The only decent solution I see is if the band demands a ticketless system that requires you to scan your credit card for entry and show ID, only allowing the people who bought the tickets to get in.
Been saying this for over a decade now. I know venues and TM have their own rules since they make money off resale, but I would think bands of this caliber can dictate some rules. U2 does it for their floor tickets. NIN has done it. I can't believe that PJ hasn't done this for at least 10C tix and these special shows. With the lottery system & GA, it's so easy for scalpers to get in on the ticket allotment. Sucks for us.
Been saying this for over a decade now. I know venues and TM have their own rules since they make money off resale, but I would think bands of this caliber can dictate some rules. U2 does it for their floor tickets. NIN has done it. I can't believe that PJ hasn't done this for at least 10C tix and these special shows. With the lottery system & GA, it's so easy for scalpers to get in on the ticket allotment. Sucks for us.
Doesn't solve the problem, but even scalpers agree it would slow them down.....
"It slows people down, definitely. But because these tickets are so valuable, a [broker] will say to his wife, "Let's go up to Jersey for Springsteen. I've got these idiot customers that paid $1,200 apiece. We'll walk in with them, then we'll leave. I'll take you to dinner." It's more trouble, it's more money, but to a certain extent it can't be stopped."
I can't believe that anybody actually attempts to buy tickets directly through TM. That whole setup is the biggest POS deal ever. It was bad enough 20+ years ago when you had to call in to the local TM outlet and all you were battling was the thousands of local fans trying to get through on the 10 phone lines they had. Now that you go through their computer system and you are battling actual fans (potentially) nationwide on top of those scumfuck brokers and their phonebots, it's the ultimate stacked deck. Especially after reading the article that was linked on here a few months back inwhich the former CEO of TM spelled it out how by the time that tickets are "released to the public" there are probably only 10-15% left of what the house capacity is. Such a fucking scam. As pissed as so many people are about the prices that get charged on the secondary market, I have come to realize that more often than not if I really want to see a high demand show my first stop is a web site that rhymes with Schmub Shlub.
i don't even try anymore. it's a wasted effort. if i really want to go to a show i'll find a ticket on that other site. as i get older i'd rather pay more for a quality seat anyway.
Yup
Ouch. Well, this is definitely confirmation that the problem will just get worse and worse, since the solution for many is the very cause of the problem. (it's not a wasted effort unless no one is getting tix for any shows from TM, which isn't the case).
You seem to imply that I'm part of the problem. It's born out of frustration of the system. Don't blame me or judge me. This is why I skip your posts 99% of the time
Well that's hurtful. I didn't judge you, but you sure did just judge me. No idea why anyone took what I said personally, unless you feel bad about doing it. Are any of you denying that people turning to scalpers because TM is rendered useless by scalpers aggravates this whole problem in a cyclical way? That is what I am saying. You all know that's true.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I can't believe that anybody actually attempts to buy tickets directly through TM. That whole setup is the biggest POS deal ever. It was bad enough 20+ years ago when you had to call in to the local TM outlet and all you were battling was the thousands of local fans trying to get through on the 10 phone lines they had. Now that you go through their computer system and you are battling actual fans (potentially) nationwide on top of those scumfuck brokers and their phonebots, it's the ultimate stacked deck. Especially after reading the article that was linked on here a few months back inwhich the former CEO of TM spelled it out how by the time that tickets are "released to the public" there are probably only 10-15% left of what the house capacity is. Such a fucking scam. As pissed as so many people are about the prices that get charged on the secondary market, I have come to realize that more often than not if I really want to see a high demand show my first stop is a web site that rhymes with Schmub Shlub.
i don't even try anymore. it's a wasted effort. if i really want to go to a show i'll find a ticket on that other site. as i get older i'd rather pay more for a quality seat anyway.
Yup
Ouch. Well, this is definitely confirmation that the problem will just get worse and worse, since the solution for many is the very cause of the problem. (it's not a wasted effort unless no one is getting tix for any shows from TM, which isn't the case).
You seem to imply that I'm part of the problem. It's born out of frustration of the system. Don't blame me or judge me. This is why I skip your posts 99% of the time
Well that's hurtful. I didn't judge you, but you sure did just judge me. No idea why anyone took what I said personally, unless you feel bad about doing it. Are any of you denying that people turning to scalpers because TM is rendered useless by scalpers aggravates this whole problem in a cyclical way? That is what I am saying. You all know that's true.
