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my2hands said:

You are either with the Nazi's, or against them. Are you for the ban or against the ban? Are you pro-refugee or anti-refugee? Do you prefer to build walls or bridges? Do you support LGBTQ rights or not? Do you support Womens rights or not?

This shit isn't rocket science.

Just read the above twice and file under S for simpleton.

my2hands

I listened for 8 years that Obama was a Kenyan Muslim Socialist with a fake birth certificate. Including from this asshole in the Oval Office.

Now shit gets real and you'll all excuse or explain it away

If youre not openly against the racist and hate filled executive orders filed so far by President Trump them you're all sympathizers as far as I'm concerned.

Again, this isn't rocket science. You either support it or you don't. The line is clearly drawn in the sand, Dude

my2hands

Supports black sites... supports torture... alternative facts... building walls... muslim bans... anti-immigrant... anti-refugee...

Wake up sympathizers

PJfanwillneverleave1

Latest tweet folks.
The joint statement of former presidential candidates John McCain & Lindsey Graham is wrong - they are sadly weak on immigration. The two Senators should focus their energies on ISIS, illegal immigration and border security instead of always looking to start World War III.

Go Beavers

DarthMaeglin said:

Could we please stop this nonsense (I'm trying to be polite here) of referring to Trump and his supporters as Hitler and Nazis? I understand the desire not to "normalize" what the current President is doing, but what you're inadvertently doing is minimizing the horrors of what occurred during World War II. Yes, measures are being taken that are extreme in our culture, but 10 million lives were lost in the Holocaust (in addition to soldiers on both sides).

I was going to suggest Stalin as an alternative, but that would minimize the 20 million (mainly his own citizens) that died under his regime.

In this poster's eyes it weakens one's position when such hyperbole is employed, and unnecessarily offends some who might have been sympathetic to your point of view.

Rant finished, with appreciation to those who take this under serious consideration.

Can we agree on authoritarian xenophobic demagogue?

my2hands

Look at all the right wing snowflakes getting triggered... by the truth

dignin

The leaks coming out of the Trump White House cast the president as a clueless child

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/26/the-leaks-coming-out-the-trump-white-house-cast-the-boss-as-a-clueless-child/?utm_term=.893f76838909&wpisrc=nl_most-draw10&wpmm=1

vaggar99

“Nice people made the best Nazis. My mom grew up next to them. They got along, refused to make waves, looked the other way when things got ugly and focused on happier things than ‘politics,’” wrote Shulman, whose mother Elizabeth was born in Munich in 1934 and grew up in Nazi Germany. “They were lovely people who turned their heads as their neighbors were dragged away. You know who weren’t nice people? Resisters.”

oceaninmyeyes

dignin said:

The leaks coming out of the Trump White House cast the president as a clueless child

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/26/the-leaks-coming-out-the-trump-white-house-cast-the-boss-as-a-clueless-child/?utm_term=.893f76838909&wpisrc=nl_most-draw10&wpmm=1

yeah. I love following the twitter feed coming out of there.

DarthMaeglin

Go Beavers said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Could we please stop this nonsense (I'm trying to be polite here) of referring to Trump and his supporters as Hitler and Nazis? I understand the desire not to "normalize" what the current President is doing, but what you're inadvertently doing is minimizing the horrors of what occurred during World War II. Yes, measures are being taken that are extreme in our culture, but 10 million lives were lost in the Holocaust (in addition to soldiers on both sides).

I was going to suggest Stalin as an alternative, but that would minimize the 20 million (mainly his own citizens) that died under his regime.

In this poster's eyes it weakens one's position when such hyperbole is employed, and unnecessarily offends some who might have been sympathetic to your point of view.

Rant finished, with appreciation to those who take this under serious consideration.

Can we agree on authoritarian xenophobic demagogue?

Works for me. At some point totalitarian may even come into play, but some of the labels being thrown around carry much more baggage than applies to Trump (thus far).

Be vigilant, to be sure, but save the loaded labels for when they actually apply.

