Only 2 Drummers Get In? RnRHOF. Merged

Ninetytworules

I'm a drummer so obviously I'm an expert. Dave A is by far the best studio drummer they have had. Can he do what Matt C does night in night out, I don't know I never saw Dave A live. Remember bands for the most part don't care about the creativity of a drummer they just want him to keep time because they can't. The drumming on VS. is incredible. I have always felt bad for him and remember when it was announced they replaced and couldn't understand why (now I know). He should be included in the HoF even though it doesn't mean shit!

Zod

HughFreakingDillon said:

yeah, I get that. I just don't think you can induct a band without it's current members. it was odd to me that they did that with KISS.

I would argue the opposite. Most bands aren't being inducted for what they're doing now. They're being inducted for what they did. What they did to change the industry and influence other musicians. What I'm seeing is quite often with older bands, is that members have left. They've been replaced with other musicians. They've stopped putting out albums (or at least putting out decent albums) and those new musicians are basically glorified touring musicians.

Obviously there's different circumstances for every band, but in the case of KISS. They're legacy was cemented before the new guys ever joined band. The best albums and the best tours were all before the new guys joined in. If the new guys got in it's because of what the other guys did years ago, not because of their contributions. Thus I agree with the RRoH on that one.

As the RRoH is all over the place when it comes to this, maybe they should create some consistency. Musician was part of their band for X amount of platinum selling albums (a rudimentary measure of popular/influence of albums).

This is generally why I think people like Dave A. deserve to be nominated, but new Kiss members don't.

mcgruff10

pjhawks said:

Matt started on the 1998 American tour did he not? he has been in the band for 18 of the 25 years. i've seen 27 shows now and have never seen the band with another drummer. it should be Matt's stage alone when they perform. Honor the others maybe, but keep the others off that stage.

You are correct. Jack left after Australia/New Zealand spring 98.

nicknyr15

Ninetytworules said:

I'm a drummer so obviously I'm an expert. Dave A is by far the best studio drummer they have had. Can he do what Matt C does night in night out, I don't know I never saw Dave A live. Remember bands for the most part don't care about the creativity of a drummer they just want him to keep time because they can't. The drumming on VS. is incredible. I have always felt bad for him and remember when it was announced they replaced and couldn't understand why (now I know). He should be included in the HoF even though it doesn't mean shit!

Man. I'm drummer for over 15 years and completely disagree. His drumming to me is so easy to replicate compared to Matt. Especially when Matt goes odd times. It's actually great to hear someone with an opposite opinion who also drums. There are so many moments during live bootlegs where it sounds like a song might fall apart and the heart , MFC, holds it together. The dude can play hundreds of songd at any given time. To me he is a machine! And I could of swore I read that Dave A had trouble keeping time in the studio. Especially while recording RVM. Am I remembering wrong? Anyway who cares lol. Our boys are nominated and that's all that matters to me. I guess it's silly arguing over someone who hasn't been in the picture for the last 20 years.

PJ_Soul

pjhawks said:

Matt started on the 1998 American tour did he not? he has been in the band for 18 of the 25 years. i've seen 27 shows now and have never seen the band with another drummer. it should be Matt's stage alone when they perform. Honor the others maybe, but keep the others off that stage.

I agree.

PJ_Soul

nicknyr15 said:

Ninetytworules said:

I'm a drummer so obviously I'm an expert. Dave A is by far the best studio drummer they have had. Can he do what Matt C does night in night out, I don't know I never saw Dave A live. Remember bands for the most part don't care about the creativity of a drummer they just want him to keep time because they can't. The drumming on VS. is incredible. I have always felt bad for him and remember when it was announced they replaced and couldn't understand why (now I know). He should be included in the HoF even though it doesn't mean shit!

Man. I'm drummer for over 15 years and completely disagree. His drumming to me is so easy to replicate compared to Matt. Especially when Matt goes odd times. It's actually great to hear someone with an opposite opinion who also drums. There are so many moments during live bootlegs where it sounds like a song might fall apart and the heart , MFC, holds it together. The dude can play hundreds of songd at any given time. To me he is a machine! And I could of swore I read that Dave A had trouble keeping time in the studio. Especially while recording RVM. Am I remembering wrong? Anyway who cares lol. Our boys are nominated and that's all that matters to me. I guess it's silly arguing over someone who hasn't been in the picture for the last 20 years.

I agree with this, too.

mr bungle

HOF did the right thing! Founding drummer and current drummer who has been with them for 18 years. The other alternative would have been a Spinal Tap situation (5 drummers standing there, come on).

on2legs

I personally think Dave should be included but on the flip side I've never listened to a single band or performer because they had a great drummer. I think people here are overblowing his importance.

mr bungle

on2legs said:

I personally think Dave should be included but on the flip side I've never listened to a single band or performer because they had a great drummer. I think people here are overblowing his importance.

I agree with you mostly. However I have to say I go to Tool shows to see Danny just as much as I go to hear the songs.

Ninetytworules

nicknyr15 said:

Ninetytworules said:

I'm a drummer so obviously I'm an expert. Dave A is by far the best studio drummer they have had. Can he do what Matt C does night in night out, I don't know I never saw Dave A live. Remember bands for the most part don't care about the creativity of a drummer they just want him to keep time because they can't. The drumming on VS. is incredible. I have always felt bad for him and remember when it was announced they replaced and couldn't understand why (now I know). He should be included in the HoF even though it doesn't mean shit!

