pipe bomb explodes at military race in new jersey and now a bomb explodes in nyc

Gern Blansten

unsung said:

Cliffy6745 said:

NONE OF YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KILLED BY A TERRORIST!

Except the Americans that have, or do we not count them?

How many Americans die each year from lax regulations? My guess is that it is more than terrorist killings.

Maybe you should change your priorities.

dignin

Cliffy6745 said:

NONE OF YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KILLED BY A TERRORIST!

BUT I'M SCARED!!! YOU CAN'T QUANTIFY HOW SCARED I AM!!

Godfather. said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I don't think GF was calling all refugees 'useless POS'.

I believe he was calling the evil ones among them 'useless POS'.

that's correct.

Godfather.

Ah yes.

Please, don't be PC....don't hold back....be like Trump and tell it like it is!

Cliffy6745

unsung said:

Cliffy6745 said:

NONE OF YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KILLED BY A TERRORIST!

Except the Americans that have, or do we not count them?

unsung said:

Cliffy6745 said:

NONE OF YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KILLED BY A TERRORIST!

Except the Americans that have, or do we not count them?

Sure, we can, and if we count that number and compare it to everything else that could kill us, terrorism would be well down our list of concerns and priorities...

eddiec

Syrians gaining refugee status is the most difficult method to enter the US. It would be easier to fly to South America and make your way up. If your goal is to infiltrate the US than attempting to do it as a Syrian refugee is a waste of time. Europe is slightly different because of the border problems.

pjhawks

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/09/19/msnbc-host-under-fire-for-comment-on-new-york-bombing/21475252/

so why is what this guy said an issue? he is correct. no one died in this but surely spme or many would have if a guy and/or assault weapon was used

Godfather.

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I don't think GF was calling all refugees 'useless POS'.

I believe he was calling the evil ones among them 'useless POS'.

that's correct.

Godfather.

So to clarify, you meant "most" of the evil ones are pos's, and some of the evil ones are not?

are you an evil muslim ? it sounds as though I've hurt your feelings, let me get my violin out for you.

Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Cliffy6745 said:

NONE OF YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KILLED BY A TERRORIST!

Oh. Okay. Pshew!

No need for any concern whatsoever.

Your concern should be relative to the risk.

So wait until it's a real significant problem before being concerned about it?

Cliffy6745

eddiec said:

Syrians gaining refugee status is the most difficult method to enter the US. It would be easier to fly to South America and make your way up. If your goal is to infiltrate the US than attempting to do it as a Syrian refugee is a waste of time. Europe is slightly different because of the border problems.

This. People don't seem to understand this.

I again ask, how many refugees committed terrorist acts? No one has named one yet.

Godfather.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/20/accused-new-york-new-jersey-bomber-made-several-trips-to-afghanistan-pakistan-prior-to-attacks.html

Ahmad Khan Rahami's father, Mohammad, spoke to reporters outside his home in Elizabeth, N.J. "Two years I called the FBI, my son, he's doing very bad, OK? But they check it almost two months... They say he's not a terrorist. I said, 'OK.' Now they say he is a terrorist. I say, 'OK.'"

bootlegger10

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

unsung said:

Clinton wants to increase importation of "refugee" muslims by 500%.

These attacks will only be a more common occurance.

Refugees in quotation marks... Do you refute the fact that they are refugees?

many are useless POS...but they have probably been paid for long ago via the Clinton foundation.

Godfather.

calling some refugees......"useless POS"? I am struggling for words right now. This is one of the most offensive things I have ever seen anyone type here. And that says a lot.

There is a lot of fear, hate, and ignorance in the world.

And a surprising amount on here as well.

