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HesCalledDyer · January 2017

j1kotwic said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

j1kotwic said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

vaggar99 said:
who here still supports this guy? and why?
Stupidity and racism.
I support him because Americans elected him and he is our now our president. I voted for him because I thought he was a better option than Hillary. That doesn't mean I'm aligned with him on every issue though. This means I'm a stupid racist?

So you made a really bad decision. And now you're just going to 'fall in line' because he's your president? My gawd man.

And sorry, but questions regarding your critical thinking ability emerge when you say you "thought he was a better option..." You might be a hell of a guy, but eesh. Trump was a steep price to pay to stick it to the establishment (not that you did that anyways... you voted for an silver spoon fed billionaire instead of a millionaire).
I don't think I made a bad decision. I think I voted for the better of the two options... it was a difficult decision that I struggled with at times. I think you guys need to realize that half of the voters chose a different candidate than you and not all of them are morons and/or racists.

There were more than two options, you know.

PJPOWER · January 2017

Go Beavers said:

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:
Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!
Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?
I recommend first that people reject any trump proposal that includes larger, heavy handed federal government response (which will be most of his proposals outside of budget cuts) then I recommend that people read about gang behavior and gang interventions. Then they should look at all that data broadly, come up with their own ideas (borrowed or new) about what to do and go from there. It can be ppealing to to some to default to the lowest common denominator of a police state, but you should fight that urge.

But, but, but...Guns!

HesCalledDyer · January 2017

Never thought I'd see the day when I actually appreciated this image...

BS44325 · January 2017

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

ledvedderman said:

Go Beavers said:
Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!
No shit. I wonder what the chain of command is for something like that. Would Rahm or our piece of shit Governor Rauner have to make a request for the feds to step in?
Yes. The governor has to make the request. Think back to Katrina. Bush couldn't send troops until Governor Blanco made the official request.
Which bring us to multiple scenarios of agencies and government employees not following our new dictators orders. What follows that, and what are the implications? The system runs on a certain level of faith and trust. Trump is effing with that and he has no clue whatsoever.
No. It doesn't lead to multiple scenerios. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act detail requirements and limitations for a federal government to intervene.
You're just referring to what trump said about Chicago. But even in that single scenario, trump will interpret those as giving him permission to send "the feds". He will probably be told no, and then it what hapoens after that matters. You seem to be under the impression that trump is educated on anything about the federal government and is willing to respect the limits placed on it.

He also has a pen and a phone.

PJPOWER · January 2017

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

ledvedderman said:

Go Beavers said:
Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!
No shit. I wonder what the chain of command is for something like that. Would Rahm or our piece of shit Governor Rauner have to make a request for the feds to step in?
Yes. The governor has to make the request. Think back to Katrina. Bush couldn't send troops until Governor Blanco made the official request.
Which bring us to multiple scenarios of agencies and government employees not following our new dictators orders. What follows that, and what are the implications? The system runs on a certain level of faith and trust. Trump is effing with that and he has no clue whatsoever.
No. It doesn't lead to multiple scenerios. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act detail requirements and limitations for a federal government to intervene.
You're just referring to what trump said about Chicago. But even in that single scenario, trump will interpret those as giving him permission to send "the feds". He will probably be told no, and then it what hapoens after that matters. You seem to be under the impression that trump is educated on anything about the federal government and is willing to respect the limits placed on it.
He also has a pen and a phone.

And probably a person or two providing legal counsel...