JC29856

Halifax2TheMax said:

And the law that our resident professor cited was introduced by a republican congressman and passed by a republican house and senate as part of a trillion dollar tax and spending package.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_114th_United_States_Congress

I would hardly characterize this as "Obama's law." And once passed, did Obama's DHS immediately enforce it, leading to similar chaos that Trump's actions caused? False equivalency. The least you can do is own Trump's actions. You own it. And about those numbers, JC? Obama raised the number of immigrants allowed in in his final year of office from 70,000 to 110,000 probably because he saw the writing on the wall. This is just the beginning. You trump supporters own it.

Let's back up because I know not everyone has a stellar memory.
Yesterday, H2m asked for the visa ban law that Obama signed, as if one didn't exist or as if he is ignorant to the fact that one existed. I kindly provide the law directly from .gov.
Today H2M wakes up after late night peek-a-boo, makes his lemon water and Manuka honey drink, sits at his computer, checks the Trump thread, reads benjs posts, thinks it's a good idea, takes it to heart, then proceeds attempt to implement said benjs strategy. H2M then proceeds for the next 3 hours to study the law I posted composes his retort and comes up with this:

It's not "Obamas law" even thou nobody referred to it as "Obamas law" ignoring that the president has to sign bills in order for it to become law. Obama signed it, no veto, sign and drive.
Then he further tries to dissociate Obama from his signature on the visa ban law by claiming, it was
1. part of a larger more important bill package that needed to be passed
2. originated in the house / senate, furthermore noting that the house and Senate were opposition party republicans.

My question, if this was so un American to Obama, couldn't he issue an executive order doing away with the visa ban instead of having his DHS enforce it?

H2M failed to mention the 4 month Iraqi ban Obama also implemented in 2011.

Cheers...TAILTUCK

dignin

DarthMaeglin said:

Go Beavers said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Could we please stop this nonsense (I'm trying to be polite here) of referring to Trump and his supporters as Hitler and Nazis? I understand the desire not to "normalize" what the current President is doing, but what you're inadvertently doing is minimizing the horrors of what occurred during World War II. Yes, measures are being taken that are extreme in our culture, but 10 million lives were lost in the Holocaust (in addition to soldiers on both sides).

I was going to suggest Stalin as an alternative, but that would minimize the 20 million (mainly his own citizens) that died under his regime.

In this poster's eyes it weakens one's position when such hyperbole is employed, and unnecessarily offends some who might have been sympathetic to your point of view.

Rant finished, with appreciation to those who take this under serious consideration.

Can we agree on authoritarian xenophobic demagogue?

Works for me. At some point totalitarian may even come into play, but some of the labels being thrown around carry much more baggage than applies to Trump (thus far).

Be vigilant, to be sure, but save the loaded labels for when they actually apply.

I think that is fair. Staying vigilant is very important.

my2hands

JC29856 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And the law that our resident professor cited was introduced by a republican congressman and passed by a republican house and senate as part of a trillion dollar tax and spending package.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_114th_United_States_Congress

I would hardly characterize this as "Obama's law." And once passed, did Obama's DHS immediately enforce it, leading to similar chaos that Trump's actions caused? False equivalency. The least you can do is own Trump's actions. You own it. And about those numbers, JC? Obama raised the number of immigrants allowed in in his final year of office from 70,000 to 110,000 probably because he saw the writing on the wall. This is just the beginning. You trump supporters own it.

Let's back up because I know not everyone has a stellar memory.
Yesterday, H2m asked for the visa ban law that Obama signed, as if one didn't exist or as if he is ignorant to the fact that one existed. I kindly provide the law directly from .gov.
Today H2M wakes up after late night peek-a-boo, makes his lemon water and Manuka honey drink, sits at his computer, checks the Trump thread, reads benjs posts, thinks it's a good idea, takes it to heart, then proceeds attempt to implement said benjs strategy. H2M then proceeds for the next 3 hours to study the law I posted composes his retort and comes up with this:

It's not "Obamas law" even thou nobody referred to it as "Obamas law" ignoring that the president has to sign bills in order for it to become law. Obama signed it, no veto, sign and drive.
Then he further tries to dissociate Obama from his signature on the visa ban law by claiming, it was
1. part of a larger more important bill package that needed to be passed
2. originated in the house / senate, furthermore noting that the house and Senate were opposition party republicans.

