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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499

    PJPOWER said:

    Then I will buy buy buy! Sell high, buy low!

    No, you will lose all your current investments is what you'll do. Because you won't have secret insider info on when to sell. And you won't have money to buy, buy, buy! Did you not pay attention to the Reagan and Dubya administrations?
    You act as though I would have all of my current investments in one basket...that's dense.
  • PJPOWER said:

    my2hands said:

    PJPOWER said:

    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Meanwhile, the Dow is at an all time high.
    http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

    It was all because of The Don.

    Good fiscal govern-ship for the last 8 years has nothing to do with it.

    I seem to remember Bush 2 taking over a robust economy. I can't remember how that turned out.

    I think I'm with you guys, lets give The Don a chance to fuck this up.
    You should probably give him a little credit for this...
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-cracks-20000-milestone-intraday-for-the-first-time-2017-01-25
    Or
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-markets-20170125-story,amp.html?client=safari

    I'll give Obama credit for keeping it low so that people were able to buy cheap...hope you didn't miss the boat!
    Obama kept the DOW low?
    That's what it's starting to look like...
    You do realize that under Obama the Dow went from like 7000 to 19990 right? Not so sure I'd call that keeping it low...
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    JC29856 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!

    No shit. I wonder what the chain of command is for something like that. Would Rahm or our piece of shit Governor Rauner have to make a request for the feds to step in?
    Yes. The governor has to make the request. Think back to Katrina. Bush couldn't send troops until Governor Blanco made the official request.
    Which bring us to multiple scenarios of agencies and government employees not following our new dictators orders. What follows that, and what are the implications? The system runs on a certain level of faith and trust. Trump is effing with that and he has no clue whatsoever.
    No. It doesn't lead to multiple scenerios. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act detail requirements and limitations for a federal government to intervene.
    You're just referring to what trump said about Chicago. But even in that single scenario, trump will interpret those as giving him permission to send "the feds". He will probably be told no, and then it what hapoens after that matters. You seem to be under the impression that trump is educated on anything about the federal government and is willing to respect the limits placed on it.
    He also has a pen and a phone.
    Yawn. Yup, he's just like Obama. Got it.
    With the big difference being that Trump will not tolerate the carnage that is Chicago.
    I wonder how Unsung feels about federal jack booted thugs occupying his city? Maybe he's okay with it seeing how it'll be predominately minority occupied neighborhoods that'll be occupied?
    would

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    When you google censorship of the media...

    Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

    C'mon Kat...you've censored far more people then Trump ever has. Sure this is a forum with rules to be enforced but federal agencies (which include national parks) also have rules with respect to communications and federal employees are expected to follow those rules. If employees of these agencies disagree with the politics of their leaders then they can resign. One has a right to free speech but they don't have the right to operate outside the rules of this forum or outside of the rules of their employer.
    Kat specifically brought up censorship OF THE MEDIA. Totally different, and EXTREMELY dangerous to everyone's freedom.
    Except nobody was concerned when Obama prosecuted members of the media or disparaged media sources on the right.
    when did he do that? did he refuse to answer their questions at pressers?
    I am not surprised that most of you are unfamiliar with Obama's record on press freedom and the prosecution of journalists and whistleblowers but here's a little taste

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/opinion/sunday/if-donald-trump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html


    oh please. a biased opinion piece. next.
    Here are some unbiased facts for you

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Department_of_Justice_investigations_of_reporters

    But I wouldn't be surprised if you brush this off as well. Press freedom was under assault and nobody made a peep.
    Didn't you see what happened here? Hysterical post after hysterical post, raid fire, then a topic emerges (obama and media) and the evidence doesn't fit the majority narrative, then everyone went to lunch. Phil Collins drum kit!
    I reacted to the first thing he posted, which was a clearly biased opinion piece, which is hardly digestible as truth. I've been looking into it a little deeper since then, and yes, it looks as if the original sentiment was true. further analysis is required. I hate that I have to read something, then research the political leanings of the author. nothing is just fucking news anymore. it's news with a slant.
    I appreciate this response. It is an opinion piece but it is very well sourced with lots of links within the article. It also is written by someone with first hand knowledge. I don't fault you for having your sensors up.
  • InHiding80InHiding80 Posts: 7,623
    edited January 2017
    PJPOWER said:
    Not tolerating intolerance isn't intolerance.
    Post edited by Kat on
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    When you google censorship of the media...

    Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

    C'mon Kat...you've censored far more people then Trump ever has. Sure this is a forum with rules to be enforced but federal agencies (which include national parks) also have rules with respect to communications and federal employees are expected to follow those rules. If employees of these agencies disagree with the politics of their leaders then they can resign. One has a right to free speech but they don't have the right to operate outside the rules of this forum or outside of the rules of their employer.
    Kat specifically brought up censorship OF THE MEDIA. Totally different, and EXTREMELY dangerous to everyone's freedom.
    Except nobody was concerned when Obama prosecuted members of the media or disparaged media sources on the right.
    when did he do that? did he refuse to answer their questions at pressers?
    He trashed Fox news for their tactics. I applauded him for that, and it isn't even close to comparable to what Trump is doing. I feel like Professor BS has made the decision to not acknowledge the difference between right and wrong, facts and non-facts, news and fake news, or news vs propaganda.
    One woman's Fox is another woman's CNN. I find Trump continually calling out CNN to be distasteful...I am not supporting him on this. My point is that people on here who were ok with Obama calling out Fox have set themselves up for Trump doing the same. You can't have it both ways PJSoul.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    PJPOWER said:

    Then I will buy buy buy! Sell high, buy low!

    Now might be a good time to sell. I am definitely looking into it.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    When you google censorship of the media...

    Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

    C'mon Kat...you've censored far more people then Trump ever has. Sure this is a forum with rules to be enforced but federal agencies (which include national parks) also have rules with respect to communications and federal employees are expected to follow those rules. If employees of these agencies disagree with the politics of their leaders then they can resign. One has a right to free speech but they don't have the right to operate outside the rules of this forum or outside of the rules of their employer.
    Kat specifically brought up censorship OF THE MEDIA. Totally different, and EXTREMELY dangerous to everyone's freedom.
    Except nobody was concerned when Obama prosecuted members of the media or disparaged media sources on the right.
    when did he do that? did he refuse to answer their questions at pressers?
    He trashed Fox news for their tactics. I applauded him for that, and it isn't even close to comparable to what Trump is doing. I feel like Professor BS has made the decision to not acknowledge the difference between right and wrong, facts and non-facts, news and fake news, or news vs propaganda.
    One woman's Fox is another woman's CNN. I find Trump continually calling out CNN to be distasteful...I am not supporting him on this. My point is that people on here who were ok with Obama calling out Fox have set themselves up for Trump doing the same. You can't have it both ways PJSoul.
    That's hilarious. Explain exactly what you mean by Fox versus CNN. :i_dunno:
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,781
    BS44325 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Then I will buy buy buy! Sell high, buy low!

    Now might be a good time to sell. I am definitely looking into it.
    I'm thinking about a month before tax day....
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • PJPOWER said:
    Brutal.

    Cletus did a good job brushing the fire out though I reckon.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJPOWER said:

    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Meanwhile, the Dow is at an all time high.
    http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

    It was all because of The Don.

    Good fiscal govern-ship for the last 8 years has nothing to do with it.

    I seem to remember Bush 2 taking over a robust economy. I can't remember how that turned out.

    I think I'm with you guys, lets give The Don a chance to fuck this up.
    You should probably give him a little credit for this...
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-cracks-20000-milestone-intraday-for-the-first-time-2017-01-25
    Or
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-markets-20170125-story,amp.html?client=safari

    I'll give Obama credit for keeping it low so that people were able to buy cheap...hope you didn't miss the boat!
    How can anyone afford to buy anything? 45% of the US working population, or is it 60%, is unemployed.
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  • Ummmm, the Pentagon is now trolling the President? National parks are one thing, but this is kinda scary, no?

    We just might witness a purge.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    PJPOWER said:
    Usually when I try to attempt a homicide, I try to leave the scene of the crime as quickly and as quietly as possible.

    CIA needs to recruit that girl, take her to the black sites, give her a pair of pliers and just tell her the captive is a Trump supporter.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,781

    PJPOWER said:

    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Meanwhile, the Dow is at an all time high.
    http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

    It was all because of The Don.

    Good fiscal govern-ship for the last 8 years has nothing to do with it.

    I seem to remember Bush 2 taking over a robust economy. I can't remember how that turned out.