Go Beavers · January 2017

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

ledvedderman said:

Go Beavers said:
Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!
No shit. I wonder what the chain of command is for something like that. Would Rahm or our piece of shit Governor Rauner have to make a request for the feds to step in?
Yes. The governor has to make the request. Think back to Katrina. Bush couldn't send troops until Governor Blanco made the official request.
Which bring us to multiple scenarios of agencies and government employees not following our new dictators orders. What follows that, and what are the implications? The system runs on a certain level of faith and trust. Trump is effing with that and he has no clue whatsoever.
No. It doesn't lead to multiple scenerios. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act detail requirements and limitations for a federal government to intervene.
You're just referring to what trump said about Chicago. But even in that single scenario, trump will interpret those as giving him permission to send "the feds". He will probably be told no, and then it what hapoens after that matters. You seem to be under the impression that trump is educated on anything about the federal government and is willing to respect the limits placed on it.
He also has a pen and a phone.

Yawn. Yup, he's just like Obama. Got it.

pjhawks · January 2017

j1kotwic said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

j1kotwic said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

vaggar99 said:
who here still supports this guy? and why?
Stupidity and racism.
I support him because Americans elected him and he is our now our president. I voted for him because I thought he was a better option than Hillary. That doesn't mean I'm aligned with him on every issue though. This means I'm a stupid racist?

So you made a really bad decision. And now you're just going to 'fall in line' because he's your president? My gawd man.

And sorry, but questions regarding your critical thinking ability emerge when you say you "thought he was a better option..." You might be a hell of a guy, but eesh. Trump was a steep price to pay to stick it to the establishment (not that you did that anyways... you voted for an silver spoon fed billionaire instead of a millionaire).
I don't think I made a bad decision. I think I voted for the better of the two options... it was a difficult decision that I struggled with at times. I think you guys need to realize that half of the voters chose a different candidate than you and not all of them are morons and/or racists.

clearly not all who voted for him are racists but the other description seems pretty apt.

Go Beavers · January 2017

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:
Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!
Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?
I recommend first that people reject any trump proposal that includes larger, heavy handed federal government response (which will be most of his proposals outside of budget cuts) then I recommend that people read about gang behavior and gang interventions. Then they should look at all that data broadly, come up with their own ideas (borrowed or new) about what to do and go from there. It can be ppealing to to some to default to the lowest common denominator of a police state, but you should fight that urge.
Very solid recommendations..i would bet that law enforcement and other groups have previously read into gang behavior and looked at all the data available wouldn't you think? This has been going on in Chicago for years. So in that case when all else has failed, (which I believe we could be at that point) what do you do??

Your making some assumptions. I don't know how thoroughly Chicago has looked into interventions that could work. Also when you say "all else has failed", that means they've tried everything, which is really unlikely.

Go Beavers · January 2017

PJPOWER said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

ledvedderman said:

Go Beavers said:
Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!
No shit. I wonder what the chain of command is for something like that. Would Rahm or our piece of shit Governor Rauner have to make a request for the feds to step in?
Yes. The governor has to make the request. Think back to Katrina. Bush couldn't send troops until Governor Blanco made the official request.
Which bring us to multiple scenarios of agencies and government employees not following our new dictators orders. What follows that, and what are the implications? The system runs on a certain level of faith and trust. Trump is effing with that and he has no clue whatsoever.
No. It doesn't lead to multiple scenerios. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act detail requirements and limitations for a federal government to intervene.
You're just referring to what trump said about Chicago. But even in that single scenario, trump will interpret those as giving him permission to send "the feds". He will probably be told no, and then it what hapoens after that matters. You seem to be under the impression that trump is educated on anything about the federal government and is willing to respect the limits placed on it.
He also has a pen and a phone.
And probably a person or two providing legal counsel...

That are telling him he can do whatever he wants to do. We're not dealing with Abe Lincoln here. Try to pay attention

BS44325 · January 2017

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

ledvedderman said:

Go Beavers said:
Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!
No shit. I wonder what the chain of command is for something like that. Would Rahm or our piece of shit Governor Rauner have to make a request for the feds to step in?
Yes. The governor has to make the request. Think back to Katrina. Bush couldn't send troops until Governor Blanco made the official request.
Which bring us to multiple scenarios of agencies and government employees not following our new dictators orders. What follows that, and what are the implications? The system runs on a certain level of faith and trust. Trump is effing with that and he has no clue whatsoever.
No. It doesn't lead to multiple scenerios. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act detail requirements and limitations for a federal government to intervene.
You're just referring to what trump said about Chicago. But even in that single scenario, trump will interpret those as giving him permission to send "the feds". He will probably be told no, and then it what hapoens after that matters. You seem to be under the impression that trump is educated on anything about the federal government and is willing to respect the limits placed on it.
He also has a pen and a phone.
Yawn. Yup, he's just like Obama. Got it.