Namaste'

There sure is. I am not defending the "useless POS" and skittle comments. But, when you refer to "fear", there actually is something to fear here. Look at the terrorists attacks that occurred in Paris, Belgium, Nice, San Bernardino, Orlando, Minnesota, New York, New Jersey, etc....There is a legitimate reason for fear. The question is what the proper response is, but to say that there is nothing to fear is not true. Look at how terrorism has changed the world in the last 15 years. Certainly the West's response plays a role, but it has changed our lives in so many ways. If 100,000 refugees come to the USA there will be a terrorist among them, or one in the next generation. Some think that the collateral damage is fine, and others think that it is treasonous act. There is a middle ground but to say that there is nothing to fear is not true.

He didn't say there isn't anything to fear. You can be afraid if you want, but fear shouldn't drive the response, and that's what you're seeing. Also, the fear is way out of proportion to the actual threat.

So whose decision is it to sacrifice the lives of a nominal amount of USA citizens' lives in order to bring in 100,000 refugees where a couple will probably commit a terrorist attack at some point? I'm not saying we should completely shut the door, but lets be honest about this.

Let's be honest about it. How many refugees in the US have committed a terrorist act? Refugees, not immigrants...

Europe is having problems with the second and third generations. The US terrorist acts have been second and third generation. You say it is isn't an act committed by an immigrant, but you completely ignore that the second and third generation can't commit a terrorist act if their parents didn't immigrate. This is why assimilation is so important, because Europe has found that even though someone is born in France that doesn't mean they put France above Syria or Afghanistan. This isn't just about the person immigrating now, but what happens generations down the line. Hopefully we will not be as fractured as Europe is now.

Go Beavers

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I don't think GF was calling all refugees 'useless POS'.

I believe he was calling the evil ones among them 'useless POS'.

that's correct.

Godfather.

So to clarify, you meant "most" of the evil ones are pos's, and some of the evil ones are not?

are you an evil muslim ? it sounds as though I've hurt your feelings, let me get my violin out for you.

Godfather.

Nice try. I just pointing out another bigoted comment you made in here, and now you're trying to backpedal out of it.

bootlegger10

Cliffy6745 said:

NONE OF YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KILLED BY A TERRORIST!

Let's just play the odds then right? It is okay if 50 die in Orlando or 20 in San Bernardino right? Odds are it won't be me so fuck whoever does get killed right? The numbers aren't large enough to care.

How about the hundreds that died in Paris and Belgium? Are they not people, because they died. One was a big Eddie Vedder fan and could have posted here. He died. Does saying it in all CAPS make it true?

Cliffy6745

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

unsung said:

Clinton wants to increase importation of "refugee" muslims by 500%.

These attacks will only be a more common occurance.

Refugees in quotation marks... Do you refute the fact that they are refugees?

many are useless POS...but they have probably been paid for long ago via the Clinton foundation.

Godfather.

calling some refugees......"useless POS"? I am struggling for words right now. This is one of the most offensive things I have ever seen anyone type here. And that says a lot.

There is a lot of fear, hate, and ignorance in the world.

And a surprising amount on here as well.

Namaste'

There sure is. I am not defending the "useless POS" and skittle comments. But, when you refer to "fear", there actually is something to fear here. Look at the terrorists attacks that occurred in Paris, Belgium, Nice, San Bernardino, Orlando, Minnesota, New York, New Jersey, etc....There is a legitimate reason for fear. The question is what the proper response is, but to say that there is nothing to fear is not true. Look at how terrorism has changed the world in the last 15 years. Certainly the West's response plays a role, but it has changed our lives in so many ways. If 100,000 refugees come to the USA there will be a terrorist among them, or one in the next generation. Some think that the collateral damage is fine, and others think that it is treasonous act. There is a middle ground but to say that there is nothing to fear is not true.

He didn't say there isn't anything to fear. You can be afraid if you want, but fear shouldn't drive the response, and that's what you're seeing. Also, the fear is way out of proportion to the actual threat.

So whose decision is it to sacrifice the lives of a nominal amount of USA citizens' lives in order to bring in 100,000 refugees where a couple will probably commit a terrorist attack at some point? I'm not saying we should completely shut the door, but lets be honest about this.

Let's be honest about it. How many refugees in the US have committed a terrorist act? Refugees, not immigrants...

