Police shooting people.....

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

EM194007 said:

Go Beavers said:

If the rate of cops killing whites was the same as cops killing blacks, then we'd have a different story, the problem is, cops kill blacks at about 3x the rate they kill whites. And maybe I made an assumption about race when you referred to the people protesting and gang violence.

More whites were shot and killed by the police then blacks last year. Where are you coming up with more blacks were shot and killed?

I didn't say more blacks were shot than whites. You're three times more likely to be shot by a cop if you're black than if you're white.

Unarmed black men are actually 7 times more likely to be killed by a cop than Unarmed white men.

wow that's a pretty insane statistic.
blacks are also 13% of the overall population but account for 40% of the total number of people in prison. craziness. Nationally, according to the U.S. Census, Blacks are incarcerated five times more than Whites are, and Hispanics are nearly twice as likely to be incarcerated as Whites.

muskydan

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

EM194007 said:

Go Beavers said:

If the rate of cops killing whites was the same as cops killing blacks, then we'd have a different story, the problem is, cops kill blacks at about 3x the rate they kill whites. And maybe I made an assumption about race when you referred to the people protesting and gang violence.

More whites were shot and killed by the police then blacks last year. Where are you coming up with more blacks were shot and killed?

I didn't say more blacks were shot than whites. You're three times more likely to be shot by a cop if you're black than if you're white.

Unarmed black men are actually 7 times more likely to be killed by a cop than Unarmed white men.

wow that's a pretty insane statistic.
blacks are also 13% of the overall population but account for 40% of the total number of people in prison. craziness. Nationally, according to the U.S. Census, Blacks are incarcerated five times more than Whites are, and Hispanics are nearly twice as likely to be incarcerated as Whites.

Just remember those stats when you want to have that REAL conversation all the politicians and "community activists" blabber about Race relations in the USA . Thank God there is the other side of the street.

rgambs

muskydan said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

EM194007 said:

Go Beavers said:

If the rate of cops killing whites was the same as cops killing blacks, then we'd have a different story, the problem is, cops kill blacks at about 3x the rate they kill whites. And maybe I made an assumption about race when you referred to the people protesting and gang violence.

More whites were shot and killed by the police then blacks last year. Where are you coming up with more blacks were shot and killed?

I didn't say more blacks were shot than whites. You're three times more likely to be shot by a cop if you're black than if you're white.

Unarmed black men are actually 7 times more likely to be killed by a cop than Unarmed white men.

wow that's a pretty insane statistic.
blacks are also 13% of the overall population but account for 40% of the total number of people in prison. craziness. Nationally, according to the U.S. Census, Blacks are incarcerated five times more than Whites are, and Hispanics are nearly twice as likely to be incarcerated as Whites.

Just remember those stats when you want to have that REAL conversation all the politicians and "community activists" blabber about Race relations in the USA . Thank God there is the other side of the street.

You are confused again, the stats relate incarceration rates, not crime rates. Big difference.

Godfather.

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

EM194007 said:

Go Beavers said:

If the rate of cops killing whites was the same as cops killing blacks, then we'd have a different story, the problem is, cops kill blacks at about 3x the rate they kill whites. And maybe I made an assumption about race when you referred to the people protesting and gang violence.

More whites were shot and killed by the police then blacks last year. Where are you coming up with more blacks were shot and killed?

I didn't say more blacks were shot than whites. You're three times more likely to be shot by a cop if you're black than if you're white.

Unarmed black men are actually 7 times more likely to be killed by a cop than Unarmed white men.

wow that's a pretty insane statistic.
blacks are also 13% of the overall population but account for 40% of the total number of people in prison. craziness. Nationally, according to the U.S. Census, Blacks are incarcerated five times more than Whites are, and Hispanics are nearly twice as likely to be incarcerated as Whites.

you can also look at that and wonder why ? are these people committing more crimes than whites ?

Godfather.

mcgruff10

To fully understand how quickly a cop has to make a decision check out this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
Nice video but there will be plenty of people here who will not see it this way and will refuse to believe this. Giving up rights blah, blah

muskydan

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

EM194007 said:

Go Beavers said:

If the rate of cops killing whites was the same as cops killing blacks, then we'd have a different story, the problem is, cops kill blacks at about 3x the rate they kill whites. And maybe I made an assumption about race when you referred to the people protesting and gang violence.

