Why did Republicans win?

mattsl1983

Honest question, honest answers.

mattsl1983

I think this is the more important question not being asked. I'm a republican, I own it, I accept it. I'm honestly curious, do people really think that it was racism, do people really think it was economics, honest opinions accepted. Not looking for debates, take those to the other threads please.

mattsl1983

The saddest thing that can happen, and has happened is people arguing, and not listing. Arguments are good, that's what creates progress. Shutting out the otherside, that's what creates divide. Please, I want to hear from all sides, no name calling, no generalizing. Just honesty. This is what America is founded on. Sucks if your side lost, cool if yours won; but this is why republicans haven't always been in Pierre, just like why democrats haven't either.

mattsl1983

Random auto correct sucks too. I'm sure we can all agree on that..

Go Beavers

mattsl1983 said:

I think this is the more important question not being asked. I'm a republican, I own it, I accept it. I'm honestly curious, do people really think that it was racism, do people really think it was economics, honest opinions accepted. Not looking for debates, take those to the other threads please.

It's a combo of things. The prejudicial policies played to people's fears, and voting for trump could then relieve the fears he played on. His economic policies weren't realistic, but that didn't matter. Someone said trump didn't have policies, just grievances. This is true. Clinton's personality flaws were then exposed by this dynamic. She couldn't appeal to working class midwest people. She couldn't translate her policy to make it resonate with others. And in general, she doesn't make people feel connected to her. There's certain charisma missing. Single issue, anti-abortion Christian fundamentalist voters went through a range of justifications to vote for the guy. Also, minority vote didn't appear to show up for Clinton.

oftenreading

mattsl1983 said:

Random auto correct sucks too. I'm sure we can all agree on that..

I'm still wondering who Pierre is. Sounds like the guy has had a rough go of it......

hedonist

oftenreading said:

mattsl1983 said:

Random auto correct sucks too. I'm sure we can all agree on that..

I'm still wondering who Pierre is. Sounds like the guy has had a rough go of it......

Shoot. I read that as Pierrot.

(same difference though, in the end)

mattsl1983

hedonist said:

oftenreading said:

mattsl1983 said:

Random auto correct sucks too. I'm sure we can all agree on that..

I'm still wondering who Pierre is. Sounds like the guy has had a rough go of it......

Shoot. I read that as Pierrot.

(same difference though, in the end)

That's just a bad dude, best not to bring him up anymore. Kind of like Freddy Krueger, the less him name is spoken, the more teenagers live...

mattsl1983

mattsl1983 said:

Random auto correct sucks too. I'm sure we can all agree on that..

Do you honestly think that the predicial policies really played a part in it? Those that voted for trump, there was not a surge in votes from 2012. If anything, and strictly keeping by the numbers, race, or what you describe as predicial votes, were in a steady decline this election cycle. I personally dismis the race or inequality card. But that's me. Sorry already going against my original cause for this thread... you are aloud one rebutle... haha kidding

I really do think it was a vote against the status quo. Wether that's good or bad with Trump, I'll tell ya I'm rebulican and also wondering; WHAT THE FUCK???

Go Beavers

Vote count isn't evidence of racial issues not playing a factor.

InHiding80

That Wasserman Schultz cretin is the reason. She's even more evil than Hillary.

mattsl1983

C'mon y'all. I as a republican stopped speaking up here because I was tired of being bashed by the smarter people. why did the elections fall as they did? Why is Pelosi and the rest of the Democratic Party left to restructure and try to figure out why they lost?

mattsl1983

Go Beavers said:

Vote count isn't evidence of racial issues not playing a factor.

Really, compare the numbers. Numbers don't lie.

unsung

Because people are tired with the childish antics of the left.

Free

mattsl1983 said:

I think this is the more important question not being asked. I'm a republican, I own it, I accept it. I'm honestly curious, do people really think that it was racism, do people really think it was economics, honest opinions accepted. Not looking for debates, take those to the other threads please.

This is a DEBATE forum.

josevolution

unsung said:

Because people are tired with the childish antics of the left.

Yes because the right has never acted childish ..

Bentleyspop

josevolution said:

unsung said:

Because people are tired with the childish antics of the left.

