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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    The relentless way he dominates the news cycle with 8 or 9 distractions a day while not accomplishing a good goddamned thing, all the while brazenly working Bannon's Plan for the fundamental destruction of the all the Republic stands for is the real kick in the teeth. DISTRACTIONS, see through em. Call your overburdened Rep or Senator by using the Capitol Switchboard. 202-224-3121. Call every day. It will take you 5 minutes. Be relentless.

    He really should be impeached, sooner rather than later.

    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-andrew-johnson-impeached
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    10 a.m.: President Donald Trump will deliver remarks at CPAC.

    11:40 a.m.: Trump will tape his weekly address in the State Dining Room.

    12:00 p.m.: Trump will sign an executive order.

    2:00 p.m.: Trump will meet with Ohio Gov. John Kasich in the Oval Office.

    3:00 p.m.: Trump will meet with President Pedro Pablo Kuczynski of Peru in the Oval Office.

    All right Johnny boy...let's see what you're made of.
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  • Tiki said:

    The relentless way he dominates the news cycle with 8 or 9 distractions a day while not accomplishing a good goddamned thing, all the while brazenly working Bannon's Plan for the fundamental destruction of the all the Republic stands for is the real kick in the teeth. DISTRACTIONS, see through em. Call your overburdened Rep or Senator by using the Capitol Switchboard. 202-224-3121. Call every day. It will take you 5 minutes. Be relentless.

    He really should be impeached, sooner rather than later.

    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-andrew-johnson-impeached

    Clinton was impeached for telling ONE lie.

    The hypocrisy is staggering.
  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    edited February 2017
    the deconstruction of the administrative state...

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-live-cpac-2017-for-022417/
    Post edited by ikiT on
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  • rssesq said:

    A word to the wise, do not be critical of Israel or dual citizenship holding members of congress in any way or the board mods will threaten you with BANISHMENT!

    you can be critical without using slurs. word to the wise.
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    And yes...that MAGA hat does make you look fat.
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,793
    Tiki said:

    And yes...that MAGA hat does make you look fat.

    I thought it was just the fat that did that...
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055



    That's a lotta white people.

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  • Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    I get my insurance through the ACA with a subsidy. No prescriptions, no dental, no vision. It's an insurance plan not a health plan.

    I have a $6500 deductible, and I pay (with the subsidy) the insurance company $325 a month.

    It's useless, unless you like propping up insurance companies. For them, I'm sure it's awesome.

    To be fair, that could probably mean that you haven't had anything catastrophic happen to you. One car accident, ambulance trip and a surgery, and you're at 100 grand in a second. That's where it would help.
    Yes it's insurance against disaster, but not really a health plan.
    isn't it?

    In the event of something major... you've got coverage. And in the meantime... you're covered with the smaller items. No?

    The bigger question is the structure that allows for medical facilities and insurance leeches to charge so much. Health is an essential service. I'm really not too sure of allowing such price gouging on what ultimately is a monopoly.

    Doctors should be well paid- don't get me wrong. So should nurses. But I'm under the impression there are a lot of people far removed from patient care that have healthy bank accounts. Am I wrong?
    smaller things get buried with that 6500 deduct. I never go to the doctor
    I've misinterpreted here. Are you saying the 6500 is a per visit deductible? So, for typical stuff under 6500 you just pay and there is no insurance?
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    I get my insurance through the ACA with a subsidy. No prescriptions, no dental, no vision. It's an insurance plan not a health plan.

    I have a $6500 deductible, and I pay (with the subsidy) the insurance company $325 a month.

    It's useless, unless you like propping up insurance companies. For them, I'm sure it's awesome.

    To be fair, that could probably mean that you haven't had anything catastrophic happen to you. One car accident, ambulance trip and a surgery, and you're at 100 grand in a second. That's where it would help.
    Yes it's insurance against disaster, but not really a health plan.
    isn't it?

    In the event of something major... you've got coverage. And in the meantime... you're covered with the smaller items. No?

    The bigger question is the structure that allows for medical facilities and insurance leeches to charge so much. Health is an essential service. I'm really not too sure of allowing such price gouging on what ultimately is a monopoly.