More whites were shot and killed by the police then blacks last year. Where are you coming up with more blacks were shot and killed?

I didn't say more blacks were shot than whites. You're three times more likely to be shot by a cop if you're black than if you're white.

Unarmed black men are actually 7 times more likely to be killed by a cop than Unarmed white men.

wow that's a pretty insane statistic.
blacks are also 13% of the overall population but account for 40% of the total number of people in prison. craziness. Nationally, according to the U.S. Census, Blacks are incarcerated five times more than Whites are, and Hispanics are nearly twice as likely to be incarcerated as Whites.

Just remember those stats when you want to have that REAL conversation all the politicians and "community activists" blabber about Race relations in the USA . Thank God there is the other side of the street.

You are confused again, the stats relate incarceration rates, not crime rates. Big difference.

Oh yes, I am confused as always. The mush brains of the world would really be confused if the majority of liberal judges in big cities sentenced this demografic appropriately.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mcgruff10 said:

To fully understand how quickly a cop has to make a decision check out this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

"I didn't understand how important compliance was."

Well duh.

The moment a person refuses police orders and begins resisting, nothing good can happen: you are risking your safety by placing the officer in a defensive state of mind... and defensive for their well being. If the cop establishes that you are a serious threat... it's quite natural they will be quicker to use force with their safety in mind.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

To fully understand how quickly a cop has to make a decision check out this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

"I didn't understand how important compliance was."

Well duh.

The moment a person refuses police orders and begins resisting, nothing good can happen: you are risking your safety by placing the officer in a defensive state of mind... and defensive for their well being. If the cop establishes that you are a serious threat... it's quite natural they will be quicker to use force with their safety in mind.

Well duh is right! Let s start without resisting arrest!

Bentleyspop

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

EM194007 said:

Go Beavers said:

If the rate of cops killing whites was the same as cops killing blacks, then we'd have a different story, the problem is, cops kill blacks at about 3x the rate they kill whites. And maybe I made an assumption about race when you referred to the people protesting and gang violence.

More whites were shot and killed by the police then blacks last year. Where are you coming up with more blacks were shot and killed?

I didn't say more blacks were shot than whites. You're three times more likely to be shot by a cop if you're black than if you're white.

Unarmed black men are actually 7 times more likely to be killed by a cop than Unarmed white men.

wow that's a pretty insane statistic.
blacks are also 13% of the overall population but account for 40% of the total number of people in prison. craziness. Nationally, according to the U.S. Census, Blacks are incarcerated five times more than Whites are, and Hispanics are nearly twice as likely to be incarcerated as Whites.

Just remember those stats when you want to have that REAL conversation all the politicians and "community activists" blabber about Race relations in the USA . Thank God there is the other side of the street.

You are confused again, the stats relate incarceration rates, not crime rates. Big difference.

Oh yes, I am confused as always. The mush brains of the world would really be confused if the majority of liberal judges in big cities sentenced this demografic appropriately.

There is a lot of vaguely racist (and occasionally anti-semitic) comments made on this board.

Nothing vague about the above quoted post

seanwon

There is a lot of vaguely racist (and occasionally anti-semitic) comments made on this board.

Nothing vague about the above quoted post



Yup. I though we had laws that determined how people were to be sentenced. I didn't realize we should should treat different "demografics" differently.

i_lov_it

Hey they have Guns...and more importantly a Badge...so yeah they can Shoot people.

muskydan

Bentleyspop said:

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

EM194007 said:

Go Beavers said:

If the rate of cops killing whites was the same as cops killing blacks, then we'd have a different story, the problem is, cops kill blacks at about 3x the rate they kill whites. And maybe I made an assumption about race when you referred to the people protesting and gang violence.

More whites were shot and killed by the police then blacks last year. Where are you coming up with more blacks were shot and killed?

I didn't say more blacks were shot than whites. You're three times more likely to be shot by a cop if you're black than if you're white.

