Why did Republicans win?

pjalive21

vaggar99 said:

basically Trump had the excitement all the way. Vagina-gate put a stop to that. Everyone expected it to be over at that point. And that's when the Dems went to sleep. Very simple. Very much like watching so many heartbreaking football and basketball games.

He also had 3-5 rallies a day while Clinton was taking a nap or doing fundraisers...Access Hollywood deal should have buried him but when the other candidate has their own trail of issues he was able to fight all that off with the help of Wikileaks and the FBI

Go Beavers

Yup. Wikileaks and the fbi somehow made it okay for trump voters to tell themselves a sex offender president would be better.

JC29856

Free said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S8gyNRqIp5U

greatest video of all time!

JimmyV

When you run two of the most of the unpopular candidates in history for President, one of the most unpopular candidates in history is destined to become President.

Dirtie_Frank

She lost because she didn't have to run for anything. She was given the Democratic nomination. She never made herself available to the press. Like Trump or not when he started to run he was on every news channel interviewing daily. I think it was almost a year before she sat down to an interview (probably less). She depended on a Hispanic, black and woman vote that really didn't show up for her. I think her and her team got too cocky and thought it was all in the bag.

unsung

I revert back to the topic.

Republicans won because of Hillary Clinton. Period.

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

I revert back to the topic.

Republicans won because of Hillary Clinton. Period.

so you think Bernie would have won then?

JC29856

unsung said:

I revert back to the topic.

Republicans won because of Hillary Clinton. Period.

I like to phrase it, Democrats lost because of Hilliary.

unsung

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

I could say that the left is what remains after the morale decay and that their rioters are paid by a foreign entity and that their entire policy can only be upheld through the use of force (guns that you so claim to hate) because nobody would ever do it voluntarily.

Oh wait, I have. "Racism" is STILL chosen by American as a lesser evil. The country would rather be called a racist (even if they are not) by a wacko leftist than be an actual leftist or be forced to follow leftist policies.

You're overgeneralizing with your 'our country' reference. You've now made a conclusion about the election and you're going to force everything to fit that conclusion.

Is that worse than you forcing your policies on me?

Go Beavers

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

I could say that the left is what remains after the morale decay and that their rioters are paid by a foreign entity and that their entire policy can only be upheld through the use of force (guns that you so claim to hate) because nobody would ever do it voluntarily.

Oh wait, I have. "Racism" is STILL chosen by American as a lesser evil. The country would rather be called a racist (even if they are not) by a wacko leftist than be an actual leftist or be forced to follow leftist policies.

You're overgeneralizing with your 'our country' reference. You've now made a conclusion about the election and you're going to force everything to fit that conclusion.

Is that worse than you forcing your policies on me?

I miss unsung from last week who apparently was engrossed in meditation and yoga. Now we have illogical stressed out unsung back.

JimmyV

JC29856 said:

unsung said:

I revert back to the topic.

Republicans won because of Hillary Clinton. Period.

I like to phrase it, Democrats lost because of Hilliary.

Certainly because of her campaign and the decisions it made. Even with her and and all her faults and baggage this remained a winnable race. They found a way to lose it.

unsung

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

I revert back to the topic.

Republicans won because of Hillary Clinton. Period.

so you think Bernie would have won then?

He probably wouldn't have forced such a protest vote.

JC29856

JimmyV said:

JC29856 said:

unsung said:

I revert back to the topic.

Republicans won because of Hillary Clinton. Period.

I like to phrase it, Democrats lost because of Hilliary.

Certainly because of her campaign and the decisions it made. Even with her and and all her faults and baggage this remained a winnable race. They found a way to lose it.

Republicans vote total is and has been consistent last 3 races, the Dems need(ed) turnout, its what brought Obama the WH in 08. Then in 2012 the turnout dropped off (true progressives realized Obama was alot like Bush in many many ways). Bragging about Hilliarys popular vote is equal to bragging about McCain Palin popular vote in 08.

vaggar99

pjalive21 said:

vaggar99 said:

basically Trump had the excitement all the way. Vagina-gate put a stop to that. Everyone expected it to be over at that point. And that's when the Dems went to sleep. Very simple. Very much like watching so many heartbreaking football and basketball games.

