Only 2 Drummers Get In? RnRHOF. Merged

deweil

Shame on PJ for not including them (if they wanted in there, they're be there)
Jack's contributions to No Code and Yield (and Merkin Ball, Hey Foxy...) are beyond dispute
Dave A was on Vs and Vitalogy. That's all you need to say.

As for Boom, I don't think of him as a full member. Sure, he tours/records with them, but I don't think they worry about his schedule when doing either. Can you imagine? Mike wants to record, but Boom's busy in Hawaii so they scrap the album...never would happen. They're gracious to put him in some of the band photos online (but not on magazines, interviews, etc).

HughFreakingDillon

deweil said:

Shame on PJ for not including them (if they wanted in there, they're be there)
Jack's contributions to No Code and Yield (and Merkin Ball, Hey Foxy...) are beyond dispute
Dave A was on Vs and Vitalogy. That's all you need to say.

As for Boom, I don't think of him as a full member. Sure, he tours/records with them, but I don't think they worry about his schedule when doing either. Can you imagine? Mike wants to record, but Boom's busy in Hawaii so they scrap the album...never would happen. They're gracious to put him in some of the band photos online (but not on magazines, interviews, etc).

as stated several times, it's not up to the band. the bands/artists have zero control over which members get inducted. it's all up to the Hall.

Abe Froman

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Abe Froman said:

nicknyr15 said:

Ninetytworules said:

I'm a drummer so obviously I'm an expert. Dave A is by far the best studio drummer they have had. Can he do what Matt C does night in night out, I don't know I never saw Dave A live. Remember bands for the most part don't care about the creativity of a drummer they just want him to keep time because they can't. The drumming on VS. is incredible. I have always felt bad for him and remember when it was announced they replaced and couldn't understand why (now I know). He should be included in the HoF even though it doesn't mean shit!

Man. I'm drummer for over 15 years and completely disagree. His drumming to me is so easy to replicate compared to Matt. Especially when Matt goes odd times. It's actually great to hear someone with an opposite opinion who also drums. There are so many moments during live bootlegs where it sounds like a song might fall apart and the heart , MFC, holds it together. The dude can play hundreds of songd at any given time. To me he is a machine! And I could of swore I read that Dave A had trouble keeping time in the studio. Especially while recording RVM. Am I remembering wrong? Anyway who cares lol. Our boys are nominated and that's all that matters to me. I guess it's silly arguing over someone who hasn't been in the picture for the last 20 years.

I agree. Dave A is a pretty simplistic drummer and never really contributed much in the studio. I also remember hearing he struggled with songs in studio recording Vs

In what way is he simplistic?

Dave Grohl struggled at the Nevermind recordings.

I just find Dave A drumming fairly average. Just an opinion. Matt Cameron is an absolute beast in studio and especially live. Love his fills and timing. I loved Jacks tribal style as well. Not sure what Dave Grohl has to do with anything (phenomenal drummer BTW).

THE LOOK

I dig Dave A's drumming! I loved his use of the cymbals. I don't know him personally, so I can't comment on him as a person. I do feel he was a crucial part of PJ during his time in the band!

mcgruff10

I think anyone could have drummed during the Dave a era and Pearl Jam would have been just as big. No one fell in love with Pearl Jam due to the drumming lol

samjam

I think it would be cool if they reconsidered and included Dave and Jack (even Boom), but it's not my call.

cutz

HughFreakingDillon said:

deweil said:

Shame on PJ for not including them (if they wanted in there, they're be there)
Jack's contributions to No Code and Yield (and Merkin Ball, Hey Foxy...) are beyond dispute
Dave A was on Vs and Vitalogy. That's all you need to say.

As for Boom, I don't think of him as a full member. Sure, he tours/records with them, but I don't think they worry about his schedule when doing either. Can you imagine? Mike wants to record, but Boom's busy in Hawaii so they scrap the album...never would happen. They're gracious to put him in some of the band photos online (but not on magazines, interviews, etc).

as stated several times, it's not up to the band. the bands/artists have zero control over which members get inducted. it's all up to the Hall.

Which doesn't make sense to me.

How about the Hall let the Band/s decide?

jerparker20

mcgruff10 said:

I think anyone could have drummed during the Dave a era and Pearl Jam would have been just as big. No one fell in love with Pearl Jam due to the drumming lol

Yup.

