Republicans won because of Hillary Clinton. Period.
I like to phrase it, Democrats lost because of Hilliary.
Certainly because of her campaign and the decisions it made. Even with her and and all her faults and baggage this remained a winnable race. They found a way to lose it.
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Republicans won because of Hillary Clinton. Period.
I like to phrase it, Democrats lost because of Hilliary.
Certainly because of her campaign and the decisions it made. Even with her and and all her faults and baggage this remained a winnable race. They found a way to lose it.
Republicans vote total is and has been consistent last 3 races, the Dems need(ed) turnout, its what brought Obama the WH in 08. Then in 2012 the turnout dropped off (true progressives realized Obama was alot like Bush in many many ways). Bragging about Hilliarys popular vote is equal to bragging about McCain Palin popular vote in 08.
basically Trump had the excitement all the way. Vagina-gate put a stop to that. Everyone expected it to be over at that point. And that's when the Dems went to sleep. Very simple. Very much like watching so many heartbreaking football and basketball games.
He also had 3-5 rallies a day while Clinton was taking a nap or doing fundraisers...Access Hollywood deal should have buried him but when the other candidate has their own trail of issues he was able to fight all that off with the help of Wikileaks and the FBI
i wasn't going to bring the wikileaks/FBI thing up. sounds like sour grapes, but yeah since you did. Sounds to me like that penis-head Giuliani had something to do with this. Politics as usual, so I'm not going to get upset about it. I suppose us liberals had a little faith in humanity to not do this. that's where we always go wrong. you can't trust the public anymore. and you know it's desperate times when I'm asking Congress to save us.
Truthfully, we go back and forth. We have been a country divided for a few decades now. The Dems get sick of Republican Admin. And they vote in their candidates.. then the Rep.s( including myself) get sick of the Dem. Admin. and vote in THEIR candidate.. it's just how it seems to work.
As for this election, I think many just feared for the welfare of the country as a whole, and chose to vote for the lesser of two evils. But what do I know??
The problem with pointing at WikiLeaks and Comey remains how overwhelming her victory in the popular vote is. More than 1.3 million voters and counting chose her over Trump. It was only in certain incredibly important areas that she collapsed and Trump caught her. So was Comey and Wiki more of an issue in these areas or was her campaign poorly organized in these areas? It looks like the latter to me.
The problem with pointing at WikiLeaks and Comey remains how overwhelming her victory in the popular vote is. More than 1.3 million voters and counting chose her over Trump. It was only in certain incredibly important areas that she collapsed and Trump caught her. So was Comey and Wiki more of an issue in these areas or was her campaign poorly organized in these areas? It looks like the latter to me.
her ground game was second to none from what i read and saw, but who knows
as far as areas like Michigan, Ohio, and Penn. i think blue collar voters flipping on her is what sunk her in those states that went for Obama in the last two elections
The problem with pointing at WikiLeaks and Comey remains how overwhelming her victory in the popular vote is. More than 1.3 million voters and counting chose her over Trump. It was only in certain incredibly important areas that she collapsed and Trump caught her. So was Comey and Wiki more of an issue in these areas or was her campaign poorly organized in these areas? It looks like the latter to me.
her ground game was second to none from what i read and saw, but who knows
as far as areas like Michigan, Ohio, and Penn. i think blue collar voters flipping on her is what sunk her in those states that went for Obama in the last two elections
in PA it was the rednecks. Hillary won the cities and the big counties near the cities. Trump won huge in the redneck counties. PA is Philly on the East, Pitt on the West and a whole lot of redneck in between.
Number of times I visited Wisconsin in 2016 = 2 Number of times Hillary visited WI in 2016 = 0
Mind you I didn't run for President.
I am a registered Democrat myself and Hillary did not appeal to me at all. She seemed smug, arrogant, like she had it in the bag and didn't have to put effort into her campaign to win. While Donald Trump was out campaigning, he was offering people his actions as President. Agree with him or not (and I don't on almost everything) he was out there campaigning. Meanwhile, all it seemed like Hillary was doing was say "Oh, look what ol' Donald Trump did/said today" with a shit eating grin on her face. I'm sure I'm not the only Democrat that feels/felt this way. Matter of fact, several of my Democrat friends also offered the same sentiment when we would talk about it leading up to the election. We felt disenfranchised by her. We were completely denied reason(s) to vote for her. The only reason we had was "keep Trump out" and, while I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for him, that was not reason enough for me to vote for her either.
