Terrorist Shooting In Orlando, FL

PJ_Soul

Godfather. said:

myoung321 said:

Godfather. said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

InHiding80 said:

It's pathetic seeing republicans who hate gays just like the Muslims bashing liberals as Muslim lovers after this. What do you bigots care other than scoring political points?

It is this comment that is pathetic and you are off base in referring to people such as myself as bigots. Republicans do not hate gays. That is a caricature that you have created in your mind. There are some, who I happen to disagree with, who would prefer not to be forced to bake a cake out of their own religious beliefs but that is a far cry from hatred. Try to understand the difference between that belief and those of radical Islam. Second, nobody is calling liberals "muslim lovers" either. What is being said is that your progressive need to respect the cultural sensitivities of radical muslims is in direct contradiction to our collective need of protecting the rights of women and the LGBT community. You excuse the beliefs of one community at the expense of the other and in doing so it put us all at greater risk of attack. Smarten up.

NO ONE has ever expressed a need to respect the sensitivities of radical Muslims.

Sharia is radicalism plain and simple yet I've just been told by mRussel that we should be accepting of it. According to him it is similar to being an observant Amish.

Anyways...i think the person in this link has it right. Probably the most powerful thing I have read all day. It is time for progressives to start waking up to the this reality

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/06/12/gay-activist-after-orlando-trump-voter/?singlepage=true

"I'm a Gay Activist, and After Orlando, I Have Switched My Vote to Trump

This is the saddest day of my life. I can't even wrap my mind around the horror of what happened last night in Orlando, where 50 joyful dancing queers were murdered by a religious extremist. I'm sad -- devastated, in my soul -- about that; but I'm also sad that the events of Orlando have shattered my political beliefs, as I can no longer swear allegiance to a peace-love-and-unicorns progressive philosophy that only helps to get my fellow queers killed.

Yes, there is a war between religious fundamentalism and the spirit of love and tolerance. But we progressives here in America still labor under the delusion that the religion we need to combat is Christianity. But that's a strawman opponent, and has been so for decades. Since the 1990s, Christian extremists have essentially lost all their power, and are now toothless nonplayers in the "culture wars." Meanwhile, Muslim extremists, with guns, murder us, and on the left our only response is to bleat about "Islamophobia" and jump through hoops trying to explain away the self-evident religious motivation for the killings.

Oh sure, all year I've been playing the "Bernie or Hillary?" game with all the other default-Democrats in my social and professional circles. But this is no longer some kind of game. Our lives are on the line. Although I voted for Hillary in the primary, I now cringe inwardly with shame and embarrassment at having done so, and in November I will vote for Trump.

Why? Yes, I know that Trump is an a**hole, Trump is a clown, Trump is a motormouth buffoon. You don't have to convince me of that. But he's also the only person saying anything about putting the brakes on Islamic extremism, and in light of what happened last night in Orlando, suddenly that is the only issue that really matters when it comes to the health, well-being and safety of the queer community.

As an aside, Trump has never said anything homophobic, and has always gotten along well with the gay community in New York, so there's that in his favor as well.

I also now realize, with brutal clarity, that in the progressive hierarchy of identity groups, Muslims are above gays. Every pundit and politician -- and that includes President Obama and Hillary Clinton and half the talking heads on TV -- who today have said "We don't know what the shooter's motivation could possibly be!" have revealed to me their true priorities: appeasing Muslims is more important than defending the lives of gay people. Every progressive who runs interference for Islamic murderers is complicit in those murders, and I can no longer be a part of that team.

I'm just sick of it. Sick of the hypocrisy. Sick of the pandering. Sick of the deception.

And you know what makes me angrier still? The fact that I have to hide my identity and remain anonymous in writing this essay. If I outed myself as a Trump supporter, I would be harassed and doxxed and shunned by everyone I know and by the Twitter lynch mobs which up until yesterday I myself led.

I am ashamed. I am angry. And I am sad. I don't want to vote for Trump, but I must. And if you care about the safety of the gay community in America, so must you."

Dumbama and hellary will convince some here that it's a gun issue.....it's not, vote Trump !

Godfather.

