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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Posts: 16,433
    edited February 2017
    PJPOWER said:

    tbergs said:

    my2hands said:
    I like how every time they put out a statement about some policy or stance, they make sure to either include that Obama did the same thing or criticize as doing nothing. He cannot get past his feelings of inadequacy.
    What's also interesting is that trump supporters do the exact thing (see amt for references).
    Yep, that's the Trump defense for everything now. "Look, look, see, look, A-ha! Obama did it, too!" Then hide behind the guise of "we're just trying to point out hypocrisy." Speaking of playing that game...

    Obama executive orders: "What! What is he doing? Such an abuse of power! Get him outta there! Impeach! IMPEACH!"
    Trump executive orders: "Finally, someone is getting shit done!"
    Haha, since you guys are such big fans of this tactic...
    Gotta play the game to win, right? Isn't that what this is all about to you guys - winning? Yeah, I think I hear Trump call everyone who disagrees with him or questions him a "loser." What a swell fucking piece of shit!
  • So, this guy and his tiny penis/hands complex are going to start costing a lot of young people their lives sooner rather than later.

    This is all beyond insane. If people thought Obama apologizing for Bush was bad, they really won't like what's coming from the next president.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited February 2017
    Latest tweet folks,
    Iran is rapidly taking over more and more of Iraq even after the U.S. has squandered three trillion dollars there. Obvious long ago! Do you believe it? The Obama Administration agreed to take thousands of illegal immigrants from Australia. Why? I will study this dumb deal
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Posts: 16,433
    edited February 2017

    Latest tweet folks,
    Iran is rapidly taking over more and more of Iraq even after the U.S. has squandered three trillion dollars there. Obvious long ago! Do you believe it? The Obama Administration agreed to take thousands of illegal immigrants from Australia. Why? I will study this dumb deal

    Soon we'll be losing tens hundreds of thousands of young lives. Cuz ya know, that's what makes America great again. When are people going to get it through their thick skulls that Donald Trump cares about no one but Donald Trump?
  • So, this guy and his tiny penis/hands complex are going to start costing a lot of young people their lives sooner rather than later.

    This is all beyond insane. If people thought Obama apologizing for Bush was bad, they really won't like what's coming from the next president.

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, won't get fooled again. Now watch me hit this tee shot.
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  • So, this guy and his tiny penis/hands complex are going to start costing a lot of young people their lives sooner rather than later.

    This is all beyond insane. If people thought Obama apologizing for Bush was bad, they really won't like what's coming from the next president.

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, won't get fooled again. Now watch me hit this tee shot.
    I hated that man with a passion, but I preferred him over the orange idiot.
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  • Here's an honest question for everyone, Trump supports and those against him.

    Is there a breaking point with his core supporters? I mean, the guy says he wants "everyone to have health care" and his supporters eat it up even though it goes against everything they say they're for. Honestly, I think the breaking point would be guns. Having said that, his position on guns was damn near the EXACT same thing as Clinton's.

    I'm not old enough to remember Nixon. While I love to read on Presidential history, one thing I've never come across was what Nixon's supporters were like at the end. Sure he had a certain base percentage, but did people recognize he was guilty and abandon ship? The political climate today is so toxic though that I'm thinking people would go down with the ship instead of having to admit they were wrong.

    Sorry for the rant. Fucking insomnia.
  • Here's an honest question for everyone, Trump supports and those against him.

    Is there a breaking point with his core supporters? I mean, the guy says he wants "everyone to have health care" and his supporters eat it up even though it goes against everything they say they're for. Honestly, I think the breaking point would be guns. Having said that, his position on guns was damn near the EXACT same thing as Clinton's.

    I'm not old enough to remember Nixon. While I love to read on Presidential history, one thing I've never come across was what Nixon's supporters were like at the end. Sure he had a certain base percentage, but did people recognize he was guilty and abandon ship? The political climate today is so toxic though that I'm thinking people would go down with the ship instead of having to admit they were wrong.

    Sorry for the rant. Fucking insomnia.

    I definitely don't think you're wrong. There is definitely a wave of dramatic, selfish society and thinking our own shit is so important to everyone else, and we're stubborn as fuck if told otherwise. There's a whole lot of pride and not much humility going around. I'm guilty myself at times.
  • Nixon lost the support of the establishment republicans in congress, not for the breakin but the subsequent lies and coverup that came to light during the watergate hearings. Had he not resigned, he would have been impeached and found guilty with republicans voting to try and convict him.

