Kaepernick

oftenreading

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

Check it out- The Young Turks, "Where are Colin Kaepernick's critics now?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcLStddiU2k

Excellent!

I am not anti Kaepernick I Am pro Kaepernick in particular for what he's doing with his money kudos. The whole NFL Now last week was kneeling & Locking arms because the SOB Trump had to run his mouth in Alabama.  Last week's league-wide protesting was all about Trump. I just don't think the anthem at these games is where you make your statements. The Anthem is where we lay down your differences for 2 minutes and honor the flag and for what it actually stands for.  The American flag does not represent oppression, never has. Operssion occurs, but it is NOT what America stands for. America is about liberty and freedom.  The Anthem is meant to honor the men and women who fought for this country so that we would not be oppressed.  Unfortunately there's still a lot of work that still needs to be done.

That is what your romanticized version of what America is.  If you're a minority that definitely isn't the case or a woman for that matter.

Heck the USA wasn't a democracy until 1920 when women were allowed to vote.

You disagree with with just about anything I say.  So whatever.

Thoughtful response. I'll add this: (1) the American flag represents oppression in many parts of the world where Americans have been oppressive, and (2) if America is about liberty and freedom, then surely it can stand a little free speech. 
 

RYME

oftenreading said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

Check it out- The Young Turks, "Where are Colin Kaepernick's critics now?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcLStddiU2k

Excellent!

I am not anti Kaepernick I Am pro Kaepernick in particular for what he's doing with his money kudos. The whole NFL Now last week was kneeling & Locking arms because the SOB Trump had to run his mouth in Alabama.  Last week's league-wide protesting was all about Trump. I just don't think the anthem at these games is where you make your statements. The Anthem is where we lay down your differences for 2 minutes and honor the flag and for what it actually stands for.  The American flag does not represent oppression, never has. Operssion occurs, but it is NOT what America stands for. America is about liberty and freedom.  The Anthem is meant to honor the men and women who fought for this country so that we would not be oppressed.  Unfortunately there's still a lot of work that still needs to be done.

That is what your romanticized version of what America is.  If you're a minority that definitely isn't the case or a woman for that matter.

Heck the USA wasn't a democracy until 1920 when women were allowed to vote.

You disagree with with just about anything I say.  So whatever.

Thoughtful response. I'll add this: (1) the American flag represents oppression in many parts of the world where Americans have been oppressive, and (2) if America is about liberty and freedom, then surely it can stand a little free speech. 
 

I have no problem with free speech.

https://youtu.be/6YYzIWTE1L4

oftenreading

RYME said:

oftenreading said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

Check it out- The Young Turks, "Where are Colin Kaepernick's critics now?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcLStddiU2k

Excellent!

I am not anti Kaepernick I Am pro Kaepernick in particular for what he's doing with his money kudos. The whole NFL Now last week was kneeling & Locking arms because the SOB Trump had to run his mouth in Alabama.  Last week's league-wide protesting was all about Trump. I just don't think the anthem at these games is where you make your statements. The Anthem is where we lay down your differences for 2 minutes and honor the flag and for what it actually stands for.  The American flag does not represent oppression, never has. Operssion occurs, but it is NOT what America stands for. America is about liberty and freedom.  The Anthem is meant to honor the men and women who fought for this country so that we would not be oppressed.  Unfortunately there's still a lot of work that still needs to be done.

That is what your romanticized version of what America is.  If you're a minority that definitely isn't the case or a woman for that matter.

Heck the USA wasn't a democracy until 1920 when women were allowed to vote.

You disagree with with just about anything I say.  So whatever.

Thoughtful response. I'll add this: (1) the American flag represents oppression in many parts of the world where Americans have been oppressive, and (2) if America is about liberty and freedom, then surely it can stand a little free speech. 
 

I have no problem with free speech.

https://youtu.be/6YYzIWTE1L4

Apparently you do, though. 

F Me In The Brain

Hoyer was an abomination again yesterday.  I wish Kaepernick had not opted out of his contract and was still the QB of the 49ers.  They have not scored a TD in 3 out of 4 games and are a total embarrassment at the QB position. 
(This is the part where non-football knowledgeable fans point out that he has completed 58% of his passes for 858 yards.  (That is on pace for 3400+ yards!)

