Text of Muslim Ban Executive Order in a few posts

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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    Kat said:

    unsung said:

    Kat said:

    unsung said:

    Kat said:

    Yes, it looks like it'll be up to the Judicial Branch to be the firewall to protect the Constitution and our Bill of Rights, etc. Next we'll be hearing about how all the judges and lawyers are sleazy, bought off, etc. The administration will attempt to undermine those tell them they're doing it all wrong.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    Remember that C word the next time you talk about my gun rights.
    The Constitution has always been a work in progress...the experiment that is America...that is slipping way.
    I mourn 93 additional dead Americans today.
    There is a reasonable place between someone's right to have guns and people's right to be safe and not be victimized. One doesn't trump the other and the founding fathers never imagined what's going on today.
    https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/

    Exactly. Your feelings don't trump my rights.

    I am guessing the founding fathers never anticipated more than two genders either.
    Mischaracterizing my rights as feelings doesn't contribute to an honest discussion. I'm done.
    Well, ok.
  • It's not a ban.
    White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer is insisting President Donald Trump's immigration order should not be referred to as a travel "ban." That's despite the fact the president has called it that himself.
    Spicer says during a press briefing that, "When we use words like travel ban that misrepresents what it is." He says "a ban would mean people can't get in."
    Trump's policy bars the entry of nationals from seven majority-Muslim countries for 90 days and temporarily suspends the country's refugee program.
    Trump himself referred to his order as "the ban" in a Monday tweet.
    Spicer says Trump was only using the media's words.

    http://www.nptelegraph.com/news/politics/the-latest-spicer-says-travel-ban-shouldn-t-be-called/article_f8fc9f77-3521-5866-8d98-75aafc605074.html
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 44,685
    Apparently they think they can now distract people by focusing on the word "ban". Too late - the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube. We all know what the "ban" has done and is doing and will do. It doesn't fucking matter if they call it a ban or not. All that matters is the effect it's having on people and companies and schools, etc, and everyone is paying close attention to that. Bitching about semantics isn't going to work this time mofos.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PJ_Soul said:

    Apparently they think they can now distract people by focusing on the word "ban". Too late - the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube. We all know what the "ban" has done and is doing and will do. It doesn't fucking matter if they call it a ban or not. All that matters is the effect it's having on people and companies and schools, etc, and everyone is paying close attention to that. Bitching about semantics isn't going to work this time mofos.

    Companies and schools? What effect?
    We can't even get a solid number on those detained at airports.
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  • Why can't they just call it the 12%?
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  • Why can't they just call it the 12%?

    Before you post make sure you do your homework.
    It is the 12.2%.
    cmon man,
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • Why can't they just call it the 12%?

    Before you post make sure you do your homework.
    It is the 12.2%.
    cmon man,
    I stand corrected.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Kissinger: Before the Freedom of Information Act, I used to say at
    meetings, "The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a
    little longer." [laughter] But since the Freedom of Information Act,
    I'm afraid to say things like that.
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    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Liz Warren
    Let me repeat: the @POTUS fired the nation’s top law enforcement officer for refusing to defend an illegal, unconstitutional, immoral order.
    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
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    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited February 2017
    https://theintercept.com/2016/06/22/dramatic-house-sit-in-on-guns-is-undercut-by-focus-on-secret-racist-watchlist/

    Is this "profiling"?
    I wonder what happened to the innocent people that were on this no fly list when they tried to board a flight?

    https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/what-do-if-you-think-youre-no-fly-list
    Post edited by JC29856 on
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    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 44,685
    edited February 2017
    JC29856 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Apparently they think they can now distract people by focusing on the word "ban". Too late - the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube. We all know what the "ban" has done and is doing and will do. It doesn't fucking matter if they call it a ban or not. All that matters is the effect it's having on people and companies and schools, etc, and everyone is paying close attention to that. Bitching about semantics isn't going to work this time mofos.

    Companies and schools? What effect?
    We can't even get a solid number on those detained at airports.

    Here is what the CEO of Google says about it. This kind of concern is being felt by many, many US businesses, and many business around the world. http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/28/google-chief-sundar-pichai-chides-trump-over-immigration-order-affecting-nearly-200-staffers.html

    And here is an article about how it impacts universities when it comes to all their international students from those countries (I work at a university and I have already talked to two colleague who personally know someone who is (was) studying/participating in research work in the US who have been unable to reenter. The effects of Trump's ban have been serious and immediate for many people. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/universities-grappling-with-impact-of-trumps-refugee-ban/2017/01/29/a8adfcea-e639-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.cba92295c58b

    At the university I work at alone, 450 students plus many faculty, researchers and staff who have been directly affected by the ban, and we're just a medium sized university with 20,000 students or so. The ban is disrupting international studies, work placements, competitions, field visits, research partnerships, conference participation, and family relationships. Universities have global relationships, so yeah, the impact is definitely being felt.
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  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DCPosts: 6,977
    edited February 2017
    I read the following on the ACLU Nationwide Facebook feed:

    50 ACLU affiliates filed 18 coordinated Freedom of Information Act requests today with local U.S. Customs and Border Protection offices to expose how Trump administration officials are interpreting and executing the president’s Muslim ban at over 55 international airports across the country, acting in violation of federal courts that ordered a stay on the ban’s implementation.

