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    cottagesteezecottagesteeze St. Paul, MN Posts: 218
    Wma31394 said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!

    Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
    Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
    I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?
    Well I suggest we get to the root of the problem and work from the ground up. The root isn't poverty, gangs, and drugs. I think it is commonly agreed upon that racial injustice over the past generations is the true root problem. That led to poverty, gangs, drugs, and tribalism. African Americans couldn't rely on the cops or courts to protect and serve them, so they had to take matters in their own hands (or so they thought). Jump ahead to early 2017 and the DOJ releases reports about how unjust the Chicago police is.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/925846/download

    Trump's solution: stop doing DOJ investigations because police are great and send in the military.
    My solution: fix the racial problem, train cops better, work on community outreach programs. I don't foresee the military causing gangsters to all the sudden "see the light" for some reason.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,731
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!

    No shit. I wonder what the chain of command is for something like that. Would Rahm or our piece of shit Governor Rauner have to make a request for the feds to step in?
    Yes. The governor has to make the request. Think back to Katrina. Bush couldn't send troops until Governor Blanco made the official request.
    Which bring us to multiple scenarios of agencies and government employees not following our new dictators orders. What follows that, and what are the implications? The system runs on a certain level of faith and trust. Trump is effing with that and he has no clue whatsoever.
    No. It doesn't lead to multiple scenerios. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act detail requirements and limitations for a federal government to intervene.
    You're just referring to what trump said about Chicago. But even in that single scenario, trump will interpret those as giving him permission to send "the feds". He will probably be told no, and then it what hapoens after that matters. You seem to be under the impression that trump is educated on anything about the federal government and is willing to respect the limits placed on it.
    He also has a pen and a phone.
    Yawn. Yup, he's just like Obama. Got it.
    With the big difference being that Trump will not tolerate the carnage that is Chicago.
    He's our new law and order dictator. Just don't step out of line.
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    Maybe she was correct to have this reaction at the inauguration ...



    Still a pretty funny reaction
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    Wma31394Wma31394 Posts: 3,045

    Wma31394 said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!

    Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
    Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
    I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?
    I recommend first that people reject any trump proposal that includes larger, heavy handed federal government response (which will be most of his proposals outside of budget cuts) then I recommend that people read about gang behavior and gang interventions. Then they should look at all that data broadly, come up with their own ideas (borrowed or new) about what to do and go from there. It can be ppealing to to some to default to the lowest common denominator of a police state, but you should fight that urge.
    Very solid recommendations..i would bet that law enforcement and other groups have previously read into gang behavior and looked at all the data available wouldn't you think? This has been going on in Chicago for years. So in that case when all else has failed, (which I believe we could be at that point) what do you do??
    Wma31394 said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!

    Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
    Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
    I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?
    I recommend first that people reject any trump proposal that includes larger, heavy handed federal government response (which will be most of his proposals outside of budget cuts) then I recommend that people read about gang behavior and gang interventions. Then they should look at all that data broadly, come up with their own ideas (borrowed or new) about what to do and go from there. It can be ppealing to to some to default to the lowest common denominator of a police state, but you should fight that urge.
    Very solid recommendations..i would bet that law enforcement and other groups have previously read into gang behavior and looked at all the data available wouldn't you think? This has been going on in Chicago for years. So in that case when all else has failed, (which I believe we could be at that point) what do you do??
    Your making some assumptions. I don't know how thoroughly Chicago has looked into interventions that could work. Also when you say "all else has failed", that means they've tried everything, which is really unlikely.
    Then perhaps the Feds (In suits, not combat gear) should come in and see why, in your eyes, everything hasn't been looked into why thousands of Americans are killing each other annually in Chicago the past decade..
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    Jason P said:

    Maybe she was correct to have this reaction at the inauguration ...



    Still a pretty funny reaction

    This one too;


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Wma31394Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    edited January 2017

    Wma31394 said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!

    Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
    Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
    I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?
    Well I suggest we get to the root of the problem and work from the ground up. The root isn't poverty, gangs, and drugs. I think it is commonly agreed upon that racial injustice over the past generations is the true root problem. That led to poverty, gangs, drugs, and tribalism. African Americans couldn't rely on the cops or courts to protect and serve them, so they had to take matters in their own hands (or so they thought). Jump ahead to early 2017 and the DOJ releases reports about how unjust the Chicago police is.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/925846/download

    Trump's solution: stop doing DOJ investigations because police are great and send in the military.
    My solution: fix the racial problem, train cops better, work on community outreach programs. I don't foresee the military causing gangsters to all the sudden "see the light" for some reason.
    Unfortunately attempts at your solutions have already failed based on the raw numbers.
    Post edited by Wma31394 on
    "Going where the water tastes like wine!"
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,424
    edited January 2017
    We've mocked the last 3 Presidents by calling them "Hitler" when in reality they were nowhere near close. It's just if you were red, it was the cool thing to call the blue guy and if you were blue it was the cool thing to call the red guy. Now, I'm pretty sure we're not far off from it becoming reality.
    Buckle up, America. We've done fucked ourselves. I can't believe one single person voted for this fucker let alone STILL tries to defend him. UNFUCKINGREAL.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,750
    edited January 2017
    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    When you google censorship of the media...

    Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

    C'mon Kat...you've censored far more people then Trump ever has. Sure this is a forum with rules to be enforced but federal agencies (which include national parks) also have rules with respect to communications and federal employees are expected to follow those rules. If employees of these agencies disagree with the politics of their leaders then they can resign. One has a right to free speech but they don't have the right to operate outside the rules of this forum or outside of the rules of their employer.
    Kat specifically brought up censorship OF THE MEDIA. Totally different, and EXTREMELY dangerous to everyone's freedom.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,318

    Wma31394 said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!

    Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
    Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
    I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?
    Well I suggest we get to the root of the problem and work from the ground up. The root isn't poverty, gangs, and drugs. I think it is commonly agreed upon that racial injustice over the past generations is the true root problem. That led to poverty, gangs, drugs, and tribalism. African Americans couldn't rely on the cops or courts to protect and serve them, so they had to take matters in their own hands (or so they thought). Jump ahead to early 2017 and the DOJ releases reports about how unjust the Chicago police is.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/925846/download

    Trump's solution: stop doing DOJ investigations because police are great and send in the military.
    My solution: fix the racial problem, train cops better, work on community outreach programs. I don't foresee the military causing gangsters to all the sudden "see the light" for some reason.
    This would be the most effective solution, but it cannot be achieved in the time Trump or anyone else is willing to wait to see the results. They want quick results and immediate change, which is impossible.

    To those who are in support of the feds moving in, what is it that you think they can change? Additional people on the ground? I don't know what Chicago PD has been implementing to curb this, but I would hope they have been looking at root causes and focusing on the pockets of high level violence. Increased patrols and response is not a solution, it's a band-aid. They will need to mobilize in the community and get in to the neighborhoods at a deep level to start getting results and if they don't have the faith or trust from the community, nothing will change until they do.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Trump asking for a voter fraud investigation.

    He also asking for an investigation into whether someone's beliefs constitutes a lie.
    Ex.The boys and girls believe in Santa Claus, the boys and girls are liars.
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    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!

    No shit. I wonder what the chain of command is for something like that. Would Rahm or our piece of shit Governor Rauner have to make a request for the feds to step in?
    Yes. The governor has to make the request. Think back to Katrina. Bush couldn't send troops until Governor Blanco made the official request.
    Which bring us to multiple scenarios of agencies and government employees not following our new dictators orders. What follows that, and what are the implications? The system runs on a certain level of faith and trust. Trump is effing with that and he has no clue whatsoever.
    No. It doesn't lead to multiple scenerios. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act detail requirements and limitations for a federal government to intervene.
    You're just referring to what trump said about Chicago. But even in that single scenario, trump will interpret those as giving him permission to send "the feds". He will probably be told no, and then it what hapoens after that matters. You seem to be under the impression that trump is educated on anything about the federal government and is willing to respect the limits placed on it.
    He also has a pen and a phone.
    Yawn. Yup, he's just like Obama. Got it.
    With the big difference being that Trump will not tolerate the carnage that is Chicago.
    I wonder how Unsung feels about federal jack booted thugs occupying his city? Maybe he's okay with it seeing how it'll be predominately minority occupied neighborhoods that'll be occupied?
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    Wma31394 said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!

    Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
    Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
    I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?
    Well I suggest we get to the root of the problem and work from the ground up. The root isn't poverty, gangs, and drugs. I think it is commonly agreed upon that racial injustice over the past generations is the true root problem. That led to poverty, gangs, drugs, and tribalism. African Americans couldn't rely on the cops or courts to protect and serve them, so they had to take matters in their own hands (or so they thought). Jump ahead to early 2017 and the DOJ releases reports about how unjust the Chicago police is.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/925846/download

    Trump's solution: stop doing DOJ investigations because police are great and send in the military.
    My solution: fix the racial problem, train cops better, work on community outreach programs. I don't foresee the military causing gangsters to all the sudden "see the light" for some reason.
    And invest in minority neighborhoods through a multiple of ways.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    Wma31394 said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!

    Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
    Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
    I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?
    Well I suggest we get to the root of the problem and work from the ground up. The root isn't poverty, gangs, and drugs. I think it is commonly agreed upon that racial injustice over the past generations is the true root problem. That led to poverty, gangs, drugs, and tribalism. African Americans couldn't rely on the cops or courts to protect and serve them, so they had to take matters in their own hands (or so they thought). Jump ahead to early 2017 and the DOJ releases reports about how unjust the Chicago police is.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/925846/download

    Trump's solution: stop doing DOJ investigations because police are great and send in the military.
    My solution: fix the racial problem, train cops better, work on community outreach programs. I don't foresee the military causing gangsters to all the sudden "see the light" for some reason.
    So basically you want more of the same.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,090

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!

    No shit. I wonder what the chain of command is for something like that. Would Rahm or our piece of shit Governor Rauner have to make a request for the feds to step in?
    Yes. The governor has to make the request. Think back to Katrina. Bush couldn't send troops until Governor Blanco made the official request.
    Which bring us to multiple scenarios of agencies and government employees not following our new dictators orders. What follows that, and what are the implications? The system runs on a certain level of faith and trust. Trump is effing with that and he has no clue whatsoever.
    No. It doesn't lead to multiple scenerios. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act detail requirements and limitations for a federal government to intervene.
    You're just referring to what trump said about Chicago. But even in that single scenario, trump will interpret those as giving him permission to send "the feds". He will probably be told no, and then it what hapoens after that matters. You seem to be under the impression that trump is educated on anything about the federal government and is willing to respect the limits placed on it.
    He also has a pen and a phone.
    Yawn. Yup, he's just like Obama. Got it.
    With the big difference being that Trump will not tolerate the carnage that is Chicago.
    I wonder how Unsung feels about federal jack booted thugs occupying his city? Maybe he's okay with it seeing how it'll be predominately minority occupied neighborhoods that'll be occupied?
    as long as they don't threaten the white race, he'll be ok with it.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    When you google censorship of the media...

    Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

    C'mon Kat...you've censored far more people then Trump ever has. Sure this is a forum with rules to be enforced but federal agencies (which include national parks) also have rules with respect to communications and federal employees are expected to follow those rules. If employees of these agencies disagree with the politics of their leaders then they can resign. One has a right to free speech but they don't have the right to operate outside the rules of this forum or outside of the rules of their employer.
    Kat specifically brought up censorship OF THE MEDIA. Totally different, and EXTREMELY dangerous to everyone's freedom.
    Except nobody was concerned when Obama prosecuted members of the media or disparaged media sources on the right.
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    j1kotwic said:


    I don't think I made a bad decision. I think I voted for the better of the two options...

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the DOJ’s Violence Against Women programs.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Minority Business Development Agency.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Economic Development Administration.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the International Trade Administration.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Legal Services Corporation.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Environmental and Natural Resources Division of the DOJ.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.

    * On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Fossil Energy.

    * On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered all regulatory powers of all federal agencies frozen.

    * On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered the National Parks Service to stop using social media after RTing factual, side by side photos of the crowds for the 2009 and 2017 inaugurations.

    * On January 20th, 2017, roughly 230 protestors were arrested in DC and face unprecedented felony riot charges. Among them were legal observers, journalists, and medics.

    * On January 20th, 2017, a member of the International Workers of the World was shot in the stomach at an anti-fascist protest in Seattle. He remains in critical condition.

    * On January 21st, 2017, DT brought a group of 40 cheerleaders to a meeting with the CIA to cheer for him during a speech that consisted almost entirely of framing himself as the victim of dishonest press.

    * On January 21st, 2017, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference largely to attack the press for accurately reporting the size of attendance at the inaugural festivities, saying that the inauguration had the largest audience of any in history, “period.”

    * On January 22nd, 2017, White House advisor Kellyann Conway defended Spicer’s lies as “alternative facts” on national television news.