What's everyone's opinion of the folks here who purchased the tickets, with having NO intentions of going to the show? They just purchased them, with the hope of trading for Wrigley or Fenway.
What's everyone's opinion of the folks here who purchased the tickets, with having NO intentions of going to the show? They just purchased them, with the hope of trading for Wrigley or Fenway.
No better than scalpers.
All is fair in love, war, and Pearl Jam tickets. I guess. Hoarding tickets, for shows you have no intentions of going to, to use as trade bait, doesn't seem to be a problem with a majority of the folks here? Ok, but I don't want to hear about scalpers and flippers then. Because all the scenarios(flipping, scalping, hoarding), all seem somewhat devious to me.
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
What's everyone's opinion of the folks here who purchased the tickets, with having NO intentions of going to the show? They just purchased them, with the hope of trading for Wrigley or Fenway.
Not a big fan of that practice. I hate to say this, but I hope they get stuck with them (except they will be able to sell them because of the demand).
October 1, 1996 ... Marine Midland Arena, Buffalo-NY (USA)
October 12, 2013 ... First Niagara Center, Buffalo-NY (USA)
May 2, 2016 ... Madison Square Garden, New York-NY (USA)
May 8, 2016 ... Canadian Tire Centre, Ottawa-Ontario (Canada)
May 10, 2016 ... Air Canada Centre, Toronto-Ontario (Canada)
May 12, 2016 ... Air Canada Centre, Toronto-Ontario (Canada)
August 5, 2016 ... Fenway Park, Boston-Mass. (USA)
August 7, 2016 ... Fenway Park, Boston-Mass. (USA)
November 7, 2016 ... TOTD, Madison Square Garden, New York-NY (USA) September 2, 2018 ... Fenway Park, Boston-Mass. (USA)
What's everyone's opinion of the folks here who purchased the tickets, with having NO intentions of going to the show? They just purchased them, with the hope of trading for Wrigley or Fenway.
No better than scalpers.
All is fair in love, war, and Pearl Jam tickets. I guess. Hoarding tickets, for shows you have no intentions of going to, to use as trade bait, doesn't seem to be a problem with a majority of the folks here? Ok, but I don't want to hear about scalpers and flippers then. Because all the scenarios(flipping, scalping, hoarding), all seem somewhat devious to me.
I have a problem with it. It makes the whole problem worse for sure (again that whole cyclical thing). I understand how people kind of feel railroaded into turning to scalpers (i wouldn't do it), but buying fanclub tix for trade bait kind of steps it up a notch, you know? Adds yet another layer of difficulty to the whole thing.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What's everyone's opinion of the folks here who purchased the tickets, with having NO intentions of going to the show? They just purchased them, with the hope of trading for Wrigley or Fenway.
No better than scalpers.
All is fair in love, war, and Pearl Jam tickets. I guess. Hoarding tickets, for shows you have no intentions of going to, to use as trade bait, doesn't seem to be a problem with a majority of the folks here? Ok, but I don't want to hear about scalpers and flippers then. Because all the scenarios(flipping, scalping, hoarding), all seem somewhat devious to me.
I have a problem with it. It makes the whole problem worse for sure (again that whole cyclical thing). I understand how people kind of feel railroaded into turning to scalpers (i wouldn't do it), but buying fanclub tix for trade bait kind of steps it up a notch, you know? Adds yet another layer of difficulty to the whole thing.
Totally agree. I also love seeing all the crazy ass trades on here. Will trade: two totd tix for wrigley ga. Wtf?!
i hear anyone can purchase this bot software thing for around 1000 american. always assumed it was more complicated than that. no wonder theres bots everywhere. i know what i want for christmas.... if you cant beat em, join em.
i hear anyone can purchase this bot software thing for around 1000 american. always assumed it was more complicated than that. no wonder theres bots everywhere. i know what i want for christmas.... if you cant beat em, join em.
Now the bots are battling it out "Battle Bots".....
So are the additions of shows in San Fran, Philly and Seattle basically a done deal a while ago but they don't announce so that the fan clubs don't get any allocations? I.e., the band and promoters agree to it ahead of time?
They needed promotors? I bet hey could have done 2 Ten Club / SG Fan Club only shows at Settle, SF & Philly and sold them out easily.