Smug and arrogant are accurate descriptors. She was the anointed one. The Democratic Party, the media and Hillary herself, even prior to the election, let us all know that she would be the next president. It was her turn. It's funny because in sports you always hear "on paper they should have won, but that's why we play the game". This is what happened with the election. On paper, Hillary was going to run away with it. But she didn't show up to play. She showed up waiting for her coronation.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
^^^^you really need to look at the Entitled Sexual Predator a little more closely before you describe anyone or any group of individuals as smug and arrogant.
^^^^you really need to look at the Entitled Sexual Predator a little more closely before you describe anyone or any group of individuals as smug and arrogant.
I think she thought she had it in the bag. why wouldn't she have? we all thought that.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Smug and arrogant are accurate descriptors. She was the anointed one. The Democratic Party, the media and Hillary herself, even prior to the election, let us all know that she would be the next president. It was her turn. It's funny because in sports you always hear "on paper they should have won, but that's why we play the game". This is what happened with the election. On paper, Hillary was going to run away with it. But she didn't show up to play. She showed up waiting for her coronation.
^^^in hindsight going for the full run of the table was a mistake. that was a bit arrogant. However, look at her opponent. The man is an undisputed racist-chronic vagina grabber. My Chihuahua should have been able to beat him. And no, this does not speak to the weakness of Hillary. It speaks to the unforgivably insidious nature by which ESP ran his campaign.
^^^in hindsight going for the full run of the table was a mistake. that was a bit arrogant. However, look at her opponent. The man is an undisputed racist-chronic vagina grabber. My Chihuahua should have been able to beat him. And no, this does not speak to the weakness of Hillary. It speaks to the unforgivably insidious nature by which ESP ran his campaign.
The full run was arrogant. So too was just assuming states like Michigan and Wisconsin were hers for the taking. Bernie beat her soundly in both. Both were winnable but she never really tried to win them. There was an assumption that they were won based on the history of other campaigns, not an understanding of conditions on the ground.
^^^^you really need to look at the Entitled Sexual Predator a little more closely before you describe anyone or any group of individuals as smug and arrogant.
This isn't a zero sum game. Calling one of the candidates smug and arrogant doesn't mean the other isn't. I was responding to an observation about Clinton. If someone had called Trump smug and arrogant, I'd have agreed with that as well. The difference is that Trump's arrogance didn't preclude him from putting in the effort.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
^^^^you really need to look at the Entitled Sexual Predator a little more closely before you describe anyone or any group of individuals as smug and arrogant.
This isn't a zero sum game. Calling one of the candidates smug and arrogant doesn't mean the other isn't. I was responding to an observation about Clinton. If someone had called Trump smug and arrogant, I'd have agreed with that as well. The difference is that Trump's arrogance didn't preclude him from putting in the effort.
you have a point. Hillary did come off as smug and arrogant. And yeah, after vagina-gate who wouldn't? so you can't cut your nose to spite your face. Anyone who's running for public office and who camera's in their face all the time will take on a certain smugness especially in a debate. It's called competition. Every hard core competitor on the planet turns into an asshole when it's game time.
It's sad man. Yeah Hillary, not a perfect person. But if you took her husband out of the picture, you'd see a pretty solid civil servant. She got screwed by an ESP who thinks winning is more important than how you win. Don't get me wrong, Hillary plays hardball and she didn't hold back. There was a difference. Just think about it....just a little.
^^^in hindsight going for the full run of the table was a mistake. that was a bit arrogant. However, look at her opponent. The man is an undisputed racist-chronic vagina grabber. My Chihuahua should have been able to beat him. And no, this does not speak to the weakness of Hillary. It speaks to the unforgivably insidious nature by which ESP ran his campaign.