    Doctors should be well paid- don't get me wrong. So should nurses. But I'm under the impression there are a lot of people far removed from patient care that have healthy bank accounts. Am I wrong?
    smaller things get buried with that 6500 deduct. I never go to the doctor
    I've misinterpreted here. Are you saying the 6500 is a per visit deductible? So, for typical stuff under 6500 you just pay and there is no insurance?
    Typical stuff under 6500 is paid for by me.
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,837
    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    I get my insurance through the ACA with a subsidy. No prescriptions, no dental, no vision. It's an insurance plan not a health plan.

    I have a $6500 deductible, and I pay (with the subsidy) the insurance company $325 a month.

    It's useless, unless you like propping up insurance companies. For them, I'm sure it's awesome.

    To be fair, that could probably mean that you haven't had anything catastrophic happen to you. One car accident, ambulance trip and a surgery, and you're at 100 grand in a second. That's where it would help.
    Yes it's insurance against disaster, but not really a health plan.
    isn't it?

    In the event of something major... you've got coverage. And in the meantime... you're covered with the smaller items. No?

    The bigger question is the structure that allows for medical facilities and insurance leeches to charge so much. Health is an essential service. I'm really not too sure of allowing such price gouging on what ultimately is a monopoly.

    Doctors should be well paid- don't get me wrong. So should nurses. But I'm under the impression there are a lot of people far removed from patient care that have healthy bank accounts. Am I wrong?
    smaller things get buried with that 6500 deduct. I never go to the doctor
    I've misinterpreted here. Are you saying the 6500 is a per visit deductible? So, for typical stuff under 6500 you just pay and there is no insurance?
    Typical stuff under 6500 is paid for by me.
    On high deductible plans, routine is covered 100%, no? Mine is. Specialists also have negotiated rates and are typically pretty reasonable. It's the more major things that get you to the $6,500.

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    I get my insurance through the ACA with a subsidy. No prescriptions, no dental, no vision. It's an insurance plan not a health plan.

    I have a $6500 deductible, and I pay (with the subsidy) the insurance company $325 a month.

    It's useless, unless you like propping up insurance companies. For them, I'm sure it's awesome.

    To be fair, that could probably mean that you haven't had anything catastrophic happen to you. One car accident, ambulance trip and a surgery, and you're at 100 grand in a second. That's where it would help.
    Yes it's insurance against disaster, but not really a health plan.
    isn't it?

    In the event of something major... you've got coverage. And in the meantime... you're covered with the smaller items. No?

    The bigger question is the structure that allows for medical facilities and insurance leeches to charge so much. Health is an essential service. I'm really not too sure of allowing such price gouging on what ultimately is a monopoly.

    Doctors should be well paid- don't get me wrong. So should nurses. But I'm under the impression there are a lot of people far removed from patient care that have healthy bank accounts. Am I wrong?
    smaller things get buried with that 6500 deduct. I never go to the doctor
    I've misinterpreted here. Are you saying the 6500 is a per visit deductible? So, for typical stuff under 6500 you just pay and there is no insurance?
    Typical stuff under 6500 is paid for by me.
    However isn't some preventative care (like flu shots, annual exam, etc.) covered for free? From what I understand it's $6500 deductible and then everything is basically free. If that's teh case, that plan (considering your monthly premium) is much cheaper than many company plans today (in totality).
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,837
    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    I get my insurance through the ACA with a subsidy. No prescriptions, no dental, no vision. It's an insurance plan not a health plan.

    I have a $6500 deductible, and I pay (with the subsidy) the insurance company $325 a month.

    It's useless, unless you like propping up insurance companies. For them, I'm sure it's awesome.

    To be fair, that could probably mean that you haven't had anything catastrophic happen to you. One car accident, ambulance trip and a surgery, and you're at 100 grand in a second. That's where it would help.
    Yes it's insurance against disaster, but not really a health plan.
    isn't it?

    In the event of something major... you've got coverage. And in the meantime... you're covered with the smaller items. No?