Yes because the right has never acted childish ..

https://youtu.be/buZV6pSZusc

unsung

josevolution said:

unsung said:

Because people are tired with the childish antics of the left.

Yes because the right has never acted childish ..

Good deflection.

Keep calling people racist, bigots, haters, etc for supportjng a certain party, keeping destroying private property, keep nominating criminals. It worked out so well for you.

Gern Blansten

It was a combo of things....kind of a perfect storm....but to say that Trump didn't intentionally fire up the racist side of the GOP is ignorant. That was his plan and Bannon orchestrated it.

unsung

But they also got blue collar guys to go against their unions and vote for them. Those clinton trade deals had a lot to do with this.

pjhawks

unsung said:

josevolution said:

unsung said:

Because people are tired with the childish antics of the left.

Yes because the right has never acted childish ..

Good deflection.

Keep calling people racist, bigots, haters, etc for supportjng a certain party, keeping destroying private property, keep nominating criminals. It worked out so well for you.

are you denying the Republican platform is not based on religious fanaticism (creationism, abortion), racism (deport all muslims, etc.), and sexism (planned parenthood, abortion) along with gun fanaticism (oh god they are going to overturn the 2nd amendment...even though not true)? come on.

unsung

A very small minority believes that.

Would your social programs exist without taxpayer subsidies? That is why I am against them.

unsung

And really the left is just as obsessed with guns, if not more.

pjhawks

unsung said:

A very small minority believes that.

Would your social programs exist without taxpayer subsidies? That is why I am against them.

i am no way saying i agree with the democratic platform fully either but to deny those things in the Republican party, and for sure at the top, is just plain blind or crazy. I mean the whole Trump campaign was based on those things.

and the republicans won because their base got out an voted to the same level as before. while the democrats got less. having the Republican nominee be an admitted sexual predator i thought would eliminate enough republicans from voting for the guy but i was wrong. apparently to some party outweighs human decency. i still can't fathom that 60 million people voted for such a scumbag. hard to believe harry.

Gern Blansten

unsung said:

And really the left is just as obsessed with guns, if not more.

Disagree...the right is obsessed with saying the left is obsessed. The left just wants stronger background checks and limits on assault weapons.

unsung

Yep, it is hard to believe that she couldn't beat him. Guess America thinks less of her than they do him.

She lost. Move on.

Gern Blansten

unsung said:

But they also got blue collar guys to go against their unions and vote for them. Those clinton trade deals had a lot to do with this.

Yes they did. It was definitely a change election and that segment didn't feel like they had anything to lose.

Jason P

I think a lot of people took it for granted that Trump would lose and didn't vote. Simple as that.

pjhawks

unsung said:

Yep, it is hard to believe that she couldn't beat him. Guess America thinks less of her than they do him.

She lost. Move on.

i have moved on. i fully get in a democratic society that sometimes your candidate loses. i was just responding to the thread and your comment regarding the republican base. i'm not sure how you can deny what their platform is.

JimmyV

There is a long list of things that contributed to his win and her loss. Racism is one of them. Sexism, too. Also Comey and WikiLeaks. The spike in Obamacare premiums. All of those played a role, but none of them were the primary reason.

The big one is that she was a bad candidate who ran a bad campaign. She came to believe, like many of us, that she had it wrapped up as soon as Trump was nominated. So she took her foot off the gas in places like Michigan and Wisconsin while at the same time trying to run up the score with women in places like Arizona.

I understand the strategy but it failed in the most spectacular fashion we have ever seen. Al Gore had a legitimate gripe with the Electoral College because it came down to a single contested state. Hillary Clinton has no such gripe. She is going to win the popular vote buy 1.2 million votes at least AND she is going to get wiped out in the Electoral College. That is almost impossible to do, and it is an absolute indictment of her, her campaign, and their strategy and decision making.

Trump was not inevitable or unavoidable. A more competent Democratic candidate and campaign would have beaten him.

unsung

I could say that the left is what remains after the morale decay and that their rioters are paid by a foreign entity and that their entire policy can only be upheld through the use of force (guns that you so claim to hate) because nobody would ever do it voluntarily.

Oh wait, I have. "Racism" is STILL chosen by American as a lesser evil. The country would rather be called a racist (even if they are not) by a wacko leftist than be an actual leftist or be forced to follow leftist policies.