Is BRADY The G.O.A.T.

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  • ehbacon
    ehbacon Posts: 1,972
    So reviewing those stats (factoring in the advantage given to Brady as stated above), there's no way you should think Brady is the better QB. Their passing stats are pretty even, Rodgers is better in some, Brady in others. The rushing stats are what puts Rodgers ahead of Brady, as he is just so much more mobile.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    ehbacon said:

    So reviewing those stats (factoring in the advantage given to Brady as stated above), there's no way you should think Brady is the better QB. Their passing stats are pretty even, Rodgers is better in some, Brady in others. The rushing stats are what puts Rodgers ahead of Brady, as he is just so much more mobile.

    Brady's "mediocre years," he won 3 Super Bowls. And despite Aaron's rushing prowess, how many Super Bowls has he played in? Tom had 3 in his first five years. And I would argue that Brady's ability to remain in the pocket and the quickness with which he assesses the field and releases the ball are far superior to QB rushing yards. No team wants their QB rushing the ball.
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  • ehbacon
    ehbacon Posts: 1,972
    edited February 2017
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    ehbacon said:

    So reviewing those stats (factoring in the advantage given to Brady as stated above), there's no way you should think Brady is the better QB. Their passing stats are pretty even, Rodgers is better in some, Brady in others. The rushing stats are what puts Rodgers ahead of Brady, as he is just so much more mobile.

    Brady's "mediocre years," he won 3 Super Bowls. And despite Aaron's rushing prowess, how many Super Bowls has he played in? Tom had 3 in his first five years. And I would argue that Brady's ability to remain in the pocket and the quickness with which he assesses the field and releases the ball are far superior to QB rushing yards. No team wants their QB rushing the ball.
    again with the idiotic belief that success=greatness. Brady's best QB rating from those seasons was 92.6, Rodgers' worst QB Rating was 92.7 two seasons ago. Rodgers only had 28 touchdowns in 2010 (his lowest season for touchdowns (I didn't include 2013 this time because he only played in 9 games)), which was the highest total TDs Brady had in the seasons not included.

    If I took Brady's first 9 season instead, the stats would've been well in Aaron's favor. So to avoid the shit storm I'd get from that, I gave Brady the advantage and Rodgers still had better stats.

    Bart Starr won 5 championships too, do you think he is better than Rodgers? Bradshaw had 4 super bowls, is he better than Rodgers too? You can for sure factor in success when thinking of a team's greatness, because success is a team thing. You can't factor in success in individual players, because it just isn't logical.
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  • SmallestOceans
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    Ahhh another casualty of the fantasy football epidemic. Sorry but...
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    SmallestOceans said:

    Ahhh another casualty of the fantasy football epidemic. Sorry but...
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  • ehbacon
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    Ok then.


    Bart Starr is the GOAT. He won just as many championships in less time than Brady. This means that he is better, because all that matters is final score right?

    Success = Team

    Greatness = Individual ability

    I have given you facts and stats that all prove that Aaron Rodgers is the superior quarterback, but if you can't even comprehend the difference between success and greatness then it's a lost cause.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,803
    ehbacon said:

    Ok then.


    Bart Starr is the GOAT. He won just as many championships in less time than Brady. This means that he is better, because all that matters is final score right?

    Success = Team

    Greatness = Individual ability

    I have given you facts and stats that all prove that Aaron Rodgers is the superior quarterback, but if you can't even comprehend the difference between success and greatness then it's a lost cause.

    I'm okay with my lost cause. 20 years from now, no one will remember Aaron Rodgers for his Hail Mary, scrambling ability or having "revolutionized the game." Tom Brady's name will be brought up during every super bowl until someone gets close to tying him or breaking his record. And that someone won't be Aaron Rodgers, forever in Tom's shadow.

