Terrorist Shooting In Orlando, FL

lukin2006

I'm amazed at how quickly this thread went a terror attack thread to who might be the greatest heavy weight fighter...to how we should properly address people. My vote for greatest heavy weight, Rocky Marciano. I don't know how we can judge if Ali was the greatest, he left an awful lot of fighters hand around and hit him ... I assume most fighters want the fight over asap.

Free

rgambs said:

g under p said:

Peace

Love it.
I grew up in gun culture and it sickens me, it is a pathetic, immature, masturbatory obsession and I say that with absolute conviction as someone who loves several gun strokers dearly.
It's an infantile hobby that is centered around delusions of the glorification of violence, an instinctual desire for destruction, and the obvious phallic relation. It's worse than American infantile obsessions with cars or sports because it results in so many unnecessary deaths.
I dont give a shit about collectors of ANYTHING (pj junk included), but gun collectors in particular mean nothing to me.

100% agreed.

Gern Blansten

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/omar-mateen-s-wife-tried-talk-him-out-orlando-attack-n592051?cid=sm_fb_msnbc

wow

Maybe he was just scoping the joint out for a mass killing?

rgambs

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Semi auto handguns carried by law enforcement and civilians can fire off 20 rounds in a minute. This dude's sig mcx (not actually an ar-15, though media tried to say it was) wasn't even rigged for spurts or auto, it just had a big clip. It's hard to differentiate an assault weapon from a non-assault weapon with a lot of these weapons.

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Semi auto handguns carried by law enforcement and civilians can fire off 20 rounds in a minute. This dude's sig mcx (not actually an ar-15, though media tried to say it was) wasn't even rigged for spurts or auto, it just had a big clip. It's hard to differentiate an assault weapon from a non-assault weapon with a lot of these weapons.

That would be a great place to start with the banhammer.

There is no legitimate need for more than 15 rounds, and magazines which switch out easily should be limited much lower, at 5 or so.

HughFreakingDillon

so let's just say the US actually does limit the legal availability of these types of firearms to its citizens. how do you go about keeping them out of the hands of criminals? stiff sentencing? like 10 years first time possession, no exceptions? tie the hands of the judges so they can't incur leniency if the offender is a fast white swimmer?

OffSheGoes35

mrussel1 said:

g under p said:

OffSheGoes35 said:

mrussel1 said:

Godfather. said:

josevolution said:

Hey that's why he's the GODFATHER it's only his kind that matters to him ga ha ha Ali was not only the greatest boxer he was a giant of a human being more class on his pinky than what the GF has in his whole body ..

good lord you are confused.....Rocky Marciano is the greatest fighter of all time, no loses and most fights ended in K.O, Mike Tyson was a better fighter than clay as well. and why don't you take a moment to tell me what or who is "my kind" I think you'd surprised to know whom I conceder a friend, my list is short but solid.

Godfather.

"Every time I talk about boxing, some white man gotta pull Rocky Marciano out of his ass."

Lol.....you gotta watch the whole scene....

http://youtu.be/-R1h2Df3Nrc

Peace

I'm glad we can have some levity on this post. These scenes were just friggin' hilarious. I never get sick of the movie. Classic.

Yes, all of the scenes were hilarious! Really liked the Joe Louis/Rocky Marciano discussion.
Thanks for posting the video, g under p! That was great.

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

so let's just say the US actually does limit the legal availability of these types of firearms to its citizens. how do you go about keeping them out of the hands of criminals? stiff sentencing? like 10 years first time possession, no exceptions? tie the hands of the judges so they can't incur leniency if the offender is a fast white swimmer?

Registration is key....license just like a vehicle. Sales require reporting just like a vehicle or jetski.

Database to prevent criminals from purchasing at point of registration.

In a sense the infrastructure is already in place to do this (via local motor vehicle registration offices...really no need to set up a separate agency)

bootlegger10

Is there documentation of events where these AR15 assault rifles actually have been used in self defense successfully? I'm not talking about being used by SWAT/police. If not, then the NRA has no leg to stand on unless they are arguing that they are necessary to guard from attack by a hostile government.