    The bigger question is the structure that allows for medical facilities and insurance leeches to charge so much. Health is an essential service. I'm really not too sure of allowing such price gouging on what ultimately is a monopoly.

    Doctors should be well paid- don't get me wrong. So should nurses. But I'm under the impression there are a lot of people far removed from patient care that have healthy bank accounts. Am I wrong?
    smaller things get buried with that 6500 deduct. I never go to the doctor
    I've misinterpreted here. Are you saying the 6500 is a per visit deductible? So, for typical stuff under 6500 you just pay and there is no insurance?
    Typical stuff under 6500 is paid for by me.
    However isn't some preventative care (like flu shots, annual exam, etc.) covered for free? From what I understand it's $6500 deductible and then everything is basically free. If that's teh case, that plan (considering your monthly premium) is much cheaper than many company plans today (in totality).
    Yes
  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    I get my insurance through the ACA with a subsidy. No prescriptions, no dental, no vision. It's an insurance plan not a health plan.

    I have a $6500 deductible, and I pay (with the subsidy) the insurance company $325 a month.

    It's useless, unless you like propping up insurance companies. For them, I'm sure it's awesome.

    To be fair, that could probably mean that you haven't had anything catastrophic happen to you. One car accident, ambulance trip and a surgery, and you're at 100 grand in a second. That's where it would help.
    Yes it's insurance against disaster, but not really a health plan.
    isn't it?

    In the event of something major... you've got coverage. And in the meantime... you're covered with the smaller items. No?

    The bigger question is the structure that allows for medical facilities and insurance leeches to charge so much. Health is an essential service. I'm really not too sure of allowing such price gouging on what ultimately is a monopoly.

    Doctors should be well paid- don't get me wrong. So should nurses. But I'm under the impression there are a lot of people far removed from patient care that have healthy bank accounts. Am I wrong?
    smaller things get buried with that 6500 deduct. I never go to the doctor
    I've misinterpreted here. Are you saying the 6500 is a per visit deductible? So, for typical stuff under 6500 you just pay and there is no insurance?
    Typical stuff under 6500 is paid for by me.
    However isn't some preventative care (like flu shots, annual exam, etc.) covered for free? From what I understand it's $6500 deductible and then everything is basically free. If that's teh case, that plan (considering your monthly premium) is much cheaper than many company plans today (in totality).
    Nothing is covered until $6500 is paid. Nothing.

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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927

    CM189191 said:

    Tiki said:

    the premiums increased on Dec 31st, but that had nothing to do with Trump.

    HE HAS NO PLAN except to repeal and replace with something terrific..

    No plan yet revealed.
    He is working on it.
    Until then you are stuck with the old.
    It's only been a month.
    6 years
    67 attempts to repeal
    somehow these jackholes don't have a plan in place yet?

    also, premiums
    Slower Premium Growth Under Obama


    Health Care Costs Grow Dramatically Slower Than Expected After Obamacare
    Your graphs are like polls.
    Meaningless.
    Well, sure. Graphs only have meaning if you understand them.
    This graph can be stated in one word - inflation.
    You'll note the first graph actually takes inflation into account. But I guess the 'facts' didn't fit nicely with your world view, so you didn't even bother to look at them.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,837
    Tiki said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    I get my insurance through the ACA with a subsidy. No prescriptions, no dental, no vision. It's an insurance plan not a health plan.

    I have a $6500 deductible, and I pay (with the subsidy) the insurance company $325 a month.

    It's useless, unless you like propping up insurance companies. For them, I'm sure it's awesome.

    To be fair, that could probably mean that you haven't had anything catastrophic happen to you. One car accident, ambulance trip and a surgery, and you're at 100 grand in a second. That's where it would help.
    Yes it's insurance against disaster, but not really a health plan.
    isn't it?

    In the event of something major... you've got coverage. And in the meantime... you're covered with the smaller items. No?

    The bigger question is the structure that allows for medical facilities and insurance leeches to charge so much. Health is an essential service. I'm really not too sure of allowing such price gouging on what ultimately is a monopoly.