Could you have one conversation without using childish names to describe the President of the United States? But then again, your candidate can't, so why should I expect any civility from a follower.

my apologies...no need to carry on this "conversation" have a nice day..!

HAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHAH I'm glad somebody is paying attention, btw he's your president not mine.

Godfather.

Are you serious?

PJ_Soul

slightofjeff said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

Gun laws are not going to stop this sort of shit from happening...your country is a violent country...pretty simple.

Pretty much. Gun laws don't hurt, but it's this culture of guns and violence and us vs them that is the real problem. Long term solutions are needed. This will take generations to fix.

In the meantime, we should probably make purchasing a semi-automatic weapon a little more complicated than picking up milk and eggs at Wal-Mart, no?

The fact a person can be deemed too dangerous to fly, but not too dangerous to legally purchase a weapon that can kill 50 people in a matter of seconds is flabbergasting.

I completely agree. The gun laws are crazy... I just think the main problem is the gun culture, which is the reason so many Americans and the NRA cling to such crazy laws.

my2hands

Just watched Obama own Trump and his disgraceful nonsense...

Dirtie_Frank

If we are going to talk about something let's use the right term

mrussel1

my2hands said:

Just watched Obama own Trump and his disgraceful nonsense...

I know. Obama made the point that we all have made. Calling it 'Islamist' does nothing to change what the professionals that are on the front lines are doing.

bootlegger10

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Is there documentation of events where these AR15 assault rifles actually have been used in self defense successfully? I'm not talking about being used by SWAT/police. If not, then the NRA has no leg to stand on unless they are arguing that they are necessary to guard from attack by a hostile government.

The weapon used wasn't an AR-15. The AR-15 is the great white shark of guns for the anti gun world, always gets the blame. Sure it was created in early 60's and tested on Viet Cong and was found to be a slaughter machine vs human bodies, but dude who sold him the long gun said it was a sig mcx.

The point is that it's not one type of gun that's involved in mass killings. Any sick fuck can carry a few semi auto pistols with big clips and reserves and do severe damage just as easily.

Banning an AR-15 or similar gun isn't going to stop this shit, it may just lead to explosives or some other means towards mass casualties. There's too many guns out there already- and since the AR took the blame for this one I bet 1000's have been sold in the last few days alone.

No more big clips, and excessive penalties for violations is a decent start.

Heroin shouldn't be legal because there are other deadly drugs out there that can be used in its place.

An AR15 does not need to be available to the public, regardless of whether there is another weapon that can be modified to be as deadly. I could buy a an AR15 and learn to use it in 5 minutes, but I would probably blow myself up trying to make a bomb, so I wouldn't use the bomb excuse.

RoleModelsinBlood31

bootlegger10 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Is there documentation of events where these AR15 assault rifles actually have been used in self defense successfully? I'm not talking about being used by SWAT/police. If not, then the NRA has no leg to stand on unless they are arguing that they are necessary to guard from attack by a hostile government.

The weapon used wasn't an AR-15. The AR-15 is the great white shark of guns for the anti gun world, always gets the blame. Sure it was created in early 60's and tested on Viet Cong and was found to be a slaughter machine vs human bodies, but dude who sold him the long gun said it was a sig mcx.

The point is that it's not one type of gun that's involved in mass killings. Any sick fuck can carry a few semi auto pistols with big clips and reserves and do severe damage just as easily.

Banning an AR-15 or similar gun isn't going to stop this shit, it may just lead to explosives or some other means towards mass casualties. There's too many guns out there already- and since the AR took the blame for this one I bet 1000's have been sold in the last few days alone.

No more big clips, and excessive penalties for violations is a decent start.

Heroin shouldn't be legal because there are other deadly drugs out there that can be used in its place.

An AR15 does not need to be available to the public, regardless of whether there is another weapon that can be modified to be as deadly. I could buy a an AR15 and learn to use it in 5 minutes, but I would probably blow myself up trying to make a bomb, so I wouldn't use the bomb excuse.