Dogshit.  When he is restricted to throwing underneath and wheel routes because he is a QB not ready for NFL talent, this is not good enough. 
2 TDs, 4 INTs,
He has rushed 3 times in 4 games for 7 yards. 
He did take 13 sacks & fumble 1x.
He drops back, looks at shallow routes and if he cannot find anyone, he throws it away or takes a sack.
In the event he tries to air it out, he generally throws a ball that the WR has little chance at.

Sorry, Kaep haters, but this is far worse than Kaep was last year & Hoyer has better coaching, better WR, better TE, and a better Defense out there.  OL remains to be seen, I would say about the same.


 

Kat

Fox Sports: We Will No Longer Air National Anthem Before NFL Games

“...however, our cameras are always rolling...”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-sports-national-anthem-nfl-games_us_59d1a81de4b05f005d35122c

Your thoughts? 

F Me In The Brain

If you don't show the silent protests, the issues being protested will no longer be issues.
Makes perfect sense to me, surprised they didn't do that this weekend.
Kind of a brilliant move (again) by Trump.  Distract from the issue, make it go away.
Sheesh. 

RYME

oftenreading said:

RYME said:

oftenreading said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

Check it out- The Young Turks, "Where are Colin Kaepernick's critics now?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcLStddiU2k

Excellent!

I am not anti Kaepernick I Am pro Kaepernick in particular for what he's doing with his money kudos. The whole NFL Now last week was kneeling & Locking arms because the SOB Trump had to run his mouth in Alabama.  Last week's league-wide protesting was all about Trump. I just don't think the anthem at these games is where you make your statements. The Anthem is where we lay down your differences for 2 minutes and honor the flag and for what it actually stands for.  The American flag does not represent oppression, never has. Operssion occurs, but it is NOT what America stands for. America is about liberty and freedom.  The Anthem is meant to honor the men and women who fought for this country so that we would not be oppressed.  Unfortunately there's still a lot of work that still needs to be done.

That is what your romanticized version of what America is.  If you're a minority that definitely isn't the case or a woman for that matter.

Heck the USA wasn't a democracy until 1920 when women were allowed to vote.

You disagree with with just about anything I say.  So whatever.

Thoughtful response. I'll add this: (1) the American flag represents oppression in many parts of the world where Americans have been oppressive, and (2) if America is about liberty and freedom, then surely it can stand a little free speech. 
 

I have no problem with free speech.

https://youtu.be/6YYzIWTE1L4

Apparently you do, though. 

I have no problem with free speech.

https://youtu.be/6YYzIWTE1L4

Apparently you do, though. 

No I do not have a problem with free speech. And in terms of thoughtfulness go back and read the poem that I posted by Chris Isaacs about Michael Bia.
If some football player decided to run around the field waving a Confederate flag during the national anthem, wearing Confederate socks, how would that go over? It would be a stupid ass terrible thing to do and I would totally condemn it. But would you still apply your same Free Speech argument?  Or do we have to take etiquette into consideration?

F Me In The Brain

They pretended concussions were not an issue for a long time as well.
All part of the program!

F Me In The Brain

RYME said:

oftenreading said:

RYME said:

oftenreading said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

brianlux said:

Check it out- The Young Turks, "Where are Colin Kaepernick's critics now?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcLStddiU2k

Excellent!

I am not anti Kaepernick I Am pro Kaepernick in particular for what he's doing with his money kudos. The whole NFL Now last week was kneeling & Locking arms because the SOB Trump had to run his mouth in Alabama.  Last week's league-wide protesting was all about Trump. I just don't think the anthem at these games is where you make your statements. The Anthem is where we lay down your differences for 2 minutes and honor the flag and for what it actually stands for.  The American flag does not represent oppression, never has. Operssion occurs, but it is NOT what America stands for. America is about liberty and freedom.  The Anthem is meant to honor the men and women who fought for this country so that we would not be oppressed.  Unfortunately there's still a lot of work that still needs to be done.

That is what your romanticized version of what America is.  If you're a minority that definitely isn't the case or a woman for that matter.

Heck the USA wasn't a democracy until 1920 when women were allowed to vote.

You disagree with with just about anything I say.  So whatever.

Thoughtful response. I'll add this: (1) the American flag represents oppression in many parts of the world where Americans have been oppressive, and (2) if America is about liberty and freedom, then surely it can stand a little free speech. 
 

I have no problem with free speech.

https://youtu.be/6YYzIWTE1L4

Apparently you do, though. 

