Text of Muslim Ban Executive Order in a few posts

JC29856

PJ_Soul said:

JC29856 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Apparently they think they can now distract people by focusing on the word "ban". Too late - the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube. We all know what the "ban" has done and is doing and will do. It doesn't fucking matter if they call it a ban or not. All that matters is the effect it's having on people and companies and schools, etc, and everyone is paying close attention to that. Bitching about semantics isn't going to work this time mofos.

Companies and schools? What effect?
We can't even get a solid number on those detained at airports.

Here is what the CEO of Google says about it. This kind of concern is being felt by many, many US businesses, and many business around the world. http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/28/google-chief-sundar-pichai-chides-trump-over-immigration-order-affecting-nearly-200-staffers.html

And here is an article about how it impacts universities when it comes to all their international students from those countries (I work at a university and I have already talked to two colleague who personally know someone who is (was) studying/participating in research work in the US who have been unable to reenter. The effects of Trump's ban have been serious and immediate for many people. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/universities-grappling-with-impact-of-trumps-refugee-ban/2017/01/29/a8adfcea-e639-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.cba92295c58b

At the university I work at alone, 450 students plus many faculty, researchers and staff who have been directly affected by the ban, and we're just a medium sized university with 20,000 students or so. The ban is disrupting international studies, work placements, competitions, field visits, research partnerships, conference participation, and family relationships. Universities have global relationships, so yeah, the impact is definitely being felt.

After a few days of reading about the impact of the ban, the full scope still yet to be determined, I've realized it's actually much worse than I originally thought, especially with respect to students teachers and educational institutions as a whole. This is undoubtedly trumps biggest mistake, one in which he should admit and move on. If Trump is set on some sort of ban, he should at least exclude students and teachers. Someone made an excellent point about foreign students being the greatest ambassadors for the US and the potential impact there experiences/messages have versus say tv news.
I'm glad you offered up the point about students, I would have never even considered the impact.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/01/30/higher-education-leaders-denounce-trumps-travel-ban

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/514925/

Go Beavers

JC29856 said:

PJ_Soul said:

JC29856 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Apparently they think they can now distract people by focusing on the word "ban". Too late - the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube. We all know what the "ban" has done and is doing and will do. It doesn't fucking matter if they call it a ban or not. All that matters is the effect it's having on people and companies and schools, etc, and everyone is paying close attention to that. Bitching about semantics isn't going to work this time mofos.

Companies and schools? What effect?
We can't even get a solid number on those detained at airports.

Here is what the CEO of Google says about it. This kind of concern is being felt by many, many US businesses, and many business around the world. http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/28/google-chief-sundar-pichai-chides-trump-over-immigration-order-affecting-nearly-200-staffers.html

And here is an article about how it impacts universities when it comes to all their international students from those countries (I work at a university and I have already talked to two colleague who personally know someone who is (was) studying/participating in research work in the US who have been unable to reenter. The effects of Trump's ban have been serious and immediate for many people. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/universities-grappling-with-impact-of-trumps-refugee-ban/2017/01/29/a8adfcea-e639-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.cba92295c58b

At the university I work at alone, 450 students plus many faculty, researchers and staff who have been directly affected by the ban, and we're just a medium sized university with 20,000 students or so. The ban is disrupting international studies, work placements, competitions, field visits, research partnerships, conference participation, and family relationships. Universities have global relationships, so yeah, the impact is definitely being felt.

After a few days of reading about the impact of the ban, the full scope still yet to be determined, I've realized it's actually much worse than I originally thought, especially with respect to students teachers and educational institutions as a whole. This is undoubtedly trumps biggest mistake, one in which he should admit and move on. If Trump is set on some sort of ban, he should at least exclude students and teachers. Someone made an excellent point about foreign students being the greatest ambassadors for the US and the potential impact there experiences/messages have versus say tv news.
I'm glad you offered up the point about students, I would have never even considered the impact.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/01/30/higher-education-leaders-denounce-trumps-travel-ban

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/514925/

Brain drain is something people should really be thinking about. We want to attract motivated and bright people from around the globe, not repel them to look elsewhere.

dignin

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

PJ_Soul said:

JC29856 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Apparently they think they can now distract people by focusing on the word "ban". Too late - the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube. We all know what the "ban" has done and is doing and will do. It doesn't fucking matter if they call it a ban or not. All that matters is the effect it's having on people and companies and schools, etc, and everyone is paying close attention to that. Bitching about semantics isn't going to work this time mofos.

Companies and schools? What effect?
We can't even get a solid number on those detained at airports.

Here is what the CEO of Google says about it. This kind of concern is being felt by many, many US businesses, and many business around the world. http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/28/google-chief-sundar-pichai-chides-trump-over-immigration-order-affecting-nearly-200-staffers.html

And here is an article about how it impacts universities when it comes to all their international students from those countries (I work at a university and I have already talked to two colleague who personally know someone who is (was) studying/participating in research work in the US who have been unable to reenter. The effects of Trump's ban have been serious and immediate for many people. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/universities-grappling-with-impact-of-trumps-refugee-ban/2017/01/29/a8adfcea-e639-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.cba92295c58b

At the university I work at alone, 450 students plus many faculty, researchers and staff who have been directly affected by the ban, and we're just a medium sized university with 20,000 students or so. The ban is disrupting international studies, work placements, competitions, field visits, research partnerships, conference participation, and family relationships. Universities have global relationships, so yeah, the impact is definitely being felt.

