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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,400
    dignin said:

    Macron's presidential campaign alleges 'massive' hacking attack after emails, documents leaked

    Campaign says real documents were mixed with fake ones to sow 'doubt and misinformation'

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/emmanuel-macron-team-email-hacking-documents-1.4102583
    Trump legitimized the tactic by not punishing putin and Russia for helping him get elected. Meanwhile, the FBI's investigation into the Trump organization and a Russian bank is ongoing. Follow the money.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited May 2017
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:

    Macron's presidential campaign alleges 'massive' hacking attack after emails, documents leaked

    Campaign says real documents were mixed with fake ones to sow 'doubt and misinformation'

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/emmanuel-macron-team-email-hacking-documents-1.4102583
    Trump legitimized the tactic by not punishing putin and Russia for helping him get elected. Meanwhile, the FBI's investigation into the Trump organization and a Russian bank is ongoing. Follow the money.
    I think you mean Obama legitimized it. The hacking took place during the Obama presidency. Obama did not "punish" Putin or Russia.
  • treestrees Columbus OHIO Posts: 1,897
    Why has this subject gone on the way side in the news? Because of distraction from other stuff .Or propaganda this is so bad .Why is he and his cabinet not Impeached???????


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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,602
    Holy shit, hopefully the French are smarter than my stupid fellow Americans who clearly have no common sense. 

    Meanwhile, for those w/ their heads in the sand, it's still "Obama Obama Obama" 
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    BS44325 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:

    Macron's presidential campaign alleges 'massive' hacking attack after emails, documents leaked

    Campaign says real documents were mixed with fake ones to sow 'doubt and misinformation'

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/emmanuel-macron-team-email-hacking-documents-1.4102583
    Trump legitimized the tactic by not punishing putin and Russia for helping him get elected. Meanwhile, the FBI's investigation into the Trump organization and a Russian bank is ongoing. Follow the money.
    I think you mean Obama legitimized it. The hacking took place during the Obama presidency. Obama did not "punish" Putin or Russia.
    You have to be kidding?
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    my2hands said:
    BS44325 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:

    Macron's presidential campaign alleges 'massive' hacking attack after emails, documents leaked

    Campaign says real documents were mixed with fake ones to sow 'doubt and misinformation'

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/emmanuel-macron-team-email-hacking-documents-1.4102583
    Trump legitimized the tactic by not punishing putin and Russia for helping him get elected. Meanwhile, the FBI's investigation into the Trump organization and a Russian bank is ongoing. Follow the money.
    I think you mean Obama legitimized it. The hacking took place during the Obama presidency. Obama did not "punish" Putin or Russia.
    You have to be kidding?
    Why? Do you dispute the chronological order of events? Obama was president during the hacking incident and for a long time after. He had every opportunity to respond and other then an insignificant expulsion of diplomats he for the most part let it go. The Trump administration meanwhile has for the most part been unexpectedly confrontational eith Russia since the inauguration. Russia had it waaaay better during the Obama years and it is almost impossible to see how post-elected Trump policy "legitimized" hacking. 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,602
    Russia is undermining democracy & rigging elections in the western world, but it's still "Obama Obama Obama."

    Sounds about right. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,836
    dignin said:

    Macron's presidential campaign alleges 'massive' hacking attack after emails, documents leaked

    Campaign says real documents were mixed with fake ones to sow 'doubt and misinformation'

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/emmanuel-macron-team-email-hacking-documents-1.4102583
    Fortunately there is a media blackout on the issue in France, which I believe is normal for weekend voting.  But it's the exact same thing that happened here.  Supposedly it's the same Russian team, Wikileaks was involved along with 4Chan.  What a cesspool.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,400
    edited May 2017
    BS44325 said:
    my2hands said:
    BS44325 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:

    Macron's presidential campaign alleges 'massive' hacking attack after emails, documents leaked

    Campaign says real documents were mixed with fake ones to sow 'doubt and misinformation'

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/emmanuel-macron-team-email-hacking-documents-1.4102583
    Trump legitimized the tactic by not punishing putin and Russia for helping him get elected. Meanwhile, the FBI's investigation into the Trump organization and a Russian bank is ongoing. Follow the money.
    I think you mean Obama legitimized it. The hacking took place during the Obama presidency. Obama did not "punish" Putin or Russia.
    You have to be kidding?
    Why? Do you dispute the chronological order of events? Obama was president during the hacking incident and for a long time after. He had every opportunity to respond and other then an insignificant expulsion of diplomats he for the most part let it go. The Trump administration meanwhile has for the most part been unexpectedly confrontational eith Russia since the inauguration. Russia had it waaaay better during the Obama years and it is almost impossible to see how post-elected Trump policy "legitimized" hacking. 
    And that's why Flynn was caught talking to the Russians about lifting sanctions. Because Obama was ineffective with them. And what exactly has Trump done to be confrontational with Russia? What is this confrontation that you speak of
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,400
    Seems the digging is getting deeper:

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/05/us/politics/senate-russia-trump-associates.html

    So much for those disappearing headlines. Oh the brilliance.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    BS44325 said:
    my2hands said:
    BS44325 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:

    Macron's presidential campaign alleges 'massive' hacking attack after emails, documents leaked

    Campaign says real documents were mixed with fake ones to sow 'doubt and misinformation'

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/emmanuel-macron-team-email-hacking-documents-1.4102583
    Trump legitimized the tactic by not punishing putin and Russia for helping him get elected. Meanwhile, the FBI's investigation into the Trump organization and a Russian bank is ongoing. Follow the money.
    I think you mean Obama legitimized it. The hacking took place during the Obama presidency. Obama did not "punish" Putin or Russia.
    You have to be kidding?
    Why? Do you dispute the chronological order of events? Obama was president during the hacking incident and for a long time after. He had every opportunity to respond and other then an insignificant expulsion of diplomats he for the most part let it go. The Trump administration meanwhile has for the most part been unexpectedly confrontational eith Russia since the inauguration. Russia had it waaaay better during the Obama years and it is almost impossible to see how post-elected Trump policy "legitimized" hacking. 
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/29/barack-obama-sanctions-russia-election-hack

    Get off those right wing blogs and join us here in the real world my friend
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    my2hands said:
    BS44325 said:
    my2hands said:
    BS44325 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:

    Macron's presidential campaign alleges 'massive' hacking attack after emails, documents leaked

    Campaign says real documents were mixed with fake ones to sow 'doubt and misinformation'

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/emmanuel-macron-team-email-hacking-documents-1.4102583
    Trump legitimized the tactic by not punishing putin and Russia for helping him get elected. Meanwhile, the FBI's investigation into the Trump organization and a Russian bank is ongoing. Follow the money.
    I think you mean Obama legitimized it. The hacking took place during the Obama presidency. Obama did not "punish" Putin or Russia.
    You have to be kidding?
    Why? Do you dispute the chronological order of events? Obama was president during the hacking incident and for a long time after. He had every opportunity to respond and other then an insignificant expulsion of diplomats he for the most part let it go. The Trump administration meanwhile has for the most part been unexpectedly confrontational eith Russia since the inauguration. Russia had it waaaay better during the Obama years and it is almost impossible to see how post-elected Trump policy "legitimized" hacking. 
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/29/barack-obama-sanctions-russia-election-hack

    Get off those right wing blogs and join us here in the real world my friend
    What did I say that is different? The sanctions are for the most part targeted at individuals. Do you think that was a tough enough response? Do you think Putin was deterred from interfering in elections again?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited May 2017
    Perhaps you wanted Obama to nuke Moscow on his way out the door? I'm pretty sure in a normal world with a normal POTUS-elect the next administration would have taken the baton and continued to investigate and take action as needed... especially considering inauguration us only 2+ months after the actual election... but we both know Trump has refused to acknowledge or cooperate with anything russua-election related... 

    Not to mention the investigations of this issue while Obama was POTUS and the attempt to protect the documentation because they knew Trump and his team would want to scrub it asap... but these are things you refuse to see for some reason so we can't agree on most things related to this

    Obama kept a boot on the neck of Putin via sanctions since Crimea... took action within weeks of the election, openly...  protected the outcome of related investigations... and openly took a generally firm stance towards Putin's Russia for years... meanwhile your boy Trump has been giving him a verbal hand job publicly for 2 years... and all you want to do is put it back to Obama? Seriously? Ridiculous brother


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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    my2hands said:
    Perhaps you wanted Obama to nuke Moscow on his way out the door? I'm pretty sure in a normal world with a normal POTUS-elect the next administration would have taken the baton and continued to investigate and take action as needed... especially considering inauguration us only 2+ months after the actual election... but we both know Trump has refused to acknowledge or cooperate with anything russua-election related... 

    Not to mention the investigations of this issue while Obama was POTUS and the attempt to protect the documentation because they knew Trump and his team would want to scrub it asap... but these are things you refuse to see for some reason so we can't agree on most things related to this

    Obama kept a boot on the neck of Putin via sanctions since Crimea... took action within weeks of the election, openly...  protected the outcome of related investigations... and openly took a generally firm stance towards Putin's Russia for years... meanwhile your boy Trump has been giving him a verbal hand job publicly for 2 years... and all you want to do is put it back to Obama? Seriously? Ridiculous brother


    Put it back on Obama? I think what frustrates me the most on here is when people fail to read through threads. I am responding to a statement that said Trump "legitimized the hacking" that took place when Obama was president. It was on Obama to respond and even democrats agree that his response was late and weak. Now since that time Trump has not lifted one of those sanctions or expulsions. In addition he has taken tougher stance against Russia in Syria. He has sought to bolster NATO through increased funding by member states. He has approved Keystone and opened up American energy exploration which hits Russia in the pocket book by bringing down the price of oil. He has put THAAD missle system on Russia's eastern doorstep and I don't doubt he'll have missle defense up and running in Poland soon. He has blocked Exxon from an exploration deal with Russia. All of these are actions that Putin does not like and not a single foreign policy analyst has said Trump has been easy in any way...if anything he has completely exceeded everybody's expectations on that front. To push on with the Russian stooge talk is just more silly nonsense at this stage.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:
    my2hands said:
    Perhaps you wanted Obama to nuke Moscow on his way out the door? I'm pretty sure in a normal world with a normal POTUS-elect the next administration would have taken the baton and continued to investigate and take action as needed... especially considering inauguration us only 2+ months after the actual election... but we both know Trump has refused to acknowledge or cooperate with anything russua-election related... 