    I think I'm with you guys, lets give The Don a chance to fuck this up.
    You should probably give him a little credit for this...
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-cracks-20000-milestone-intraday-for-the-first-time-2017-01-25
    Or
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-markets-20170125-story,amp.html?client=safari

    I'll give Obama credit for keeping it low so that people were able to buy cheap...hope you didn't miss the boat!
    How can anyone afford to buy anything? 45% of the US working population, or is it 60%, is unemployed.
    Illegal immigrants are doing all of the spending, obviously. Americans are too busy buying Chinese products.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    sachtriv said:

    PJPOWER said:

    my2hands said:

    PJPOWER said:

    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Meanwhile, the Dow is at an all time high.
    http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

    It was all because of The Don.

    Good fiscal govern-ship for the last 8 years has nothing to do with it.

    I seem to remember Bush 2 taking over a robust economy. I can't remember how that turned out.

    I think I'm with you guys, lets give The Don a chance to fuck this up.
    You should probably give him a little credit for this...
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-cracks-20000-milestone-intraday-for-the-first-time-2017-01-25
    Or
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-markets-20170125-story,amp.html?client=safari

    I'll give Obama credit for keeping it low so that people were able to buy cheap...hope you didn't miss the boat!
    Obama kept the DOW low?
    That's what it's starting to look like...
    You do realize that under Obama the Dow went from like 7000 to 19990 right? Not so sure I'd call that keeping it low...
    #AlternativeFacts
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    my2hands said:

    sachtriv said:

    PJPOWER said:

    my2hands said:

    PJPOWER said:

    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Meanwhile, the Dow is at an all time high.
    http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

    It was all because of The Don.

    Good fiscal govern-ship for the last 8 years has nothing to do with it.

    I seem to remember Bush 2 taking over a robust economy. I can't remember how that turned out.

    I think I'm with you guys, lets give The Don a chance to fuck this up.
    You should probably give him a little credit for this...
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-cracks-20000-milestone-intraday-for-the-first-time-2017-01-25
    Or
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-markets-20170125-story,amp.html?client=safari

    I'll give Obama credit for keeping it low so that people were able to buy cheap...hope you didn't miss the boat!
    Obama kept the DOW low?
    That's what it's starting to look like...
    You do realize that under Obama the Dow went from like 7000 to 19990 right? Not so sure I'd call that keeping it low...
    #AlternativeFacts
    As the Alternative Fact Spreader in Chief, I demand an immediate cease and desist of any and all alternative facts!
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    PJPOWER said:

    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Meanwhile, the Dow is at an all time high.
    http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

    It was all because of The Don.

    Good fiscal govern-ship for the last 8 years has nothing to do with it.

    I seem to remember Bush 2 taking over a robust economy. I can't remember how that turned out.

    I think I'm with you guys, lets give The Don a chance to fuck this up.
    You should probably give him a little credit for this...
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-cracks-20000-milestone-intraday-for-the-first-time-2017-01-25
    Or
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-markets-20170125-story,amp.html?client=safari

    I'll give Obama credit for keeping it low so that people were able to buy cheap...hope you didn't miss the boat!
    How can anyone afford to buy anything? 45% of the US working population, or is it 60%, is unemployed.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2016/10/09/savings-study/91083712/

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/03/how-much-americans-at-every-age-have-in-their-savings-accounts.html
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,936

    i guess u didmt want yopur taxes goes to obama care..now will go to build the wall in mexico boarders..hahahahah

    Right? The amount of money that will spent on the wall is absolutely massive. A low estimate is around $30 Billion, not counting the legal expenses, and not counting the maintenance and patrolling that will follow indefinitely (not to mention the environmental impact). :fearful: This fucking wall will end up being an astronomical expense to Americans. Seems to me like it will cost Americans much more than the problem it's supposed to fix. But hey, as long as it somehow makes Trump and his friends lots of money, which I'm sure it will. How many stocks does Trump hold in the companies that will build and supply for this wall? As many as he holds in the pipeline companies he just signed an executive order for? Or more?
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  • BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    When you google censorship of the media...

    Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

    C'mon Kat...you've censored far more people then Trump ever has. Sure this is a forum with rules to be enforced but federal agencies (which include national parks) also have rules with respect to communications and federal employees are expected to follow those rules. If employees of these agencies disagree with the politics of their leaders then they can resign. One has a right to free speech but they don't have the right to operate outside the rules of this forum or outside of the rules of their employer.
    Kat specifically brought up censorship OF THE MEDIA. Totally different, and EXTREMELY dangerous to everyone's freedom.
    Except nobody was concerned when Obama prosecuted members of the media or disparaged media sources on the right.
    when did he do that? did he refuse to answer their questions at pressers?
    He trashed Fox news for their tactics. I applauded him for that, and it isn't even close to comparable to what Trump is doing. I feel like Professor BS has made the decision to not acknowledge the difference between right and wrong, facts and non-facts, news and fake news, or news vs propaganda.
    One woman's Fox is another woman's CNN. I find Trump continually calling out CNN to be distasteful...I am not supporting him on this. My point is that people on here who were ok with Obama calling out Fox have set themselves up for Trump doing the same. You can't have it both ways PJSoul.
    sorry dude, CNN is clearly NOT the same as Fox. not by a longshot.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,936
    edited January 2017
    Looks like we're officially on the false equivalency train. It is the last Republican defense, apparently.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited January 2017
    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Meanwhile, the Dow is at an all time high.
    http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

    It was all because of The Don.

    Good fiscal govern-ship for the last 8 years has nothing to do with it.

    I seem to remember Bush 2 taking over a robust economy. I can't remember how that turned out.

    I think I'm with you guys, lets give The Don a chance to fuck this up.
    You should probably give him a little credit for this...
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-cracks-20000-milestone-intraday-for-the-first-time-2017-01-25
    Or
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-markets-20170125-story,amp.html?client=safari

    I'll give Obama credit for keeping it low so that people were able to buy cheap...hope you didn't miss the boat!
    How can anyone afford to buy anything? 45% of the US working population, or is it 60%, is unemployed.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2016/10/09/savings-study/91083712/

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/03/how-much-americans-at-every-age-have-in-their-savings-accounts.html
    That's crazy! Personally, I jumped on the Dave Ramsey train and never looked back. Hopefully I never have a reason to go into debt again!
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,781
    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Meanwhile, the Dow is at an all time high.
    http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

    It was all because of The Don.

    Good fiscal govern-ship for the last 8 years has nothing to do with it.

    I seem to remember Bush 2 taking over a robust economy. I can't remember how that turned out.

    I think I'm with you guys, lets give The Don a chance to fuck this up.
    You should probably give him a little credit for this...
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-cracks-20000-milestone-intraday-for-the-first-time-2017-01-25
    Or
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-markets-20170125-story,amp.html?client=safari

    I'll give Obama credit for keeping it low so that people were able to buy cheap...hope you didn't miss the boat!
    How can anyone afford to buy anything? 45% of the US working population, or is it 60%, is unemployed.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2016/10/09/savings-study/91083712/

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/03/how-much-americans-at-every-age-have-in-their-savings-accounts.html
    That's crazy! Personally, I jumped on the Dave Ramsey train and never looked back. Hopefully I never have a reason to go into debt again!
    That Dave Ramsey stuff was pretty good. Got it all free through my wife's work 10 years ago.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited January 2017
    tbergs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Meanwhile, the Dow is at an all time high.
    http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

    It was all because of The Don.

    Good fiscal govern-ship for the last 8 years has nothing to do with it.

    I seem to remember Bush 2 taking over a robust economy. I can't remember how that turned out.

    I think I'm with you guys, lets give The Don a chance to fuck this up.
    You should probably give him a little credit for this...
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-cracks-20000-milestone-intraday-for-the-first-time-2017-01-25
    Or
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-markets-20170125-story,amp.html?client=safari

    I'll give Obama credit for keeping it low so that people were able to buy cheap...hope you didn't miss the boat!
    How can anyone afford to buy anything? 45% of the US working population, or is it 60%, is unemployed.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2016/10/09/savings-study/91083712/

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/03/how-much-americans-at-every-age-have-in-their-savings-accounts.html
    That's crazy! Personally, I jumped on the Dave Ramsey train and never looked back. Hopefully I never have a reason to go into debt again!
    That Dave Ramsey stuff was pretty good. Got it all free through my wife's work 10 years ago.
    Changed our life and our whole view of money. Now we are at a point where we can "live more and give more". If only more people would buy into it instead of keeping on spending frivolously with money they do not have. "The debtor is slave to the lender". We actually just payed outright cash for our first vehicle a couple days ago!
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,936
    edited January 2017
    PJPOWER said:

    tbergs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Meanwhile, the Dow is at an all time high.
    http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

    It was all because of The Don.