After a few days of reading about the impact of the ban, the full scope still yet to be determined, I've realized it's actually much worse than I originally thought, especially with respect to students teachers and educational institutions as a whole. This is undoubtedly trumps biggest mistake, one in which he should admit and move on. If Trump is set on some sort of ban, he should at least exclude students and teachers. Someone made an excellent point about foreign students being the greatest ambassadors for the US and the potential impact there experiences/messages have versus say tv news.
I'm glad you offered up the point about students, I would have never even considered the impact.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/01/30/higher-education-leaders-denounce-trumps-travel-ban

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/514925/

Brain drain is something people should really be thinking about. We want to attract motivated and bright people from around the globe, not repel them to look elsewhere.

Apparently Canadian universities have seen a huge increase in foreign applicants.

Our big university here in Calgary has waived application fee's for foreign students.

Could U.S. uncertainty mean more foreign-student cash for Canada?
Number of U.S. students applying to Canada for next fall has soared

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/canada-foreign-student-cash-us-uncertainty-1.3964602


http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/u-s-students-affected-by-trump-s-travel-ban-look-to-canadian-universities-1.3270350

dignin

Bad for business.

Apple, Facebook and 95 others join legal fight against Trump travel ban

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/05/technology/trump-travel-ban-tech-companies-legal-brief/index.html

HughFreakingDillon

I still love how Spicer and the rest of Trump's team keep insisting it isn't a ban, and every second tweet from The Great Pumpkin specifically calls it a ban.

unsung

It is a ban from seven countries, not based on religion. There are also exceptions for certain individuals.

It is not the first time this has been done. It is just the first time that anyone here has cared about it.

mfc2006

It's not just a ban...it's a bigly ban.

Bentleyspop

mfc2006 said:

It's not just a ban...it's a bigly ban.

Yugely bigly

Go Beavers

unsung said:

It is a ban from seven countries, not based on religion. There are also exceptions for certain individuals.

It is not the first time this has been done. It is just the first time that anyone here has cared about it.

trump has said it's about religion and has used the term Muslim ban. This now gets to be brought into court as part of the argument.

dignin

22 refugees entered Manitoba near Emerson border over the weekend
Number of asylum seekers walking from U.S. to the province continues to grow

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/22-refugees-enter-manitoba-1.3969874

Drowned Out

My daughter told me last night that her jr high school band is supposed to go to DC (from Canada) for some event....one of the students in the band has a Sudanese passport, and now can't go....what total horseshit.

dignin

Drowned Out said:

My daughter told me last night that her jr high school band is supposed to go to DC (from Canada) for some event....one of the students in the band has a Sudanese passport, and now can't go....what total horseshit.

What instrument does he/she play? Depending on the answer, he/she may be a terrorist.

dignin

unsung

Drowned Out said:

My daughter told me last night that her jr high school band is supposed to go to DC (from Canada) for some event....one of the students in the band has a Sudanese passport, and now can't go....what total horseshit.

There are exceptions that can be requested.

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

It is a ban from seven countries, not based on religion. There are also exceptions for certain individuals.

It is not the first time this has been done. It is just the first time that anyone here has cared about it.

again, you are wrong. Rudy Giuliani, the architect of this ban, went on record on VIDEO stating Trump asked him point blank how to legally ban muslims from entering the US. You simply cannot dispute that.

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

Drowned Out said:

My daughter told me last night that her jr high school band is supposed to go to DC (from Canada) for some event....one of the students in the band has a Sudanese passport, and now can't go....what total horseshit.

There are exceptions that can be requested.

you are becoming a real trumpologist lately.

unsung

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

Drowned Out said:

My daughter told me last night that her jr high school band is supposed to go to DC (from Canada) for some event....one of the students in the band has a Sudanese passport, and now can't go....what total horseshit.

There are exceptions that can be requested.

you are becoming a real trumpologist lately.

Whatever. I am noting facts, unlike many in this thread.

unsung

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

It is a ban from seven countries, not based on religion. There are also exceptions for certain individuals.

It is not the first time this has been done. It is just the first time that anyone here has cared about it.

again, you are wrong. Rudy Giuliani, the architect of this ban, went on record on VIDEO stating Trump asked him point blank how to legally ban muslims from entering the US. You simply cannot dispute that.

I can if it is all people, minus the exceptions, from these countries. It is a pretty simple concept.

Go Beavers

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

Drowned Out said:

My daughter told me last night that her jr high school band is supposed to go to DC (from Canada) for some event....one of the students in the band has a Sudanese passport, and now can't go....what total horseshit.

There are exceptions that can be requested.

you are becoming a real trumpologist lately.

Whatever. I am noting facts, unlike many in this thread.

No one said it's not a fact. It's apologist.

unsung

So are you telling me when a person tries to board a flight or go through customs they are not asked for a passport but instead what religion they are?