Is BRADY The G.O.A.T.

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Poncier said:

    Lets just put this Aaron Wroggers argument out of its misery...




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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    I put Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino and Joe Montana into the conversation. Not sure who if anyone beyond those four really belongs.
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  • Wma31394
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    JimmyV said:

    I put Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino and Joe Montana into the conversation. Not sure who if anyone beyond those four really belongs.

    Sounds about right..
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  • ed243421
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    Might put elway in before Peyton

    Most of his games were in a dome
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  • JimmyV
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    ed243421 said:

    Might put elway in before Peyton

    Most of his games were in a dome

    Elway is a good addition.

    Peyton got drafted by Indy. I can't really hold the dome against him.
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  • ed243421
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    Check out his cold weather stats
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  • Wma31394
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    Elway and Favre my next 2..
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  • Poncier
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    Favre threw too many picks, puts him in the 2nd tier.
    He is the only QB other than Bart Starr with the ability to take the Packers to multiple Super Bowls though, so he's got that going for him.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    ed243421 said:

    Check out his cold weather stats

    Don't need to. I saw firsthand how he would stumble and see ghosts when it started to snow in Foxboro. But, lots of guys have played in domes over the years. No QB has ever thrown for more yards or more touchdowns than Peyton Manning. He's on the list, IMO.
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  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,421
    so who you all got as GOAT in the other sports?

    baseball- maybe ruth or williams or mays? (this would be the hardest to do do i think)
    basketball- Michael Jordon or Wilt Chamberlain
    hockey- Wayne Gretzky

    as far as Brady being the GOAT. I would probably say yes now. I was a huge Montana fan growing up and i think he passed him.
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  • ehbacon
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    edited February 2017
    Poncier said:

    ehbacon said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    Didn't the Pats go 4-1 without Brady this season? Hmmm.

    3-1 but that is very telling.


    In 2013 Rodgers missed 7 games, during which the team went 2-4-1. They ended up winning the division that year.
    What about here...

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320101009

    Kind of telling how well the Pack click on offense when they sit Rodgers for Matt Flynn.
    that was against the Lions. Lions were terrible and Matt Flynn was a great QB until he injured his arm. I don't understand why you ignore the much longer lasting, and more recent stat for one game?

    In Aaron Rodgers starting career, in the games he hasn't played (or was injured for the majority of) the Packers are 2-7-1. The games that Brady didn't play the Patriots are 14-6

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  • Poncier
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    OK, saying Rodgers is the greatest QB of all time is fairly laughable, but Stave Carlton as the greatest baseball player. Dude, you're smoking something.

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  • Poncier
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    ehbacon said:

    Poncier said:

    ehbacon said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    Didn't the Pats go 4-1 without Brady this season? Hmmm.

    3-1 but that is very telling.


    In 2013 Rodgers missed 7 games, during which the team went 2-4-1. They ended up winning the division that year.
    What about here...

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320101009

    Kind of telling how well the Pack click on offense when they sit Rodgers for Matt Flynn.


    In Aaron Rodgers starting career, in the games he hasn't played (or was injured for the majority of) the Packers are 2-7-1.

    So you say above Rodgers-less Pack went 2-4-1 in 2013 and then after I show you the game where Matt Flynn showed Wisconsin how quarterbacking is done in the 2011 season, you come back with Pack is 2-7-1 when Rodgers sits.

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  • JimmyV
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    edited February 2017
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
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    Joe Montana won't even say it. Can't compare eras. Brady is the best QB of the 00's. That's about it.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    eeriepadave said:

    so who you all got as GOAT in the other sports?

    baseball- maybe ruth or williams or mays? (this would be the hardest to do do i think)
    basketball- Michael Jordon or Wilt Chamberlain
    hockey- Wayne Gretzky

    as far as Brady being the GOAT. I would probably say yes now. I was a huge Montana fan growing up and i think he passed him.

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  • HesCalledDyer
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    JimmyV said:

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  • ehbacon
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    edited February 2017
    Poncier said:

    ehbacon said:

    Poncier said:

    ehbacon said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    Didn't the Pats go 4-1 without Brady this season? Hmmm.

    3-1 but that is very telling.


    In 2013 Rodgers missed 7 games, during which the team went 2-4-1. They ended up winning the division that year.
    What about here...

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320101009

    Kind of telling how well the Pack click on offense when they sit Rodgers for Matt Flynn.


    In Aaron Rodgers starting career, in the games he hasn't played (or was injured for the majority of) the Packers are 2-7-1.

    So you say above Rodgers-less Pack went 2-4-1 in 2013 and then after I show you the game where Matt Flynn showed Wisconsin how quarterbacking is done in the 2011 season, you come back with Pack is 2-7-1 when Rodgers sits.

    3-6-1, not much better. 30% Win Percentage for the Packers when Rodgers isn't playing, compared to a 70% Win Percentage for the Patriots when Brady isn't playing.
    Poncier said:

    OK, saying Rodgers is the greatest QB of all time is fairly laughable, but Stave Carlton as the greatest baseball player. Dude, you're smoking something.

    In 1971 the Phillies won 67 games, Steve Carlton had 20 wins that year.
    In 1972 the Phillies won 59 games, Steve Carlton had 27 wins that year. (also 310 strikeouts and a 1.97 ERA.)
    He had 6 20-win seasons in his career, and for the most part played on a really bad team

    Bobby Abreu is also up there. Look at these OBPs over the years, so underrated: http://m.mlb.com/player/110029/bobby-abreu .
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  • eeriepadave
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    ehbacon said:

    Poncier said:

    ehbacon said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    Didn't the Pats go 4-1 without Brady this season? Hmmm.

    3-1 but that is very telling.


    In 2013 Rodgers missed 7 games, during which the team went 2-4-1. They ended up winning the division that year.
    What about here...

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320101009

    Kind of telling how well the Pack click on offense when they sit Rodgers for Matt Flynn.
    that was against the Lions. Lions were terrible and Matt Flynn was a great QB until he injured his arm. I don't understand why you ignore the much longer lasting, and more recent stat for one game?

    In Aaron Rodgers starting career, in the games he hasn't played (or was injured for the majority of) the Packers are 2-7-1. The games that Brady didn't play the Patriots are 14-6

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