With the big difference being that Trump will not tolerate the carnage that is Chicago.

cottagesteeze · January 2017

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:
Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!
Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?

Well I suggest we get to the root of the problem and work from the ground up. The root isn't poverty, gangs, and drugs. I think it is commonly agreed upon that racial injustice over the past generations is the true root problem. That led to poverty, gangs, drugs, and tribalism. African Americans couldn't rely on the cops or courts to protect and serve them, so they had to take matters in their own hands (or so they thought). Jump ahead to early 2017 and the DOJ releases reports about how unjust the Chicago police is.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/925846/download

Trump's solution: stop doing DOJ investigations because police are great and send in the military.
My solution: fix the racial problem, train cops better, work on community outreach programs. I don't foresee the military causing gangsters to all the sudden "see the light" for some reason.

Go Beavers · January 2017

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

ledvedderman said:

Go Beavers said:
Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!
No shit. I wonder what the chain of command is for something like that. Would Rahm or our piece of shit Governor Rauner have to make a request for the feds to step in?
Yes. The governor has to make the request. Think back to Katrina. Bush couldn't send troops until Governor Blanco made the official request.
Which bring us to multiple scenarios of agencies and government employees not following our new dictators orders. What follows that, and what are the implications? The system runs on a certain level of faith and trust. Trump is effing with that and he has no clue whatsoever.
No. It doesn't lead to multiple scenerios. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act detail requirements and limitations for a federal government to intervene.
You're just referring to what trump said about Chicago. But even in that single scenario, trump will interpret those as giving him permission to send "the feds". He will probably be told no, and then it what hapoens after that matters. You seem to be under the impression that trump is educated on anything about the federal government and is willing to respect the limits placed on it.
He also has a pen and a phone.
Yawn. Yup, he's just like Obama. Got it.
With the big difference being that Trump will not tolerate the carnage that is Chicago.

He's our new law and order dictator. Just don't step out of line.

Jason P · January 2017

Maybe she was correct to have this reaction at the inauguration ...

Still a pretty funny reaction

Wma31394 · January 2017

Go Beavers said:

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:
Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!
Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?
I recommend first that people reject any trump proposal that includes larger, heavy handed federal government response (which will be most of his proposals outside of budget cuts) then I recommend that people read about gang behavior and gang interventions. Then they should look at all that data broadly, come up with their own ideas (borrowed or new) about what to do and go from there. It can be ppealing to to some to default to the lowest common denominator of a police state, but you should fight that urge.
Very solid recommendations..i would bet that law enforcement and other groups have previously read into gang behavior and looked at all the data available wouldn't you think? This has been going on in Chicago for years. So in that case when all else has failed, (which I believe we could be at that point) what do you do??

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:
Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!
Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?
I recommend first that people reject any trump proposal that includes larger, heavy handed federal government response (which will be most of his proposals outside of budget cuts) then I recommend that people read about gang behavior and gang interventions. Then they should look at all that data broadly, come up with their own ideas (borrowed or new) about what to do and go from there. It can be ppealing to to some to default to the lowest common denominator of a police state, but you should fight that urge.
Very solid recommendations..i would bet that law enforcement and other groups have previously read into gang behavior and looked at all the data available wouldn't you think? This has been going on in Chicago for years. So in that case when all else has failed, (which I believe we could be at that point) what do you do??
Your making some assumptions. I don't know how thoroughly Chicago has looked into interventions that could work. Also when you say "all else has failed", that means they've tried everything, which is really unlikely.