    “It is imperative that the public learn if federal immigration officials are blatantly defying nationwide federal court orders that block President Trump’s unconstitutional Muslim ban,” said Mitra Ebadolahi, Border Litigation Project Staff Attorney with the ACLU of San Diego and Imperial Counties. “To shed light on this critical issue of pressing public concern, 50 ACLU affiliates are using the Freedom of Information Act to expose Customs and Border Protection’s abuse of power.”

    Media reports indicate that CBP officials detained and deported individuals, even after federal courts ordered officials to stop enforcing the executive order following a court challenge from the ACLU and other organizations.

    The Trump administration has yet to inform the public of how many refugees, visa holders, and legal permanent residents have been affected by this action.

    The following ACLU affiliates participated in this coordinated FOIA filing:
    Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Northern California, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, San Diego, California, South Carolina, Southern California, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, Washington, D.C., West Virginia, Wisconsin
    Post edited by Ms. Haiku on
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,079
    dignin said:
    Best news all week! Thank you, US Constitution
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,270

    dignin said:
    Best news all week! Thank you, US Constitution
    Shhhh! You'll disturb the Don's beauty sleep. He's had a fascist last two weeks and is trying to rest at the "winter" WH.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 5,811

    dignin said:
    Best news all week! Thank you, US Constitution
    Andy Borowitz.....

    BREAKING: Trump Asks What This 'Constitution' Thing Is That People Keep Bringing Up
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,270

    dignin said:
    Best news all week! Thank you, US Constitution
    Andy Borowitz.....

    BREAKING: Trump Asks What This 'Constitution' Thing Is That People Keep Bringing Up
    He's been pretty on point with the satire.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DCPosts: 6,977
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited February 2017
    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Apparently they think they can now distract people by focusing on the word "ban". Too late - the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube. We all know what the "ban" has done and is doing and will do. It doesn't fucking matter if they call it a ban or not. All that matters is the effect it's having on people and companies and schools, etc, and everyone is paying close attention to that. Bitching about semantics isn't going to work this time mofos.

    Companies and schools? What effect?
    We can't even get a solid number on those detained at airports.

    Here is what the CEO of Google says about it. This kind of concern is being felt by many, many US businesses, and many business around the world. http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/28/google-chief-sundar-pichai-chides-trump-over-immigration-order-affecting-nearly-200-staffers.html

    And here is an article about how it impacts universities when it comes to all their international students from those countries (I work at a university and I have already talked to two colleague who personally know someone who is (was) studying/participating in research work in the US who have been unable to reenter. The effects of Trump's ban have been serious and immediate for many people. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/universities-grappling-with-impact-of-trumps-refugee-ban/2017/01/29/a8adfcea-e639-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.cba92295c58b

    At the university I work at alone, 450 students plus many faculty, researchers and staff who have been directly affected by the ban, and we're just a medium sized university with 20,000 students or so. The ban is disrupting international studies, work placements, competitions, field visits, research partnerships, conference participation, and family relationships. Universities have global relationships, so yeah, the impact is definitely being felt.
    After a few days of reading about the impact of the ban, the full scope still yet to be determined, I've realized it's actually much worse than I originally thought, especially with respect to students teachers and educational institutions as a whole. This is undoubtedly trumps biggest mistake, one in which he should admit and move on. If Trump is set on some sort of ban, he should at least exclude students and teachers. Someone made an excellent point about foreign students being the greatest ambassadors for the US and the potential impact there experiences/messages have versus say tv news.
    I'm glad you offered up the point about students, I would have never even considered the impact.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/01/30/higher-education-leaders-denounce-trumps-travel-ban

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/514925/
    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,079
    JC29856 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Apparently they think they can now distract people by focusing on the word "ban". Too late - the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube. We all know what the "ban" has done and is doing and will do. It doesn't fucking matter if they call it a ban or not. All that matters is the effect it's having on people and companies and schools, etc, and everyone is paying close attention to that. Bitching about semantics isn't going to work this time mofos.

    Companies and schools? What effect?
    We can't even get a solid number on those detained at airports.

