TOTD Ticketmaster Tix... What a joke

riley540

Ticketmaster should start not telling the time or date they go on sale.

pjhawks

PJ_Soul said:

pledgeagrievance said:

pjhawks said:

AceCool said:

I can't believe that anybody actually attempts to buy tickets directly through TM. That whole setup is the biggest POS deal ever. It was bad enough 20+ years ago when you had to call in to the local TM outlet and all you were battling was the thousands of local fans trying to get through on the 10 phone lines they had. Now that you go through their computer system and you are battling actual fans (potentially) nationwide on top of those scumfuck brokers and their phonebots, it's the ultimate stacked deck.
Especially after reading the article that was linked on here a few months back inwhich the former CEO of TM spelled it out how by the time that tickets are "released to the public" there are probably only 10-15% left of what the house capacity is. Such a fucking scam. As pissed as so many people are about the prices that get charged on the secondary market, I have come to realize that more often than not if I really want to see a high demand show my first stop is a web site that rhymes with Schmub Shlub.

i don't even try anymore. it's a wasted effort. if i really want to go to a show i'll find a ticket on that other site. as i get older i'd rather pay more for a quality seat anyway.

Yup

Ouch. Well, this is definitely confirmation that the problem will just get worse and worse, since the solution for many is the very cause of the problem. (it's not a wasted effort unless no one is getting tix for any shows from TM, which isn't the case).

see i don't think it's a problem. to me it's easier today than ever before to score tickets to an event you want to go to. every event is available to the public if you/they are willing to spend the price that the market dictates. the current system mostly allows me to decide what i am willing to pay for a show and a particular seating location. and not only that i can do that from the comfort of my own home. i don't have to go to some shady character on the street corner outside the venue and hope that his tickets aren't fake. and probably 99% of the time i get better seats than i ever did back in the supposed good ole days.

edit: do you find it a problem that fan clubs sell tickets directly to fans or is that not an issue because you benefit from it? i don't think you can complain about how few tickets actually get sold to the general public while also benefiting from 10 Club tickets. you can't have it both ways.

VOLARE

hedonist said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

What's everyone's opinion of the folks here who purchased the tickets, with having NO intentions of going to the show? They just purchased them, with the hope of trading for Wrigley or Fenway.

What if they got them for friends, or friends of friends? I don't see that as any different...as in, I think it's OK. I turned into an edwho-like bot when trying earlier

And congrats, VOLARE (whoooa, as Dino would say).

Oh shit I'm going! Wife's stoked for SF. We've never been. SEA is an easier trip, but there's 3 of us now since Italy

JP218404

Pulled a pair for MSG at 12:30.

dreamweaver

To my amazement the tickets sold out instantly and simultaneously ended up on StubHub at double the cost. StubHub actually sent me an email a fews hours later, promoting the TOTD show! I'm well aware of the fact that there are "bots" or software that ticket brokers use. Here's a couple logical ways to prevent it:

-Take away the ability to post tickets the same day as general Ticketmaster sale
-Suspend StubHub accounts that post tickets minutes after general sale time, at more than let's say 50% of original price
etc. etc.

mcgrawd2

dreamweaver said:

To my amazement the tickets sold out instantly and simultaneously ended up on StubHub at double the cost. StubHub actually send me an email a fews hours later, promoting the TOTD show! I'm well aware of the fact that there are "bots" or software that ticket brokers use. Here's a couple logical ways to prevent it:

-Take away the ability to post tickets the same day as general Ticketmaster sale
-Suspend StubHub accounts that post tickets minutes after general sale time at more than a certain percentage of original price
etc. etc.

But Stub hub is a public company that has a duty to make as much money as possible. Why would they suspend accounts of people that help them do this?

kenk

While scalping used to be frowned upon and illegal in most places unless you were a licensed broker, StubHub has somehow legitimized the process and works directly with Convert Venues, promoters, agencies, and even people like MLB. Guess there was too much money to be made in the ticket resale biz to keep it looked down upon.

EdsonNascimento

You eliminate this issue by bands properly pricing their tickets up front. At least you have a chance at the lower price. If 10 people get that lower price, the process is worth it. Now you are just forced to pay what the band should have priced the tickets at in the first place. It's really simple economics. If anything you should blame the band. But, they are at least giving you a shot at the lower price. So, they are doing all they can and should.

given2fly23

kenk said:

While scalping used to be frowned upon and illegal in most places unless you were a licensed broker, StubHub has somehow legitimized the process and works directly with Convert Venues, promoters, agencies, and even people like MLB. Guess there was too much money to be made in the ticket resale biz to keep it looked down upon.

There's no "somehow" about it. They have a lobby that pressures politicians to create laws in their favor, just like any other industry that's bad for people but good for investors.