    Doctors should be well paid- don't get me wrong. So should nurses. But I'm under the impression there are a lot of people far removed from patient care that have healthy bank accounts. Am I wrong?
    smaller things get buried with that 6500 deduct. I never go to the doctor
    I've misinterpreted here. Are you saying the 6500 is a per visit deductible? So, for typical stuff under 6500 you just pay and there is no insurance?
    Typical stuff under 6500 is paid for by me.
    However isn't some preventative care (like flu shots, annual exam, etc.) covered for free? From what I understand it's $6500 deductible and then everything is basically free. If that's teh case, that plan (considering your monthly premium) is much cheaper than many company plans today (in totality).
    Nothing is covered until $6500 is paid. Nothing.

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    Interesting. I don't think that is a typical high deductible plan though.

    My wife had some pretty big doctor visits this past year which set us back pretty much that $6,500

    I had routine stuff and a visit to a specialist that set me back $100..mine was before hers.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    Tiki said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    I get my insurance through the ACA with a subsidy. No prescriptions, no dental, no vision. It's an insurance plan not a health plan.

    I have a $6500 deductible, and I pay (with the subsidy) the insurance company $325 a month.

    It's useless, unless you like propping up insurance companies. For them, I'm sure it's awesome.

    To be fair, that could probably mean that you haven't had anything catastrophic happen to you. One car accident, ambulance trip and a surgery, and you're at 100 grand in a second. That's where it would help.
    Yes it's insurance against disaster, but not really a health plan.
    isn't it?

    In the event of something major... you've got coverage. And in the meantime... you're covered with the smaller items. No?

    The bigger question is the structure that allows for medical facilities and insurance leeches to charge so much. Health is an essential service. I'm really not too sure of allowing such price gouging on what ultimately is a monopoly.

    Doctors should be well paid- don't get me wrong. So should nurses. But I'm under the impression there are a lot of people far removed from patient care that have healthy bank accounts. Am I wrong?
    smaller things get buried with that 6500 deduct. I never go to the doctor
    I've misinterpreted here. Are you saying the 6500 is a per visit deductible? So, for typical stuff under 6500 you just pay and there is no insurance?
    Typical stuff under 6500 is paid for by me.
    However isn't some preventative care (like flu shots, annual exam, etc.) covered for free? From what I understand it's $6500 deductible and then everything is basically free. If that's teh case, that plan (considering your monthly premium) is much cheaper than many company plans today (in totality).
    Nothing is covered until $6500 is paid. Nothing.

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    Got it.. but so you know, you're monthly premium is pretty inexpensive compared to company plans. Your deductible is about 2k higher than what I have seen by contrast. Most private plans do cover a flu shot and an exam, but at the end of the day that's not particularly expensive either way. Co-insurance where you pay everything up to that 45 or 6500 mark is how it is today.. and it sucks.

    None of it can be considered a good deal by any stretch, particularly compared to what it was like in the 90's when insurance was much better. But your obama plan is not far off from what private insurance looks like today.
  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    edited February 2017


    We each get our own deductible, too.
    Post edited by ikiT on
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    ooookay.... I stand corrected. I didn't realize it was $6500 per person on the co-insurance. That is crazy.
  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    lotta hootin' and hollerin' goin on at that Trump rally.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,837
    Tiki said:



    We each get our own deductible, too.

    Yeah, this is crazy. No one is saying it doesn't need fixing...
  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    If you imagine there are 20 million people who "benefit" from the ACA, even if one million people are in my position (not able to actually use coverage they pay for) , where the taxpayer subsidised premium is $325 to $500 a month...that's 325 to 500 million dollars A MONTH to insurance companies. That money is gone.
    If you add in subsidies that the tax base pays for...that's just a huge waste of money.
    The 1st year I was on the ACA, my introductory payment was only $45 per month. My subsidised premium (on coverage I never used by the way) was still over 300 per month. The American taxpayer paid for that. Thanks, I guess.
    This year I pay 171 dollars a month and the rest ($154) is subsidized.