    * On January 22nd, 2017, DT appeared to blow a kiss to director James Comey during a meeting with the FBI, and then opened his arms in a gesture of strange, paternal affection, before hugging him with a pat on the back.

    * On January 23rd, 2017, DT reinstated the global gag order, which defunds international organizations that even mention abortion as a medical option.

    * On January 23rd, 2017, Spicer said that the US will not tolerate China’s expansion onto islands in the South China Sea, essentially threatening war with China.

    * On January 23rd, 2017, DT repeated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing him the popular vote.

    * On January 23rd, 2017, it was announced that the man who shot the anti-fascist protester in Seattle was released without charges, despite turning himself in.

    * On January 24th, 2017, Spicer reiterated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing DT the popular vote.

    * On January 24th, 2017, DT tweeted a picture from his personal Twitter account of a photo he says depicts the crowd at his inauguration and will hang in the White House press room. The photo is of the 2009 inauguration of 44th President Barack Obama, and is curiously dated January 21st, 2017, the day AFTER the inauguration and the day of the Women’s March, the largest inauguration related protest in history.

    * On January 24th, 2017, the EPA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to freeze all grants and contracts.

    * On January 24th, 2017, the USDA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to stop publishing any papers or research. All communication with the press would also have to be authorized and vetted by the White House.

    * On January 24th, 2017, HR7, a bill that would prohibit federal funding not only to abortion service providers, but to any insurance coverage, including Medicaid, that provides abortion coverage, went to the floor of the House for a vote.

    * On January 24th, 2017, DT ordered the resumption of construction on the Dakota Access Pipeline, while the North Dakota state congress considers a bill that would legalize hitting and killing protestors with cars if they are on roadways.

    * On January 24th, 2017, it was discovered that police officers had used confiscated cell phones to search the emails and messages of the 230 demonstrators now facing felony riot charges for protesting on January 20th, including lawyers and journalists whose email accounts contain privileged information of clients and sources.


    Sure you did x2.
    Excellent list! Did you create it, or is there a site that is tracking this? I was going to create a daily list during Trump's 1st 100 days, but figured there must already be some good sites doing this. If you did it, then good job!
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    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!

    No shit. I wonder what the chain of command is for something like that. Would Rahm or our piece of shit Governor Rauner have to make a request for the feds to step in?
    Yes. The governor has to make the request. Think back to Katrina. Bush couldn't send troops until Governor Blanco made the official request.
    Which bring us to multiple scenarios of agencies and government employees not following our new dictators orders. What follows that, and what are the implications? The system runs on a certain level of faith and trust. Trump is effing with that and he has no clue whatsoever.
    No. It doesn't lead to multiple scenerios. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act detail requirements and limitations for a federal government to intervene.
    You're just referring to what trump said about Chicago. But even in that single scenario, trump will interpret those as giving him permission to send "the feds". He will probably be told no, and then it what hapoens after that matters. You seem to be under the impression that trump is educated on anything about the federal government and is willing to respect the limits placed on it.
    He also has a pen and a phone.
    Yawn. Yup, he's just like Obama. Got it.
    With the big difference being that Trump will not tolerate the carnage that is Chicago.
    I wonder how Unsung feels about federal jack booted thugs occupying his city? Maybe he's okay with it seeing how it'll be predominately minority occupied neighborhoods that'll be occupied?
    as long as they don't threaten the white race, he'll be ok with it.
    Oh yea, preservation of the white race, I remember now. Yea, he's probably going to be good with it.
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    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    When you google censorship of the media...

    Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

    C'mon Kat...you've censored far more people then Trump ever has. Sure this is a forum with rules to be enforced but federal agencies (which include national parks) also have rules with respect to communications and federal employees are expected to follow those rules. If employees of these agencies disagree with the politics of their leaders then they can resign. One has a right to free speech but they don't have the right to operate outside the rules of this forum or outside of the rules of their employer.
    Kat specifically brought up censorship OF THE MEDIA. Totally different, and EXTREMELY dangerous to everyone's freedom.
    Except nobody was concerned when Obama prosecuted members of the media or disparaged media sources on the right.

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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,090
    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    When you google censorship of the media...

    Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

    C'mon Kat...you've censored far more people then Trump ever has. Sure this is a forum with rules to be enforced but federal agencies (which include national parks) also have rules with respect to communications and federal employees are expected to follow those rules. If employees of these agencies disagree with the politics of their leaders then they can resign. One has a right to free speech but they don't have the right to operate outside the rules of this forum or outside of the rules of their employer.
    Kat specifically brought up censorship OF THE MEDIA. Totally different, and EXTREMELY dangerous to everyone's freedom.
    Except nobody was concerned when Obama prosecuted members of the media or disparaged media sources on the right.
    when did he do that? did he refuse to answer their questions at pressers?
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,124
    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    When you google censorship of the media...

    Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

    C'mon Kat...you've censored far more people then Trump ever has. Sure this is a forum with rules to be enforced but federal agencies (which include national parks) also have rules with respect to communications and federal employees are expected to follow those rules. If employees of these agencies disagree with the politics of their leaders then they can resign. One has a right to free speech but they don't have the right to operate outside the rules of this forum or outside of the rules of their employer.
    Kat specifically brought up censorship OF THE MEDIA. Totally different, and EXTREMELY dangerous to everyone's freedom.
    Except nobody was concerned when Obama prosecuted members of the media or disparaged media sources on the right.
    I believe he gave Fox News a front row seat in the White House press corps when it became available.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    When you google censorship of the media...

    Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

    C'mon Kat...you've censored far more people then Trump ever has. Sure this is a forum with rules to be enforced but federal agencies (which include national parks) also have rules with respect to communications and federal employees are expected to follow those rules. If employees of these agencies disagree with the politics of their leaders then they can resign. One has a right to free speech but they don't have the right to operate outside the rules of this forum or outside of the rules of their employer.
    Kat specifically brought up censorship OF THE MEDIA. Totally different, and EXTREMELY dangerous to everyone's freedom.
    Except nobody was concerned when Obama prosecuted members of the media or disparaged media sources on the right.
    Don't forget prosecuting whistleblowers! Most in history. "Transparency"
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    Wma31394Wma31394 Posts: 3,045

    Wma31394 said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!

    Do you have a better idea to stop the violence? We can let these murder numbers climb another 25% this year and watch the city continue on a path to shit..Cops can't get it done, Rahm hasn't been able to, so what do we do? Get the Fed's in and help with the root cause..the poverty, the gangs, the drugs, etc.. I'm with "the donald" on this one. (Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the bafoon)..trademark josevolution.
    Fearful and desperate people tend to be the ones who end up supporting dictators.
    I am neither..what do you suggest in Chicago?
    Well I suggest we get to the root of the problem and work from the ground up. The root isn't poverty, gangs, and drugs. I think it is commonly agreed upon that racial injustice over the past generations is the true root problem. That led to poverty, gangs, drugs, and tribalism. African Americans couldn't rely on the cops or courts to protect and serve them, so they had to take matters in their own hands (or so they thought). Jump ahead to early 2017 and the DOJ releases reports about how unjust the Chicago police is.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/925846/download

    Trump's solution: stop doing DOJ investigations because police are great and send in the military.
    My solution: fix the racial problem, train cops better, work on community outreach programs. I don't foresee the military causing gangsters to all the sudden "see the light" for some reason.
    And invest in minority neighborhoods through a multiple of ways.
    Don't you guys think that local government, various social groups, the police, the Obama admin, local citizens, neighboorhod pastors, etc haven't tried?? This has been going on for years. Not just since the Donald started tweeting about it.
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499

    Jason P said:

    Maybe she was correct to have this reaction at the inauguration ...



    Still a pretty funny reaction

    This one too;


    She looks like she just smelled a fart! Lol. All of those big event meals have got to have consequences.
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    pictures tell a 1000 words...

    I think i figured out why she said she wanted to combat bullies as first lady... which seemed ironic at the time... she was talking about Donald... she is probably disgusted by him

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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    When you google censorship of the media...

    Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

    C'mon Kat...you've censored far more people then Trump ever has. Sure this is a forum with rules to be enforced but federal agencies (which include national parks) also have rules with respect to communications and federal employees are expected to follow those rules. If employees of these agencies disagree with the politics of their leaders then they can resign. One has a right to free speech but they don't have the right to operate outside the rules of this forum or outside of the rules of their employer.
    Kat specifically brought up censorship OF THE MEDIA. Totally different, and EXTREMELY dangerous to everyone's freedom.
    Except nobody was concerned when Obama prosecuted members of the media or disparaged media sources on the right.

    https://www.cpj.org/reports/2013/10/obama-and-the-press-us-leaks-surveillance-post-911.php
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    Ready to usher in a new era for civil rights? I'm sure we're heading back to when America Was Great in terms of civil rights in this country, especially with Trump's pick for the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division as the deputy assistant attorney general for civil rights. Reports are that he's appointing John Gore, who argued in court on behalf of North Carolina's HB2 bill, defended redistricting plans against claims of civil rights violations, and helped defend Florida's systematic purge of voter registrations in violation of the National Voter Registration Act. So a guy who has consistently been on the wrong side of civil rights fights is now in charge of protecting civil rights in this country? WTF???? Orwellian, indeed. Alternative Facts. Newspeak.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,318
    JC29856 said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    When you google censorship of the media...

    Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

    C'mon Kat...you've censored far more people then Trump ever has. Sure this is a forum with rules to be enforced but federal agencies (which include national parks) also have rules with respect to communications and federal employees are expected to follow those rules. If employees of these agencies disagree with the politics of their leaders then they can resign. One has a right to free speech but they don't have the right to operate outside the rules of this forum or outside of the rules of their employer.
    Kat specifically brought up censorship OF THE MEDIA. Totally different, and EXTREMELY dangerous to everyone's freedom.
    Except nobody was concerned when Obama prosecuted members of the media or disparaged media sources on the right.
    Don't forget prosecuting whistleblowers! Most in history. "Transparency"
    For once, I kind of agree with JC. Obama was not exactly all show and tell with the press or media, he just wasn't an asshole who drew attention to that.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/obama-hypocritical-journalism-lecture-213775#ixzz44OGdL074
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,090
    jeffbr said:

    Ready to usher in a new era for civil rights? I'm sure we're heading back to when America Was Great in terms of civil rights in this country, especially with Trump's pick for the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division as the deputy assistant attorney general for civil rights. Reports are that he's appointing John Gore, who argued in court on behalf of North Carolina's HB2 bill, defended redistricting plans against claims of civil rights violations, and helped defend Florida's systematic purge of voter registrations in violation of the National Voter Registration Act. So a guy who has consistently been on the wrong side of civil rights fights is now in charge of protecting civil rights in this country? WTF???? Orwellian, indeed. Alternative Facts. Newspeak.

    no different than his EPA pick being a guy who has sued and is sueing the EPA as we speak. or the private school booster in charge of the public school system.

    it's all just so surreal. I feel bad for my relatives who live in the US. one of whom is a teacher.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited January 2017

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Jesus H, he just threatened to bring "the feds"?!

    No shit. I wonder what the chain of command is for something like that. Would Rahm or our piece of shit Governor Rauner have to make a request for the feds to step in?
    Yes. The governor has to make the request. Think back to Katrina. Bush couldn't send troops until Governor Blanco made the official request.
    Which bring us to multiple scenarios of agencies and government employees not following our new dictators orders. What follows that, and what are the implications? The system runs on a certain level of faith and trust. Trump is effing with that and he has no clue whatsoever.
    No. It doesn't lead to multiple scenerios. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act detail requirements and limitations for a federal government to intervene.
    You're just referring to what trump said about Chicago. But even in that single scenario, trump will interpret those as giving him permission to send "the feds". He will probably be told no, and then it what hapoens after that matters. You seem to be under the impression that trump is educated on anything about the federal government and is willing to respect the limits placed on it.
    He also has a pen and a phone.
    Yawn. Yup, he's just like Obama. Got it.
    With the big difference being that Trump will not tolerate the carnage that is Chicago.
    I wonder how Unsung feels about federal jack booted thugs occupying his city? Maybe he's okay with it seeing how it'll be predominately minority occupied neighborhoods that'll be occupied?
    would

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    When you google censorship of the media...

    Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

    C'mon Kat...you've censored far more people then Trump ever has. Sure this is a forum with rules to be enforced but federal agencies (which include national parks) also have rules with respect to communications and federal employees are expected to follow those rules. If employees of these agencies disagree with the politics of their leaders then they can resign. One has a right to free speech but they don't have the right to operate outside the rules of this forum or outside of the rules of their employer.
    Kat specifically brought up censorship OF THE MEDIA. Totally different, and EXTREMELY dangerous to everyone's freedom.
    Except nobody was concerned when Obama prosecuted members of the media or disparaged media sources on the right.
    when did he do that? did he refuse to answer their questions at pressers?
    I am not surprised that most of you are unfamiliar with Obama's record on press freedom and the prosecution of journalists and whistleblowers but here's a little taste

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/opinion/sunday/if-donald-trump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html


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