RoleModelsinBlood31

rgambs said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Semi auto handguns carried by law enforcement and civilians can fire off 20 rounds in a minute. This dude's sig mcx (not actually an ar-15, though media tried to say it was) wasn't even rigged for spurts or auto, it just had a big clip. It's hard to differentiate an assault weapon from a non-assault weapon with a lot of these weapons.

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Semi auto handguns carried by law enforcement and civilians can fire off 20 rounds in a minute. This dude's sig mcx (not actually an ar-15, though media tried to say it was) wasn't even rigged for spurts or auto, it just had a big clip. It's hard to differentiate an assault weapon from a non-assault weapon with a lot of these weapons.

That would be a great place to start with the banhammer.

There is no legitimate need for more than 15 rounds, and magazines which switch out easily should be limited much lower, at 5 or so.

Yep, I agree with the 30 round clips thing. No one needs that to kill a deer.

brianlux

g under p said:

Wow we have fallen to an all time low on A Moving Train....check that SOME here have certainly have done so. Unbelievable!

Peace

RoleModelsinBlood31

bootlegger10 said:

Is there documentation of events where these AR15 assault rifles actually have been used in self defense successfully? I'm not talking about being used by SWAT/police. If not, then the NRA has no leg to stand on unless they are arguing that they are necessary to guard from attack by a hostile government.

The weapon used wasn't an AR-15. The AR-15 is the great white shark of guns for the anti gun world, always gets the blame. Sure it was created in early 60's and tested on Viet Cong and was found to be a slaughter machine vs human bodies, but dude who sold him the long gun said it was a sig mcx.

The point is that it's not one type of gun that's involved in mass killings. Any sick fuck can carry a few semi auto pistols with big clips and reserves and do severe damage just as easily.

Banning an AR-15 or similar gun isn't going to stop this shit, it may just lead to explosives or some other means towards mass casualties. There's too many guns out there already- and since the AR took the blame for this one I bet 1000's have been sold in the last few days alone.

No more big clips, and excessive penalties for violations is a decent start.

my2hands

https://youtu.be/eUwJ8WcZ6RY

mrussel1

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

rgambs said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Semi auto handguns carried by law enforcement and civilians can fire off 20 rounds in a minute. This dude's sig mcx (not actually an ar-15, though media tried to say it was) wasn't even rigged for spurts or auto, it just had a big clip. It's hard to differentiate an assault weapon from a non-assault weapon with a lot of these weapons.

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Semi auto handguns carried by law enforcement and civilians can fire off 20 rounds in a minute. This dude's sig mcx (not actually an ar-15, though media tried to say it was) wasn't even rigged for spurts or auto, it just had a big clip. It's hard to differentiate an assault weapon from a non-assault weapon with a lot of these weapons.

That would be a great place to start with the banhammer.

There is no legitimate need for more than 15 rounds, and magazines which switch out easily should be limited much lower, at 5 or so.

Yep, I agree with the 30 round clips thing. No one needs that to kill a deer.

My dad was pretty sure Red Dawn was coming to a town near us. When he died, we found cases of bullets stashed everywhere. I probably found, easily, 400 boxes of bullets. No wonder we grew up dirt poor. My brother and I went to throw away an old school TV console that he used as a book case. It weighed 400 lbs. We tore out the bottom and found he had hollowed it out and another 100 boxes were stashed there.
Point is, there's lots of people like him out there. There are no limits, you can never have enough. We just have to outvote them somehow.

RoleModelsinBlood31

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

rgambs said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Semi auto handguns carried by law enforcement and civilians can fire off 20 rounds in a minute. This dude's sig mcx (not actually an ar-15, though media tried to say it was) wasn't even rigged for spurts or auto, it just had a big clip. It's hard to differentiate an assault weapon from a non-assault weapon with a lot of these weapons.

