Text of Muslim Ban Executive Order in a few posts

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,760
    Bentleyspop said:

    dignin said:

    Heard she has been fired.

    Trump fires defiant acting attorney general
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-immigration-executive-order-234401
    Hopefully people will follow her lead.... and join together to start the resistance.... That sounds like a cheezy movie line; I can't believe it's actually a statement that now has real meaning. Crazy times.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    edited January 2017
    PJ_Soul said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    dignin said:

    Heard she has been fired.

    Trump fires defiant acting attorney general
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-immigration-executive-order-234401
    Hopefully people will follow her lead.... and join together to start the resistance.... That sounds like a cheezy movie line; I can't believe it's actually a statement that now has real meaning. Crazy times.
    I'm picturing courts will be busy everywhere, because that's where a lot of the formalized resistance will happen. State's and cities are already suing, and State Supreme Courts and AGs will be pushing back on mandates from the White House.
    Post edited by Go Beavers on
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    I wouldn't have believed this actually happened given what happened yesterday. Watch the whole thing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqz0eiIf1Uw

  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Kat said:

    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.

    Legal precedent is not on the side of immigrants. I'm not sure what trumps "in the interest of national security", spying on Americans hasnt, habeas corpus hasn't and drone killing American citizens hasn't, good luck with immigrant vetting.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,760
    edited January 2017
    Kat said:

    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.

    Yeah.... such resistance doesn't seem to be working so far though, does it? They're completely ignoring the courts so far, fired the AG, set up Bannon on the National Security Council, has fired all kinds of experienced people from the Justice Department to create chaos, etc etc. TBH, I actually figured the President had less power than I'm discovering he has. A bunch of Americans have been saying for months that Trump/the POTUS can't just pull shit that will directly affect people (aside from pushing the buttons, basically) without checks and balances and debate. They kept saying some of us were paranoid.... well, those people were obviously mistaken in some regards.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    unsung said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Ms. Haiku said:

    Heather Richardson, Professor of History, Boston College wrote in a Twitter thread that this Executive Order is a "shock event." That it causes chaos to ultimately get what Trump wants which is Sessions elected. She has a long Twitter thread for this, but this following tweet is part of it.

    https://twitter.com/womanistpsych
    Jefferson Sessions being received as the acceptable one, as head of DOJ, to restore order to Bannon's generated chaos is one of the setups.

    Do you think this is a shock event, and that Sessions as AG could be the goal?

    I'm not completely convinced that this is a "shock event." It looks like Trump is doing what he said he would do. I think the Executive Order for the wall could be considered a shock event as well, but putting a wall up was part of his presidential campaign.


    So was banning Muslims.
    Fake news. Muslims are not banned.
    According to JC, 12% of muslims are banned.
    Based on country, not religion.

    Countries that Obama picked.

    None of you protested when he froze visas.
    did you happen to see Guiliani's interview? he stated precisely that Trump asked him how to legally construct a muslim ban. he said it more than once, that yes, this is indeed a muslim ban. and it was guiliani's making.
    No, but I really don't care about what Rudy 9/11 has to say.
    then you aren't informed. he's the one who came up with the plan, and he stated on the record that trump asked him to implement a muslim ban.
    If you say so, I just don't spend much capital on his opinion.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Kat said:

    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    Remember that C word the next time you talk about my gun rights.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    JC29856 said:

    Kat said:

    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.

    Legal precedent is not on the side of immigrants. I'm not sure what trumps "in the interest of national security", spying on Americans hasnt, habeas corpus hasn't and drone killing American citizens hasn't, good luck with immigrant vetting.
    Then you should pass that along to all the attorneys working on their court filings in opposition.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,771
    unsung said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    unsung said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Ms. Haiku said:

    Heather Richardson, Professor of History, Boston College wrote in a Twitter thread that this Executive Order is a "shock event." That it causes chaos to ultimately get what Trump wants which is Sessions elected. She has a long Twitter thread for this, but this following tweet is part of it.

    https://twitter.com/womanistpsych
    Jefferson Sessions being received as the acceptable one, as head of DOJ, to restore order to Bannon's generated chaos is one of the setups.

    Do you think this is a shock event, and that Sessions as AG could be the goal?

    I'm not completely convinced that this is a "shock event." It looks like Trump is doing what he said he would do. I think the Executive Order for the wall could be considered a shock event as well, but putting a wall up was part of his presidential campaign.


    So was banning Muslims.
    Fake news. Muslims are not banned.
    According to JC, 12% of muslims are banned.
    Based on country, not religion.

    Countries that Obama picked.

    None of you protested when he froze visas.
    did you happen to see Guiliani's interview? he stated precisely that Trump asked him how to legally construct a muslim ban. he said it more than once, that yes, this is indeed a muslim ban. and it was guiliani's making.
    No, but I really don't care about what Rudy 9/11 has to say.
    then you aren't informed. he's the one who came up with the plan, and he stated on the record that trump asked him to implement a muslim ban.
    If you say so, I just don't spend much capital on his opinion.
    it wasn't his "opinion".
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    unsung said:

    Kat said:

    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    Remember that C word the next time you talk about my gun rights.
    The Constitution has always been a work in progress...the experiment that is America...that is slipping way.
    I mourn 93 additional dead Americans today.
    There is a reasonable place between someone's right to have guns and people's right to be safe and not be victimized. One doesn't trump the other and the founding fathers never imagined what's going on today.
    https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/

    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    Unsung's convinced himself he's in the militia so he can cover his bases in a gun ownership argument.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Kat said:

    unsung said:

    Kat said:

    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    Remember that C word the next time you talk about my gun rights.
    The Constitution has always been a work in progress...the experiment that is America...that is slipping way.
    I mourn 93 additional dead Americans today.
    There is a reasonable place between someone's right to have guns and people's right to be safe and not be victimized. One doesn't trump the other and the founding fathers never imagined what's going on today.
    https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/

    Exactly. Your feelings don't trump my rights.