I agree

polaris_x

we all know chris rock has had the solution all along ...

mrussel1

Well this is an interesting twist and plays more to the self-loathing angle. It's the NY Post, so take it with a grain at this point.

http://nypost.com/2016/06/13/shooter-used-to-visit-orlando-gay-club-use-gay-dating-apps/

Force Of Nature

just heard gun sales have soared today in the US. Is that right? Whats the logic there?

is that so in the split second someone takes to shoot at you, you then take out your gun, take the safety off, find out where the shooting was and fire back without hitting anyone innocent? All before they shoot you?

josevolution

Force Of Nature said:

just heard gun sales have soared today in the US. Is that right? Whats the logic there?

is that so in the split second someone takes to shoot at you, you then take out your gun, take the safety off, find out where the shooting was and fire back without hitting anyone innocent? All before they shoot you?

No it's more to protect themselves for the armies that are coming to take their guns away !!

RiotZact

josevolution said:

Force Of Nature said:

just heard gun sales have soared today in the US. Is that right? Whats the logic there?

is that so in the split second someone takes to shoot at you, you then take out your gun, take the safety off, find out where the shooting was and fire back without hitting anyone innocent? All before they shoot you?

No it's more to protect themselves for the armies that are coming to take their guns away !!

Yeah, the reason gun sales spike after something like this is because everyone thinks it's their last chance to buy guns before the government banns them. Unfortunately I have several relatives that do this, no matter how many times I tell them they're overreacting they still head for the gun shops. It's literally delusional.

Force Of Nature

RiotZact said:

josevolution said:

Force Of Nature said:

just heard gun sales have soared today in the US. Is that right? Whats the logic there?

is that so in the split second someone takes to shoot at you, you then take out your gun, take the safety off, find out where the shooting was and fire back without hitting anyone innocent? All before they shoot you?

No it's more to protect themselves for the armies that are coming to take their guns away !!

Yeah, the reason gun sales spike after something like this is because everyone thinks it's their last chance to buy guns before the government banns them. Unfortunately I have several relatives that do this, no matter how many times I tell them they're overreacting they still head for the gun shops. It's literally delusional.

Wow, crazy logic. Imagine there's a ban on something dangerous and lie threatening product and peoples first thought is to go out and buy more of said product.

eddiec

Force Of Nature said:

RiotZact said:

josevolution said:

Force Of Nature said:

just heard gun sales have soared today in the US. Is that right? Whats the logic there?

is that so in the split second someone takes to shoot at you, you then take out your gun, take the safety off, find out where the shooting was and fire back without hitting anyone innocent? All before they shoot you?

No it's more to protect themselves for the armies that are coming to take their guns away !!

Yeah, the reason gun sales spike after something like this is because everyone thinks it's their last chance to buy guns before the government banns them. Unfortunately I have several relatives that do this, no matter how many times I tell them they're overreacting they still head for the gun shops. It's literally delusional.

Wow, crazy logic. Imagine there's a ban on something dangerous and lie threatening product and peoples first thought is to go out and buy more of said product.

Now you're beginning to see the mentality of a gun crazy population.

Force Of Nature

eddiec said:

Force Of Nature said:

RiotZact said:

josevolution said:

Force Of Nature said:

just heard gun sales have soared today in the US. Is that right? Whats the logic there?

is that so in the split second someone takes to shoot at you, you then take out your gun, take the safety off, find out where the shooting was and fire back without hitting anyone innocent? All before they shoot you?

No it's more to protect themselves for the armies that are coming to take their guns away !!

Yeah, the reason gun sales spike after something like this is because everyone thinks it's their last chance to buy guns before the government banns them. Unfortunately I have several relatives that do this, no matter how many times I tell them they're overreacting they still head for the gun shops. It's literally delusional.

Wow, crazy logic. Imagine there's a ban on something dangerous and lie threatening product and peoples first thought is to go out and buy more of said product.

Now you're beginning to see the mentality of a gun crazy population.

Crazy. Over here in the UK we have strict gun laws and by some really weird coincidence less gun crime.

jerparker20

Force Of Nature said:

RiotZact said:

josevolution said:

Force Of Nature said:

just heard gun sales have soared today in the US. Is that right? Whats the logic there?

is that so in the split second someone takes to shoot at you, you then take out your gun, take the safety off, find out where the shooting was and fire back without hitting anyone innocent? All before they shoot you?