Unarmed black men are actually 7 times more likely to be killed by a cop than Unarmed white men.

wow that's a pretty insane statistic.
blacks are also 13% of the overall population but account for 40% of the total number of people in prison. craziness. Nationally, according to the U.S. Census, Blacks are incarcerated five times more than Whites are, and Hispanics are nearly twice as likely to be incarcerated as Whites.

Just remember those stats when you want to have that REAL conversation all the politicians and "community activists" blabber about Race relations in the USA . Thank God there is the other side of the street.

You are confused again, the stats relate incarceration rates, not crime rates. Big difference.

Oh yes, I am confused as always. The mush brains of the world would really be confused if the majority of liberal judges in big cities sentenced this demografic appropriately.

There is a lot of vaguely racist (and occasionally anti-semitic) comments made on this board.

Nothing vague about the above quoted post

Confusing Racism w/ Realism I see...
In my Confused Libby town offenders do roughly between 25-35% of their sentence. The county used to blame budgetary reasons, but the big one now is to push "black and brown" people out since they are disproportionately being incarcerated. Ask The County Comish Toni Preckwickle...it's her mission.

If you WAna do some research look up black on black homcides. You will find a vast majority of the offenders are on parole, many for UUW...unlawful use of weapon. Many shooting/homocides in my town would not happen if the bleeding heart judges charged these offenders accordingly and make them do atleast 90% of their bit like they do in the federal system...but what the fuck do I know??

PJfanwillneverleave1

Bentleyspop said:

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

EM194007 said:

Go Beavers said:

If the rate of cops killing whites was the same as cops killing blacks, then we'd have a different story, the problem is, cops kill blacks at about 3x the rate they kill whites. And maybe I made an assumption about race when you referred to the people protesting and gang violence.

More whites were shot and killed by the police then blacks last year. Where are you coming up with more blacks were shot and killed?

I didn't say more blacks were shot than whites. You're three times more likely to be shot by a cop if you're black than if you're white.

Unarmed black men are actually 7 times more likely to be killed by a cop than Unarmed white men.

wow that's a pretty insane statistic.
blacks are also 13% of the overall population but account for 40% of the total number of people in prison. craziness. Nationally, according to the U.S. Census, Blacks are incarcerated five times more than Whites are, and Hispanics are nearly twice as likely to be incarcerated as Whites.

Just remember those stats when you want to have that REAL conversation all the politicians and "community activists" blabber about Race relations in the USA . Thank God there is the other side of the street.

You are confused again, the stats relate incarceration rates, not crime rates. Big difference.

Oh yes, I am confused as always. The mush brains of the world would really be confused if the majority of liberal judges in big cities sentenced this demografic appropriately.

There is a lot of vaguely racist (and occasionally anti-semitic) comments made on this board.

Nothing vague about the above quoted post

http://time.com/4400259/rudy-giuliani-black-lives-matter/
So is the famed ex NY Mayor Giuliani wrong or right in calling out the BLM movement as racist?
I'm confused. It seems that everyone is a racist.

A black will die 1% or less at the hands of the police and 99% of the hands of a civilian, most often another black"

“When you say black lives matter, that’s inherently racist,” he later added. “Black lives matter. White lives matter. Asian lives matter. Hispanic lives matter. That’s anti-American and it’s racist.”

seanwon

.

seanwon

muskydan said:

Confusing Racism w/ Realism I see...
In my Confused Libby town offenders do roughly between 25-35% of their sentence. The county used to blame budgetary reasons, but the big one now is to push "black and brown" people out since they are disproportionately being incarcerated. Ask The County Comish Toni Preckwickle...it's her mission.

If you WAna do some research look up black on black homcides. You will find a vast majority of the offenders are on parole, many for UUW...unlawful use of weapon. Many shooting/homocides in my town would not happen if the bleeding heart judges charged these offenders accordingly and make them do atleast 90% of their bit like they do in the federal system...but what the fuck do I know??

Everything wrong in the world is the fault of Liberals, right? If we could just get rid of Liberals there would be no crime, laws broken, violence, etc. The world would be peachy keen!