    Laughable, Tom's not great?
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,498
    Someone that hasn't even been a starting QB for an entire decade yet is NOT the greatest QB of all time. Jesus Christ. Rodgers is good, but he's not the greatest of all time.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,264
    I would take Peyton Manning over Rodgers. Brady benefited from playing for the best coach ever in a great system. Peyton was the damn coach.
  • ehbacon
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    Stats are fine but stats alone don't determine greatness. If you are playing the game to earn stats you are playing the game wrong. You are playing to win the game, to win your division, to win your conference, and to win the Championship. The names that regularly come up in this discussion have competed for titles multiple times. Numbers are important but numbers alone don't determine greatness. Running up scores and yardage totals against weaker teams doesn't determine it. What you do against the toughest competition, with titles and legacies on the line, is what determines historic greatness. Brady is on that list. So are Montana, Manning and a few others. Rodgers might someday be on it, too, but he isn't yet.
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,498
    And here I thought Joe Buck was in love with Rodgers...
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  • ehbacon
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    JimmyV said:

    Stats are fine but stats alone don't determine greatness. If you are playing the game to earn stats you are playing the game wrong. You are playing to win the game, to win your division, to win your conference, and to win the Championship. The names that regularly come up in this discussion have competed for titles multiple times. Numbers are important but numbers alone don't determine greatness. Running up scores and yardage totals against weaker teams doesn't determine it. What you do against the toughest competition, with titles and legacies on the line, is what determines historic greatness. Brady is on that list. So are Montana, Manning and a few others. Rodgers might someday be on it, too, but he isn't yet.

    A.) I would agree if we were comparing game stats, but career stats are a great representation of talent.
    B.) The Packers never run up the score on teams. We are known for our prevent [nothing] strategy, when we get the lead we try to run out the clock as much as possible even though it never works.
    C.) Rodgers has put up better numbers than Brady in playoff games. Thus proving yet again that if Brady was on the Packers, we would be even less successful than we already have been in the playoffs.
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,498
    edited February 2017
    ehbacon said:

    JimmyV said:

    Stats are fine but stats alone don't determine greatness. If you are playing the game to earn stats you are playing the game wrong. You are playing to win the game, to win your division, to win your conference, and to win the Championship. The names that regularly come up in this discussion have competed for titles multiple times. Numbers are important but numbers alone don't determine greatness. Running up scores and yardage totals against weaker teams doesn't determine it. What you do against the toughest competition, with titles and legacies on the line, is what determines historic greatness. Brady is on that list. So are Montana, Manning and a few others. Rodgers might someday be on it, too, but he isn't yet.

    A.) I would agree if we were comparing game stats, but career stats are a great representation of talent.
    B.) The Packers never run up the score on teams. We are known for our prevent [nothing] strategy, when we get the lead we try to run out the clock as much as possible even though it never works.
    C.) Rodgers has put up better numbers than Brady in playoff games. Thus proving yet again that if Brady was on the Packers, we would be even less successful than we already have been in the playoffs.
    That's not how it works. You can't just compare statistics on paper and say it "proves" anything. All other variables must be equal.
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  • ehbacon
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    Ok let's do a hypothetical for a second then. If Aaron Rodgers is a Patriot instead of Brady, you don't think that he would get 5 rings? Do you think if Brady is on the Packers he gets a single ring?

    Wins is a team stat, has no impact on this conversation. The Brady circle jerk is strong now thoughn, so even when you point out how wrong people are about it they won't accept jt.
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  • ed243421
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    Aaron rogers last 6 playoff losses:

    2012- giants - 264 yds 2 td 1 int

    2013- 49ers - 257 yds 2 td 1 int

    2014- 49ers - 177 yds 1td 0 int

    2015- Seattle- 178 yds 1 td 2 int

    2016- cardinals- 261 yds 2 td 1 int

    2017- falcons - 287 yds 3 td 1 int



    He lost to Colin kaepernick twice.

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  • CantKeepmedown
    CantKeepmedown Portland, Maine Posts: 3,124
    Unfortunately, success matters. Rodgers is a great QB but I think he needs at least 1 more SB to get into the conversation as an all time great. There's a reason why Marino is never brought up in that conversation. It may not be fair, but it's true.



  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,947
    ed243421 said:





    He lost to Colin kaepernick twice.

    Thus ends this argument.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    I loved watching Michael Jordan. He probably gets my vote for basketball's Greatest Of All Time. His stats are not the reason why. What he did consistently in May and June is. Had Jordan only made a handful of conference finals, had he only won one title, his legacy and my view of him would both be quite different. That is the stage on which the question of all-time greatness is decided.
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  • Poncier
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    Jordan and Brady have a similar drive and determination that is rare.
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