He also had 3-5 rallies a day while Clinton was taking a nap or doing fundraisers...Access Hollywood deal should have buried him but when the other candidate has their own trail of issues he was able to fight all that off with the help of Wikileaks and the FBI

i wasn't going to bring the wikileaks/FBI thing up. sounds like sour grapes, but yeah since you did. Sounds to me like that penis-head Giuliani had something to do with this. Politics as usual, so I'm not going to get upset about it. I suppose us liberals had a little faith in humanity to not do this. that's where we always go wrong. you can't trust the public anymore. and you know it's desperate times when I'm asking Congress to save us.

whispering hands

Truthfully, we go back and forth. We have been a country divided for a few decades now. The Dems get sick of Republican Admin. And they vote in their candidates.. then the Rep.s( including myself) get sick of the Dem. Admin. and vote in THEIR candidate.. it's just how it seems to work.

As for this election, I think many just feared for the welfare of the country as a whole, and chose to vote for the lesser of two evils.
But what do I know??

JimmyV

The problem with pointing at WikiLeaks and Comey remains how overwhelming her victory in the popular vote is. More than 1.3 million voters and counting chose her over Trump. It was only in certain incredibly important areas that she collapsed and Trump caught her. So was Comey and Wiki more of an issue in these areas or was her campaign poorly organized in these areas? It looks like the latter to me.

pjalive21

JimmyV said:

The problem with pointing at WikiLeaks and Comey remains how overwhelming her victory in the popular vote is. More than 1.3 million voters and counting chose her over Trump. It was only in certain incredibly important areas that she collapsed and Trump caught her. So was Comey and Wiki more of an issue in these areas or was her campaign poorly organized in these areas? It looks like the latter to me.

her ground game was second to none from what i read and saw, but who knows

as far as areas like Michigan, Ohio, and Penn. i think blue collar voters flipping on her is what sunk her in those states that went for Obama in the last two elections

pjhawks

pjalive21 said:

JimmyV said:

The problem with pointing at WikiLeaks and Comey remains how overwhelming her victory in the popular vote is. More than 1.3 million voters and counting chose her over Trump. It was only in certain incredibly important areas that she collapsed and Trump caught her. So was Comey and Wiki more of an issue in these areas or was her campaign poorly organized in these areas? It looks like the latter to me.

her ground game was second to none from what i read and saw, but who knows

as far as areas like Michigan, Ohio, and Penn. i think blue collar voters flipping on her is what sunk her in those states that went for Obama in the last two elections

in PA it was the rednecks. Hillary won the cities and the big counties near the cities. Trump won huge in the redneck counties. PA is Philly on the East, Pitt on the West and a whole lot of redneck in between.

HesCalledDyer

I live in Maryland, 2 hours from the White House.

Number of times I visited Wisconsin in 2016 = 2
Number of times Hillary visited WI in 2016 = 0

Mind you I didn't run for President.

I am a registered Democrat myself and Hillary did not appeal to me at all. She seemed smug, arrogant, like she had it in the bag and didn't have to put effort into her campaign to win. While Donald Trump was out campaigning, he was offering people his actions as President. Agree with him or not (and I don't on almost everything) he was out there campaigning. Meanwhile, all it seemed like Hillary was doing was say "Oh, look what ol' Donald Trump did/said today" with a shit eating grin on her face. I'm sure I'm not the only Democrat that feels/felt this way. Matter of fact, several of my Democrat friends also offered the same sentiment when we would talk about it leading up to the election. We felt disenfranchised by her. We were completely denied reason(s) to vote for her. The only reason we had was "keep Trump out" and, while I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for him, that was not reason enough for me to vote for her either.

jeffbr

Smug and arrogant are accurate descriptors. She was the anointed one. The Democratic Party, the media and Hillary herself, even prior to the election, let us all know that she would be the next president. It was her turn. It's funny because in sports you always hear "on paper they should have won, but that's why we play the game". This is what happened with the election. On paper, Hillary was going to run away with it. But she didn't show up to play. She showed up waiting for her coronation.