"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
"If you go wait in the merchandise line for 8 hours, getting me posters, stickers, etc., while I enjoy myself visiting the city, eating at a nice restaurant, and making friends at the pre-parties.....I will give you a ticket to the show"
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
"If you go wait in the merchandise line for 8 hours, getting me posters, stickers, etc., while I enjoy myself visiting the city, eating at a nice restaurant, and making friends at the pre-parties.....I will give you a ticket to the show"
it takes 4-6 hours to get merchandise. fine 8. i personally have 120 hours in these cities. i'll be in a line from 8 am to early afternoon. big fucking deal. that leaves me 112 or so hours to do all the things you described. i'll send you the 1000+ photos and videos i get of these cities, i'll review all the sensational food i eat, im already meeting way too many people as it is, but im sure will meet many more groovy souls as always. the suggestion that waiting out a morning to get a bunch of shit prevents you from enjoying the city, the show, the action, people, freedom just sounds bitter.
Been saying this for over a decade now. I know venues and TM have their own rules since they make money off resale, but I would think bands of this caliber can dictate some rules. U2 does it for their floor tickets. NIN has done it. I can't believe that PJ hasn't done this for at least 10C tix and these special shows. With the lottery system & GA, it's so easy for scalpers to get in on the ticket allotment. Sucks for us.
U2 only does it with the fan club purchased tickets. When I saw u2 last year.. only the fan club members had to go paperless. non fan club tickets were done old school.
I agree though. Paperless tickets seems to completely combat scalping. Paperless and no ability to transfer means the purchaser has to go in. I think out of the hundreds of concert's I've been too, there were 3 I couldn't attend. I'd gladly eat 3 pairs of tickets over 20 years to see non-transferrable paperless tickets used.
They needed promotors? I bet hey could have done 2 Ten Club / SG Fan Club only shows at Settle, SF & Philly and sold them out easily.
Sort of. People forget that the promoters usually deal with everything, so all the band has to do is have their crew setup and play. That's why the '95 tour was so hard on the band. By forgoing TM venues and promoters they had to do everything themselves. Find the venues, handle the ticketing, hire security, staff the venue... all the bs logisitcal stuff you need to run concerts.
The guys are in their 50s.... I think they just want to play. Thus you let someone else work out the logistics.
i hear anyone can purchase this bot software thing for around 1000 american. always assumed it was more complicated than that. no wonder theres bots everywhere. i know what i want for christmas.... if you cant beat em, join em.
"If you go wait in the merchandise line for 8 hours, getting me posters, stickers, etc., while I enjoy myself visiting the city, eating at a nice restaurant, and making friends at the pre-parties.....I will give you a ticket to the show"
it takes 4-6 hours to get merchandise. fine 8. i personally have 120 hours in these cities. i'll be in a line from 8 am to early afternoon. big fucking deal. that leaves me 112 or so hours to do all the things you described. i'll send you the 1000+ photos and videos i get of these cities, i'll review all the sensational food i eat, im already meeting way too many people as it is, but im sure will meet many more groovy souls as always. the suggestion that waiting out a morning to get a bunch of shit prevents you from enjoying the city, the show, the action, people, freedom just sounds bitter.
Spoken like a true Flipper.
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i vote never paperless.... i want my traditional hard ticket until the day i die.
I value my ticket stub collection, and you're right the stub they give you with paperless tickets is really bad. Luckily at the u2 show I went to non fan club members had paper tickets, so I grabbed one off the floor.
Maybe they could modify paperless tickets, so it prints you out a real ticket, instead of a crappy looking ticket when you enter the venue? Personally I want to both combat scalping and have a real ticket to put in my collection.
i vote never paperless.... i want my traditional hard ticket until the day i die.
I value my ticket stub collection, and you're right the stub they give you with paperless tickets is really bad. Luckily at the u2 show I went to non fan club members had paper tickets, so I grabbed one off the floor.
Maybe they could modify paperless tickets, so it prints you out a real ticket, instead of a crappy looking ticket when you enter the venue? Personally I want to both combat scalping and have a real ticket to put in my collection.
I'm shocked there is not a "collectible ticket stub" option from Ticketmaster that gives you a barcode-less souvenir (does not actually let you in). They'd be able to charge $10+ and I'd still buy it because I keep ticket stubs.
i hear anyone can purchase this bot software thing for around 1000 american. always assumed it was more complicated than that. no wonder theres bots everywhere. i know what i want for christmas.... if you cant beat em, join em.