Man. I'm drummer for over 15 years and completely disagree. His drumming to me is so easy to replicate compared to Matt. Especially when Matt goes odd times. It's actually great to hear someone with an opposite opinion who also drums. There are so many moments during live bootlegs where it sounds like a song might fall apart and the heart , MFC, holds it together. The dude can play hundreds of songd at any given time. To me he is a machine! And I could of swore I read that Dave A had trouble keeping time in the studio. Especially while recording RVM. Am I remembering wrong? Anyway who cares lol. Our boys are nominated and that's all that matters to me. I guess it's silly arguing over someone who hasn't been in the picture for the last 20 years.

Just to be clear I'm not arguing Matt vs Dave. All I can say is I've played my drums thousands of times to vs (I'm not exaggerating, it's been out for almost 25 years) and it just speaks to me. I love Matt C.

rssesq

I would never have seen Rush if this was so.
Geddy lee? meh; Neil Peart G.O.A.T.

on2legs said:

I personally think Dave should be included but on the flip side I've never listened to a single band or performer because they had a great drummer. I think people here are overblowing his importance.

Ninetytworules

on2legs said:

I personally think Dave should be included but on the flip side I've never listened to a single band or performer because they had a great drummer. I think people here are overblowing his importance.

There is only one rock band ever that the drummer was irreplaceable.

nicknyr15

Ninetytworules said:

nicknyr15 said:

Ninetytworules said:

I'm a drummer so obviously I'm an expert. Dave A is by far the best studio drummer they have had. Can he do what Matt C does night in night out, I don't know I never saw Dave A live. Remember bands for the most part don't care about the creativity of a drummer they just want him to keep time because they can't. The drumming on VS. is incredible. I have always felt bad for him and remember when it was announced they replaced and couldn't understand why (now I know). He should be included in the HoF even though it doesn't mean shit!

Man. I'm drummer for over 15 years and completely disagree. His drumming to me is so easy to replicate compared to Matt. Especially when Matt goes odd times. It's actually great to hear someone with an opposite opinion who also drums. There are so many moments during live bootlegs where it sounds like a song might fall apart and the heart , MFC, holds it together. The dude can play hundreds of songd at any given time. To me he is a machine! And I could of swore I read that Dave A had trouble keeping time in the studio. Especially while recording RVM. Am I remembering wrong? Anyway who cares lol. Our boys are nominated and that's all that matters to me. I guess it's silly arguing over someone who hasn't been in the picture for the last 20 years.

Just to be clear I'm not arguing Matt vs Dave. All I can say is I've played my drums thousands of times to vs (I'm not exaggerating, it's been out for almost 25 years) and it just speaks to me. I love Matt C.

Fair enough!

nicknyr15

mr bungle said:

on2legs said:

I personally think Dave should be included but on the flip side I've never listened to a single band or performer because they had a great drummer. I think people here are overblowing his importance.

I agree with you mostly. However I have to say I go to Tool shows to see Danny just as much as I go to hear the songs.

Danny is otherworldly.

mcgruff10

Ninetytworules said:

on2legs said:

I personally think Dave should be included but on the flip side I've never listened to a single band or performer because they had a great drummer. I think people here are overblowing his importance.

There is only one rock band ever that the drummer was irreplaceable.

I m not a drummer so I m wondering what your answer is.

Ninetytworules

mcgruff10 said:

Ninetytworules said:

on2legs said:

I personally think Dave should be included but on the flip side I've never listened to a single band or performer because they had a great drummer. I think people here are overblowing his importance.

There is only one rock band ever that the drummer was irreplaceable.

I m not a drummer so I m wondering what your answer is.

Zeppelin

igotid88

I'm not an expert on who's a better drummer or whatever. But I don't hear that much difference from Ten to Vitalogy in terms of drumming. You can hear it on No Code and you can hear it during the Cameron years. Due to unfortunate circumstances Dave Krusen couldn't continue with the band. But the majority of people who know of Pearl Jam would think of the songs Alive, Jeremy, Black, Why Go, and Even Flow. I know the re-recorded Even Flow with Dave A. And the Alive video has Matt Chamberlain. But Alive, Jeremy, Black, and Release on the radio is Dave K.

So it's not necessarily that Ten was their first record so Dave K has to be in. It's their most popular and well known I believe that the decision was based. If Ten didn't put then on the map. And it was Vs. Then Dave A. has a better chance. Also had there been videos for Daughter, Go, Rearviewmirror, Better Man, Immortality, Spin the Black Circle. I believe those albums would be up there with Ten in terms of sales.

nicknyr15

Ninetytworules said:

mcgruff10 said:

Ninetytworules said:

on2legs said:

I personally think Dave should be included but on the flip side I've never listened to a single band or performer because they had a great drummer. I think people here are overblowing his importance.

There is only one rock band ever that the drummer was irreplaceable.

I m not a drummer so I m wondering what your answer is.

Zeppelin

True story

mcgruff10

Ninetytworules said:

mcgruff10 said:

Ninetytworules said:

on2legs said:

I personally think Dave should be included but on the flip side I've never listened to a single band or performer because they had a great drummer. I think people here are overblowing his importance.

There is only one rock band ever that the drummer was irreplaceable.

I m not a drummer so I m wondering what your answer is.

Zeppelin

Damn I never knew that. Guy was that good?

mrpink90

Ninetytworules said:

mcgruff10 said:

Ninetytworules said:

on2legs said:

I personally think Dave should be included but on the flip side I've never listened to a single band or performer because they had a great drummer. I think people here are overblowing his importance.

There is only one rock band ever that the drummer was irreplaceable.

I m not a drummer so I m wondering what your answer is.

Zeppelin

yup. still amazing they broke up after he died considering how crazy popular they still were. and they were still really young, i think robert plant was only 32 at the time. thats 1 of my fav things about led zep, they knew he was irreplaceable and they didnt wanna mess up the legacy of the band.