My question, if this was so un American to Obama, couldn't he issue an executive order doing away with the visa ban instead of having his DHS enforce it?

H2M failed to mention the 4 month Iraqi ban Obama also implemented in 2011.

Cheers...TAILTUCK

Do you support the current Muslim/refugee/immigration ban?

Do you support the propsed wall & deportations?

One word yes or no answers, please

my2hands

How do the right wing sympathizers feel about the restructuring of the National Security Council that downgrades the Chair of The Joint Chiefs and National Intelligence Director while making white nationalist Steve Bannon a full member??? Don't forget kooky Mike "Fake News" Flynn, who Colin Powell felt had gone off the deep end, is running it

Pro military conservatives should be screaming the loudest right now... maybe they will just get in line like good little sympathizers

Halifax2TheMax

JC29856 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And the law that our resident professor cited was introduced by a republican congressman and passed by a republican house and senate as part of a trillion dollar tax and spending package.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_114th_United_States_Congress

I would hardly characterize this as "Obama's law." And once passed, did Obama's DHS immediately enforce it, leading to similar chaos that Trump's actions caused? False equivalency. The least you can do is own Trump's actions. You own it. And about those numbers, JC? Obama raised the number of immigrants allowed in in his final year of office from 70,000 to 110,000 probably because he saw the writing on the wall. This is just the beginning. You trump supporters own it.

Let's back up because I know not everyone has a stellar memory.
Yesterday, H2m asked for the visa ban law that Obama signed, as if one didn't exist or as if he is ignorant to the fact that one existed. I kindly provide the law directly from .gov.
Today H2M wakes up after late night peek-a-boo, makes his lemon water and Manuka honey drink, sits at his computer, checks the Trump thread, reads benjs posts, thinks it's a good idea, takes it to heart, then proceeds attempt to implement said benjs strategy. H2M then proceeds for the next 3 hours to study the law I posted composes his retort and comes up with this:

It's not "Obamas law" even thou nobody referred to it as "Obamas law" ignoring that the president has to sign bills in order for it to become law. Obama signed it, no veto, sign and drive.
Then he further tries to dissociate Obama from his signature on the visa ban law by claiming, it was
1. part of a larger more important bill package that needed to be passed
2. originated in the house / senate, furthermore noting that the house and Senate were opposition party republicans.

My question, if this was so un American to Obama, couldn't he issue an executive order doing away with the visa ban instead of having his DHS enforce it?

H2M failed to mention the 4 month Iraqi ban Obama also implemented in 2011.

Cheers...TAILTUCK

You really are clueless. If this was really a priority for the republicans who passed the bill as part of a huge tax and spend package, wouldn't they have filed suit when Obama didn't enforce it?

The esteemed professor called it Obama's law.

Your hangover elixir sounds like something a child predator would drink. No thanks.

dignin

JC29856 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And the law that our resident professor cited was introduced by a republican congressman and passed by a republican house and senate as part of a trillion dollar tax and spending package.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_114th_United_States_Congress

I would hardly characterize this as "Obama's law." And once passed, did Obama's DHS immediately enforce it, leading to similar chaos that Trump's actions caused? False equivalency. The least you can do is own Trump's actions. You own it. And about those numbers, JC? Obama raised the number of immigrants allowed in in his final year of office from 70,000 to 110,000 probably because he saw the writing on the wall. This is just the beginning. You trump supporters own it.