I have no problem with free speech.

https://youtu.be/6YYzIWTE1L4

Apparently you do, though. 

No I do not have a problem with free speech. And in terms of thoughtfulness go back and read the poem that I posted by Chris Isaacs about Michael Bia.
If some football player decided to run around the field waving a Confederate flag during the national anthem, wearing Confederate socks, how would that go over? It would be a stupid ass terrible thing to do and I would totally condemn it. But would you still apply your same Free Speech argument?  Or do we have to take etiquette into consideration?

If you are comparing that scenario (I agree with you that people would bug out) to Kaepernick sitting and then kneeling, I think it is not a very good comparison.  I get your point but think your scenarios are apples and oranges.  If Kaepernick ran around and was waving some alternative flag while the anthem was being performed that might match up. 

RYME

Fair enough

pjhawks

Kat said:

Fox Sports: We Will No Longer Air National Anthem Before NFL Games

“...however, our cameras are always rolling...”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-sports-national-anthem-nfl-games_us_59d1a81de4b05f005d35122c

Your thoughts? 

tough call.  from a TV perspective if you are losing viewers because of the protest and showing the Anthem and protests then it's hard to argue against them moving away from it.  If you think they are doing it purely to silence the message then i would agree not showing it would be wrong.  Being they are Fox my sense would tell me they are probably doing it to silence the message.

HughFreakingDillon

well if Fox won't air it, then Trump will have nothing to tweet about except rocket man and his incredible leadership and how Puerto Rico is thriving again. 

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

"Personally, I find it a little peculiar that we have to play the national anthem before any sporting event. All it really shows is how insecure we are as a nation that we have to display our love of country in this obsessive manner. Same with congressmen and their stupid flag lapel pins, or the flag in front of Denny’s chain restaurants. Are eaters of the “lumberjack slam” so disoriented when they leave the place that they need to be reminded what country they’re in? “Oh, look hon, were in the USA after all….”

-James Howard Kunstler

I personally always feel like people singing the anthem before games is mostly just a way for the crowd to kind of feel connected as a group, like sharing a moment that we can all participate in, and I've always appreciated that aspect of it. I have no problem with the anthem being sung, but only because it's fun and makes a large crowd feel closer to one another. Thousands of people singing together is a positive thing. A social benefit, not anything really connected to extreme nationalism ... but again, I'm speaking from a Canadian point of view. I gather that it is much more about flag waving nationalism in the US.

eddiec

Kat said:

Fox Sports: We Will No Longer Air National Anthem Before NFL Games

“...however, our cameras are always rolling...”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-sports-national-anthem-nfl-games_us_59d1a81de4b05f005d35122c

Your thoughts? 

I like it. Hopefully they will stop airing the military infomercial that takes place at the beginning of games as well.

HughFreakingDillon

eddiec said:

Kat said:

Fox Sports: We Will No Longer Air National Anthem Before NFL Games

“...however, our cameras are always rolling...”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-sports-national-anthem-nfl-games_us_59d1a81de4b05f005d35122c

Your thoughts? 

I like it. Hopefully they will stop airing the military infomercial that takes place at the beginning of games as well.

NOT. A. CHANCE. 

CM189191

can we get rid of god bless america during the 7th inning stretch as well?  that didn't used to be a thing until recently,either

pjhawks

CM189191 said:

can we get rid of god bless america during the 7th inning stretch as well?  that didn't used to be a thing until recently,either

that started after 9/11 and I believe, other than special days like July 4th, only the Yankees still do it every game.  I believe they have everyone do it during the playoffs as well.

CM189191

pjhawks said:

CM189191 said:

can we get rid of god bless america during the 7th inning stretch as well?  that didn't used to be a thing until recently,either

that started after 9/11 and I believe, other than special days like July 4th, only the Yankees still do it every game.  I believe they have everyone do it during the playoffs as well.

they do it at every game I've been to recently.  Yankees must be the only ones who televise it?

OnWis97

pjhawks said:

CM189191 said:

can we get rid of god bless america during the 7th inning stretch as well?  that didn't used to be a thing until recently,either

that started after 9/11 and I believe, other than special days like July 4th, only the Yankees still do it every game.  I believe they have everyone do it during the playoffs as well.

I think most teams do it on Sundays.  The Twins do.

PJ_Soul

The military must be concerned. American sporting events are probably their greatest propaganda vehicles after actual war. I wonder how they're going to compensate?