Europe is having problems with the second and third generations. The US terrorist acts have been second and third generation. You say it is isn't an act committed by an immigrant, but you completely ignore that the second and third generation can't commit a terrorist act if their parents didn't immigrate. This is why assimilation is so important, because Europe has found that even though someone is born in France that doesn't mean they put France above Syria or Afghanistan. This isn't just about the person immigrating now, but what happens generations down the line. Hopefully we will not be as fractured as Europe is now.

Again, you are confusing immigration and refugees. I never said no terrorist acts were committed by immigrants, only refugees, which is the topic de jour. Also, we are not Europe and have very different borders and history for that matter. They cannot be compared.

bootlegger10

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

unsung said:

Clinton wants to increase importation of "refugee" muslims by 500%.

These attacks will only be a more common occurance.

Refugees in quotation marks... Do you refute the fact that they are refugees?

many are useless POS...but they have probably been paid for long ago via the Clinton foundation.

Godfather.

calling some refugees......"useless POS"? I am struggling for words right now. This is one of the most offensive things I have ever seen anyone type here. And that says a lot.

There is a lot of fear, hate, and ignorance in the world.

And a surprising amount on here as well.

Namaste'

There sure is. I am not defending the "useless POS" and skittle comments. But, when you refer to "fear", there actually is something to fear here. Look at the terrorists attacks that occurred in Paris, Belgium, Nice, San Bernardino, Orlando, Minnesota, New York, New Jersey, etc....There is a legitimate reason for fear. The question is what the proper response is, but to say that there is nothing to fear is not true. Look at how terrorism has changed the world in the last 15 years. Certainly the West's response plays a role, but it has changed our lives in so many ways. If 100,000 refugees come to the USA there will be a terrorist among them, or one in the next generation. Some think that the collateral damage is fine, and others think that it is treasonous act. There is a middle ground but to say that there is nothing to fear is not true.

He didn't say there isn't anything to fear. You can be afraid if you want, but fear shouldn't drive the response, and that's what you're seeing. Also, the fear is way out of proportion to the actual threat.

So whose decision is it to sacrifice the lives of a nominal amount of USA citizens' lives in order to bring in 100,000 refugees where a couple will probably commit a terrorist attack at some point? I'm not saying we should completely shut the door, but lets be honest about this.

Let's be honest about it. How many refugees in the US have committed a terrorist act? Refugees, not immigrants...

Europe is having problems with the second and third generations. The US terrorist acts have been second and third generation. You say it is isn't an act committed by an immigrant, but you completely ignore that the second and third generation can't commit a terrorist act if their parents didn't immigrate. This is why assimilation is so important, because Europe has found that even though someone is born in France that doesn't mean they put France above Syria or Afghanistan. This isn't just about the person immigrating now, but what happens generations down the line. Hopefully we will not be as fractured as Europe is now.

Again, you are confusing immigration and refugees. I never said no terrorist acts were committed by immigrants, only refugees, which is the topic de jour. Also, we are not Europe and have very different borders and history for that matter. They cannot be compared.

Certainly the USA is used to being a melting pot. But we have terrorist acts in the USA just like Europe does. Who knows how many plots the FBI and CIA have thwarted. Is a Muslim immigrant different than a Muslim refugee somehow?

I agree that 99% of Muslims aren't a problem, but the 1% creates so much havoc we can't ignore the problem.

Cliffy6745

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

NONE OF YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KILLED BY A TERRORIST!

Let's just play the odds then right? It is okay if 50 die in Orlando or 20 in San Bernardino right? Odds are it won't be me so fuck whoever does get killed right? The numbers aren't large enough to care.

How about the hundreds that died in Paris and Belgium? Are they not people, because they died. One was a big Eddie Vedder fan and could have posted here. He died. Does saying it in all CAPS make it true?