HughFreakingDillon

cutz said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

deweil said:

Shame on PJ for not including them (if they wanted in there, they're be there)
Jack's contributions to No Code and Yield (and Merkin Ball, Hey Foxy...) are beyond dispute
Dave A was on Vs and Vitalogy. That's all you need to say.

As for Boom, I don't think of him as a full member. Sure, he tours/records with them, but I don't think they worry about his schedule when doing either. Can you imagine? Mike wants to record, but Boom's busy in Hawaii so they scrap the album...never would happen. They're gracious to put him in some of the band photos online (but not on magazines, interviews, etc).

as stated several times, it's not up to the band. the bands/artists have zero control over which members get inducted. it's all up to the Hall.

Which doesn't make sense to me.

How about the Hall let the Band/s decide?

because most bands, by the time they are eligible, are not on speaking terms. how would they decide? it would be worse. imagine axl rose choosing. or billy corgan. or gene simmons. or don henley. or roger waters. or courtney love.

Spiritual_Chaos

mcgruff10 said:

I think anyone could have drummed during the Dave a era and Pearl Jam would have been just as big. No one fell in love with Pearl Jam due to the drumming lol

I thinks this kind of reasoning is irrelevant. Anyone could have played bass also. No one fell in love with Pearl Jam due to the basslines.

Spiritual_Chaos

HughFreakingDillon said:

cutz said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

deweil said:

Shame on PJ for not including them (if they wanted in there, they're be there)
Jack's contributions to No Code and Yield (and Merkin Ball, Hey Foxy...) are beyond dispute
Dave A was on Vs and Vitalogy. That's all you need to say.

As for Boom, I don't think of him as a full member. Sure, he tours/records with them, but I don't think they worry about his schedule when doing either. Can you imagine? Mike wants to record, but Boom's busy in Hawaii so they scrap the album...never would happen. They're gracious to put him in some of the band photos online (but not on magazines, interviews, etc).

as stated several times, it's not up to the band. the bands/artists have zero control over which members get inducted. it's all up to the Hall.

Which doesn't make sense to me.

How about the Hall let the Band/s decide?

because most bands, by the time they are eligible, are not on speaking terms. how would they decide? it would be worse. imagine axl rose choosing. or billy corgan. or gene simmons. or don henley. or roger waters. or courtney love.

Wouldn't be a problem.

Guns N Roses are elected/inducted as a band – from start off to present.

Whoever gets to go to the show and play and say their thanks you's are up to the band - as in Axl Rose, because he owns it.

Smashing Pumpkins are elected/inducted as a band – from start off to present.
Whoever gets to go to the show and play and say their thanks you's are up to the band - as in Billy Corgan, because he owns it.

mcgruff10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

I think anyone could have drummed during the Dave a era and Pearl Jam would have been just as big. No one fell in love with Pearl Jam due to the drumming lol

I thinks this kind of reasoning is irrelevant. Anyone could have played bass also. No one fell in love with Pearl Jam due to the basslines.

We aren't talking about bassists, we re talking drummers so it is relevant.
Plus the bassist of Pearl Jam did write one of the biggest songs of the 90s.

Merkin Baller

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

I think anyone could have drummed during the Dave a era and Pearl Jam would have been just as big. No one fell in love with Pearl Jam due to the drumming lol

I thinks this kind of reasoning is irrelevant. Anyone could have played bass also. No one fell in love with Pearl Jam due to the basslines.

In the context of "should Dave A be inducted in the RRHOF w/ Pearl Jam?" It is completely relevant.

I like member-berries as much as anyone, but at the end of the day, Dave A wasn't as great or prolific a drummer as people romanticize him to be. The guy was good, and they made 2 awesome albums with him, but this isn't Danny Carey we're talking about here.

nicknyr15

Merkin Baller said:

Matt Cameron is a much better drummer than Dave A

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

I think anyone could have drummed during the Dave a era and Pearl Jam would have been just as big. No one fell in love with Pearl Jam due to the drumming lol

I thinks this kind of reasoning is irrelevant. Anyone could have played bass also. No one fell in love with Pearl Jam due to the basslines.

In the context of "should Dave A be inducted in the RRHOF w/ Pearl Jam?" It is completely relevant.

I like member-berries as much as anyone, but at the end of the day, Dave A wasn't as great or prolific a drummer as people romanticize him to be. The guy was good, and they made 2 awesome albums with him, but this isn't Danny Carey we're talking about here.