    I am guessing the founding fathers never anticipated more than two genders either.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited January 2017
    Kat said:

    unsung said:

    Kat said:

    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    Remember that C word the next time you talk about my gun rights.
    The Constitution has always been a work in progress...the experiment that is America...that is slipping way.
    I mourn 93 additional dead Americans today.
    There is a reasonable place between someone's right to have guns and people's right to be safe and not be victimized. One doesn't trump the other and the founding fathers never imagined what's going on today.
    https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/

    I disagree and think that our founding fathers faced much more dire circumstances than we face today in our cushy little America. Not to mention having to deal with Muslim Pirates during the Barbary Wars...
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    unsung said:

    Kat said:

    unsung said:

    Kat said:

    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    Remember that C word the next time you talk about my gun rights.
    The Constitution has always been a work in progress...the experiment that is America...that is slipping way.
    I mourn 93 additional dead Americans today.
    There is a reasonable place between someone's right to have guns and people's right to be safe and not be victimized. One doesn't trump the other and the founding fathers never imagined what's going on today.
    https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/

    Exactly. Your feelings don't trump my rights.

    I am guessing the founding fathers never anticipated more than two genders either.
    They didn't anticipate every change, but allowed for change at the same time. They probably figured we'd always have a need for a militia, and that women wouldn't ever be voting.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    unsung said:

    Kat said:

    unsung said:

    Kat said:

    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    Remember that C word the next time you talk about my gun rights.
    The Constitution has always been a work in progress...the experiment that is America...that is slipping way.
    I mourn 93 additional dead Americans today.
    There is a reasonable place between someone's right to have guns and people's right to be safe and not be victimized. One doesn't trump the other and the founding fathers never imagined what's going on today.
    https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/

    Exactly. Your feelings don't trump my rights.

    I am guessing the founding fathers never anticipated more than two genders either.
    Mischaracterizing my rights as feelings doesn't contribute to an honest discussion. I'm done.
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Go Beavers said:

    JC29856 said:

    Kat said:

    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.

    Legal precedent is not on the side of immigrants. I'm not sure what trumps "in the interest of national security", spying on Americans hasnt, habeas corpus hasn't and drone killing American citizens hasn't, good luck with immigrant vetting.
    Then you should pass that along to all the attorneys working on their court filings in opposition.
    I didn't say it can't or shouldn't be challenged, I'm saying illegal spying and data collecting, allegations and trials for the accused and killing americans all have been litigated and defeated by the "national security".
    Like I said earlier let's wait and see how these lawsuits turn out.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    JC29856 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    JC29856 said:

    Kat said:

    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.

    Legal precedent is not on the side of immigrants. I'm not sure what trumps "in the interest of national security", spying on Americans hasnt, habeas corpus hasn't and drone killing American citizens hasn't, good luck with immigrant vetting.
    Then you should pass that along to all the attorneys working on their court filings in opposition.
    I didn't say it can't or shouldn't be challenged, I'm saying illegal spying and data collecting, allegations and trials for the accused and killing americans all have been litigated and defeated by the "national security".
    Like I said earlier let's wait and see how these lawsuits turn out.
    I think you said legal precedent isn't on the side of immigrants.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited January 2017
    Go Beavers said:

    JC29856 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    JC29856 said:

    Kat said:

    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.

    Legal precedent is not on the side of immigrants. I'm not sure what trumps "in the interest of national security", spying on Americans hasnt, habeas corpus hasn't and drone killing American citizens hasn't, good luck with immigrant vetting.
    Then you should pass that along to all the attorneys working on their court filings in opposition.
    I didn't say it can't or shouldn't be challenged, I'm saying illegal spying and data collecting, allegations and trials for the accused and killing americans all have been litigated and defeated by the "national security".
    Like I said earlier let's wait and see how these lawsuits turn out.
    I think you said legal precedent isn't on the side of immigrants.
    I did...I read a bunch today. If I can find it I'll post. At quick glance I couldn't dig it up.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Kat said:

    unsung said:

    Kat said:

    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    Remember that C word the next time you talk about my gun rights.
    The Constitution has always been a work in progress...the experiment that is America...that is slipping way.
    I mourn 93 additional dead Americans today.
    There is a reasonable place between someone's right to have guns and people's right to be safe and not be victimized. One doesn't trump the other and the founding fathers never imagined what's going on today.
    https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/

    Exactly. Your feelings don't trump my rights.

    I am guessing the founding fathers never anticipated more than two genders either.
    They didn't anticipate every change, but allowed for change at the same time. They probably figured we'd always have a need for a militia, and that women wouldn't ever be voting.
    They did a pretty good job with some misgivings that have been adjusted through the amendment process.

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