Eddieredder

The system is broken. We are still forced to use Ticketmaster. Factor in fan club seats, credit card seats, scalpers, bots, backdoor deals from promoters/venues and some bands (Not PJ) there very few seats available to the general public at the time of sale. This is a reality. It could be as low as 10% of the tickets.

However.....

For a show like this there is going to be ridiculous demand. Hypothetically speaking, lets say that 100% of the tickets were available to the public at the time of sale. Lets say there there were none of the above things going on. Lets pretend that bots didn't exist.

Seattle shows were 2800 tickets. How many people were going for those seats? A million? 500k? 200k? Do the math. You have at best a 1.4% chance of getting a ticket. In reality its much less than that considering you could buy two tickets. It doesn't make it any better....but it helps to set expectations. Chances of getting tickets were always going to be very very slim.

MSG is what 18k tickets. Maybe a 5-10% chance?

The only decent solution I see is if the band demands a ticketless system that requires you to scan your credit card for entry and show ID, only allowing the people who bought the tickets to get in. Scalpers can still get around this......it just makes it harder. The scalper reseller just walks those people in. The people in on the scam aren't going to want this, and will probably never agree to it. This leaves a limited amount of venues you can use.

The band has to require this. Louis CK seems to have got it down. Its the only way.

PS: Stubhub needs to go. Ticketmaster resale has to go. They feed the problem.

given2fly23

Eddieredder said:

The only decent solution I see is if the band demands a ticketless system that requires you to scan your credit card for entry and show ID, only allowing the people who bought the tickets to get in.

Been saying this for over a decade now. I know venues and TM have their own rules since they make money off resale, but I would think bands of this caliber can dictate some rules. U2 does it for their floor tickets. NIN has done it. I can't believe that PJ hasn't done this for at least 10C tix and these special shows. With the lottery system & GA, it's so easy for scalpers to get in on the ticket allotment. Sucks for us.

Eddieredder

given2fly23 said:

Eddieredder said:

Been saying this for over a decade now. I know venues and TM have their own rules since they make money off resale, but I would think bands of this caliber can dictate some rules. U2 does it for their floor tickets. NIN has done it. I can't believe that PJ hasn't done this for at least 10C tix and these special shows. With the lottery system & GA, it's so easy for scalpers to get in on the ticket allotment. Sucks for us.

Doesn't solve the problem, but even scalpers agree it would slow them down.....

"It slows people down, definitely. But because these tickets are so valuable, a [broker] will say to his wife, "Let's go up to Jersey for Springsteen. I've got these idiot customers that paid $1,200 apiece. We'll walk in with them, then we'll leave. I'll take you to dinner." It's more trouble, it's more money, but to a certain extent it can't be stopped."

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/502937/confessions-of-a-ticket-scalper-billboards-candid-qa

PJ_Soul

pledgeagrievance said:

PJ_Soul said:

pledgeagrievance said:

pjhawks said:

AceCool said:

I can't believe that anybody actually attempts to buy tickets directly through TM. That whole setup is the biggest POS deal ever. It was bad enough 20+ years ago when you had to call in to the local TM outlet and all you were battling was the thousands of local fans trying to get through on the 10 phone lines they had. Now that you go through their computer system and you are battling actual fans (potentially) nationwide on top of those scumfuck brokers and their phonebots, it's the ultimate stacked deck.
Especially after reading the article that was linked on here a few months back inwhich the former CEO of TM spelled it out how by the time that tickets are "released to the public" there are probably only 10-15% left of what the house capacity is. Such a fucking scam. As pissed as so many people are about the prices that get charged on the secondary market, I have come to realize that more often than not if I really want to see a high demand show my first stop is a web site that rhymes with Schmub Shlub.

i don't even try anymore. it's a wasted effort. if i really want to go to a show i'll find a ticket on that other site. as i get older i'd rather pay more for a quality seat anyway.

Yup

Ouch. Well, this is definitely confirmation that the problem will just get worse and worse, since the solution for many is the very cause of the problem. (it's not a wasted effort unless no one is getting tix for any shows from TM, which isn't the case).