No it's more to protect themselves for the armies that are coming to take their guns away !!

Yeah, the reason gun sales spike after something like this is because everyone thinks it's their last chance to buy guns before the government banns them. Unfortunately I have several relatives that do this, no matter how many times I tell them they're overreacting they still head for the gun shops. It's literally delusional.

Wow, crazy logic. Imagine there's a ban on something dangerous and lie threatening product and peoples first thought is to go out and buy more of said product.

I have an uncle like this. He owns 3 AR-15s, at least a dozen handguns, a dozen rifles of varying calibers, and thousands of rounds of ammo. Never leaves home without his pistol holstered to his hip. Truely believes that Obama himself is going to come to his house and try to take his guns away.

When I mentioned that I don't keep guns in my house (I have no problems with hunting rifles/shotguns. My wife is uncomfortable with the idea of a gun in the house.) he went on a rant about how I was inviting terror into my home and blah, blah, blah... needless to say he didn't approve. I sleep just fine at night.

OffSheGoes35

polaris_x said:

we all know chris rock has had the solution all along ...

I agree with you.
-Use headphones if at work.-
https://youtu.be/LWjhTWv9eUs

mcgruff10

I like it a lot: The top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee says he wants to explore the potential for a system that would trigger an alert when someone who was previously on a terrorism watch list wants to buy a gun.

Rep. Adam Schiff of California says an alert would allow law enforcement officials to consider anew whether an investigation ought to be reopened to determine whether the person who had expressed "radical thoughts is at the point of taking those into action."

He spoke with reporters following a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill by Obama administration officials about the investigation into the Orlando gunman.

Schiff declined to provide details about the briefing conducted by FBI Director James Comey and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson. But Schiff did say there is no clear answer yet on whether there were additional factors aside an allegiance to Islamic State militants that motivated the gunman, Omar Mateen.

Rep. Mac Thornberry, the Texas Republican who chairs the House Armed Services Committee, said investigators are looking into everything that may have motivated the gunman.

RoleModelsinBlood31

mcgruff10 said:

I like it a lot: The top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee says he wants to explore the potential for a system that would trigger an alert when someone who was previously on a terrorism watch list wants to buy a gun.

Rep. Adam Schiff of California says an alert would allow law enforcement officials to consider anew whether an investigation ought to be reopened to determine whether the person who had expressed "radical thoughts is at the point of taking those into action."

He spoke with reporters following a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill by Obama administration officials about the investigation into the Orlando gunman.

Schiff declined to provide details about the briefing conducted by FBI Director James Comey and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson. But Schiff did say there is no clear answer yet on whether there were additional factors aside an allegiance to Islamic State militants that motivated the gunman, Omar Mateen.

Rep. Mac Thornberry, the Texas Republican who chairs the House Armed Services Committee, said investigators are looking into everything that may have motivated the gunman.

I agree with it too but it definitely contradicts our basic rights of innocent until proven guilty, doesn't it? Not that someone who's been on a terrorist watch should really enjoy basic freedoms, but just saying.

mcgruff10

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mcgruff10 said:

I like it a lot: The top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee says he wants to explore the potential for a system that would trigger an alert when someone who was previously on a terrorism watch list wants to buy a gun.

Rep. Adam Schiff of California says an alert would allow law enforcement officials to consider anew whether an investigation ought to be reopened to determine whether the person who had expressed "radical thoughts is at the point of taking those into action."

He spoke with reporters following a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill by Obama administration officials about the investigation into the Orlando gunman.

Schiff declined to provide details about the briefing conducted by FBI Director James Comey and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson. But Schiff did say there is no clear answer yet on whether there were additional factors aside an allegiance to Islamic State militants that motivated the gunman, Omar Mateen.

Rep. Mac Thornberry, the Texas Republican who chairs the House Armed Services Committee, said investigators are looking into everything that may have motivated the gunman.

I agree with it too but it definitely contradicts our basic rights of innocent until proven guilty, doesn't it? Not that someone who's been on a terrorist watch should really enjoy basic freedoms, but just saying.

yeah it's definitely a slippery slope but it's not a bad idea. terrorists don't deserve the protection of our constitution.