based on past events), just seems counter-productive. I hope the truth comes out (what ever it may be), and I hope it does with proper protocol.
    I disagree. Leaks are part of the game, particularly after the conclusion of the investigation. Team Mueller ran a very tight ship with no leaks or comments, other than to counter the false Buzzfeed report, during the investigation. Leaks now are indicative of members of Team Mueller being frustrated by a one sided narrative being spun by CYA Barr, who lobbied for the job to protect the president and is attempting to cover up the contents of the Team Mueller Report. You (general sense) don’t want leaks? Release the full report to Congress. The behavior begs the question, what are they hiding? Particularly since the report “fully exonerated” Team Trump Treason.
    28-9.
    "Leaks" are what lead to the collusion thoughts in the first place, which you mention and we see how that turned out...

    No more leaks.  No more "credible unnamed sources".  Facts only please. 

    Release the whole damn report please.
    Yeah but it’s the GOP & Barr running the bootleg for this idiot they are the ones hiding crap , how can you not see that ..
    All I'm saying is that the deadline has passed for Barr to release the entire report to Congress, and Congress now has legal right (which the House panel said they will pursue) to subpoena for the entirety of the report. That's regardless of who's in charge. Should that attempt be derailed by claims of executive privilege etc., then go for the leaks, because the attempts to get this out will have visibly failed. Until then, I think this'll be presented as a trust-eroding action by Republicans. 
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,312
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    I agree with you Ben 
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    I agree with you Ben 
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