Bentleyspop

seanwon said:

muskydan said:

Confusing Racism w/ Realism I see...
In my Confused Libby town offenders do roughly between 25-35% of their sentence. The county used to blame budgetary reasons, but the big one now is to push "black and brown" people out since they are disproportionately being incarcerated. Ask The County Comish Toni Preckwickle...it's her mission.

If you WAna do some research look up black on black homcides. You will find a vast majority of the offenders are on parole, many for UUW...unlawful use of weapon. Many shooting/homocides in my town would not happen if the bleeding heart judges charged these offenders accordingly and make them do atleast 90% of their bit like they do in the federal system...but what the fuck do I know??

Everything wrong in the world is the fault of Liberals, right? If we could just get rid of Liberals there would be no crime, laws broken, violence, etc. The world would be peachy keen!

Well d'uh
Liberals and the "demografics:

PJfanwillneverleave1

Bentleyspop said:

seanwon said:

muskydan said:

Confusing Racism w/ Realism I see...
In my Confused Libby town offenders do roughly between 25-35% of their sentence. The county used to blame budgetary reasons, but the big one now is to push "black and brown" people out since they are disproportionately being incarcerated. Ask The County Comish Toni Preckwickle...it's her mission.

If you WAna do some research look up black on black homcides. You will find a vast majority of the offenders are on parole, many for UUW...unlawful use of weapon. Many shooting/homocides in my town would not happen if the bleeding heart judges charged these offenders accordingly and make them do atleast 90% of their bit like they do in the federal system...but what the fuck do I know??

Everything wrong in the world is the fault of Liberals, right? If we could just get rid of Liberals there would be no crime, laws broken, violence, etc. The world would be peachy keen!

Well d'uh
Liberals and the "demografics:

Why mock people because of spelling errors?

So if there were no Liberals we could finally talk brass tacks why crime, violence and broken laws happen.
A Liberal mind suspends itself and questions and wonders and questions and wonders and questions and wonders and questions and won.....

Dirtie_Frank

If this conversation is going to happen we need to bring all the cards to the table. Police need to be held accountable if they make mistakes, it is hard to second guess so that is why we need to implement body cameras. The black community also need to take a positive approach to talking about how come there is no words on when a black person kills another black person. There needs to be a 360 degree reform, every side needs to realize each has a portion of the blame.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Bentleyspop said:

seanwon said:

muskydan said:

Confusing Racism w/ Realism I see...
In my Confused Libby town offenders do roughly between 25-35% of their sentence. The county used to blame budgetary reasons, but the big one now is to push "black and brown" people out since they are disproportionately being incarcerated. Ask The County Comish Toni Preckwickle...it's her mission.

If you WAna do some research look up black on black homcides. You will find a vast majority of the offenders are on parole, many for UUW...unlawful use of weapon. Many shooting/homocides in my town would not happen if the bleeding heart judges charged these offenders accordingly and make them do atleast 90% of their bit like they do in the federal system...but what the fuck do I know??

Everything wrong in the world is the fault of Liberals, right? If we could just get rid of Liberals there would be no crime, laws broken, violence, etc. The world would be peachy keen!

Well d'uh
Liberals and the "demografics:

Why mock people because of spelling errors?

So if there were no Liberals we could finally talk brass tacks why crime, violence and broken laws happen.
A Liberal mind suspends itself and questions and wonders and questions and wonders and questions and wonders and questions and won.....

When you spell something poorly... you don't project yourself as overly intelligent. And when you spell something poorly while attempting to come across as an expert... there's some irony there that is fair game to allude to.

I'm not one of those 'Libbys' spoken of here- check out my stance on the Death Penalty and my defence of many- if not most- police officers in the line of duty on the MT. But I'm also not a 'red neck racist righty' either.

What I can say- sitting in the middle as much as anyone might be able to say they sit in the middle- is that the Liberal mind is ultra valuable to society as is the right. Your poke at them suggests you prefer to continue to treat the recurring symptoms and not look at the cause of the recurring symptoms- this is not a good practice.

A balance of both is necessary. Throw out the extreme views on both sides and we could get down to work, but to mock anyone sitting slightly right or slightly left of themselves is counterproductive and part of the problem.