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Instead of rushing to ban guns, can we talk about the fact that the father of the shooter was a god damn Taliban supporter?

Every single fucking time it has to be something besides the gun. There is a common demoniator in every one of these massacres.

Ding ding ding

Yep. A gun that can fire even just 20 rounds in a minute shouldn't be possessed by civilians. For any reason. If you like target practice or whatever...too bad. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch.

Semi auto handguns carried by law enforcement and civilians can fire off 20 rounds in a minute. This dude's sig mcx (not actually an ar-15, though media tried to say it was) wasn't even rigged for spurts or auto, it just had a big clip. It's hard to differentiate an assault weapon from a non-assault weapon with a lot of these weapons.

That would be a great place to start with the banhammer.

There is no legitimate need for more than 15 rounds, and magazines which switch out easily should be limited much lower, at 5 or so.

Yep, I agree with the 30 round clips thing. No one needs that to kill a deer.

My dad was pretty sure Red Dawn was coming to a town near us. When he died, we found cases of bullets stashed everywhere. I probably found, easily, 400 boxes of bullets. No wonder we grew up dirt poor. My brother and I went to throw away an old school TV console that he used as a book case. It weighed 400 lbs. We tore out the bottom and found he had hollowed it out and another 100 boxes were stashed there.
Point is, there's lots of people like him out there. There are no limits, you can never have enough. We just have to outvote them somehow.

Damn what a story that's crazy.

There's a dude near here outside of Austin that a friend a I drove by one afternoon on a country road and waved. He waved us down and asked us if we wanted to see what he was working on down this old dirt road behind him. We laughed and said sure- jumped out of his truck and walked down this dudes driveway. He had a basement dug for his new house and it was already cemented in (in tx they don't have basements though, it's too rocky and too expensive). He walked us down this wooden staircase and we realized it wasn't a basement at all but a bunker. He had vaults for ammo, storerooms for canned food, and a hidden area like a safe room or something where he could lock himself in and hide. Fucking insane.

lukin2006

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so let's just say the US actually does limit the legal availability of these types of firearms to its citizens. how do you go about keeping them out of the hands of criminals? stiff sentencing? like 10 years first time possession, no exceptions? tie the hands of the judges so they can't incur leniency if the offender is a fast white swimmer?

Registration is key....license just like a vehicle. Sales require reporting just like a vehicle or jetski.

Database to prevent criminals from purchasing at point of registration.

In a sense the infrastructure is already in place to do this (via local motor vehicle registration offices...really no need to set up a separate agency)

We tried that here in Canada with a long gun registry ... Long since scrapped ... Cost were in the billions ... What I understand lead to high cost was the charging of fees to register, a lot of gun owners weren't registering so they waved the fees and cost sky rocketed...not as easy to enforce as car registration.

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so let's just say the US actually does limit the legal availability of these types of firearms to its citizens. how do you go about keeping them out of the hands of criminals? stiff sentencing? like 10 years first time possession, no exceptions? tie the hands of the judges so they can't incur leniency if the offender is a fast white swimmer?

Registration is key....license just like a vehicle. Sales require reporting just like a vehicle or jetski.

Database to prevent criminals from purchasing at point of registration.

In a sense the infrastructure is already in place to do this (via local motor vehicle registration offices...really no need to set up a separate agency)

That does nothing to keep out of the hands of criminals. all that does is make sure we know who committed a crime with a previously legally registered firearm. I'm talking about how to keep as many as possible off the black market.

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so let's just say the US actually does limit the legal availability of these types of firearms to its citizens. how do you go about keeping them out of the hands of criminals? stiff sentencing? like 10 years first time possession, no exceptions? tie the hands of the judges so they can't incur leniency if the offender is a fast white swimmer?

Registration is key....license just like a vehicle. Sales require reporting just like a vehicle or jetski.

Database to prevent criminals from purchasing at point of registration.