    Trump keeps this shit up and I think he'll lose enough support to be ineffective and like a cornered rat, he'll do something impeachable, if he hasn't done so already. He's not fit for office.

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  • PJ_Soul said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    tbergs said:

    my2hands said:
    I like how every time they put out a statement about some policy or stance, they make sure to either include that Obama did the same thing or criticize as doing nothing. He cannot get past his feelings of inadequacy.
    What's also interesting is that trump supporters do the exact thing (see amt for references).
    Yep, that's the Trump defense for everything now. "Look, look, see, look, A-ha! Obama did it, too!" Then hide behind the guise of "we're just trying to point out hypocrisy." Speaking of playing that game...

    Obama executive orders: "What! What is he doing? Such an abuse of power! Get him outta there! Impeach! IMPEACH!"
    Trump executive orders: "Finally, someone is getting shit done!"
    While the differences between the two are glaring. One did it responsibly and with care to minimize negative effects on people (and mostly for positive gain for people), while the other does it completely irresponsibly and recklessly in a way that directly harms many people. Apples and oranges. It's absurd that people try to compare the two in any way, honestly. I haven't seen a single instance where the comparison between Obama and Trump is valid.
    Apples and oranges and multiple perspectives.
    https://youtu.be/qw6tjBxvIPo
    Right.... confirms that they're not comparable. Nobody ever said that Obama never deported anyone. What Obama did is nothing like what Trump is now doing, nor is how he did it. Though I'm not sure if that is the point you are trying to make... I actually don't know what point you are trying to make at all. Can you be more explicit, if you do indeed have a point? I actually thought we were talking about executive orders, and then you post this video about deportations during Obama's term. Maybe you're trying to show us how Obama was far more responsible about immigration/deportations than Trump is being?
    He doesn't have a point - all he has is "What about what bout what about". He's a troll.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,390
    I'm willing to bet everything will be covered up nothing will ever come of it Republicans are going to make sure of it !
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    "Going where the water tastes like wine!"
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,827
    So military officials are already criticizing Trump's decision making based on one raid...
  • "You have a bunch of bad hombres down there," Trump told Pena Nieto, according to the excerpt seen by the AP. "You aren't doing enough to stop them. I think your military is scared. Our military isn't, so I just might send them down to take care of it."
    http://time.com/4657474/donald-trump-enrique-pena-nieto-mexico-bad-hombres/

    what a fucking psycho.
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  • "You have a bunch of bad hombres down there," Trump told Pena Nieto, according to the excerpt seen by the AP. "You aren't doing enough to stop them. I think your military is scared. Our military isn't, so I just might send them down to take care of it."
    http://time.com/4657474/donald-trump-enrique-pena-nieto-mexico-bad-hombres/

    what a fucking psycho.
    Was he talking about cartel leaders?
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    So military officials are already criticizing Trump's decision making based on one raid...

    I posted a article or two on that raid, I encourage everyone interested to read up on that, its interesting how it was handled by the Obama admin and then handed off to Trump. The phrase "pocket veto" is used, the reported "facts" dont jive with what I thought a "pocket veto" was.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,332
    This is your President

    Donald Trump threatens to withdraw federal funds from Berkeley University after Breitbart editor talk cancelled
    Police say ‘agitators’ smashed windows and started fires before Milo Yiannopoulos talk


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-breitbart-news-remove-federal-funding-berkeley-university-california-milo-yiannopoulos-a7558946.html
  • dignin said:

    This is your President

    Donald Trump threatens to withdraw federal funds from Berkeley University after Breitbart editor talk cancelled
    Police say ‘agitators’ smashed windows and started fires before Milo Yiannopoulos talk


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-breitbart-news-remove-federal-funding-berkeley-university-california-milo-yiannopoulos-a7558946.html

    President Bannon is furious.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    dignin said:

    This is your President

    Donald Trump threatens to withdraw federal funds from Berkeley University after Breitbart editor talk cancelled
    Police say ‘agitators’ smashed windows and started fires before Milo Yiannopoulos talk


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-breitbart-news-remove-federal-funding-berkeley-university-california-milo-yiannopoulos-a7558946.html

    Don't forget smashed skulls...
  • dignin said:

    This is your President

    Donald Trump threatens to withdraw federal funds from Berkeley University after Breitbart editor talk cancelled
    Police say ‘agitators’ smashed windows and started fires before Milo Yiannopoulos talk


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-breitbart-news-remove-federal-funding-berkeley-university-california-milo-yiannopoulos-a7558946.html

    When I think of this type of goofiness and his response to sanctuary cities... it is as if he thinks of himself as Dad giving allowances.