"If you go wait in the merchandise line for 8 hours, getting me posters, stickers, etc., while I enjoy myself visiting the city, eating at a nice restaurant, and making friends at the pre-parties.....I will give you a ticket to the show"
it takes 4-6 hours to get merchandise. fine 8. i personally have 120 hours in these cities. i'll be in a line from 8 am to early afternoon. big fucking deal. that leaves me 112 or so hours to do all the things you described. i'll send you the 1000+ photos and videos i get of these cities, i'll review all the sensational food i eat, im already meeting way too many people as it is, but im sure will meet many more groovy souls as always. the suggestion that waiting out a morning to get a bunch of shit prevents you from enjoying the city, the show, the action, people, freedom just sounds bitter.
Spoken like a true Flipper.
hahahaha...spoken like someone who needs a glass of warm milk before bedtime, eh?
what did i flip again? remind me. never flipped a single item in my life. coming from the guy that tried to rip people off on here in 2013 with loaded ticket deals for, seattle was it? refresh my memory? gets reprimanded, and turns into The Self Proclaimed Forum Mountie. classic shit. you set that price yet on your extra tmr copy PoPo? oh ya, its for your friend. ha. just like i told you in october, call me. you got the number, eh...
i vote never paperless.... i want my traditional hard ticket until the day i die.
I value my ticket stub collection, and you're right the stub they give you with paperless tickets is really bad. Luckily at the u2 show I went to non fan club members had paper tickets, so I grabbed one off the floor.
Maybe they could modify paperless tickets, so it prints you out a real ticket, instead of a crappy looking ticket when you enter the venue? Personally I want to both combat scalping and have a real ticket to put in my collection.
I'm shocked there is not a "collectible ticket stub" option from Ticketmaster that gives you a barcode-less souvenir (does not actually let you in). They'd be able to charge $10+ and I'd still buy it because I keep ticket stubs.
You can go to the box office the day of and ask them to print you a real stub in exchange for your e/print at home ticket
i vote never paperless.... i want my traditional hard ticket until the day i die.
I value my ticket stub collection, and you're right the stub they give you with paperless tickets is really bad. Luckily at the u2 show I went to non fan club members had paper tickets, so I grabbed one off the floor.
Maybe they could modify paperless tickets, so it prints you out a real ticket, instead of a crappy looking ticket when you enter the venue? Personally I want to both combat scalping and have a real ticket to put in my collection.
I'm shocked there is not a "collectible ticket stub" option from Ticketmaster that gives you a barcode-less souvenir (does not actually let you in). They'd be able to charge $10+ and I'd still buy it because I keep ticket stubs.
You can go to the box office the day of and ask them to print you a real stub in exchange for your e/print at home ticket
U2 only does it with the fan club purchased tickets. When I saw u2 last year.. only the fan club members had to go paperless. non fan club tickets were done old school.
The entire floor was credit card entry only. Buyer and guest had to enter together. I've never been in the fan club and saw them twice at the UC last year, both on the floor.
Also, I'm so tired of the "I want my ticket stub" argument. You can still have actual tickets, it just means you have to walk right in after you pick them up. NIN did it for the Wave Goodbye tour. They had beautiful custom tickets with the buyer's name and embossed logo that people here would probably trade their 401ks or first-borns for but you had to walk right in. And even if they didnt offer actual physical ticket stubs, you'd rather not get in at all than no have get a ticket stub? Ridiculous.
Is there no venue in the USA where the 10club or any organization can secure 100% of seats to host a concert?
It really does suck that the last show of the tour was pretty much dumped up on Ticketmaster for the taking. Would of been great if there were some 10club / Chris Cornell or Soundgarden Fan Club tickets offered at least.
i hear anyone can purchase this bot software thing for around 1000 american. always assumed it was more complicated than that. no wonder theres bots everywhere. i know what i want for christmas.... if you cant beat em, join em.
