Only 2 Drummers Get In? RnRHOF. Merged

OnWis97

Indifference said:

F Me In The Brain said:

What about Jack?

Didn't call out Jack since he is already in with RHCP

Is that how it works, though? I visited the RRHOF and saw names on there multiple times. I would not think his spot with the RHCP would impact whether he gets inducted with PJ. Of course, it sounds like they're just going with "original" and "longest tenured." So I don't think Jack gets in either way.

I don't have strong feelings. I'd argue that Dave A. and Jack are more integral to the bands success than Krusen. So I could see all four of them included (not Matt Chamberlain who was a brief stopgap and never on an album).

I suppose the RRHOF makes the decision (or I am sure Ed would want Jack in) and I guess it makes sense or the artists would include either too many people or exclude key people based on personal feelings.

EDITED: Called Matt Chamberlain "Matt C." and then realized that does not quite work.

TJ25487

Don't forget Boommmmmm!!!!

whoanelly15

bootlegger10 said:

I could see Dave A. as he was the drummer at the height of their popularity, and then Matt Cameron. I could make an argument that it should only be Matt.

This.

jjflash

At first blush I side w/ the HoF on this. Consider this: less Boom, there are as many different drummers as their are members of Pearl Jam proper. While they all have contributed to what Pearl Jam is, unless you're Parliament/Funkadelic or the E Street Band do that many people really need to be on stage? That's not to say the different drummers' contributions are not important. No doubt they are important, some more so than others. Think of it this way, if a family in honored, and the patriarch or matriarch has been married five times w/ the divorces occurring for different reasons, do all the ex-wives/ex-husbands get honored as part of the process??

Zod

Yah I'm not sure how the RRHoF chooses which members get to go. Sometimes it makes sense. Like when KISS got in. All their success and best albums were done with the older lineup. The new lineup didn't put out any groundbreaking albums.. they stepped in and kept the KISS machine alive. I completely agreed with that one.

PJ seems different. They're were at the height of their popularity and influence during the first 3 albums. Krusen drummed on Ten, but Dave A. stepped in to tour for it, and recorded the next two albums. He drums on the album that held the most album sales in a week record for a number of years. I think he should of been inducted. I think an argument could be made for Jack too. I can also see the argument against it. No Code/Yield are many of our favourite albums, but they weren't the big popular influential albums that Ten/Vs./Vitalogy were. I think Matt Cameron actually makes a little sense. It counters my argument that he only drummed in their less influential years, but technically he's also the first drummer, as he's the drummer on the mommason demo's. So it seems full circle for him to be included. So yah I think it's another slight on Dave A. to not get inducted.... poor guy.

CJ23113

As per hall website. I had looked into it why dave navarro wasn't inducted with the chili peppers. get in with the band have to be on the first studio album and/or at least 2 studio albums.

Zod

CJ23113 said:

As per hall website. I had looked into it why dave navarro wasn't inducted with the chili peppers. get in with the band have to be on the first studio album and/or at least 2 studio albums.

Which also seems inconsistently applied because both Dave A. and Jack Irons drummed on two albums. When Nirvana got inducted they didn't induct the guy who drummed on Bleach either

JB128716

Zod said:

Yah I'm not sure how the RRHoF chooses which members get to go. Sometimes it makes sense. Like when KISS got in. All their success and best albums were done with the older lineup. The new lineup didn't put out any groundbreaking albums.. they stepped in and kept the KISS machine alive. I completely agreed with that one.

PJ seems different. They're were at the height of their popularity and influence during the first 3 albums. Krusen drummed on Ten, but Dave A. stepped in to tour for it, and recorded the next two albums. He drums on the album that held the most album sales in a week record for a number of years. I think he should of been inducted. I think an argument could be made for Jack too. I can also see the argument against it. No Code/Yield are many of our favourite albums, but they weren't the big popular influential albums that Ten/Vs./Vitalogy were. I think Matt Cameron actually makes a little sense. It counters my argument that he only drummed in their less influential years, but technically he's also the first drummer, as he's the drummer on the mommason demo's. So it seems full circle for him to be included. So yah I think it's another slight on Dave A. to not get inducted.... poor guy.

Eric Carr should have been inducted.

red mos

I wonder if every member gets a trophy even if they are not at the ceremony? Josh got in with RHCP and he really wasn't even a member at that point. But on the hall of fame page, it has all the members listed.

mrpink90

they cant go on stage for the induction but they can sit with them. or at least sit somewhere in the audience.

i think abbruzzese deserves to be in over krusen. dave a was the drummer when they were at their most popular and the drummer when most of us first got into pearl jam. i remember being really upset when i found out they fired him, eddie and dave were my 2 fav members at that time. he was a major part of their sound during that time.

MickeyMouse

100 Pacer said:

Indifference said:

In a change of tradition, the Hall of Fame has announced the individual members of each band that will be honored. Pearl Jam have had five drummers, but only current drummer Matt Cameron and founding member Dave Krusen will be inducted should they make it in

I suspect I'm in the minority, but I agree with that call.

I agree with it too.

jeffbr

MickeyMouse said:

100 Pacer said:

Indifference said:

In a change of tradition, the Hall of Fame has announced the individual members of each band that will be honored. Pearl Jam have had five drummers, but only current drummer Matt Cameron and founding member Dave Krusen will be inducted should they make it in

I suspect I'm in the minority, but I agree with that call.

I agree with it too.

Maybe the minority is really the majority. I agree as well.

Flagg

It should be Dave, Jack and Matt and that's it for drummers. You could make an argument against Jack I guess. Krusen was only in the band for about 7 months or so and bailed out after 10 was recorded. 7 months of time with a band that has been around for 25 years. His work on 10 wasn't necessarily unique or groundbreaking. Honestly, anyone could have been drumming on that record and it still would have been a hit. Krusen made no appreciable contribution to what Pearl Jam would eventually become.

igotid88

Flagg said:

It should be Dave, Jack and Matt and that's it for drummers. You could make an argument against Jack I guess. Krusen was only in the band for about 7 months or so and bailed out after 10 was recorded. 7 months of time with a band that has been around for 25 years. His work on 10 wasn't necessarily unique or groundbreaking. Honestly, anyone could have been drumming on that record and it still would have been a hit. Krusen made no appreciable contribution to what Pearl Jam would eventually become.

He had a personal problem that led to his dismissal. I think he could have done what Dave A. did drum wise

tweedyfanjen

Why would you want to sit in the audience and watch a band you were fired from be inducted into the Hall of Fame?

Spiritual_Chaos

All members who have helped the band to get from point A to the present should get nominated. Who cares if that would be 100 members for some bands (Kiss etc). Every brick that has made up that band should be nominated.

But if not, Dave A should still have gotten fucking nominated. Haha.

First the piss poor PJ20 doc treatment, now this. He deserves better. Haha.

Tim Simmons

Or on the flipside, why would the band want to hand with a dude they didn't want in the band.

AceCool

Spiritual_Chaos said:

All members who have helped the band to get from point A to the present should get nominated. Who cares if that would be 100 members for some bands (Kiss etc). Every brick that has made up that band should be nominated.

But if not, Dave A should have gotten fucking nominated. Haha.

First the piss poor PJ20 doc treatment, now this.

What a bunch of shit.

bootlegger10

After a couple minutes of thought I think only Matt Cameron should be inducted with them. The other drummers lasted for only a couple years at the most.

my2hands

I don't care which drummer does or doesn't get in.... none of these guys would be getting in if they didn't meet Eddie Vedder