Text of Muslim Ban Executive Order in a few posts

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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,040
    My daughter told me last night that her jr high school band is supposed to go to DC (from Canada) for some event....one of the students in the band has a Sudanese passport, and now can't go....what total horseshit.
  • dignindignin Posts: 6,694
    edited February 2017

    My daughter told me last night that her jr high school band is supposed to go to DC (from Canada) for some event....one of the students in the band has a Sudanese passport, and now can't go....what total horseshit.

    What instrument does he/she play? Depending on the answer, he/she may be a terrorist.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485

    My daughter told me last night that her jr high school band is supposed to go to DC (from Canada) for some event....one of the students in the band has a Sudanese passport, and now can't go....what total horseshit.

    There are exceptions that can be requested.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,612
    unsung said:

    It is a ban from seven countries, not based on religion. There are also exceptions for certain individuals.

    It is not the first time this has been done. It is just the first time that anyone here has cared about it.

    again, you are wrong. Rudy Giuliani, the architect of this ban, went on record on VIDEO stating Trump asked him point blank how to legally ban muslims from entering the US. You simply cannot dispute that.
    “And the danger is that in this move toward new horizons and far directions, that I may lose what I have now, and not find anything except loneliness.”
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,612
    unsung said:

    My daughter told me last night that her jr high school band is supposed to go to DC (from Canada) for some event....one of the students in the band has a Sudanese passport, and now can't go....what total horseshit.

    There are exceptions that can be requested.
    you are becoming a real trumpologist lately.
    “And the danger is that in this move toward new horizons and far directions, that I may lose what I have now, and not find anything except loneliness.”
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485

    unsung said:

    My daughter told me last night that her jr high school band is supposed to go to DC (from Canada) for some event....one of the students in the band has a Sudanese passport, and now can't go....what total horseshit.

    There are exceptions that can be requested.
    you are becoming a real trumpologist lately.
    Whatever. I am noting facts, unlike many in this thread.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485

    unsung said:

    It is a ban from seven countries, not based on religion. There are also exceptions for certain individuals.

    It is not the first time this has been done. It is just the first time that anyone here has cared about it.

    again, you are wrong. Rudy Giuliani, the architect of this ban, went on record on VIDEO stating Trump asked him point blank how to legally ban muslims from entering the US. You simply cannot dispute that.
    I can if it is all people, minus the exceptions, from these countries. It is a pretty simple concept.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,073
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    My daughter told me last night that her jr high school band is supposed to go to DC (from Canada) for some event....one of the students in the band has a Sudanese passport, and now can't go....what total horseshit.

    There are exceptions that can be requested.
    you are becoming a real trumpologist lately.
    Whatever. I am noting facts, unlike many in this thread.
    No one said it's not a fact. It's apologist.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    edited February 2017
    So are you telling me when a person tries to board a flight or go through customs they are not asked for a passport but instead what religion they are?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,612
    unsung said:

    So are you telling me when a person tries to board a flight or go through customs they are not asked for a passport but instead what religion they are?

    the intent behind it is clear, and has been stated by the person who constructed the ban. FACT.
    “And the danger is that in this move toward new horizons and far directions, that I may lose what I have now, and not find anything except loneliness.”
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    edited February 2017

    unsung said:

    So are you telling me when a person tries to board a flight or go through customs they are not asked for a passport but instead what religion they are?

    the intent behind it is clear, and has been stated by the person who constructed the ban. FACT.
    You didn't answer the question.

    If the people are being asked their religion it is an issue. But if their passports are the deciding document then there is not.

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,612
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    So are you telling me when a person tries to board a flight or go through customs they are not asked for a passport but instead what religion they are?

    the intent behind it is clear, and has been stated by the person who constructed the ban. FACT.
    You didn't answer the question.

    If the people are being asked their religion it is an issue. But if their passports are the deciding document then there is not.

    it's the wrong question. during the ban, NO ONE was being permitted to board a flight from any of those countries. the people being detained who were already en route were asked their religion, and their thoughts on Trump as president.

    and, the ban document reads that exceptions will be made for those being persecuted for their religion, but ONLY IF THEIR RELIGION IS A MINORITY IN THEIR REGION. what do you think that means? that means no exceptions will be made for muslims, only christians.

    come on, man, you can't seriously believe this shit the right is feeding you?
    “And the danger is that in this move toward new horizons and far directions, that I may lose what I have now, and not find anything except loneliness.”
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    Right is feeding me? Sorry bud, I don't watch TV.

    I fully support a ban, based on home country. It is long overdue and hasn't gone far enough.

    But I am also the guy that would eliminate all foreign aid and bring our troops home. All of them.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,612
    unsung said:

    Right is feeding me? Sorry bud, I don't watch TV.

    I fully support a ban, based on home country. It is long overdue and hasn't gone far enough.

    But I am also the guy that would eliminate all foreign aid and bring our troops home. All of them.

    I see you didn't address any of the other content that proved you were incorrect.
    “And the danger is that in this move toward new horizons and far directions, that I may lose what I have now, and not find anything except loneliness.”
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    edited February 2017
    We've been down this path. I don't care what Rudy 9/11 says or thinks. It won't matter in court.

  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,073
    unsung said:

    We've been down this path. I don't care what Rudy 9/11 says or thinks. It won't matter in court.

    What trump has said will absolutely be a factor in court.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 31,202

    unsung said:

    We've been down this path. I don't care what Rudy 9/11 says or thinks. It won't matter in court.

    What trump has said will absolutely be a factor in court.
    fact.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    We will see.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 31,202
    unsung said:

    We will see.

    we can agree on that much at least. time will tell. no one person is above the law.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 6,694
    Last weeks episode of This American Life is pretty heartbreaking.

    This week we document what happened when the President’s executive order went into effect temporarily banning travel from seven countries, and we talk about the way it was implemented. A major policy change thrown into the world like a fastball with no warning. It’s hard not to ask: “What just happened? What was that all about?”

    https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/609/it’s-working-out-very-nicely
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,612
    unsung said:

    We've been down this path. I don't care what Rudy 9/11 says or thinks. It won't matter in court.

    I know the facts are inconvenient to your opinion.
    “And the danger is that in this move toward new horizons and far directions, that I may lose what I have now, and not find anything except loneliness.”
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,073
    unsung said:

    We will see.

    If/when they argue as to whether the EO is constitutional or not, an AG will argue that discriminating based on religion is unconstitutional.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 31,202

    unsung said:

    We will see.

    If/when they argue as to whether the EO is constitutional or not, an AG will argue that discriminating based on religion is unconstitutional.
    Bingo.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485

    unsung said:

    We will see.

    If/when they argue as to whether the EO is constitutional or not, an AG will argue that discriminating based on religion is unconstitutional.
    Well maybe they can revise it to include SA and other terrorist breeding grounds. Up the count to 40 or so.
  • dignindignin Posts: 6,694
    Great news

    9th Circuit rules against reinstating travel ban

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/09/politics/travel-ban-9th-circuit-ruling/index.html?adkey=bn
  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 31,202
    dignin said:
    awesome news
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  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DCPosts: 6,970
    On the ACLU WA (@ACLU_WA) Twitter feed one post (6:28 pm (EST), 09 Feb 17) includes the write-up of the decision. Its an interesting read. I skimmed it because of all the previous case listings.
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 31,202
    Ms. Haiku said:

    On the ACLU WA (@ACLU_WA) Twitter feed one post (6:28 pm (EST), 09 Feb 17) includes the write-up of the decision. Its an interesting read. I skimmed it because of all the previous case listings.

    thanks for the heads-up! reading it now
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