    Not to mention the investigations of this issue while Obama was POTUS and the attempt to protect the documentation because they knew Trump and his team would want to scrub it asap... but these are things you refuse to see for some reason so we can't agree on most things related to this

    Obama kept a boot on the neck of Putin via sanctions since Crimea... took action within weeks of the election, openly...  protected the outcome of related investigations... and openly took a generally firm stance towards Putin's Russia for years... meanwhile your boy Trump has been giving him a verbal hand job publicly for 2 years... and all you want to do is put it back to Obama? Seriously? Ridiculous brother


    Put it back on Obama? I think what frustrates me the most on here is when people fail to read through threads. I am responding to a statement that said Trump "legitimized the hacking" that took place when Obama was president. It was on Obama to respond and even democrats agree that his response was late and weak. Now since that time Trump has not lifted one of those sanctions or expulsions. In addition he has taken tougher stance against Russia in Syria. He has sought to bolster NATO through increased funding by member states. He has approved Keystone and opened up American energy exploration which hits Russia in the pocket book by bringing down the price of oil. He has put THAAD missle system on Russia's eastern doorstep and I don't doubt he'll have missle defense up and running in Poland soon. He has blocked Exxon from an exploration deal with Russia. All of these are actions that Putin does not like and not a single foreign policy analyst has said Trump has been easy in any way...if anything he has completely exceeded everybody's expectations on that front. To push on with the Russian stooge talk is just more silly nonsense at this stage.
    Hahaha that one must make you dizzy to spin so hard!
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,400
    Because deploying THAAD missile systems are such that they can be done within a few weeks of taking the reigns of an administration. Never mind the host country, negotiations, logistics of deployment, etc. It's just like moving around the pieces on your sand table in your basement. And what is that about Syria? You mean the 59 cruise missile strike on an empty airfield or the Turkey, Russia, Iran no fly zones? Keep believing the brilliance professor, keep on being brilliantly blinded.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,400
    Trump's super efficient brilliant state department at work, in all its brilliant efficiency:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/27/politics/rex-tillerson-vacancies-state-department-white-house/index.html


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,400
    Spin, professor, spin. Yea Trump killed the Exxon-Russia deal because he's been so hard on Putin and Russia.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/amp/p/6f169c4a4cd0

    Brilliant.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,822
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Trump's super efficient brilliant state department at work, in all its brilliant efficiency:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/27/politics/rex-tillerson-vacancies-state-department-white-house/index.html


    Something that has gone unmentioned is that there are a lot of open government positions because there no candidates. People who would otherwise be interested in a position in a Republican government are shying away from this one.
    For good reason.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,602

    Sally Yates testifies today.

  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Bentleyspop said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Trump's super efficient brilliant state department at work, in all its brilliant efficiency:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/27/politics/rex-tillerson-vacancies-state-department-white-house/index.html


    Something that has gone unmentioned is that there are a lot of open government positions because there no candidates. People who would otherwise be interested in a position in a Republican government are shying away from this one.
    For good reason.
    Great point
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,400
    So much for those brilliantly disappearing headlines:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/08/politics/sally-yates-russia/index.html

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,836
    Bentleyspop said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Trump's super efficient brilliant state department at work, in all its brilliant efficiency:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/27/politics/rex-tillerson-vacancies-state-department-white-house/index.html


    Something that has gone unmentioned is that there are a lot of open government positions because there no candidates. People who would otherwise be interested in a position in a Republican government are shying away from this one.
    For good reason.
    Is that the whole reason or is it because Bannon wants to destroy the administrative state and one way to achieve it is by not filling the roles,  especially at State. 
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,822
    mrussel1 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Trump's super efficient brilliant state department at work, in all its brilliant efficiency:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/27/politics/rex-tillerson-vacancies-state-department-white-house/index.html


    Something that has gone unmentioned is that there are a lot of open government positions because there no candidates. People who would otherwise be interested in a position in a Republican government are shying away from this one.
    For good reason.
    Is that the whole reason or is it because Bannon wants to destroy the administrative state and one way to achieve it is by not filling the roles,  especially at State. 
    It's  a combination of President Bannon wanting less government  and people not wanting to be associated  with the Bannon regime.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,400
    Sounding guilty to me:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/08/politics/carter-page-russian-official/index.html


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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,881
    Man, Graham is coming off like an ass with half his questions to Yates and Clapper.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,881
    And Clapper seems completely out of sorts being questioned.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,881
    Yates just nailed Cornyn on his last statement. Made him look like a fool.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337
    Yates also made Teddy Cruz look like a fool.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,881
    Leave it to Ted Cruz to ask about Clinton's email. Divert.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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