    Here is what the CEO of Google says about it. This kind of concern is being felt by many, many US businesses, and many business around the world. http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/28/google-chief-sundar-pichai-chides-trump-over-immigration-order-affecting-nearly-200-staffers.html

    And here is an article about how it impacts universities when it comes to all their international students from those countries (I work at a university and I have already talked to two colleague who personally know someone who is (was) studying/participating in research work in the US who have been unable to reenter. The effects of Trump's ban have been serious and immediate for many people. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/universities-grappling-with-impact-of-trumps-refugee-ban/2017/01/29/a8adfcea-e639-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.cba92295c58b

    At the university I work at alone, 450 students plus many faculty, researchers and staff who have been directly affected by the ban, and we're just a medium sized university with 20,000 students or so. The ban is disrupting international studies, work placements, competitions, field visits, research partnerships, conference participation, and family relationships. Universities have global relationships, so yeah, the impact is definitely being felt.
    After a few days of reading about the impact of the ban, the full scope still yet to be determined, I've realized it's actually much worse than I originally thought, especially with respect to students teachers and educational institutions as a whole. This is undoubtedly trumps biggest mistake, one in which he should admit and move on. If Trump is set on some sort of ban, he should at least exclude students and teachers. Someone made an excellent point about foreign students being the greatest ambassadors for the US and the potential impact there experiences/messages have versus say tv news.
    I'm glad you offered up the point about students, I would have never even considered the impact.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/01/30/higher-education-leaders-denounce-trumps-travel-ban

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/514925/
    Brain drain is something people should really be thinking about. We want to attract motivated and bright people from around the globe, not repel them to look elsewhere.
  • dignindignin Posts: 6,694
    edited February 2017

    JC29856 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Apparently they think they can now distract people by focusing on the word "ban". Too late - the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube. We all know what the "ban" has done and is doing and will do. It doesn't fucking matter if they call it a ban or not. All that matters is the effect it's having on people and companies and schools, etc, and everyone is paying close attention to that. Bitching about semantics isn't going to work this time mofos.

    Companies and schools? What effect?
    We can't even get a solid number on those detained at airports.

    Here is what the CEO of Google says about it. This kind of concern is being felt by many, many US businesses, and many business around the world. http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/28/google-chief-sundar-pichai-chides-trump-over-immigration-order-affecting-nearly-200-staffers.html

    And here is an article about how it impacts universities when it comes to all their international students from those countries (I work at a university and I have already talked to two colleague who personally know someone who is (was) studying/participating in research work in the US who have been unable to reenter. The effects of Trump's ban have been serious and immediate for many people. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/universities-grappling-with-impact-of-trumps-refugee-ban/2017/01/29/a8adfcea-e639-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.cba92295c58b

    At the university I work at alone, 450 students plus many faculty, researchers and staff who have been directly affected by the ban, and we're just a medium sized university with 20,000 students or so. The ban is disrupting international studies, work placements, competitions, field visits, research partnerships, conference participation, and family relationships. Universities have global relationships, so yeah, the impact is definitely being felt.
    After a few days of reading about the impact of the ban, the full scope still yet to be determined, I've realized it's actually much worse than I originally thought, especially with respect to students teachers and educational institutions as a whole. This is undoubtedly trumps biggest mistake, one in which he should admit and move on. If Trump is set on some sort of ban, he should at least exclude students and teachers. Someone made an excellent point about foreign students being the greatest ambassadors for the US and the potential impact there experiences/messages have versus say tv news.
    I'm glad you offered up the point about students, I would have never even considered the impact.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/01/30/higher-education-leaders-denounce-trumps-travel-ban

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/514925/
    Brain drain is something people should really be thinking about. We want to attract motivated and bright people from around the globe, not repel them to look elsewhere.
    Apparently Canadian universities have seen a huge increase in foreign applicants.

    Our big university here in Calgary has waived application fee's for foreign students.

    Could U.S. uncertainty mean more foreign-student cash for Canada?
    Number of U.S. students applying to Canada for next fall has soared


    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/canada-foreign-student-cash-us-uncertainty-1.3964602


    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/u-s-students-affected-by-trump-s-travel-ban-look-to-canadian-universities-1.3270350
    Post edited by dignin on
  • dignindignin Posts: 6,694
    Bad for business.

    Apple, Facebook and 95 others join legal fight against Trump travel ban

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/05/technology/trump-travel-ban-tech-companies-legal-brief/index.html
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,694
    I still love how Spicer and the rest of Trump's team keep insisting it isn't a ban, and every second tweet from The Great Pumpkin specifically calls it a ban.
    I can see shit now. 
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    edited February 2017
    It is a ban from seven countries, not based on religion. There are also exceptions for certain individuals.

    It is not the first time this has been done. It is just the first time that anyone here has cared about it.
    Post edited by unsung on
  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 31,226
    It's not just a ban...it's a bigly ban.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 5,811
    mfc2006 said:

    It's not just a ban...it's a bigly ban.

    Yugely bigly
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,079
    unsung said:

    It is a ban from seven countries, not based on religion. There are also exceptions for certain individuals.

    It is not the first time this has been done. It is just the first time that anyone here has cared about it.

    trump has said it's about religion and has used the term Muslim ban. This now gets to be brought into court as part of the argument.
  • dignindignin Posts: 6,694

    22 refugees entered Manitoba near Emerson border over the weekend
    Number of asylum seekers walking from U.S. to the province continues to grow

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/22-refugees-enter-manitoba-1.3969874
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