    Good fiscal govern-ship for the last 8 years has nothing to do with it.

    I seem to remember Bush 2 taking over a robust economy. I can't remember how that turned out.

    I think I'm with you guys, lets give The Don a chance to fuck this up.
    You should probably give him a little credit for this...
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-cracks-20000-milestone-intraday-for-the-first-time-2017-01-25
    Or
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-markets-20170125-story,amp.html?client=safari

    I'll give Obama credit for keeping it low so that people were able to buy cheap...hope you didn't miss the boat!
    How can anyone afford to buy anything? 45% of the US working population, or is it 60%, is unemployed.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2016/10/09/savings-study/91083712/

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/03/how-much-americans-at-every-age-have-in-their-savings-accounts.html
    That's crazy! Personally, I jumped on the Dave Ramsey train and never looked back. Hopefully I never have a reason to go into debt again!
    That Dave Ramsey stuff was pretty good. Got it all free through my wife's work 10 years ago.
    Changed our life and our whole view of money. Now we are at a point where we can "live more and give more". If only more people would buy into it instead of keeping on spending frivolously with money they do not have. "The debtor is slave to the lender".
    I've always found that slave comparison a little.... off. I mean, people choose to get into debt with the understanding of what the terms are, so I just think the "slave" analogy, which I see all the time, is one that transfers responsibility off of the borrower, which I think is wrong, unless you're talking about a situation where it was literally debt or death, like with some people who suffer under the American healthcare system. But at any rate, I know what you're trying to say, and yeah, debt is just rotten. As someone who just paid off ALL her debt a couple of months ago, I can confirm that being totally debt free is absolutely glorious. That weight that everyone is always talking about is very real. It's like my entire life is better since the debt finally disappeared. I was really hurtin' from it for some years.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJPOWER said:

    tbergs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Meanwhile, the Dow is at an all time high.
    http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

    It was all because of The Don.

    Good fiscal govern-ship for the last 8 years has nothing to do with it.

    I seem to remember Bush 2 taking over a robust economy. I can't remember how that turned out.

    I think I'm with you guys, lets give The Don a chance to fuck this up.
    You should probably give him a little credit for this...
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-cracks-20000-milestone-intraday-for-the-first-time-2017-01-25
    Or
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-markets-20170125-story,amp.html?client=safari

    I'll give Obama credit for keeping it low so that people were able to buy cheap...hope you didn't miss the boat!
    How can anyone afford to buy anything? 45% of the US working population, or is it 60%, is unemployed.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2016/10/09/savings-study/91083712/

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/03/how-much-americans-at-every-age-have-in-their-savings-accounts.html
    That's crazy! Personally, I jumped on the Dave Ramsey train and never looked back. Hopefully I never have a reason to go into debt again!
    That Dave Ramsey stuff was pretty good. Got it all free through my wife's work 10 years ago.
    Changed our life and our whole view of money. Now we are at a point where we can "live more and give more". If only more people would buy into it instead of keeping on spending frivolously with money they do not have. "The debtor is slave to the lender".
    I've always found that slave comparison a little.... off. I mean, people choose to get into debt, so I just think the "slave" analogy, which I see all the time, one that transfers responsibility off of the borrower, which I think is wrong. But at any rate, I know what you're trying to say, and yeah, debt is just rotten. As someone who just paid off ALL her debt a couple of months ago, I can confirm that being totally debt free is absolutely glorious. That weight that everyone is always talking about is very real. It's like my entire life is better since the debt finally disappeared. I was really hurtin' from it for some years.
    Congratulations!!! Love hearing that people are taking control of their lives and finances!
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,936
    PJPOWER said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJPOWER said:

    tbergs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Meanwhile, the Dow is at an all time high.
    http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

    It was all because of The Don.

    Good fiscal govern-ship for the last 8 years has nothing to do with it.

    I seem to remember Bush 2 taking over a robust economy. I can't remember how that turned out.