Let's back up because I know not everyone has a stellar memory.
Yesterday, H2m asked for the visa ban law that Obama signed, as if one didn't exist or as if he is ignorant to the fact that one existed. I kindly provide the law directly from .gov.
Today H2M wakes up after late night peek-a-boo, makes his lemon water and Manuka honey drink, sits at his computer, checks the Trump thread, reads benjs posts, thinks it's a good idea, takes it to heart, then proceeds attempt to implement said benjs strategy. H2M then proceeds for the next 3 hours to study the law I posted composes his retort and comes up with this:

It's not "Obamas law" even thou nobody referred to it as "Obamas law" ignoring that the president has to sign bills in order for it to become law. Obama signed it, no veto, sign and drive.
Then he further tries to dissociate Obama from his signature on the visa ban law by claiming, it was
1. part of a larger more important bill package that needed to be passed
2. originated in the house / senate, furthermore noting that the house and Senate were opposition party republicans.

My question, if this was so un American to Obama, couldn't he issue an executive order doing away with the visa ban instead of having his DHS enforce it?

H2M failed to mention the 4 month Iraqi ban Obama also implemented in 2011.

Cheers...TAILTUCK

You will feel better when you let go of the bitterness and move on. I promise. We now have seen the light and we want to walk with you comrade.

JC29856

my2hands said:

JC29856 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And the law that our resident professor cited was introduced by a republican congressman and passed by a republican house and senate as part of a trillion dollar tax and spending package.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_114th_United_States_Congress

I would hardly characterize this as "Obama's law." And once passed, did Obama's DHS immediately enforce it, leading to similar chaos that Trump's actions caused? False equivalency. The least you can do is own Trump's actions. You own it. And about those numbers, JC? Obama raised the number of immigrants allowed in in his final year of office from 70,000 to 110,000 probably because he saw the writing on the wall. This is just the beginning. You trump supporters own it.

Let's back up because I know not everyone has a stellar memory.
Yesterday, H2m asked for the visa ban law that Obama signed, as if one didn't exist or as if he is ignorant to the fact that one existed. I kindly provide the law directly from .gov.
Today H2M wakes up after late night peek-a-boo, makes his lemon water and Manuka honey drink, sits at his computer, checks the Trump thread, reads benjs posts, thinks it's a good idea, takes it to heart, then proceeds attempt to implement said benjs strategy. H2M then proceeds for the next 3 hours to study the law I posted composes his retort and comes up with this:

It's not "Obamas law" even thou nobody referred to it as "Obamas law" ignoring that the president has to sign bills in order for it to become law. Obama signed it, no veto, sign and drive.
Then he further tries to dissociate Obama from his signature on the visa ban law by claiming, it was
1. part of a larger more important bill package that needed to be passed
2. originated in the house / senate, furthermore noting that the house and Senate were opposition party republicans.

My question, if this was so un American to Obama, couldn't he issue an executive order doing away with the visa ban instead of having his DHS enforce it?

H2M failed to mention the 4 month Iraqi ban Obama also implemented in 2011.

Cheers...TAILTUCK

Do you support the current Muslim/refugee/immigration ban?

Do you support the propsed wall & deportations?

One word yes or no answers, please

I wouldn't call it a Muslim ban..see previous post a few pages back.
I have no problem with a temporary ban issued by a new administration, in order for it them to work thru a more permanent solution whatever it may be, extreme vetting etc. I do have a problem with trumps implemention and preparedness dealing with those en route or within 72 hours of travel.
I'm am totally against ILLEGAL immigration.
I have no problem with a proposed wall, it worked for Israel and we paid for that one so why not. Without knowing the details I can only say I'm not against a wall. I'll reserve judgement on the wall until I know the particulars.
I'm all for the continuance of Obamas record breaking deportations of ILLEGAL immigrants.
Trust the process.

BS44325

my2hands said:

Look at all the right wing snowflakes getting triggered... by the truth

Not triggered. Observing a meltdown. Those are two very different things.

Go Beavers

There's a thorough vetting process for refugees already. Do people not know this?

BS44325

Go Beavers said:

There's a thorough vetting process for refugees already. Do people not know this?

This is Extreme Vetting. All refugees will be required to sing More Then Words.