I was thinking it only had to with the albums he was on. Member berries for sure. I could care less if he's in or not. Good drummer, nowhere near great. The albums were great.

HughFreakingDillon

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cutz said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

deweil said:

Shame on PJ for not including them (if they wanted in there, they're be there)
Jack's contributions to No Code and Yield (and Merkin Ball, Hey Foxy...) are beyond dispute
Dave A was on Vs and Vitalogy. That's all you need to say.

As for Boom, I don't think of him as a full member. Sure, he tours/records with them, but I don't think they worry about his schedule when doing either. Can you imagine? Mike wants to record, but Boom's busy in Hawaii so they scrap the album...never would happen. They're gracious to put him in some of the band photos online (but not on magazines, interviews, etc).

as stated several times, it's not up to the band. the bands/artists have zero control over which members get inducted. it's all up to the Hall.

Which doesn't make sense to me.

How about the Hall let the Band/s decide?

because most bands, by the time they are eligible, are not on speaking terms. how would they decide? it would be worse. imagine axl rose choosing. or billy corgan. or gene simmons. or don henley. or roger waters. or courtney love.

Wouldn't be a problem.

Guns N Roses are elected/inducted as a band – from start off to present.

Whoever gets to go to the show and play and say their thanks you's are up to the band - as in Axl Rose, because he owns it.

Smashing Pumpkins are elected/inducted as a band – from start off to present.
Whoever gets to go to the show and play and say their thanks you's are up to the band - as in Billy Corgan, because he owns it.

those are but two examples of the frontman "owning" the band. in most cases, that just isn't the case.

i_lov_it

mcgruff10 said:

I think anyone could have drummed during the Dave a era and Pearl Jam would have been just as big. No one fell in love with Pearl Jam due to the drumming lol

I know right...

Merkin Baller

nicknyr15 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Matt Cameron is a much better drummer than Dave A

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

I think anyone could have drummed during the Dave a era and Pearl Jam would have been just as big. No one fell in love with Pearl Jam due to the drumming lol

I thinks this kind of reasoning is irrelevant. Anyone could have played bass also. No one fell in love with Pearl Jam due to the basslines.

In the context of "should Dave A be inducted in the RRHOF w/ Pearl Jam?" It is completely relevant.

I like member-berries as much as anyone, but at the end of the day, Dave A wasn't as great or prolific a drummer as people romanticize him to be. The guy was good, and they made 2 awesome albums with him, but this isn't Danny Carey we're talking about here.

I was thinking it only had to with the albums he was on. Member berries for sure. I could care less if he's in or not. Good drummer, nowhere near great. The albums were great.

My line about Cameron being a better drummer was saved from a previous draft........ I should have deleted that before posting (edited!)

green_girl

Inducting the first and last drummers is a solution that everyone can accept, but they really should induct all the PJ drummers. (and Tupac and Janet and Depeche Mode and Joan Baez) I think each drummer made a significant contribution; some more than others, of course; but speak up PJ, and do what's fair.

It's names on a plaque, not the last lifeboat. What's wrong with adding 3 more names. RRHOF is just being trifling.

Merkin Baller

green_girl said:

Inducting the first and last drummers is a solution that everyone can accept, but they really should induct all the PJ drummers. (and Tupac and Janet and Depeche Mode and Joan Baez) I think each drummer made a significant contribution; some more than others, of course; but speak up PJ, and do what's fair.

It's names on a plaque, not the last lifeboat. What's wrong with adding 3 more names. RRHOF is just being trifling.

Yeah, but what's 'fair?'

Many people are calling for the band to 'do what's fair' or 'do the right thing' but who are we to tell PJ what's fair or right? They know who wrote what & who contributed where. They know what happened behind the scenes, we don't. None of us were there so who are we to decide what's fair or right when it comes to them being honored for their library of work?

igotid88

green_girl said:

Inducting the first and last drummers is a solution that everyone can accept, but they really should induct all the PJ drummers. (and Tupac and Janet and Depeche Mode and Joan Baez) I think each drummer made a significant contribution; some more than others, of course; but speak up PJ, and do what's fair.

It's names on a plaque, not the last lifeboat. What's wrong with adding 3 more names. RRHOF is just being trifling.

there's nothing PJ can do. Lot's of bands complained about wanting certain members in but the Hall wouldn't budge