"If you go wait in the merchandise line for 8 hours, getting me posters, stickers, etc., while I enjoy myself visiting the city, eating at a nice restaurant, and making friends at the pre-parties.....I will give you a ticket to the show"
it takes 4-6 hours to get merchandise. fine 8. i personally have 120 hours in these cities. i'll be in a line from 8 am to early afternoon. big fucking deal. that leaves me 112 or so hours to do all the things you described. i'll send you the 1000+ photos and videos i get of these cities, i'll review all the sensational food i eat, im already meeting way too many people as it is, but im sure will meet many more groovy souls as always. the suggestion that waiting out a morning to get a bunch of shit prevents you from enjoying the city, the show, the action, people, freedom just sounds bitter.
Spoken like a true Flipper.
hahahaha...spoken like someone who needs a glass of warm milk before bedtime, eh?
what did i flip again? remind me. never flipped a single item in my life. coming from the guy that tried to rip people off on here in 2013 with loaded ticket deals for, seattle was it? refresh my memory? gets reprimanded, and turns into The Self Proclaimed Forum Mountie. classic shit. you set that price yet on your extra tmr copy PoPo? oh ya, its for your friend. ha. just like i told you in october, call me. you got the number, eh...
Lol, another internet tough guy.
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No idea why anyone took what I said personally, unless you feel bad about doing it. Are any of you denying that people turning to scalpers because TM is rendered useless by scalpers aggravates this whole problem in a cyclical way? That is what I am saying. You all know that's true.
Hoarding tickets, for shows you have no intentions of going to, to use as trade bait, doesn't seem to be a problem with a majority of the folks here? Ok, but I don't want to hear about scalpers and flippers then. Because all the scenarios(flipping, scalping, hoarding), all seem somewhat devious to me.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
October 12, 2013 ... First Niagara Center, Buffalo-NY (USA)
May 2, 2016 ... Madison Square Garden, New York-NY (USA)
May 8, 2016 ... Canadian Tire Centre, Ottawa-Ontario (Canada)
May 10, 2016 ... Air Canada Centre, Toronto-Ontario (Canada)
May 12, 2016 ... Air Canada Centre, Toronto-Ontario (Canada)
August 5, 2016 ... Fenway Park, Boston-Mass. (USA)
August 7, 2016 ... Fenway Park, Boston-Mass. (USA)
November 7, 2016 ... TOTD, Madison Square Garden, New York-NY (USA)
September 2, 2018 ... Fenway Park, Boston-Mass. (USA)
San Diego & LA 2X, PHX, MSG, Camden, Nashville, 50th SHOW STL 22, CHI(n2), INDY, FTW(n2), Austin 2X 23......
"If you go wait in the merchandise line for 8 hours, getting me posters, stickers, etc., while I enjoy myself visiting the city, eating at a nice restaurant, and making friends at the pre-parties.....I will give you a ticket to the show"
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I agree though. Paperless tickets seems to completely combat scalping. Paperless and no ability to transfer means the purchaser has to go in. I think out of the hundreds of concert's I've been too, there were 3 I couldn't attend. I'd gladly eat 3 pairs of tickets over 20 years to see non-transferrable paperless tickets used.
The guys are in their 50s.... I think they just want to play. Thus you let someone else work out the logistics.
Cincinnati 2014
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Columbia 2016
Maybe they could modify paperless tickets, so it prints you out a real ticket, instead of a crappy looking ticket when you enter the venue? Personally I want to both combat scalping and have a real ticket to put in my collection.
what did i flip again? remind me. never flipped a single item in my life. coming from the guy that tried to rip people off on here in 2013 with loaded ticket deals for, seattle was it? refresh my memory? gets reprimanded, and turns into The Self Proclaimed Forum Mountie. classic shit. you set that price yet on your extra tmr copy PoPo? oh ya, its for your friend. ha. just like i told you in october, call me. you got the number, eh...
Also, I'm so tired of the "I want my ticket stub" argument. You can still have actual tickets, it just means you have to walk right in after you pick them up. NIN did it for the Wave Goodbye tour. They had beautiful custom tickets with the buyer's name and embossed logo that people here would probably trade their 401ks or first-borns for but you had to walk right in. And even if they didnt offer actual physical ticket stubs, you'd rather not get in at all than no have get a ticket stub? Ridiculous.
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It really does suck that the last show of the tour was pretty much dumped up on Ticketmaster for the taking. Would of been great if there were some 10club / Chris Cornell or Soundgarden Fan Club tickets offered at least.
Seriously though, how rigged is the industry if bands of this level can't control ticket distribution? Completely out of hand.
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