    I think I'm with you guys, lets give The Don a chance to fuck this up.
    You should probably give him a little credit for this...
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-cracks-20000-milestone-intraday-for-the-first-time-2017-01-25
    Or
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-markets-20170125-story,amp.html?client=safari

    I'll give Obama credit for keeping it low so that people were able to buy cheap...hope you didn't miss the boat!
    How can anyone afford to buy anything? 45% of the US working population, or is it 60%, is unemployed.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2016/10/09/savings-study/91083712/

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/03/how-much-americans-at-every-age-have-in-their-savings-accounts.html
    That's crazy! Personally, I jumped on the Dave Ramsey train and never looked back. Hopefully I never have a reason to go into debt again!
    That Dave Ramsey stuff was pretty good. Got it all free through my wife's work 10 years ago.
    Changed our life and our whole view of money. Now we are at a point where we can "live more and give more". If only more people would buy into it instead of keeping on spending frivolously with money they do not have. "The debtor is slave to the lender".
    I've always found that slave comparison a little.... off. I mean, people choose to get into debt, so I just think the "slave" analogy, which I see all the time, one that transfers responsibility off of the borrower, which I think is wrong. But at any rate, I know what you're trying to say, and yeah, debt is just rotten. As someone who just paid off ALL her debt a couple of months ago, I can confirm that being totally debt free is absolutely glorious. That weight that everyone is always talking about is very real. It's like my entire life is better since the debt finally disappeared. I was really hurtin' from it for some years.
    Congratulations!!! Love hearing that people are taking control of their lives and finances!
    Thank you! :) I hope everyone here can somehow find a way to get out from under that rock! It can be so hard though. Sometimes impossible. Good luck to all!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427
    Kat said:
    where are you PJ? i love this song by the way
  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427
    JC29856 said:

    j1kotwic said:

    pjhawks said:

    j1kotwic said:

    j1kotwic said:

    vaggar99 said:

    who here still supports this guy? and why?

    Stupidity and racism.
    I support him because Americans elected him and he is our now our president. I voted for him because I thought he was a better option than Hillary. That doesn't mean I'm aligned with him on every issue though. This means I'm a stupid racist?



    So you made a really bad decision. And now you're just going to 'fall in line' because he's your president? My gawd man.

    And sorry, but questions regarding your critical thinking ability emerge when you say you "thought he was a better option..." You might be a hell of a guy, but eesh. Trump was a steep price to pay to stick it to the establishment (not that you did that anyways... you voted for an silver spoon fed billionaire instead of a millionaire).
    I don't think I made a bad decision. I think I voted for the better of the two options... it was a difficult decision that I struggled with at times. I think you guys need to realize that half of the voters chose a different candidate than you and not all of them are morons and/or racists.

    clearly not all who voted for him are racists but the other description seems pretty apt.
    Ah ha, so there is someone in AMT who believes that non-racist Trump voters exist. So you won't agree that not all Trump voters are stupid... I consider myself to be a pretty smart guy. But I suppose most stupid people consider themselves to be smart. Shit maybe I am stupid and just don't know it. And to think all of this could have been avoided if I voted like you.

    In all seriousness, I think it's stupid to judge someone you've never met based on who they voted for... and it seems like there is way too much of this going on these days - especially here in AMT. I'd be happy to participate in a meaningful discussion about this election but if I'm considered by everyone on here to be a stupid racist right off the bat then I guess there's no point in trying. That's pretty much why I usually read AMT and don't post. You guys are like the Fox News of the left, except worse. Doesn't anyone see that?
    Well said. You're touching on the reasons why many don't bother posting here.
    the ones who do, i admire your eloquence. however, none of you make much of attempt to defend this man
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,936
    edited January 2017
    I think people who are happy to support or defend someone who has said and done the things that Trump has said and done.... well, let's just say I don't respect for someone who supports or defends a rapist or a racist or a fascist, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect me to.
    So please, if someone who voted for Trump can justify voting for a sexual predator who used racism to incite his supporters and is employing blatantly fascist propaganda tactics without shame, and who has glaring conflicts of interest and who chose a cabinet who is worth more than 1/3 of the entire American population, I'm all ears. But so far, nobody has really even attempted to explain this reasoning. Perhaps that's because there is no excuse for voting for such a person, despite the fear of "maintaining the establishment", which, of course, Trump is totally doing, but just with his own cronies who have even more money to make and have even less interest in what's good for American citizens?
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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