Then perhaps the Feds (In suits, not combat gear) should come in and see why, in your eyes, everything hasn't been looked into why thousands of Americans are killing each other annually in Chicago the past decade..

Spiritual_Chaos · January 2017

Jason P said:
Maybe she was correct to have this reaction at the inauguration ...

Still a pretty funny reaction

This one too;

Wma31394 · January 2017

cottagesteeze said:

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:
Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!
Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?
Well I suggest we get to the root of the problem and work from the ground up. The root isn't poverty, gangs, and drugs. I think it is commonly agreed upon that racial injustice over the past generations is the true root problem. That led to poverty, gangs, drugs, and tribalism. African Americans couldn't rely on the cops or courts to protect and serve them, so they had to take matters in their own hands (or so they thought). Jump ahead to early 2017 and the DOJ releases reports about how unjust the Chicago police is.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/925846/download

Trump's solution: stop doing DOJ investigations because police are great and send in the military.
My solution: fix the racial problem, train cops better, work on community outreach programs. I don't foresee the military causing gangsters to all the sudden "see the light" for some reason.

Unfortunately attempts at your solutions have already failed based on the raw numbers.

HesCalledDyer · January 2017

We've mocked the last 3 Presidents by calling them "Hitler" when in reality they were nowhere near close. It's just if you were red, it was the cool thing to call the blue guy and if you were blue it was the cool thing to call the red guy. Now, I'm pretty sure we're not far off from it becoming reality.
Buckle up, America. We've done fucked ourselves. I can't believe one single person voted for this fucker let alone STILL tries to defend him. UNFUCKINGREAL.

PJ_Soul · January 2017

BS44325 said:

Kat said:
When you google censorship of the media...

Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.
C'mon Kat...you've censored far more people then Trump ever has. Sure this is a forum with rules to be enforced but federal agencies (which include national parks) also have rules with respect to communications and federal employees are expected to follow those rules. If employees of these agencies disagree with the politics of their leaders then they can resign. One has a right to free speech but they don't have the right to operate outside the rules of this forum or outside of the rules of their employer.

Kat specifically brought up censorship OF THE MEDIA. Totally different, and EXTREMELY dangerous to everyone's freedom.

tbergs · January 2017

cottagesteeze said:

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:

Wma31394 said:

Go Beavers said:
Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!
Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?
Well I suggest we get to the root of the problem and work from the ground up. The root isn't poverty, gangs, and drugs. I think it is commonly agreed upon that racial injustice over the past generations is the true root problem. That led to poverty, gangs, drugs, and tribalism. African Americans couldn't rely on the cops or courts to protect and serve them, so they had to take matters in their own hands (or so they thought). Jump ahead to early 2017 and the DOJ releases reports about how unjust the Chicago police is.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/925846/download

Trump's solution: stop doing DOJ investigations because police are great and send in the military.
My solution: fix the racial problem, train cops better, work on community outreach programs. I don't foresee the military causing gangsters to all the sudden "see the light" for some reason.

This would be the most effective solution, but it cannot be achieved in the time Trump or anyone else is willing to wait to see the results. They want quick results and immediate change, which is impossible.

To those who are in support of the feds moving in, what is it that you think they can change? Additional people on the ground? I don't know what Chicago PD has been implementing to curb this, but I would hope they have been looking at root causes and focusing on the pockets of high level violence. Increased patrols and response is not a solution, it's a band-aid. They will need to mobilize in the community and get in to the neighborhoods at a deep level to start getting results and if they don't have the faith or trust from the community, nothing will change until they do.

JC29856 · January 2017

Trump asking for a voter fraud investigation.

He also asking for an investigation into whether someone's beliefs constitutes a lie.
Ex.The boys and girls believe in Santa Claus, the boys and girls are liars.

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