In a sense the infrastructure is already in place to do this (via local motor vehicle registration offices...really no need to set up a separate agency)

That does nothing to keep out of the hands of criminals. all that does is make sure we know who committed a crime with a previously legally registered firearm. I'm talking about how to keep as many as possible off the black market.

I think that would do that...you say it does "nothing" but registration is 100x further than what we are doing now.

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so let's just say the US actually does limit the legal availability of these types of firearms to its citizens. how do you go about keeping them out of the hands of criminals? stiff sentencing? like 10 years first time possession, no exceptions? tie the hands of the judges so they can't incur leniency if the offender is a fast white swimmer?

Registration is key....license just like a vehicle. Sales require reporting just like a vehicle or jetski.

Database to prevent criminals from purchasing at point of registration.

In a sense the infrastructure is already in place to do this (via local motor vehicle registration offices...really no need to set up a separate agency)

That does nothing to keep out of the hands of criminals. all that does is make sure we know who committed a crime with a previously legally registered firearm. I'm talking about how to keep as many as possible off the black market.

I think that would do that...you say it does "nothing" but registration is 100x further than what we are doing now.

true, saying it would nothing is a stretch. but I still think it would be ineffectual at best. gang bangers are not going to register the guns they already have, nor are they going to register the ones they get on the black market. when you make something illegal or more expense/harder to get, you create a black market. how do you curb that issue?

jeffbr

lukin2006 said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so let's just say the US actually does limit the legal availability of these types of firearms to its citizens. how do you go about keeping them out of the hands of criminals? stiff sentencing? like 10 years first time possession, no exceptions? tie the hands of the judges so they can't incur leniency if the offender is a fast white swimmer?

Registration is key....license just like a vehicle. Sales require reporting just like a vehicle or jetski.

Database to prevent criminals from purchasing at point of registration.

In a sense the infrastructure is already in place to do this (via local motor vehicle registration offices...really no need to set up a separate agency)

We tried that here in Canada with a long gun registry ... Long since scrapped ... Cost were in the billions ... What I understand lead to high cost was the charging of fees to register, a lot of gun owners weren't registering so they waved the fees and cost sky rocketed...not as easy to enforce as car registration.

Yeah, that is tough to enforce. With a car, you drive it out in public and the tabs are clearly visible showing that it is current in its registration. With guns, how can you know? I have a couple of rifles I inherited, and a couple of rifles I bought decades ago when I used to occasionally hunt. Those guns haven't seen the light of day for years and years (except when I moved). I'm pretty sure that if we were to have some sort of gun registration program implemented, mine would not be registered, likely out of sheer laziness, especially if there was a cost involved. I don't plan on buying or selling any other guns, but I think going forward any new sales or transfers could be registered and tracked.The cows have already left the barn for existing firearms out there unless someone is proposing a door-to-door search for compliance.

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so let's just say the US actually does limit the legal availability of these types of firearms to its citizens. how do you go about keeping them out of the hands of criminals? stiff sentencing? like 10 years first time possession, no exceptions? tie the hands of the judges so they can't incur leniency if the offender is a fast white swimmer?

Registration is key....license just like a vehicle. Sales require reporting just like a vehicle or jetski.

Database to prevent criminals from purchasing at point of registration.

In a sense the infrastructure is already in place to do this (via local motor vehicle registration offices...really no need to set up a separate agency)

That does nothing to keep out of the hands of criminals. all that does is make sure we know who committed a crime with a previously legally registered firearm. I'm talking about how to keep as many as possible off the black market.

I think that would do that...you say it does "nothing" but registration is 100x further than what we are doing now.

true, saying it would nothing is a stretch. but I still think it would be ineffectual at best. gang bangers are not going to register the guns they already have, nor are they going to register the ones they get on the black market. when you make something illegal or more expense/harder to get, you create a black market. how do you curb that issue?

right, there would definitely be a lag due to the enormous amount of weapons already in use

Gun buy backs programs are probably a key part...gang bangers can turn guns into cash