The full run was arrogant. So too was just assuming states like Michigan and Wisconsin were hers for the taking. Bernie beat her soundly in both. Both were winnable but she never really tried to win them. There was an assumption that they were won based on the history of other campaigns, not an understanding of conditions on the ground.
why she didn't get David Axelrod, I don't know. Maybe CNN was paying better.
Maybe enough people are sick of the uprise of PC culture.
not a good reason to choose someone who is already made promises to suppress freedom of the press. the man went into this knowing what the job is. The press follows you everywhere and they are allowed to say anything about you. If you don't like it, dont be POTUS. Be a fucking a professional twitter blogger or a PJ forum troll.
Maybe enough people are sick of the uprise of PC culture.
Except there is no pc culture. That's essentially code speak used to manipulate the bigots and the fearful. PC culture was a term used to integrate a policy where trump could play on fears about minorites getting closer to equal status. The term "pc culture" will be played in mainstream media and also validated, but the underlying meaning of it is much darker than just not being able to call certain groups certain things. It's why trumpnwas a huge hit with white supremacists. This is their agenda, and they saw a candidate willing to take that agenda to the white house.
^^^in hindsight going for the full run of the table was a mistake. that was a bit arrogant. However, look at her opponent. The man is an undisputed racist-chronic vagina grabber. My Chihuahua should have been able to beat him. And no, this does not speak to the weakness of Hillary. It speaks to the unforgivably insidious nature by which ESP ran his campaign.
The full run was arrogant. So too was just assuming states like Michigan and Wisconsin were hers for the taking. Bernie beat her soundly in both. Both were winnable but she never really tried to win them. There was an assumption that they were won based on the history of other campaigns, not an understanding of conditions on the ground.
why she didn't get David Axelrod, I don't know. Maybe CNN was paying better.
Because she wanted to say she broke another barrier. Wanting to hire the first openly gay manager of a presidential campaign is a noble and worthy goal. It is. But in doing so they hired Robby Mook, a 36 year old kid who had never run a national campaign. Then that campaign lost the most winnable of races.
^^ agreed. again, the insidious manipulation of disenfranchised individuals is unforgivable. this man will never understand what it's like to hate school, not for school itself but the bus ride. even 25 years ago when i was in middle school, i would hear kids calling the middle eastern kids on the bus things like 'sand nigger', 'Saddam'. The list goes on and on. If you think those words are innocent, you're wrong. cuz, sometimes those words were directed at me and i'm not even Muslim but I have a dark complexion. I can tell you, it was rough. sometimes i'd sit on the floor cuz no one wanted to give space to a sand nigger Arab. I didnt even know what racism was at that point in my life and it's actually probably took another 20 years for me to process those incidents. But I guess that would be racism.
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As for this election, I think many just feared for the welfare of the country as a whole, and chose to vote for the lesser of two evils.
But what do I know??
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
as far as areas like Michigan, Ohio, and Penn. i think blue collar voters flipping on her is what sunk her in those states that went for Obama in the last two elections
Number of times I visited Wisconsin in 2016 = 2
Number of times Hillary visited WI in 2016 = 0
Mind you I didn't run for President.
I am a registered Democrat myself and Hillary did not appeal to me at all. She seemed smug, arrogant, like she had it in the bag and didn't have to put effort into her campaign to win. While Donald Trump was out campaigning, he was offering people his actions as President. Agree with him or not (and I don't on almost everything) he was out there campaigning. Meanwhile, all it seemed like Hillary was doing was say "Oh, look what ol' Donald Trump did/said today" with a shit eating grin on her face. I'm sure I'm not the only Democrat that feels/felt this way. Matter of fact, several of my Democrat friends also offered the same sentiment when we would talk about it leading up to the election. We felt disenfranchised by her. We were completely denied reason(s) to vote for her. The only reason we had was "keep Trump out" and, while I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for him, that was not reason enough for me to vote for her either.
-EV 8/14/93
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
It's sad man. Yeah Hillary, not a perfect person. But if you took her husband out of the picture, you'd see a pretty solid civil servant. She got screwed by an ESP who thinks winning is more important than how you win. Don't get me wrong, Hillary plays hardball and she didn't hold back. There was a difference. Just think about it....just a little.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."