    If politicians actually described this scenario as what was wrong with the ACA instead of just saying Obamacare is so terrible but again there is NO PLAN....blah blah blah.
    Rant over
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  • Tiki said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    I get my insurance through the ACA with a subsidy. No prescriptions, no dental, no vision. It's an insurance plan not a health plan.

    I have a $6500 deductible, and I pay (with the subsidy) the insurance company $325 a month.

    It's useless, unless you like propping up insurance companies. For them, I'm sure it's awesome.

    To be fair, that could probably mean that you haven't had anything catastrophic happen to you. One car accident, ambulance trip and a surgery, and you're at 100 grand in a second. That's where it would help.
    Yes it's insurance against disaster, but not really a health plan.
    isn't it?

    In the event of something major... you've got coverage. And in the meantime... you're covered with the smaller items. No?

    The bigger question is the structure that allows for medical facilities and insurance leeches to charge so much. Health is an essential service. I'm really not too sure of allowing such price gouging on what ultimately is a monopoly.

    Doctors should be well paid- don't get me wrong. So should nurses. But I'm under the impression there are a lot of people far removed from patient care that have healthy bank accounts. Am I wrong?
    smaller things get buried with that 6500 deduct. I never go to the doctor
    I've misinterpreted here. Are you saying the 6500 is a per visit deductible? So, for typical stuff under 6500 you just pay and there is no insurance?
    Typical stuff under 6500 is paid for by me.
    However isn't some preventative care (like flu shots, annual exam, etc.) covered for free? From what I understand it's $6500 deductible and then everything is basically free. If that's teh case, that plan (considering your monthly premium) is much cheaper than many company plans today (in totality).
    Nothing is covered until $6500 is paid. Nothing.

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    Okay so I didn't misinterpret. Once you've paid $6500 in medical fees... the rest of your fees are covered through insurance (I'm assuming for every calendar year). I'm also assuming this is per household?

    I don't really see that as outrageous.
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055

    Tiki said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    Tiki said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    I get my insurance through the ACA with a subsidy. No prescriptions, no dental, no vision. It's an insurance plan not a health plan.

    I have a $6500 deductible, and I pay (with the subsidy) the insurance company $325 a month.

    It's useless, unless you like propping up insurance companies. For them, I'm sure it's awesome.

    To be fair, that could probably mean that you haven't had anything catastrophic happen to you. One car accident, ambulance trip and a surgery, and you're at 100 grand in a second. That's where it would help.
    Yes it's insurance against disaster, but not really a health plan.
    isn't it?

    In the event of something major... you've got coverage. And in the meantime... you're covered with the smaller items. No?

    The bigger question is the structure that allows for medical facilities and insurance leeches to charge so much. Health is an essential service. I'm really not too sure of allowing such price gouging on what ultimately is a monopoly.

    Doctors should be well paid- don't get me wrong. So should nurses. But I'm under the impression there are a lot of people far removed from patient care that have healthy bank accounts. Am I wrong?
    smaller things get buried with that 6500 deduct. I never go to the doctor
    I've misinterpreted here. Are you saying the 6500 is a per visit deductible? So, for typical stuff under 6500 you just pay and there is no insurance?
    Typical stuff under 6500 is paid for by me.
    However isn't some preventative care (like flu shots, annual exam, etc.) covered for free? From what I understand it's $6500 deductible and then everything is basically free. If that's teh case, that plan (considering your monthly premium) is much cheaper than many company plans today (in totality).
    Nothing is covered until $6500 is paid. Nothing.

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    Okay so I didn't misinterpret. Once you've paid $6500 in medical fees... the rest of your fees are covered through insurance (I'm assuming for every calendar year). I'm also assuming this is per household?

    I don't really see that as outrageous.
    It's per person
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055

    https://youtu.be/OcKcjpSWmm0

    I dedicate this to president Bafoon. I'll be at the NY show !!!

    1988...
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,474
    Tiki said:

    https://youtu.be/OcKcjpSWmm0

    I dedicate this to president Bafoon. I'll be at the NY show !!!

    1988...
    Still rings true today it fits perfectly!!
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