Not fuck whoever does get killed, but people want to go to the end of the world and back (Edit: or change the foundation of this country) to potentially save a few lives yet no one gives half a fuck about a whole host of other issues that will kill people and have a much bigger actual impact on our country (like heroin which mentioned yesterday, or guns). I get it, people are scared of the bogeyman. The bogeyman ain't gonna get you though.

wall232

Cliffy6745 said:

NONE OF YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KILLED BY A TERRORIST!

Pretty bold statement considering this isn't just a US message board.

I also personally know people who have been killed by terrorist acts, I stood on the piles the days after 9/11 and helped pull bodies of people who probably thought they would never be killed by a terrorist. Multiple bombs went off this weekend that could have killed people, luckily the bomb maker seems to be a bit of an idiot, luckily!

Sorry, but your statement is ridiculous.

Cliffy6745

wall232 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

NONE OF YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KILLED BY A TERRORIST!

Pretty bold statement considering this isn't just a US message board.

I also personally know people who have been killed by terrorist acts, I stood on the piles the days after 9/11 and helped pull bodies of people who probably thought they would never be killed by a terrorist. Multiple bombs went off this weekend that could have killed people, luckily the bomb maker seems to be a bit of an idiot, luckily!

Sorry, but your statement is ridiculous.

Well that is fair, but we are talking about US policy.

It's not. There are (were) other people on this board who had very close ones also die in 9/11. We're not talking about 9/11 anymore. That scale attack isn't happening in this day in age. But the chances of being killed by a terrorist are pretty similar to the chances of you winning the powerball...which also, I hate to break it to you, isn't happen.

Cliffy6745

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

unsung said:

Clinton wants to increase importation of "refugee" muslims by 500%.

These attacks will only be a more common occurance.

Refugees in quotation marks... Do you refute the fact that they are refugees?

many are useless POS...but they have probably been paid for long ago via the Clinton foundation.

Godfather.

calling some refugees......"useless POS"? I am struggling for words right now. This is one of the most offensive things I have ever seen anyone type here. And that says a lot.

There is a lot of fear, hate, and ignorance in the world.

And a surprising amount on here as well.

Namaste'

There sure is. I am not defending the "useless POS" and skittle comments. But, when you refer to "fear", there actually is something to fear here. Look at the terrorists attacks that occurred in Paris, Belgium, Nice, San Bernardino, Orlando, Minnesota, New York, New Jersey, etc....There is a legitimate reason for fear. The question is what the proper response is, but to say that there is nothing to fear is not true. Look at how terrorism has changed the world in the last 15 years. Certainly the West's response plays a role, but it has changed our lives in so many ways. If 100,000 refugees come to the USA there will be a terrorist among them, or one in the next generation. Some think that the collateral damage is fine, and others think that it is treasonous act. There is a middle ground but to say that there is nothing to fear is not true.

He didn't say there isn't anything to fear. You can be afraid if you want, but fear shouldn't drive the response, and that's what you're seeing. Also, the fear is way out of proportion to the actual threat.

So whose decision is it to sacrifice the lives of a nominal amount of USA citizens' lives in order to bring in 100,000 refugees where a couple will probably commit a terrorist attack at some point? I'm not saying we should completely shut the door, but lets be honest about this.

Let's be honest about it. How many refugees in the US have committed a terrorist act? Refugees, not immigrants...

Europe is having problems with the second and third generations. The US terrorist acts have been second and third generation. You say it is isn't an act committed by an immigrant, but you completely ignore that the second and third generation can't commit a terrorist act if their parents didn't immigrate. This is why assimilation is so important, because Europe has found that even though someone is born in France that doesn't mean they put France above Syria or Afghanistan. This isn't just about the person immigrating now, but what happens generations down the line. Hopefully we will not be as fractured as Europe is now.

Again, you are confusing immigration and refugees. I never said no terrorist acts were committed by immigrants, only refugees, which is the topic de jour. Also, we are not Europe and have very different borders and history for that matter. They cannot be compared.

Certainly the USA is used to being a melting pot. But we have terrorist acts in the USA just like Europe does. Who knows how many plots the FBI and CIA have thwarted. Is a Muslim immigrant different than a Muslim refugee somehow?