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,332
    edited February 2017

    So military officials are already criticizing Trump's decision making based on one raid...

    Oops.

    US military officials: Trump-ordered raid in Yemen that killed US Navy SEAL was approved 'without sufficient intelligence'

    http://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-officials-trump-ordered-raid-in-yemen-that-killed-us-navy-seal-was-approved-without-sufficient-intelligence-2017-2

    I will add this comment I found on reddit because it's interesting

    It is being reported because some folks in the military and elsewhere are saying the raid was for a political show purpose.
    In other words Trump wanted to illustrate why we are banning immigrants from particular countries. The assertion is that he ordered the raid not because it was important to attack this location at this time, but because it was a target in one of the countries in the EO, and planning was done. What was obviously missing is final updated site intelligence. How bad was it? Our guys went in under armed and outnumbered. The reports say they quickly got into a massive fire fight and had to call in gunships to shoot their way out.
    How politically motivated was this raid? Well our newly minted Secty of Defense, Mattis, was informed of it while he was at the Alfalfa Dinner. He was not in the Situation Room and apparently did not know it was even on-going.


    https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5rl2w0/us_military_officials_trumpordered_raid_in_yemen/?st=iyojjexu&sh=4f295f12
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited February 2017
    https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1064682/us-raid-in-yemen-garners-intelligence
    Pentagon spokesman Navy Capt. Jeff Davis told reporters today.
    The operation had been planned for months, and was one in a series of aggressive actions against al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen, he said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/02/trump-approved-yemen-raid-five-days-after-inauguration
    Both the New York Times and Reuters carried quotes from unnamed military officials that seemed to shift blame for the mission to Trump and his inner team. It would be an extraordinary development for a president, who is commander-in-chief, to be briefed against in such detail.

    The briefings suggested that one thing after another went wrong from the start of the mission, with the Yemen villagers seemingly alerted to the impending raid by drones flying lower than usual.

    The special forces, apparently lacking full intelligence, were confronted by heavily-fortified positions, including landmines, and faced heavy gunfire from buildings all around during the 50-minute firefight. One of the US planes sent in to help had to be left behind and was deliberately destroyed.
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  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,190
    JC29856 said:

    https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1064682/us-raid-in-yemen-garners-intelligence
    Pentagon spokesman Navy Capt. Jeff Davis told reporters today.
    The operation had been planned for months, and was one in a series of aggressive actions against al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen, he said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/02/trump-approved-yemen-raid-five-days-after-inauguration
    Both the New York Times and Reuters carried quotes from unnamed military officials that seemed to shift blame for the mission to Trump and his inner team. It would be an extraordinary development for a president, who is commander-in-chief, to be briefed against in such detail.

    The briefings suggested that one thing after another went wrong from the start of the mission, with the Yemen villagers seemingly alerted to the impending raid by drones flying lower than usual.

    The special forces, apparently lacking full intelligence, were confronted by heavily-fortified positions, including landmines, and faced heavy gunfire from buildings all around during the 50-minute firefight. One of the US planes sent in to help had to be left behind and was deliberately destroyed.

    Like President Trump always says.....*Believe me, it was a disaster*™

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  • to be fair, did no other presidents have "disasterous" military operations?
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    to be fair, did no other presidents have "disasterous" military operations?

    to be fair, did no other presidents have "disasterous" military operations?

    What's the criteria to determine?

    According to the Pentagon valuable information was obtained from the raid.
  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,190

    to be fair, did no other presidents have "disasterous" military operations?

    Yes, I'm sure they did but for the most part they may have used ALL the intelligence that was available to garner a successful mission. I'm surprised more Navy Seals weren't killed. Hopefully, the lesson to be learned here is make good used of all the Intel and be prepared from all sides as to what could go wrong.

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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    I would think that a politically motivated military raid for bragging purposes would have been conducted in Syria. The only country that Trump identified in the EO. That's the country that Trump could really pound his chest over. Yemen, is like picking on the short kid.
  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,190
    JC29856 said:

    I would think that a politically motivated military raid for bragging purposes would have been conducted in Syria. The only country that Trump identified in the EO. That's the country that Trump could really pound his chest over. Yemen, is like picking on the short kid.

    Yet that short kid put up a good fight.....The commandos going into the raid knew they were screwed that should never be. In future missions let's hope our Navy Seals are more prepared for the giant or that short kid.

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