You seem to imply that I'm part of the problem. It's born out of frustration of the system. Don't blame me or judge me. This is why I skip your posts 99% of the time

Well that's hurtful. I didn't judge you, but you sure did just judge me.
No idea why anyone took what I said personally, unless you feel bad about doing it. Are any of you denying that people turning to scalpers because TM is rendered useless by scalpers aggravates this whole problem in a cyclical way? That is what I am saying. You all know that's true.

rustneversleeps

PJ_Soul said:

pledgeagrievance said:

PJ_Soul said:

pledgeagrievance said:

pjhawks said:

AceCool said:

I can't believe that anybody actually attempts to buy tickets directly through TM. That whole setup is the biggest POS deal ever. It was bad enough 20+ years ago when you had to call in to the local TM outlet and all you were battling was the thousands of local fans trying to get through on the 10 phone lines they had. Now that you go through their computer system and you are battling actual fans (potentially) nationwide on top of those scumfuck brokers and their phonebots, it's the ultimate stacked deck.
Especially after reading the article that was linked on here a few months back inwhich the former CEO of TM spelled it out how by the time that tickets are "released to the public" there are probably only 10-15% left of what the house capacity is. Such a fucking scam. As pissed as so many people are about the prices that get charged on the secondary market, I have come to realize that more often than not if I really want to see a high demand show my first stop is a web site that rhymes with Schmub Shlub.

i don't even try anymore. it's a wasted effort. if i really want to go to a show i'll find a ticket on that other site. as i get older i'd rather pay more for a quality seat anyway.

Yup

Ouch. Well, this is definitely confirmation that the problem will just get worse and worse, since the solution for many is the very cause of the problem. (it's not a wasted effort unless no one is getting tix for any shows from TM, which isn't the case).

You seem to imply that I'm part of the problem. It's born out of frustration of the system. Don't blame me or judge me. This is why I skip your posts 99% of the time

Well that's hurtful. I didn't judge you, but you sure did just judge me.
No idea why anyone took what I said personally, unless you feel bad about doing it. Are any of you denying that people turning to scalpers because TM is rendered useless by scalpers aggravates this whole problem in a cyclical way? That is what I am saying. You all know that's true.

good grief... relentless.

bootlegger10

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

What's everyone's opinion of the folks here who purchased the tickets, with having NO intentions of going to the show? They just purchased them, with the hope of trading for Wrigley or Fenway.

No better than scalpers.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

bootlegger10 said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

What's everyone's opinion of the folks here who purchased the tickets, with having NO intentions of going to the show? They just purchased them, with the hope of trading for Wrigley or Fenway.

No better than scalpers.

All is fair in love, war, and Pearl Jam tickets. I guess.
Hoarding tickets, for shows you have no intentions of going to, to use as trade bait, doesn't seem to be a problem with a majority of the folks here? Ok, but I don't want to hear about scalpers and flippers then. Because all the scenarios(flipping, scalping, hoarding), all seem somewhat devious to me.

agentpinckney

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

What's everyone's opinion of the folks here who purchased the tickets, with having NO intentions of going to the show? They just purchased them, with the hope of trading for Wrigley or Fenway.

Not a big fan of that practice. I hate to say this, but I hope they get stuck with them (except they will be able to sell them because of the demand).

PJ_Soul

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

bootlegger10 said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

What's everyone's opinion of the folks here who purchased the tickets, with having NO intentions of going to the show? They just purchased them, with the hope of trading for Wrigley or Fenway.

No better than scalpers.

All is fair in love, war, and Pearl Jam tickets. I guess.
Hoarding tickets, for shows you have no intentions of going to, to use as trade bait, doesn't seem to be a problem with a majority of the folks here? Ok, but I don't want to hear about scalpers and flippers then. Because all the scenarios(flipping, scalping, hoarding), all seem somewhat devious to me.

I have a problem with it. It makes the whole problem worse for sure (again that whole cyclical thing). I understand how people kind of feel railroaded into turning to scalpers (i wouldn't do it), but buying fanclub tix for trade bait kind of steps it up a notch, you know? Adds yet another layer of difficulty to the whole thing.

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

bootlegger10 said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

What's everyone's opinion of the folks here who purchased the tickets, with having NO intentions of going to the show? They just purchased them, with the hope of trading for Wrigley or Fenway.

No better than scalpers.

All is fair in love, war, and Pearl Jam tickets. I guess.
Hoarding tickets, for shows you have no intentions of going to, to use as trade bait, doesn't seem to be a problem with a majority of the folks here? Ok, but I don't want to hear about scalpers and flippers then. Because all the scenarios(flipping, scalping, hoarding), all seem somewhat devious to me.

I have a problem with it. It makes the whole problem worse for sure (again that whole cyclical thing). I understand how people kind of feel railroaded into turning to scalpers (i wouldn't do it), but buying fanclub tix for trade bait kind of steps it up a notch, you know? Adds yet another layer of difficulty to the whole thing.

Totally agree. I also love seeing all the crazy ass trades on here. Will trade: two totd tix for wrigley ga. Wtf?!

rustneversleeps

i hear anyone can purchase this bot software thing for around 1000 american. always assumed it was more complicated than that. no wonder theres bots everywhere. i know what i want for christmas.... if you cant beat em, join em.