I agree that 99% of Muslims aren't a problem, but the 1% creates so much havoc we can't ignore the problem.

Yes, a Muslim immigrant is very different than a refugee. It is significantly easier to get a visa than be admitted by refugee status. Refugees are coming from war torn countries because they have no where else to go and deserve some sympathy. They are also vetted significantly more than any other person entering this country. A visa is significantly easier to get.

Before people talk about suspending refugees, it's important they understand what they are talking about.

Cliffy6745

Process for immigrants

https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/immigrate/immigrant-process.html

Process for refugees

http://www.state.gov/j/prm/ra/admissions/index.htm

eddiec

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

unsung said:

Clinton wants to increase importation of "refugee" muslims by 500%.

These attacks will only be a more common occurance.

Refugees in quotation marks... Do you refute the fact that they are refugees?

many are useless POS...but they have probably been paid for long ago via the Clinton foundation.

Godfather.

calling some refugees......"useless POS"? I am struggling for words right now. This is one of the most offensive things I have ever seen anyone type here. And that says a lot.

There is a lot of fear, hate, and ignorance in the world.

And a surprising amount on here as well.

Namaste'

There sure is. I am not defending the "useless POS" and skittle comments. But, when you refer to "fear", there actually is something to fear here. Look at the terrorists attacks that occurred in Paris, Belgium, Nice, San Bernardino, Orlando, Minnesota, New York, New Jersey, etc....There is a legitimate reason for fear. The question is what the proper response is, but to say that there is nothing to fear is not true. Look at how terrorism has changed the world in the last 15 years. Certainly the West's response plays a role, but it has changed our lives in so many ways. If 100,000 refugees come to the USA there will be a terrorist among them, or one in the next generation. Some think that the collateral damage is fine, and others think that it is treasonous act. There is a middle ground but to say that there is nothing to fear is not true.

He didn't say there isn't anything to fear. You can be afraid if you want, but fear shouldn't drive the response, and that's what you're seeing. Also, the fear is way out of proportion to the actual threat.

So whose decision is it to sacrifice the lives of a nominal amount of USA citizens' lives in order to bring in 100,000 refugees where a couple will probably commit a terrorist attack at some point? I'm not saying we should completely shut the door, but lets be honest about this.

Let's be honest about it. How many refugees in the US have committed a terrorist act? Refugees, not immigrants...

Europe is having problems with the second and third generations. The US terrorist acts have been second and third generation. You say it is isn't an act committed by an immigrant, but you completely ignore that the second and third generation can't commit a terrorist act if their parents didn't immigrate. This is why assimilation is so important, because Europe has found that even though someone is born in France that doesn't mean they put France above Syria or Afghanistan. This isn't just about the person immigrating now, but what happens generations down the line. Hopefully we will not be as fractured as Europe is now.

Again, you are confusing immigration and refugees. I never said no terrorist acts were committed by immigrants, only refugees, which is the topic de jour. Also, we are not Europe and have very different borders and history for that matter. They cannot be compared.

Certainly the USA is used to being a melting pot. But we have terrorist acts in the USA just like Europe does. Who knows how many plots the FBI and CIA have thwarted. Is a Muslim immigrant different than a Muslim refugee somehow?

I agree that 99% of Muslims aren't a problem, but the 1% creates so much havoc we can't ignore the problem.

Yes, a Muslim immigrant is very different than a refugee. It is significantly easier to get a visa than be admitted by refugee status. Refugees are coming from war torn countries because they have no where else to go and deserve some sympathy. They are also vetted significantly more than any other person entering this country. A visa is significantly easier to get.

Before people talk about suspending refugees, it's important they understand what they are talking about.

I'm living in Ireland now. There are many appeals on the television by aid groups asking for donations and support of the Syrian refugees. The photos are graphic and disturbing to what is happening to innocent people. Are similar things airing on the television or is the topic too taboo?